that is, i am a supporter of the fact that ukrainians as a full-fledged, full-scale nation. we must include everyone who was born on the territory of ukraine, including those mentioned, including those whose activities we are . we can and must deny what is not acceptable for us, but we must understand that this is part of our stories well, for example, it is not pleasant there, he perverts with a mass of murderers, he shot several dozen people. and what he perverted does not become the french or the germans. that is, it is part of our unfortunate history, and so it is with writers political figures that i mentioned , it referred to the figure of mykhailo bulgakov, you can see that there is a very different attitude towards him,

some commemorative plaques are being dismantled somewhere in ukraine in his honor, but when the idea arose to close the bulgakov museum, well, the facebook community gathered, it's just extraordinary, what to do with mykhailo bulgakov well, where did we start, so that after the full-scale russian aggression, people have a heightened sense of non- acceptance of everything that is associated with many people, not all of them but with many people, whatever i you have the feeling that um, everything related to russian culture um, it constitutes a danger for ukraine, the question is not easy and everyone will have their own answer that hm belongs to russian culture, and regarding the russian-speaking part of ukrainian culture, for part of ukrainians everything that was written in russian, it is a negative attitude, everyone who expressed some negative theses about the ukrainian people's

republic, whether the hetmanate or the ukrainian independence is already modern, they should be deleted, someone else realizes that hmm during the history of ukrainians, different ukrainians had different orientations, political orientations in particular well, for example, i can clearly say that some had, some were pro-anal, some were russophiles, some were sovietophiles, respectively, in our history, yes, there were people who did not perceive the independence of ukraine, korolenko, whom i mentioned, a russian -speaking ukrainian the writer, yes, we accepted the independence of ukraine. i did not accept, what are you doing? yes , this is it, or should we know and forget about it? we should know and should not forget about bulgakov . sharp and there well, for example, we are their acquaintances we are there oksana zabuzhko pavlo match us as ukraine fopskyi is it their right is it their right or do other people have the right to read otherwise

is the right question that not all actors to whom such e- it is a different attitude, monuments should be erected , streets should be designated, and i think that during our lifetime we will change our attitude not only to those who speak russian, but also to those who wrote ukrainian. well, for example, dovzhenka, in my opinion, brought dovzhenka ukrainian nation eh much more damage even than bulgakov, but so far you see nobody, dovzhenka, does not change the name of the film studio there, the dovzhenka center, etc. and this is actually hmm communist agitator who actually created the prerequisites for the famine simply unlike others i, for example, watched films dovzhenka, but the fact that he spoke ukrainian and once, before he defected to the

reds, was in the troops of the ukrainian people's republic, my attitude towards him did not improve, but i do not impose my position on others, i think that someday in a few decades, we will realize that yes, that dovzhenka actually did a lot of damage, but this does not negate his genius, as time passes, the peak of bulgakov's popularity was somewhere in the 80s, and then he was still fueled by the release of films, but for now, i think that this figure will gradually go away with the generations there kiyan a-a well, a little further on who wants to read hm, he can , books are no longer banned. i read a full assembly there of lenin and a full assembly

of stalin, but it did not make me leninists or stalinism on the contrary. in other words, it pushed me to realize the need to fight against the ussr, so i emphasize once again. i think that not every figure needs to be erected a monument once or twice. if the figures of e-e cause the rejection of a large part of society, then theirs can be included in the school curriculum, this applies in particular to bulgakov, because he is perceived - is perceived negatively by a large part of ukrainian society and you have to respect their heightened nerves, that's why such figures simply have no place in the program school comment on the bulgakov museum to be in your opinion. look in the school literature - there is no question even about the museum. i think that this is the first question of the kyiv community about the museum in kyiv but if now some

part of the kyiv community clings to his presence there, i think in a few years they will get sick of this too, and it seems to me that not only will the name be changed, but also he himself will change, well, because andriivsky uzviz, they associate themselves not only with bulgakov and the characters of the end or the beginning of the 20th century, we in kyiv had a lot of positive ones, that is, i think that there was a company that will gradually come to nothing, i emphasize once again that it does not highlight the fact that he was born in kyiv, that he worked in kyiv, and i just want to ask you about a few more such controversial points. you mentioned that you are communicating with the local authorities, and two monuments come to mind,

or rather one monument and one figure the first is this the monument to catherine ii in odesa, as if the mayor already said that the city council should consider the decision to dismantle it, and the second point here is not even so much about the monument as about the figure of pushkin in kharkiv, and the dismantling of the bust of pushkin in kharkiv took place in the meantime, the attitude of the city the mayor of kharkiv to pushkin, the streets of pushkin, the streets of pushkin, such that pushkin is not to blame for the fact that putin was born. how do you communicate with the local authorities regarding such figures, and do you see that some kind of evolution is taking place in the attitude of the same city mayors, then these personalities that you emphasize in contrast to e, the russian-speaking part of ukrainian culture, to which many er figures belong, many figures who wrote in russian, but who were born in ukraine well, let's say there skovorody, most of the works are in russian

, or let's say further, he was born in ukraine, who made the dictionary er in russian, but we constantly emphasize that the british also produced dictionaries of indian mavfabrikan, well, that is, these are people who were born in ukraine, and we will have a discussion for decades and centuries about their place about and our culture a is a russian culture that has been crossed on it because of fascist russian aggression, there will be no place here for either catherine or pushkin. in general, moreover, it is in the interests of ukraine that catherine and pushkin have no place not only in ukraine, but also in europe and in america, that is, it is in the interests of ukraine, that no onegins should be staged in european american operas, that is, russian culture is dangerous for the world, dangerous for the world because it is an excuse in the future for the promotion of

russian tanks and e-e creams. first, the cultural of the spaniards, after the economic, military and territorial expansion. we must be aware of this. consciously, it comes gradually. therefore, there will be no catherine in odessa, i guarantee you. there will be no more pushkins in every ukrainian city. but we do not break and do not call for barbarism, we explain this and i give an example. well, for a person who is treated with great respect, who did a lot, and in particular, for russification in odessa, hurwitz was the mayor, he was one of the first who conducted a sufficiently large-scale the renaming of streets in the historic center of odesa , the communist names were removed and the historical ones returned, and the panic was just a supporter that, first of all, it returned to historical toponymy, and there were no waves of renaming, so that instead of hmm

, everywhere, let’s say, pushkin streets, now there were lesi ukrainka and franka that is, this is also a tribute to a certain sovietism , yes, that is, i am in favor of returning the historical in any way, so here is the monument to kateryna hurwitz at the time when he was engaged in renaming, he defended it. i think that now he does not protect, i.e. a re-awareness came, but at that moment a few years ago, he had not yet reached it, we are all gradually coming to an understanding of the need to clean it up now, i think well, because i am a figure skater and a person of great intelligence, i think that he already understood it as well you see, gradually the mayor of odesa realized that everything needs to be cleaned up. i think that the mayor of kharkiv will also understand that the shelling of kharkiv took place. and precisely because where there are cannons, the kremlin and russia also think that putin is russian territory. by the way

very recently, in kyiv, there was a popular dismantling of the pushkin bust near the university of transport, and the result, as told by one of the activists who took part in it, was a proceeding, which was opened at the request of the rector of the university of transport, how do you assess the actions of the rector of the university of transport, who wrote a statement and what do you think of the decision of the activists to dismantle it on pushkin's chest, one of the arguments actually why the commission under the ministry of cultural policy was created, that is, the commission with issues of diversification of typism is when we talked with the minister and conducted online first, then we stood out in order to warn the public figures that if we do not make a decision in time, well, there is a danger, it is a danger of overthrowing

the people between first of all, provoke any vandalism. we must normalize everything. it is precisely the slowness of normalization that provokes any kind of public manifestations, such as beating these monuments, smashing them, etc. was to prove that pushkin's chest, which was seen, was on the list of objects that should be dismantled in kyiv according to the decision of the kyiv city council as early as this spring. everything will be on time in kyiv, in fact, there was an overabundance of them , i think that there should not be at all, but there were 11.5 of them in one or another of the pushkin bust monuments, why and a half because a couple

of years ago there was an eh not a monument when it disappeared, it is not known how, only the grounds remained. and it disappeared. but the russian empire, the russian empire, and the russian empire used pushkin as in the animal world, the animal world . but the placement from its territory was used was used pushkin, well, look, it’s not only there, it is emphasized once again that this bust was erected in the 19th century, this is not the first year of pushkin, but let’s take the university subway, there were no depots placed in the interior of the metro of ukrainian figures and russian figures, emphasizing that in such a way that

ukrainian culture cannot exist there in ukraine , it can exist by 50%. congratulations to the pros who have something to do with kyiv university. gorky cannons broke, and mendeleev, that is, they have nothing to do with kyiv university, but they are an element of the fact that there cannot be university science and higher education in ukraine without russian figures. and pushkin was also used there, in particular to things, we also raised this issue discussions, and i just proposed because there were different proposals, the proposals were to replace with er there er ukrainian figures were called lesi ukrainka , another one. and i was just coming out of another proposal . who is directly involved in the history of the university,

dmytro, the university, the whites of the university and the leaders should not, according to the logic of the russian empire and the ussr, general but local history, moreover, it is actually colossal, and hrushevsky, for example maksymovich drahomanov just put it there . that is, if we must also have gender balance. for example, i said that you can put a pot, which stained glass window was dedicated to shevchenko at the university, which was broken. that is, this is the history of the university, why i constantly emphasize the historical toponyms, we should have a local stories, we should have the right of each locality to its own heroes to its own toponymy to its own names and this needs to be invented even very often we should pop it out local stories mr. data

i thank you for this conversation. i see that there is still a lot of work in this area of ​​russification, but at the same time , it is clearly not worth delaying the local authorities with these decisions, because otherwise there may be popular dismantling in one form or another. you are absolutely right. we must raise our own level of the tour . it applies to everyone, the local self-government body, and nationally, we only help with this, but this is our joint task, the joint mission

of bohdan good morning, this is svitlana mykolaivna , only from another phone, join me already i'm waiting, write in viber, but the board is not visible, now they will write, the sun is shining, it's necessary good morning, how are you, how is bohdan's mood , why is his nose hanging, god, it's okay, everything will be fine . good afternoon. that's why we open the notebooks, notebooks in the cell, the topic on the board, the plane, the line segment, in the classroom

, there is no class, there is no school, there is no if there was a school, i would do it at school, mathematics, words, you can, you must take the problem, otherwise, no way no way i had an office equipped with everything provided i had everything i had a face i had a document a camera my office of god there are simply no words just no words this is just a horror of the whole this is all the trenches were all the trenches were this is

the russian language and foreign literature room and hit here projectile this is my class in which i worked for 30 years, the window was always opened to ventilate this is how we have a nut forest, the children always collected nuts well, now there was an interactive board, they pulled it up by the root and picked up the window, there was a projector hanging there, they could barely move

to tear it off and it was complete chaos, the laundry room was in my office and they lived here for a month, a notebook, a piece of a book, a table surface, this is all my fatherland. now he is a small laptop, deaf, volunteers brought it to the education department, they gave it to me because i have nothing at all, the teacher always finds a way out of any what kind of situation and if i wrote a letter in the first place and what does that mean, what will the letter be? well done, what a letter. until they saw the video on the internet, the children didn't even understand that i was holding lessons on the street, they always say, well, we hear it behind the scenes, oh, wait, i'm holding an umbrella i'll open it, they didn't understand. well, why am i saying this, and then when they saw the video, she says we could understand everything, she says, well, we said them, we didn't even think about what

you say, you conduct lessons on the street . let's show. we understand . come in. this is the hallway. this was our bedroom with my husband. this was the kitchen. this was a very large 5x5 hall where our grandchildren played with us growing up . my dad built it. we with they got married the other day and lived here for 32 years. they did repairs and raised children. they waited for beautiful grandchildren. and now these grandchildren are calling and saying, grandpa, i know you don’t have a house

, but you can. they killed us with their fountain, they broke a pole, they were angry, there was a message to hide or there is chaotic shooting and we are all on the mushrooms, all the neighbors are all on the mushrooms, we were sitting here in the cellar, the third day of the war was on, no one expected that they would just be so simple

to drive stupidly right to left shoot stupidly, well , there is no city well, they shot on one side of the house, on the other side they turned around and shot, we were all sitting in the cellar, a strong wind was in the field, my house is opposite and there is a lot of smoke, i am a spouse and say we are burning everything, i go out to see i was thrown out the door behind me. this happened for two minutes, but she thinks she's looking at what's there. well, i'm worried, of course, then i go out around the corner and look.

cry ours, i started to climb, i say, well, we need to save him, help his boots, we were sitting in the cellar, we could hear the neighbors shouting sveta seryozha sveta seryozha i say seryozha i say well, they have everyone in the cellar, we agreed that when the tanks come, we all sit on the mushrooms, we come out only after and on the roll call of the whole street, we still hear someone shouting holy seryozha holy seryozha seryozha seryozha more than once something has happened maybe i say someone was injured maybe i say someone needs to be taken somewhere i say and when we leave i open the tomb and we already have a very the roof is burning with a big flame, you find it on the street

, the roof shoots, the roof shoots, you leave the cellar and your whole life is in front of you, that's how they say at that moment it's stupidly going to ashes, you go into the house and it's going to ashes and you just don't understand you know, the photos of the earring were burnt in the house, it is clear that the owner’s landlady already didn’t understand kirill, well, we were getting together for just a second, so i say two brings out two moons, we started

like this and the neighbors just open the closets and just like that throw everything on the blanket and yes everything is on fire sasha, the son of seryozha he just ran out from under the shed and fired a shot and severa and i ran into the house i'm just asking what seryozha says take the tv i grabbed the tv and then my feet hit the ceiling tv thank god it's heavy that it didn't carry me away with it the man is tearing apart in the literal sense of the word, tearing apart the washing machine, the hose is falling, the water is running, and i am standing there saying with an earring, what are you

doing ? and we have it, he is sorting through it, he will wear it, i will not be sorting through the dress, i think it will be in april, in dina, it will be in may, vitya says what are you doing? i say, i think , what other dresses will i wear to work ? brought this picture and i say, vitya, i don't like this one , please bring me another one and he brought me this one i really like this picture forest, two swans and a small house, well, it's probably some kind of symbol my husband and i have two swans and we're left now for the last time already when vitya was taking the tv out, i still took one pillows and seryozha took something else there and it turned out that the

first man was already on the threshold, i was behind him in the veranda and vitya was behind me with a tv and here a tank turns around completely opposite duo us towers , i look with round eyes and shout to the house there is nothing, what else do you need and still there was an explosion, but apparently some forces are still above us, because at that moment when the projectile flew by, the roof collapsed and the projectile went a little higher. absolutely saw when shooting that's all, and when we had already left, my son jumped up to us with tears in his eyes, began to hug us and said, "i think i'm already an orphan, i thought in me, despite my mother , she doesn't want me anymore

, and i thought here, i think the mathematician, when my husband and i arranged this little room. this is an outbuilding that we built my father is there, the chickens are there, the husband’s equipment is there, all the tools are there, and here we have arranged a little very modestly. there is a sofa, a refrigerator, a stove, so that you can solve at least some elementary questions of your family, school work, you know, at our wedding, and here

across the yard there was a hut and on the carpet hung posters written by the hands of the past. it was a long time ago and on one of them it was written brave paradise hut yes now i understand this phrase at 200% when brave paradise hut when really moral support when you were in the morning a hugger when he understands you when he supports you when he scolds you when he scolds you when he scolds you god in the hospital or my uterus my big little one is immense in my opinion the topic yes probability theory this is why you are a teacher i think especially in my