the position you correctly said yes, it is conditional on the state of war, definitely no one even doubts that this is the right decision because you people simply could not pay the high price and also one economic situation and well, the price will be higher by the way about saving electricity, this is also if if the price were higher, then people would, i think, save more than yes yes before that well, but this culture is a manufactured culture, it is for this . as you stick the card in the counter or, well, the prices are such that the savings happen automatically, otherwise you won’t eat what panova please tell me, uh, recently, and it became like this, i would even say that panic swept through social networks, this is when the mayor of kyiv, mr. klitschko, said that in in the event of a blackout, it means 3 million, how can the people of kyiv be evacuated? i understand that he just named one of the options, so everyone got terribly excited about that, someone there, someone needed carbolov, someone there wrote on the

networks and so on, and my following is related to this the question is, which option can be the worst, the option is simply 0 a and what to do in such a case, based on the analysis of the rocket shots there that were fired there from october 10 to today, eh, the russians attack from time to time, eh, in the same substation , yes there are already examples of five to six to seven arrivals of the same substations, they are very well oriented to our energy system and understand how vitally important this or that substation is for the energy system , and they target all substations again and again and again. by the way, why do they they navigate so well because the energy system was still built, roughly speaking, during soviet times, they have, i don’t know, maps , coordinates, i think they are guided

by energy experts, they actually had enough time there, and their energy experts are most likely consulting, i’m sure more and more i am sure that their energy experts are advising their military on targeting in order to cause damage. and if these rocket attacks continue and continue, that is a risk. yes, we see that the central part of ukraine is being tried by the cities there kyiv, kyiv oblast, cherkassy, ​​zhytomyr oblast, which border the city of kyiv and from kyiv oblast. they are trying to leave without electricity, this is also a psychological effect, as they wanted to take kyiv in the first three days, and thus they want to leave the city of kyiv, the capital, without light and show their propagandists on their russian tv channels how dark everything is, how bad things are for them without water, without light, without anything , such a scenario is possible for us yes, but we understand that today our energy workers and our forces

the air defense and our military also understand this and will do everything possible to protect the sky and protect these objects, and returning to your previous question about security, er, about security , precisely for our energies, there is some option, i think that we definitely it is necessary to review the security system of our nuclear power plants of our ukrenergo substations, because we see on the example of the zaporozhian nuclear power plant in energodar that , in principle, the russians entered the territory of the station quickly enough, we must take it out this is a lesson and we must revise the legislation and the safety system of our nuclear power plants because we know that after the zaporozhye nuclear power plant they went very quickly to the south ukrainian nuclear power plant and thanks to the heroic actions of our military and our

heroes who prevented them from actually reaching this station, but they had a plan like this, we understand that today they are considering the west from the side of belarus to rivne and used exactly meters to literally return to the security system with the involvement of specialists i know that today already military institutes are developing such projects and we need to protect the protection of our ukrenergo substations in the same way, because today they are located there in a clear field under a beautiful european green grid and access to them is not necessarily possible only with missiles, we understand that there was force, it is possible in according to the principle of manpower, we can always be saboteurs, so we must thoroughly review our security system so that the city of kyiv and all other ukrainian cities are with light, because we understand that the enemy and after victory, he will try for us for another time

absolutely, and still, gentlemen, god forbid the saboteurs managed to do something there, kyiv means they turned off the lights, what actions could there be, what could be the plans, what to do with the people, well, look, i understand what the question is. this is a question because the same if the mayor of kyiv when he spoke about it like that, then other mayors there, the mayor of ivano-frankivsk, for example, he directly called out and said that people are leaving because it will be bad, there will be a hard winter, and this is all from the dtek, which of the managers is this said and it caused which in fact, such a resonance was very good yes the manager by the way of the company detect yes if tymchenko said about it in one of the interviews with the bbc by the way it is known to the world and he said that it is possible for people to leave like that, that is, he i didn’t talk about the fact that there is such an emergency situation, but in fact, if the recommendation sounds and it actually sounds in the sense that people still hear the conversation of the troublemaker, so yes, there is such a word about evacuation, and they really ask themselves questions and what to do i.e. the question is not that it is from some company or surname that should have said it, the question should

really be the position of the state of the state authorities. so we do in such a case because in fact it is very serious indeed that what is black or blakalot some in europe are called those even a power outage there for 24-48 hours, which can happen in our country, but on the other hand, they really care . many days yes, well, in some territory, we are talking about the whole state, yes, that is, i would divide the western, central-eastern, and the southern region, yes, and everything will depend on, well , on the power of the strikes . this is the only such possibility. so far, it is possible to immediately try to destroy and destroy, first of all, the actual infrastructure that provides electricity from nuclear power plants, because we have seen. by the way, this is the last blow, which was so he praised the fact that even the megatheser drew attention to the fact that one block of the rivne and

khmelnytsky npps stopped, and by the way, this led to a shortage of electricity in this case, even a shortage, not a shortage of transmission capacities, but also generation, namely generation yes yes that is 60% . even more, i think that the ac will be processed for a year, that is, this is the moment that can really lead to this and then, of course, the question of evacuation arises. you know, psychological, yes, psychological, it can apply to any city, for example, you understand any other west of ukraine and in the south, and this is the problem that such a mass evacuation, i will honestly say , it is not possible, and people also understand this, and that is why, for example, again, or is it a person makes a choice so, for example, how do we, those people we mentioned, do they recommend it, or who has the opportunity, that is, but if there is an opportunity to go to the family, to relatives, please fill in, then they are physically yes physically not all of them no not physically sorry materially yes materially not all psychologically sometimes and physically it is different and physically so older people are sick, for example yes, that is, i even

saw it there if i think there different statements could be made like that well, i only saw that boyka made statements there from the platform for life, yes, they stated about the fact that it is impossible to fully implement it, that is, i think that all the deputies there will sign up to it because it is impossible to lead people to the fact that they took and took out 3 million. yes, for example, i am silent about the sick children there, after all, the hospital is different different situations, different people, different songs, you know what to say , what if it should be implemented, so people should understand. so, this is a way out of the situation, it is wrong, you have to fight to prevent this from happening, because even if there is a power outage there for a certain time, there are monsters there 24 hours 48 hours three days four days yes, even points that are created like this in cities i know in villages it is still how it is really administratively done and it is correct they exist they exist so it will be difficult that is, people will to unite most likely also because we saw the example of lviv there when i was there and he also said that in every house there should be created such a world is his yes it is right but

again, i will tell you such a moment actually translate all people responsibility this is not possible because a person is physically what we say , he is limited and material in his capabilities , that is, after all, there is a state, a person is oriented towards the state even in conditions of war. everyone understands that war, martial law - it is difficult, everything is not foreseen yes, i also went during the last one, all anxiety , all your plans change and you don't know anything what is happening, and all people understand this and they are ready for this, you know, psychologically, but actually physically and materially. yes, for example, all this will be difficult for them to bear that's why i'm repeating myself here, if the state should take such a position, what should be done anyway, well, in addition to what has already been done, the repeated points are different there and purchased generators are made there in schools, kindergartens, where people can be. just a million people there there will not be several thousand people, well , 10,000 people, well, 100,000 people ago. this is an open question and it is very important, and this is what we were talking about. i'm only waiting when the bumblebee is now the minister. he is one of the first. by the way,

he honestly told one of the interviews, he said what he says . in the absence of a coach, their gas and you cry. this is also a very, very cool thesis, we talked and listed theses or those things to which the international community reacts and our partners react to the migrant crisis, which they also passed several years ago. if we talk about the future, on november 13, the news arrived, and it personally affected me i don’t even know, i amused you , but at least i didn’t leave you indifferent, i’ll say. so clichéd on november 13. at the un climate conference, it means that the special representative of the us president on climate issues is john kerry and the minister of energy of ukraine, and they said about the initiation of a pilot project with construction in ukraine well, for sure one small modular reactor - this is a new chip in energy, so to speak, and relatively new well, to what extent

can this be the beginning of a new energy system? let's say whether it has the right to exist and whether it can do it our energy system is more flexible and less vulnerable here, it is difficult to say now. i think to make some predictions as to how vulnerable or less vulnerable it can be, and the construction of even such small characters requires a certain amount of time. it is definitely not possible to do it tomorrow morning and give power from it today, the situation is such that, first of all, we still have the energy problem there. well, i would divide the energy problem there into several factors. the first is that today 6 nuclear power units of the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant are not working. and this is 6,000 mw, which is not supplied to our system today. today, we have a deficit during peak hours of load, this is the morning and evening peaks of about 2.5 thousand met. we can still cover about 700-800 mw

from our nuclear power plants, which today are working, but our energy workers need to complete the emergency works that took place after the last shelling, but this still does not cover the full deficit, the deficit is today, uh, the thermal power plants are also already almost all working, except for zmiivska, zmiivska was also hit by rockets . and today our energy workers are working there for that to start this thermoelectric power station and the question is that we do not have enough power there, as of now, in the winter period, provided that as soon as our military can release the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, we had enough generating capacity even today, and we could still export electricity because the industry fell , the main industry was a consumer of electricity , and we may have a

surplus. to build it, relatively speaking, it actually requires a new system, it takes years to build it, and it requires huge funds, huge capital investments. i have certain doubts about what we see. how difficult it is to get international aid both in the military and humanitarian direction and in the financial direction because we need to close the hole in the budget that exists today and it is large enough to date, for today it is about five billion dollars per month and to build a new power system our partners are ready there to finance everything, i am certain. i have doubts why such a statement was made. i think it is about the fact that the americans, of course, want their products with dead money and to sell their products, but in fact we in ukraine also have the company does not want to voice them, which they can and they

have design sketches for the production of these modular reactors in ukraine, and we , subject to financing, can build them ourselves here, and not primarily the question of funding is about e-e financial assistance for the reconstruction of ukraine we often touch on this topic that it is also not profitable for the west to simply give money, you give them loans for the purchase of your own products, this is logical. look, in the conditions of war, they showed themselves. well, in principle, on the one hand, they generated and continue to generate energy. as far as i understand, but on the other hand , they showed themselves as objects of increased danger , they were designed as such, they were always strategic objects and so on. do we have what should we do, we have them, i don't know, buy them in the ground, put anti-aircraft defenses near them, are there any options, do we have

solutions to secure them, well, this continues the theme of these new modular characters, so if it really takes them often, you know how i bought a generator tomorrow and brought it, how do you use it, no, no, the device is very important, with which two wires, that is, this is only the development stage, and we can in peacetime and even in wartime, we can talk about what we can do in the future. yes, these are the plans that is, these are good ideas , they are being developed in our world, here in romania, so they too have started only the actually theoretical, i.e. scientific study of this issue of development. really, the key issue is not just to take the technology and even buy it somewhere, it is ready to produce it better here, that is, and really give work to those people who are here in ukraine, uh, but here is an interesting moment . that is why they exist at all, this idea, that is, because they are maneuverable, they are small, they it is possible to place let's say this in ukraine, this is roughly speaking, look , today we have 9 without zaporozhian asia

. mw yes, consider it necessary to install 90 units of these small units. for example, if turbines are installed. the question is that, for example, large nuclear power plants are easier to operate and balance with them. that is, this is also a big question, if it is just somewhere future management is a very difficult issue in europe, yes, in europe they also do not, well, there are such blocks, different gas fuel oil plants, yes, and there are boilers that can maneuver. you know to put your own if it is meant if it is implemented create and then if you get a huge problem on your head, large objects are still being implemented in the world today because there are a thousand - 1,200 - 1,400 megawatt units, all of them are maneuverable, so in yes , we can move in this direction, but it is also a question of who will give us money, i am worried about technology, then they will give us money, it is

tens of billions of dollars, for example , we have green technologies and so on, we are not engaged in the development of blocks, that is, in fact literally three companies in the world are engaged in them, because including russia, their seedlings . you also asked to bury the nuclear power plant, what should i do there, not turn it into a commodity in my hands, it is still based on the example of the zaporizhzhia npp. yes, these are the questions, everyone understood that there is a high level of protection, yes, yes, of course, you know the human factor, it can to cause damage anywhere and for any reason, but in principle there is still a high level of protection in rivne, as well as in khmelnytskyi, south ukrainian , but let's put it this way. if we talk about protecting them from some external influence , then, in addition to strengthening military protection, there is air defense there is the creation of substations, for example, they cover them with blocks, for example, with concrete, well, this is such an option, but what can we

use more? destructive, absolutely yes, if the mechanism. that is, we cannot protect ourselves from this, that is why this moment is so purely if. well, the military already has to be considered in this way. well, we literally have 5 minutes left . may the future of ukrainian energy industry look like in general. what kind of potential do we have? well, we have atomic power plants, it is possible to optimize their work and after the end of the war, fix it, god forbid that nothing be destroyed. and what else, i don’t know. why the energy potential of ukraine, we exported energy to the european union before the war, we exported energy to the european union until recently, we can continue this further. let me ask you to answer, well, we definitely have the potential under the condition of our victory, it is inevitable and it

will be under the condition peace and stable operation of our power system, we can be a reliable partner of the european union in terms of exporting electricity to europe, we can definitely complete the third and fourth units of the khmelnytskyi nuclear power plant, and there are definitely such plans in state companies, even energoatom, we can and should, we have projects for the completion of the fifth, sixth, and seventh blocks of the dniester gas station, we have many projects that have already passed examinations , precisely for hydro energy, which can also provide additional capacity, and this is precisely the capacity that we need them in the morning and evening peak hours, we can use them to regulate that is why we can be a reliable partner of the european union to export electricity to europe and earn quite good money from it, and we can

to be a reliable partner for ourselves, because after the war, we are starting to establish its economic growth there and so on, and to set up shop here . i hope there will be some kind of investment. it is possible to build enterprises there. to what extent? room for growth , this is such a strange question, it is possible to increase capacity indefinitely or not. is there any such conditional ceiling? well, if you have a consumer, then you can limit it conditionally, well conditionally infinitely, so you can to decide, that is, the amount of electricity is what mr. serhiy said, so it is, and it is balanced, the generated electricity will consume the electricity, that is, if you have a consumer, we had well, in this village, export, it really is today, export, yes, it is definitely that, what is it in the hands, it can be used under the condition , again, that zaporizhzhia exists, yes. if she worked as she worked here until august, it could be used both for the population and

for export, but if we speak from the point of view if you really know the efficiency of the state's development, then of course it is better to build energy-intensive enterprises, which, for example, consume a lot of electricity, yes, they are economical in the world today, they are economical, yes, but they consume a lot, so they produce products, export, sell, earn money for the state, but in principle, this is the only option, but it is also if, of course, the plan for real post-war reconstruction was implemented, including, first of all, industry, so not just houses for people, it is necessary first of all, absolutely industrial, precisely so that people can work. therefore , energy now. yes, and energy then, yes, then there is also a prospect there and the construction of new blocks. but it is one of those in the world today that is the most attention is now being returned against the background of the fact that the energy source is a separate sector, it is a separate direction. yes , but this is exactly the kind of generation that is stable and basic, which they call yes, this is a great prospect and we have

the objects are on their base, it can be developed. let 's say there is one more important point, please, which politicians often don't want to talk about because it's ratings. state companies are nike , energoatom and ukrhydroenergo, a colossal financial burden is placed on their shoulders, both companies, well, like energoatom, more than 80 billion hryvnias, ukrhydroenergo more than 16 billion hryvnias per year. these two state companies subsidize of ukrainians, they balance their financial situation by selling electricity to legal entities, but today we understand that industry consumes little and buys little, and the burden on these two companies becomes even greater due to the imposition

of special duties on these two state companies, that is, they bear tariffs uh, they bear uh, huge losses, we have to say frankly that those people who do not have the opportunity to pay there with an additional tariff, they should receive a targeted subsidy, and that part of the population who can pay by market tariff in order for energy companies to suffer colossal losses today, they do not bear losses after missile attacks and for something it is necessary to rebuild everything. how much to count on international partners is all well and good, but we must first of all count on ourselves and we must pay e- is there a fair price so that today an energy company or for which energoatom or ukrhydro or ukrenergo could pay a premium to its employee who works 24 hours per second communicating today in such weather and risking life but for

this there must be an honest approach to the pricing of electricity prices, we understand that we need to survive this winter and come back to this issue, gentlemen, thank you for the conversation and the meanings are very interesting. i think we will continue this conversation. because at the end we got a very very interesting, very interesting thesis, but in any case, for now, the time is up, thank you. and i would like to remind you that today we had two absolutely wonderful interlocutors: serhii nagornyak , people's deputy, member of the committee on energy and housing and communal services and yuriy korolchuk, an expert at the institute of energy research. thank you, gentlemen, you watched the column, we talked about energy, and if it surprises you, look now , then it means that you have light. of course, our northern neighbor and at the same time the aggressor country wants us it can deprive us, of course, it can

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