and then it was apparently refuted in order not to burden the electrical systems for ukrainians, it is better to go abroad, isn't it better to eat the point of view, it is absolutely clear that they want to reduce the load on the system because there are problems with generation, there are problems with transmission. therefore, it will be, but question therefore, the question now arises of how many people from those who left abroad will return to ukraine, i.e. ukraine is currently losing human capital at a frantic pace, and if we ask people to leave, they will not leave will leave, but those who leave may not return because of the fact that uh and because of different conditions, that's why the question. well, in my opinion, we should keep as many ukrainians in ukraine as possible and give them the opportunity to live here if it's uncomfortable. well, at least with minimal comfort, so that i i understand that there is a problem now with generation and everything else, but if we give it to our fellow citizens, where

will they come from, yes, that is, here. the question is not to turn into a desert, because without a freed desert, i am against people leaving. well, the session, if this they are comfortable, of course, they leave, but i think it is unacceptable to call on people to go abroad so that we can get through this winter. in principle, people are understanding now. there is no one to whine, so everyone understands. who is to blame for this, and if ukrainians ask, they will go to meetings and they will be as much as possible . to economize and what would you see from the side of the government, concrete steps should be taken now to stabilize this situation and help ukrainians in principle, and enough is being done here to reduce the cost in our country at the expense of reducing the price in general, to eliminate the taxation of imported generators, we have lost this situation from the authorities, we want to increase

business support, because we understand that if the business does not work, and now there is such a trend that the share is decreasing working working business, there will be no jobs and no money in the economy , well, the economy, so i want as many businesses as possible to work, even today we see when it is not working, there is no heat supply, there is no electricity supply, you can go, for example, there are a lot of working cafes and restaurants where you can come and drink a warm cup of coffee or tea where you can warm up where you can charge your phone and in fact today they have become the same a-a points of invincibility and some even provide internet thanks to the purchased starlinks, so my the opinion that we need to get ukrainian business now in order to support the economy and support the people tell you thank you for these important e-e messages on our air andriy sauk, the senior expert of the office, was with us supporting the reforms of the ministry of regions of

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directors should inform me about this, and for now i will remind you about the points of indomitability which have opened throughout ukraine, more than 3,000 such points exist today, information about their location can be found on a special website or in local self-government bodies, the adviser to the head of the president's office, kyryla tymoshenko, noted that this is a place where everyone can come in the event of a long-term power outage. there is hot water there lighting, internet, power for mobile places to rest, first-aid kits, provisions for mothers and children, in particular, in multimillion-dollar kyiv, half a thousand such facilities are being deployed, depending on the conditions one capital point will be able to receive from 40 to half a thousand people at the same time without a limit on the time of stay. yevgenia motsarevska is with us on the phone.

she is the editor-in-chief of public television, but in addition, the author is the co-author of the gold project of the church, mrs. yevhenii. i congratulate you. good morning. so yesterday service security of ukraine reported on the results of the search of the kyiv-pechersk lavra and monasteries in the rivne region and, among other things, they found a lot of cash over 2 million uah, over 100 thousand us dollars and several thousand russian rubles where could such money come from? andriy well , we can talk about legal earnings and earnings that we question. well, the first thing i would like to point out is that it is not the transparency of the churches from which they work, that is, if you go on the website of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, if you go to the website of other ukrainian churches, you will not see, for example, how much they

received from there, but where did they spend it ? it's a pity in ukraine, the religious communities don't have it, and when we were doing our project, we even tried to get this information and made requests, but we were refused , saying that it's church affairs and journalists don't have the right to receive this information. and if we talk about money from on the one hand, all religious communities usually have certain earnings, that is, they sell candles. they take money for certain rituals , which are the sums. mp is long at the time, they had wealthy sponsors, wealthy parishioners, very often these were people with pro-russian views, pro-russian politicians who

supported activities, who gave apartments , houses, mercedes to bishops, clergymen, and of course i suspect that they could also finance certain activities there, informational and propaganda because we saw in the photos of the security service of ukraine a very large number of e -cards and other materials distributed pro-russian and frankly propaganda, so here there are different ways that this money could have ended up in the lavra. i wanted to say that the last time i was in the lavra, there was a big fair for honey rescue. and of course, all these merchants pay some kind of rent, they live there in that is, there are analogues of hostels or

guest houses for merchants and all this money . as far as i understand, it is not taxed and, moreover, it is not cashless. it goes from the hands of small businesses to the hands of these priests . well, try something to buy on the territory of the lavra with the help of a card , i am more than sure that you will hardly be able to do it and there is and what else do churches make money on, i understand that selling candles and pies is not the only thing like this, and sponsorship money is clear, so what can be said about land plots, we know a lot of scandals surrounding the fact that churches, well , especially the ukrainian orthodox church of the russian orthodox church, take over plots or build their er religious buildings on plots that are not provided for this purpose, this is a

problem. by the way, er, you started talking about that that is not taxed, i would also like to add a little more about this, and here the situation is very strange, on the one hand, it is logical that parishioner donations are not taxed, this is how charitable foundations work, this is how public organizations work, but on the other hand, large churches are the same today we recall that they actually conduct business activities, they sell jewelry, they can sell, they can sell agricultural products, but they do not pay taxes on this, as does, for example, a small average large business in ukraine and this is another issue that will have to be raised after the victory because there are a lot of manipulations with this. the second thing is that i am especially hurt by the situation with the land and my colleagues and i investigated it in kyiv and found that as of 2020 each the fourth temple of the

ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, it was built in kyiv illegally , that is, without allocating land, this is one side, the other problem is that usually the land belongs to religious communities, even if they follow a legal path and they are transferred for free use, well , that is, imagine yes, a session of the city council, who would dare to protest against the allocation of land for the construction of a church, and there are also problems here, because there were scandals not only in ukraine, but again with different churches and including from the uoc mp, when large areas were allocated for the construction of the temple. but then, together with the temple, a multi-story building or other complexes appeared there for business activities, and around this, too, a lot of different schemes are taking place, and this is obviously another questionable

the legality of the way to get money for the church , moreover, ms. vinia, i heard such a scheme from e-e developers that if you build a church inside a residential complex and write off the purchase of materials as if to this e-e church and not to a residential building, then you can save a lot on this because there there are also some tax preferences, when my colleagues and i began to wonder why all this is not being investigated, why are they turning a blind eye, and our sources, who are familiar to us from informal conversations, directly said that none of the officials from the law enforcement dare to fight with the church because the church leaders, unfortunately, can involve their community in these bad purposes, and er, it will all be presented as an attack on a, on this or that religious community, as an

obstacle to religious activity, and of course no one wants to look er like that no one wants to oppose an irresponsible person against churchmen and scumbags in ukraine, there were such scandals, they were not investigated in any way, and the people who committed them, but they are not responsible for the crimes, unfortunately, the situation with the bench may be finally after the start of a full-scale war finally, there will be some consequences of the propaganda activities that they have been engaged in for many years. thank you for your comment , mrs. yevgenia yevgenia materinska, the editor-in-chief of the public was on our air, and in addition, she is the co-author of the great project of investigating the church's gold, where she investigated how churches earn of different denominations and who have tax preferences. i hope that as a result of the searches of the security service of ukraine , all those values ​​that

were transferred to the religious community of the uoc mp, and yet it should not be forgotten that the kiev-pechersk lavra is state property and that it is a historical and cultural reserve, part of which was leased to the religious community in the first place. i propose to talk more about the meetings that espresso holds for the benefit of our soldiers, our program also participates in this . we continue to collect funds for unmanned aerial vehicles for the military with the joint tactical group adam, which is named after commander yevgeny mezhevikin, a hero of ukraine the legendary cyborg was formed from volunteers in the first days of the war during the defense of the

places of irpin and bucha. hmm, i am asking our directors to show the appropriate and relevant footage after the liberation of kyiv region. the fighters retook ukrainian lands in zaporizhzhia, kharkiv oblast, luhansk oblast, and donetsk oblast. as a rule, it performs the most difficult task in the most intense areas of active work in the e-e group, we need two professional drones with a total cost of 1 million 40,000 uah, we appeal to everyone who can support such a collection, every hryvnia of yours is important to support our fighters who are fighting in the most difficult direction of bakhmut. so, let's move on to our next topic about the work of high-tech business

during the war. we will talk with the editor-in-chief of forbes ukraine magazine boris davydenko. just today, this magazine is holding a big conference in lviv dedicated to high-tech business, sir congratulations to boris. congratulations to andriy. congratulations, viewers , listeners. so, today in lviv there is a big forbestag 2022 conference. how did you even dare in such in the conditions of missile attacks from non-proliferation in military conditions to hold a large offline conference andriy look, we are watching uh, it's quite simple , finally, that now it is the responsibility of uh, everyone to be as useful as possible to the country on the front line, we are not at war, so we must bring maximum benefit in our journalistic work on the work of the

media and conferences are not created for the sake of there, i don't know, only to sell tickets and take pictures at each conference - this is new connections, new agreements, this is such a small push for the economy yes, so that it is there worked so that people somehow recharged, so you in general since the beginning of the summer, when the situation stabilized well, we did not consider the situation there from the option of sitting and doing nothing there, only not walking on the news feed well, it is necessary, it is a war, it is long, it is also necessary to work on resources, it is necessary to create a valley, cost we are already holding the third or fourth conference during boris's war, why is this topic high-tech business, er, startups, i looked at the list of participants , quite representative er, representatives of it companies, representatives of some innovative companies during the war. it seems to me that

energy may have been more relevant there now, or are there any directions around the military, military, some startups, but you are supporting this direction. how does he generally feel in such conditions as how they work in order so why not measure the tag and they asked because we had a start-up near the military at the last conference so it was further why well why yes well first of all we decided what are you carrying in kyiv we need to go to the region well lviv is a good place for an offline conference good people a lviv has historically developed in terms of technology . well, if not the first, then definitely not the second. in ukraine , there are a lot of companies, powerful companies , many engineers came here after the war, and this is such

a lively topic here. an industry that will grow in 2022, and this growth is quite and quite significant, regardless of the war, regardless of all the problems associated with it, but all of them are growing in ukraine . maybe it's just the effect of the devaluation of the hryvnia, we understand that itishniki sell to the end my phrase , the number in dollars, the currency, the exchange rate is stored here, it's not very difficult, not very well, it's not felt at all, and this is one time, but definitely for us it created and i want problems in this well, starting with the mobilization of all personnel ends with the fact that the world's companies are the coolest there. so i don't know boeing, microsoft, uh, us, uh, etc., of course they are. well,

their risk protocols do not allow you to place even a part of the order in countries where there is a war, and that's why our so-called outsourced companies have to move to latin america, portugal and all over the world in order to still receive these valuable orders. well, it is clear that there are also physical obstacles to the work of technology companies in ukraine. servers, computers here and if there is no powerful generator or there is no powerful charging station that kept the battery station that kept the charge for several hours, then there is a risk that the task will not be completed within the set time and if there is in general, a blackout for a few days, are our technology companies ready for such a development of events, what

will they do, i cannot say for the entire industry and definitely some part of it will be greatly affected by this, but we conducted a survey and made an article on how it companies were preparing for the cloud here at least in large companies, they have generators, they have backup internet backup, old links, satellite internet on the line, that is, they are. we were thinking what should we do? what is the blackout? how are we going to publish a magazine there? and in principle, in our finite office, there was almost always light, but when there was a complete blackout , there was no light. well , we will have everything, we will have light, heat and the internet, and there we have been allocated a certain number of these small

jobs. a place so that we can continue to make a website and a magazine. it is good to have such good friends who can invite you for the last question literally for a minute about startups or can today's startups, i.e. new innovative businesses, attract foreign money to ukraine, or do foreign investors risk investing in a warring country? here i would rephrase the question: they are ready to invest money not in ukraine, they are ready to invest money in people and companies from this country well, it’s definitely more difficult now. of course, in most cases when it comes to investments in startups, investors demand diversification of risks, that at least some of the key people did not work in ukraine, that part of the team was aa, too. well, no, not in

in the zone of these military risks, but, of course, there are fewer psychologists. the sums are smaller. but during the war , large funds of 50 and 100 million dollars were already being created there for investments in ukrainian it companies and, well, i can say that 1 2 3 4 4 companies raised rounds during wars in them, namely more that is what i am mentioning and well, we have recently seen several deals when it companies outsourced developers , e.e., spent buying other outsourcers both in ukraine and abroad. this industry is alive, it is such a jelly of all alive it will happen in ukraine this year the main uh, well, its export from it services this

year will be the largest item on the ticket for currency to ukraine, well, maybe only ukrainians working abroad will send more there mr. veresa, thank you for your comment boris davydenko, the editor-in-chief of forbes ukraine magazine, talked about high-tech business and startups during the war, today the magazine is holding a big offline conference in lviv. i hope that everything will be fine, and that it people will continue to earn money for themselves and for the country and donate to the armed forces of ukraine andrii yanivskyi with the news of the economy on espresso together we will win,

i have been working not since the first day as to how he even put his tv channel on the air, it is probably banal i will say, but i love him for freedom because i am not interested in informational programs for quite a long time, i started as a morning host, how long has it been for 8 years or how long has he been working as an evening host of the evening broadcast? and no one tells me how to speak. what should i say? i don’t have a voice in my head that tells me there are no dark people for this freedom, because i saw that i was on i have worked on many channels. i understand what editorial policy is and when it does not coincide with your vision of the situation, it is uncomfortable, but here it is comfortable. in principle, every day i tell a story in a book, you are writing from this story, and here you are telling them. by the way, i am in lviv i am writing a book and this history of the war is a diary plus a little somewhere somehow analytics of some impressions and there is quite a lot about the works of espresso because it is directly related to me in this war we are here

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voice of america, time, i am yuliya yarmolenko. congratulations , the foreign ministers of the group of seven will gather on a special meeting in bucharest to discuss how countries can support ukraine and its energy needs after the next russian shelling, the head of the german ministry of foreign affairs announced this, and olena barbok on her twitter page wrote that russia's attack on civilian infrastructure is an inhumane crime that cannot be tolerated putin can plunge the people of ukraine into the cold darkness with his missiles, but he will never break their will to freedom and our support, similar statements even from washington in particular us national security council spokeswoman adrienne watson emphasized that russia continues to underestimate the strength and determination of the ukrainian people and its attempts to demoralize them have failed again . the united states, watson says, are in constant contact with representatives of the ukrainian authorities and are aware of kyiv's needs, and washington will continue to provide ukrainians with everything they need to

protect them. in particular, anti-aircraft defense, the us deputy secretary of state for of energy resources jeffrit somewhere systematic this systematic attack on humanitarian infrastructure in kyiv and beyond is a threat to all of us it is the same threat to the international order as what russia did on february 24 with a foreign invasion so we are going to continue working on strengthening the ability of the ukrainian people to defend their own sovereign territory as reflected in the latest aid package under the president 's mandate announced by secretary of state blinken, but we are also going to continue intensive work with our partners in the ministry of energy of ukraine, ukrenergo , the ministry of infrastructure, in the offices of the president and the prime minister, to give the ukrainian people tools