individuals, that is, the rule that military units also have an autonomous source of energy, that is , generators, and i think that now they are fully equipped, if it was a measured time, then now, that is, well, all the more, in principle, someone can and does have influence, but it is minimal, and only in parts, well, let's say, in the organs control units , support combat units, in fact there is no influence well , as for in general, to be located in places in the villages and here they sell they somehow maintain connections there and in principle well, how would it affect there well, but well, again, there is one thing in general, the determination of the scheme of

our energy engineers in order to submit this is her in general well, how would it be minimized? thank you mr. romano svitanok, a military expert, a reserve colonel of the armed forces of ukraine, a military pilot and instructor, and andrii ryzhenko, an expert of the center for defense strategies, the cabinet of the first rank of the reserve, i would definitely like these exactly the same a question to ask about the russian army, are there medicines there, are there clothes there, are there generators, are there any well, this is punishable by tara, but i have not asked it now, we will have such a small break somewhere around 3:23 minutes, i will pop a seagull a little here and then we will plunge into international affairs and we will think about the european parliament and what is happening there. well, you, i think those who are interested in politics or diplomacy can guess what is happening there

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our values ​​are our constant that does not change and our main value - this is ukraine, this is ukraine's democratic path, this is ukraine's path to the european union, to nato membership. i think that now there is no doubt for any ukrainian. and what is the right path for ukraine? and we have been talking about this since 2013, from the first days of espresso's work, because the channel was born in the first days of the revolution of dignity, and then we defended our own european future. i was not so long ago at one international conference and there were media representatives from different countries of the world from different corners of the world and they asked how do you keep yourself in general, what keeps you afloat, what motivates you to wake up every morning really us our victory holds we live for the sake of our victory we work for the sake of our victory we

donate money to the armed forces for the sake of the victory we do our work here on the espresso tv channel for the sake of our victory and this is actually the main factor that unites us all ukrainians yes i, i, anastasia reminded me , i forgot, i was exactly 9 years ago in the studio, well, in kyiv, yes, and it was at espresso that i was very ashamed, and somehow i forgot. well, okay, we went to diplomacy there, further to europe, we have serhii lahodynskyi, a deputy the european parliament from germany, the federal republic, and we have many questions for him, i will try to switch to the russian language, i think it

will work for me so far, probably the children will not be able to do it , hello, mr. hogyndinsky, hello again, i'm sorry what 's more, we're sorry, we're sorry. i want to ask you this in kyiv and in lviv. i think in kharkiv and in odessa everywhere in ukraine they discuss this, this is what the russian federation is a sponsor of terrorism for terra rism. i don't understand something. this is like preparation for the creation of the criminal code, that is, in principle, institutions that could now do something against russia, they simply do not exist, and in order to start this procedure, you must first say that this is a sponsor of terrorism - this is what the parliament says,

then it goes to the cabinet of ministers, some institutions are invented there, some closing actions are more extensive and more accurate , and at some stage it becomes possible to bring russia to justice. am i right? i understand, well, approximately. the point is that eh, the operational part is directly. let’s say the practical, yes, practical operational part. this resolution really consists in a-a requirement of the eh in relation to the european commission , the european council, as it is called, that is, a member of the european union er, to develop er, in general, this is to say some kind of base about a weighty base by which it would be possible to judge which country is a country there, a terrorist was sponsored by a sponsor of terrorism, and what follows from it er

this is a legal base. no, this is a lyrical base in the united states, but it is very limited from the united states, and does not want to introduce it. - the request to the european commission to develop this legal matter, how serious is it, how serious is it? well, it is natural, how serious it is. it will be done realistically and quickly, and will the commission at all want to listen to our proposals , because in the field of international law , all our resolutions are this is already of a recommendatory nature question to the european commission. i would be careful about the expectations of everyone and the international community and our ukrainian friends, because this is indeed a highly anticipated matter

, but we have already decided to express our opinion and say that from our point of view there are two points, the first is that the russian federation uses terrorist methods in this war and the second is that it is a sponsor of terrorism, but look at the wagner brigade, or from my point of view, and the administration in principle of the donetsk luhansk oblasts, from my point of view, and it would also be an anti- terrorist regime, and sergey tell me, i think that if you came to kyiv or lviv, you would be criticized more strongly, both you personally and your colleagues later that the main words that are pronounced here are that it is still necessary to prove, i understand that the soy institute is more important than

volunteerism and this is such a thing. eh, how thoughtful. but the ukrainians ask, well , rockets fly and fall and kill further, what is it? i just spoke with an expert, i am saying. very interesting. i did not know about this. it somehow affects the ukrainian army, they say no. all the armies of the world must be autonomous, so if they throw missiles at ukraine, the army does not suffer, but it suffers morally because there are women and children in the rear. but this is precisely terrorism - it is not people who have weapons in their hands they are fighting against russia, these are people who sell it. i don't

know. they cut their hair. is it the flu or not? i'm in lviv. they sing here. it seems like they were spared, well, how did we talk about this topic? these are really complex things, and secondly, my understanding is here. it is clear. i don't know if it's terrorism or not. well, that's it the mouth of eh in relation to eh population from my point of view attack there are even other categories not necessarily how to be from my point of view, without any questions, they are all from my point of

view, after 10 odinadtsy . where have i been for a long time? uh, it's in the third of course crimes against humanity and war crimes for different legal categories eh and from my point of view this is still a national war well, the question is not whether we recognize it, we do not recognize it, yes, i recognize it, i do not recognize it . the country was like a wife, and here we have such a problem that kak

in general, defeat the country of satan with weapons and so on. i think that the ukrainians are capable of much more . since then they are occupying germany and conducting some kind of tribunal there, it means that it should be conducted, as it were, without the consent of the immediate countries that will appear, or the liter that will appear, as it were, virtually on the dock . and uh, it's still trial balls, here's a trial one layer is our visa, we are trying now to support our ukrainian partners, i write this in every summons, because we would like to have a special tribunal, a special tribunal for the crime of war of aggression.

what is impossible now at the tribunal, which is already gaga, uh, at this point, this is the goal. here we are fighting to make additional tribunals, and that is, the situation, this does not give anything, therefore, from my point of view, the most important thing now is the supply weapons are effective. and already there. how do we call this regime? i also need it secondarily now. i always say this. i say that before the war , i was back in january of this year, so that the ukrainian country would be supplied with weapons, and what's more, not only against rockets, but also for example, tankyls and guys and so on, the police change the position of my party, the green ones , but unfortunately, in principle, now the supplies have increased. well, yes, tanks will not arrive in any way. another very important question of sergey. excuse me, another very important question is my personality

i don't remember what these 49 or 59 people who are against the resolution are saying. they have some kind of argument. well, what are they saying? ukrainians want to conquer russia and drop bombs on the urals, or what are they saying ? arguments when the whole world sees what is happening and suddenly people say and we don't think, we think that this is wrong, this is the resolution that they say, how am i, argumentation which is natural, just little by little, they will have such a change in argumentation линия they are talking there. well, let's talk about it. they call the

country something. again, i ca n't find the decryption of the names. well, i just need to now, eh. so he says that i should just see who who these were, but i saw a picture of the entire hall projected right after the vote, and you can see where the green ones are. those who were addressed and red were on the sides, that is, everyone voted against. it was either right-wing radicals or left-wing radicals. well, that is, this is the same collision that has always been quite similar to putin. it is the same alternatives in germany. others, or leftists, but i don’t want it. how would it be? it says i need to look at the lists of specific names, but most likely it was them, but there is also, as it were, another plast. survival

people, or maybe they even understand, but they talk , but we have some kind of world order, yes, peace order, law, etc. and now you have discussed me. that is not part of this world order, there is no such concept at all of what it is at all, why vote for it, that is, how would it be here, uh , i understand them. well, there is such a moral dilemma that i understand, but i think that for me personally, for my faction, also, which issued only recommendations, vote for which is important for us, morally important, to show that we understand who is engaged

in terrorism eh with the victims of this tarot work for this it was political how would it stand legally because we simply do not have a legal base yes everything else sergey lagodynskyi where many of the european parliament from germany are green as far as i understand, that is party, i have always treated them with respect , because i personally even remember my personal meetings with yoshka fischer, who was just the leader , very popular in those days, the 90s, the beginning of the zeros, well, that's right, but now we will make a small one, i would i answered a couple of questions because later we will talk about ukraine, but about the russian orthodox church, and we will start doing it now, then i take my words back because i thought i would just answer a couple of questions, well, then at the end i will

answer the questions, and now i introduced our guests kyrylo hovorun, archimandrey, doctor of philosophy , and victor yelenskyi, connoisseur, doctor of philosophy, people's deputy of the 8th convocation, there is still no mr. viktor. and there is, too. well, i'm always wrong. well, i don't even know what it is, but they tell me that there is mr. kyrylo, too. grun and mr. viktor illensky, and i would like to see them both. oh, now i also see prila pielensky. okay, my first and important question is to both of them, and i hope you will explain it to me. i understand the emotional state of people, who are all fed up with the existence of the russian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate as some kind of fifth column , but on the other hand, i say to myself, i am not a lawyer or a

religious expert, but i say that if the state declares loudly that our church is separated from the state, and then the state says: let's ban it or start a shorter procedure, is there no state intervention here which promised not to interfere but to separate the church from the state, and now the state, well, we separated it here, but we did not separate it here, so let's ban it now, or we will appeal to the constitutional court and so on, mr. kirill, you were the first to appear, the first please answer, thank you, although it seems to me that the first should be viktor yevhenovich, because he was a legislator in the past and he owns this material , or the time will come. believe me, what you said about the separation of the church from the state is not only what the state said this is what the constitution of ukraine says , and indeed, it is a constitutional norm, and it is

also a european norm, which prohibits the intervention of the state in precisely this kind of problem and issue, but on the other hand, we really have a war , and... it seems that i would like other optics i suggested that in order to look at this problem, the problem of collaboration, in particular, the problem of passive or active assistance to the aggressor on the part of the ukrainian orthodox church, i would suggest that we look at it individually, that crimes they are not committed by religious structures, they are committed by individuals, citizens of ukraine, no, regardless of that and it does not matter who they are, whether they are metropolitans or patriarchs, whether they are bishops, monks, etc., they are primarily citizens of ukraine from the point of view

ukrainian states should be like that and it seems to me that when, for example, the state turned a blind eye in 14th year to the facts of collaboration, the facts of frank support of the criminal regime by individual representatives of the uoc, it turned a blind eye because they belonged to the uoc to the structure, it was a mistake, a todological mistake, a legal mistake if you want , because the state did not consider them as citizens of ukraine who should all be free before the law , it seems to me that now it is also important to avoid this mistake of considering everyone absolutely without exception citizens of ukraine as equal before the law and only on this basis, it seems to me that the decisions in relation to them will be legal and accepted in europe, including in recent days a lot of people have asked me to comment on this situation , in particular in the lavra and in particular with collaborators uh, in various european mass media, and i have to say that the thesis that everyone should be equal before the

law in our country is very well received in the west. i think that this is the key in which perhaps i would suggest considering this problem mr. viktor illensky and how, from your point of view, is he really a legislator, even if he is a former one, but uh-uh, if some russian part of the church or some members of the russian church in ukraine will sue the european human rights and say look at the european as well - as we as in just now you and i kirill, and in the constitution of ukraine there is a separation of the church from the state and the same is in the european norms, and here the state begins to intervene, as it were, to prohibit or allow the existence of the church, a very simple question from one point show what and then why accept any a law that will then suddenly be canceled by the european court, your opinion, please. my opinion

is that ukraine will win this court, this case in the european court. i want to say what father kirill did not have time to say. of course, this does not mean that the church is like a seed , the institution is outside the legal field , first of all, secondly, if the situation requires it, and now it requires it, the state resorts to measures that are conventionally called securitization in the english-language literature religions that is, she goes to such steps, which can be considered interference in the affairs of the church, but these steps are, firstly, legitimate, they are established by law, these steps are

explanatory and these steps do not affect the freedom of conscience of individual citizens, of course, we are talking about crimes or the collaboration of individual clergymen they must be brought to justice, but on the other hand, well, you see that no searches, whether it's in chernivtsi, or the kiev-pechersk lavra, will not lead to the discovery of a self-propelled anti-aircraft missile or anti-aircraft missile installation is not the case the fact is that for decades, for a long time, this structure poisoned its faithful with these idiogens of the russian

peace and all these things when it struck the ukrainian state in the back from the 14th year when it demanded peace from kyiv and never from moscow when she did not stand up in honor of the heroes of the anti-terrorist operation, but did not resort to any smoke marches in moscow, this is all that infuriates the citizens. so i don't think that they should be outraged, they can be outraged by today's findings in chernivtsi consistory does not miss the cash that was found in sarny, she is outraged by the fact that this structure, which is now hiding behind the backs of the fathers, which self-sacrificing fathers, who took the faithful from irpen, has been sold, but they also say that our faithful are also fighting at the fronts, what exactly the truth. she did not call on

these faithful to fight on the fronts, she said through the mouth of her leader that crimea had fallen by itself, that it was a civil war, they listened with their mouths open in moscow when a preacher addressed them, a well- known preacher told the weaver that ukraine would leave they didn't protest against it, that's the real problem, that's why if this structure is not really separated from moscow, i think it's outrage . indignation can you, well, a very radical way, mr. mr. kirill, uh, father, my question is for you. i just spoke with a member of the european parliament and asked him. well, we know that there is a

recognized sponsor of terrorism, and someone voted for their majority, and there are some 40 people against i asked what is in their heads, how do they explain when things are obvious, and i will ask you too. and what is in the heads of these fathers, as victor just called them. well, they are on this earth. i understand, i um, i don't understand, but i somehow, if i strain my imagination a lot, i can imagine some kind of skelia where there is no tv , there is nothing, and some priest is sitting near moscow , some high-ranking priest comes to him and says that the hochlyva is to blame for everything and he has no other source, he sits in himself there and that's all and ukrainians from xiang home from east to west from midnight to noon, we all saw it we know everything

we show it all here please look at it here here look at bucha look here and we are there people who like something moscow how they are among themselves what they say to each other is very valid and a good question and at the same time a very difficult question to which it is difficult to answer, and it seems to me that the explanation of this phenomenon of ignoring war or collaboration against the background of war is somehow connected with the general structure of religious consciousness e-e for and with- in particular, with such a formula of religious consciousness, which i would say is perverted and perverse, and this is when a person, for example, ignores

the reality around him. or in the communities, mostly uoc, e.e. we have seen how people simply ignore covid, for example, they say that there is no such thing . now they say to silk, this is ignoring reality and it is connected precisely with the structure of religious consciousness . look, when this kant was sung. how spiritual you are in the lavra about holy russia. on this very day, russia struck pechersk, that is, i think that the people who sang it, they probably and they heard these explosions in pechersk near the lavra and all the same for them this reality does not exist for them uh, there is only that only what they believe unfortunately, russia uses these features of religious consciousness of this structure of religion