we observed this ignoring, for example, during the covid, when it was in the monasteries, the kyiv-pechersk lavra, or in the communities, mostly the uoc, e.g. we saw how people simply ignore the covid, for example, they say that there is no such thing. yes, we are metropolitan onufriy somewhere on some people caught him there, caught him, he said that it's like the flu , a person gets sick with the flu, and now they're already telling the silks that this is ignoring reality and it's connected precisely with the structure of religious consciousness . look, when they sang this kant, would you pseudo-spiritual in the lavra about holy russia on this very day russia struck pechersk, that is, i think that the people who were singing they must have heard these explosions in pechersk near the lavra and anyway for them this reality does not exist, for them it exists only that's only what they believe. unfortunately, russia uses these features of religious consciousness, this structure of religious consciousness,

she uses . it is not a real state, it is not real, it is something that is not unreal, but russia is such a real state that still comes from byzantium and people who are used to believing in what they do not see, and what they see, they do not perceive as some kind of reality, they believe in it they are beginning to believe it, that is, russia has in fact instrumentalized some features of religious freedom of consciousness and, in particular, orthodox consciousness and turned them into a tool of propaganda, we are talking about instrumentalization through the church of such a sensitive sphere as religious consciousness and turning it into a weapon and it is precisely with these weapons that we are dealing with now, unfortunately, and i want to say once again that i completely agree with viktor yevgenovich, of course, regarding his assessment of what is happening, i would conduct

a certain differentiation within the uoc because there really are fathers. i know many fathers, i would even say the majority of the uoc clergy, they are ukrainian patriots just like the majority of believers, but at the top of the highest saber in the leadership of this church, we see a critical mass of people who abuse own spiritual power for the sake of brainwashing is also called its parishioners, or they simply believe in it, they can believe sincerely, they are sincere , absolutely and ideological followers of the russian peace of the russian world, it is more correct to call it that, and in the uoc there is people who are bought about it is simple and uoc is set up very well structuring structuring motivation name it this is when people have a certain motivation this is how mo is created why

should they support the russian world with money influence blackmail eh and eh they start to work on this ideology, so i think that, unfortunately, among the leadership of the uoc episcopate, there is a critical mass of people who support the russian world , disproportionate to the rest of the church. lavra, and how can this happen physically, let's conditionally say that ukraine has won all cases both internally and externally, the fact that the police come to the kyiv-pechersk lavra and show some documents that you have to vacate. the kgb and now the fsb are waiting there, apparently, for various

dissidents, how does it happen, how does it have to happen, that is, the very same physical action, how do the police go there, or is it just we say you know that you have to go to russia, there is a beautiful kiev train -moscow will be full. it means those people who love russia more than ukraine and we don't mind you going there, how can it be p victors, please? well, in fact, the question is not there, you see, so far, the ukrainian state cannot to fulfill the law which was adopted at the end of 2018, the law on renaming, conditionally speaking, cannot register the charter of the monastery on the territory of the kyiv-pechersk lavra, the charter of the orthodox church of ukraine, because the head of the

freedom of conscience service said that the orthodox church has no monks and so on and so on, i.e. until now imagine that until now, in the ninth month of the 10th month of the war, the uoc of the moscow patriarchate is still in a privileged position . this situation, i think it can look like this. thus, first of all, the ukrainian ukrainian state must say that it does not tolerate the presence of the structures of the moscow patriarchate on its territory, this means that the structures that are currently in the direct or indirect are

hidden e-e dependences on the moscow patriarchate, should they distance themselves from it to do this e-e in accordance with the canonical right to send peaceful so-called letters to the heads of local churches that they are not under the e-e subordination of the moscow patriarchate to condemn the collaborators who went to moscow and took part in these so-called celebrations on the occasion of the annexation of the so-called annexed territories, 7-8 or 10 bishops of this church were awarded, including personally by putin , with orders for the strengthening of russian-ukrainian friendship, which sounds even outside the borders, now it is good and not bad to

send this cream back to the pots and so on, if the collaboration continues, then the procedure begins and the entire ukrainian orthodox the church of the moscow patriarchate is not a legal entity, but its center is its fringe management by such persons. and this further collaboration may lead to the start of the procedure of e-e suspension or e-e deregistration, annulment of their statuses, of course, it is not about the fact that these should suffer parish of vinnytsia or in any other or zhytomyr or other regions there is the majority of the faithful i agree with this kirill they are really patriots and really they are not involved in

what is being done by the holy head of the uoc mp however if you just come to a liturgy in an ordinary ordinary church of the moscow patriarchate in ukraine, you will hear things there that will be a certain surprise for a person who has lived for 10 months in war conditions, but you don't have to, you don't have to go to churches just take it and read the easter messages of the bishops of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, they are what is called beyond the measure of things, that is, there is a war going on, a terrible war is going on, and read what they write about in uh, 90% in general

nothing is mentioned about this in other uh some of these appeals talk about some unknown forces and so on and so on and some of them are generally blasphemous therefore of course of course it is necessary i completely agree with this kirill what is necessary to differentiate the main mass of believers and this sacred authority, which in one way or another is tied to moscow, and i also wanted to ask you what the pope would do today if he became more openly pro-ukrainian, but there is not enough time . a minute to dominate let's be the first to speak, cyril. please. why is it so? i'm in rome right now. i'm here with the pope. well, then, you're the first. let's watch the evolution of the pontiff's views, and

what's more, more importantly, the evolution of the pontiff's rhetoric. it's obvious. he sincerely wants to understand this situation, he often does not succeed. he admits his mistakes like the pope and works on these mistakes and we see the work on these mistakes and he is helped in all his work by many ukrainians, i can say, who communicate with him influence him, convince him and now we have a result. it seems to me that this is a pretty good result. and now, mr. viktor illensky, please say a few words and we agree that uh, his rhetoric is evolving, albeit extremely slowly, and i want to say that you understand , we are waiting for pope but we don't expect from him any political considerations or some er advice and we don't even expect him to mediate in

the er settlement of this war we expect from him what the world expects from a religious leader that i have wait for yours from a religious leader because religion is about uh, so-called final meanings, it's about good and evil, about the distinction between good and evil, and about who evil comes from, this is what ukrainians have been waiting for from the pope and i hope that we will wait, thank you very much, kirill archimandrid govorunov doctor of philosophical sciences viktor and lena, expert on religion, also doctor of philosophical sciences, people's deputy of the 8th convocation thank you for finding time for us and i will go on to answer the questions that i should have here, you see what ukraine is creating, everyone has some kind of story about the ukrainian genesis. at first, this and the pope did not give weapons. and now, here are the zealous ukrainian

troops of the ukrainian people, and now they are all. well, we did not know, now we will help more. well, some strange story is strange, but you see it, you know i am sometimes ironic, although during the war irony can be inappropriate and simply hostile, and when we remember before the war, many politicians, political scientists, historians, and activists often said that ukraine has a great future, we will show the whole world who we are well done. how will we be? it turned out that for this we need putin to attack and then we really show the whole world what we are. well done. the price of this is very high. human lives are the questions. what do you think about the blackout from disabled people in russia? is this not the worst that can be expected from them? it is worth fighting . with chemical weapons

or dirty bombs, what will be the consequences if the enemy uses chemical weapons? well, there will be many people if the enemy uses them. i don't. i don't believe that they will stop it. weapons, dirty bombs, the problem of the russians is that this will not stop the ukrainian army and the ukrainian people, and this should be kept in mind, because i will simply answer for a long time, i would not like to , i would like to answer all the answers to all the questions today that some number of me will be sent there for tomorrow, but i can assume that everything is dirty, not dirty, why dirty clothes , such a crystal clean boba can be thrown somewhere

, too, no no no, i don’t see any options so that they don’t want it and don’t do it, it’s another matter what i guess there is still pressure on them and inside not everyone wants to have them because, you understand, er, practically all scenarios of er, dirty bombs turn into tactical nuclear weapons, and then we have a strategic huge number of scenarios, what could be the development of events and almost all of these the scenarios lead to a global catastrophe. well, that's why i think that everything can be waited for. well, if they just run out of weapons there, i don't know. these missiles. well, maybe they won't create a blackout, but maybe somehow they will press on iran, our western allies there and iran will not supply weapons. well, there is such a

complex combination, but you have to believe in the best, but understand that it can be worse. how do you evaluate the actions of the kyiv council regarding the blackout ? they left the city as much as possible or is this a bright background for forming an impression on the world community on jcb well, i would say so, i can assume these two options that the government wants people to leave kyiv and can vlad is the kyiv government and the ukrainian government maybe wants to show the world, but i will show 5% in each of these possibilities, that is, 10% in total, and the rest is just a matter of circumstances, you know. i always quote a phrase that seems to belong to freud, sigmund

before ivanovich, but i don’t have it there, it’s not a fact what did he say when he was driving, but sometimes it's a banana, it's just a banana, there 's just a war going on, they're just shooting at the critical infrastructure, it's just like that ukrainian energy workers are doing absolute miracles and restoring the electricity supply, they're working day and night doing absolutely impossible things and i'm talking to specialists i wonder about this myself, although you know such an expert , to put it mildly, that's why i see what you know, i would say so, maybe we should get used to this, this soviet system, because it also happens in europe, but very rarely, this desire of the authorities to deceive always ends in europe in america and in canada and in

japan, because people find out in a very short time that they were tricked, and people really don't like where i want them when they want to be tricked. today i read an interview with the first lady's wife by the president of the bbc. i care a lot i liked such a very frank, very sincere, very open person, but there is no doubt that someone can find there insincerity, treachery, deception, and so on, but i think you know that there are different approaches to societies. years , no, no, no more than 20-25 years of trust societies and non-trust societies, civilized societies, or those that are accepted as civilized, this is a

trust society, and now we are going from point a, this is point a, and for us, point b is a trust society and point a is a society, don't trust when you don't trust anyone, you are constantly afraid that you will be tricked and this is normal for russia today. look, from morning to night we see lies, lies, lies, lying words, lying actions, lying thoughts. it's just when the hero of my novel lies . let's say, but i didn't take a rye ear, but now russia is all in a lie, this is what the mothers of russians who sent their children to the front are suffering. nothing is happening, no one is writing to them. they are somewhere.

and they demand from putin, what is putin doing? he gathers his female officials of the appropriate age, well, such an age that this person can already have a 20-year-old child there, and he sits with them and despairs, everyone knows that these are fake people, they are not people's mothers who have died or who are fighting in ukraine, lies are everywhere and there is definitely mistrust. and this emanation from the word nurture is fostering mistrust in russian society. i hope that ukraine and the volunteer movement and military movements and our heroic soldiers are all built on trust if i'm a volunteer, i'm taking something to the front, so i don't want to

bring something that's not fake, i'm not, i don't have it in my head that i'm bringing something fake, and instead of it shooting or protecting, it doesn't shoot or protect ukrainian soldiers. i want to send something there that helps our common cause, and in russia we can see that someone is making bulletproof vests out of paper and cardboard. someone is sitting in some factory and doing it like this. greetings, dear frau merkel, she slandered that in the summer of 21st year she tried to talk about tukhly minsky agreements transfer to a new track, but none of the heads of state, participants in the legal process, and then did not become a servant and then did not become a servant. do you think there is

truth in her words? we exaggerate the capabilities of the leaders of the countries. if putin took it into his head that he would start a war with ukraine, there will be no merkel. 10,000 merkels will come out and stand and say let 's not fight, he will still fight, it's the same story when it was in 14-15, although it was popular now on the 22nd, it is not very popular. so if we had adopted or not adopted a law on language, then the divisive one would have attacked russia would have attacked if there were 158 laws on language, we could say that it does not have ukrainian water at all. our russian language is being restored in full and disconnected that's why it's all the talk that oh, and they're not acting badly on putin, it's nothing. putin decided to

destroy ukraine and that's all, putin has no questions and it can be biden, merkel, anyone , moreover, i think that if merkel didn't succeed, then no one succeeded do not forget that putin more or less er more or less repeats maybe even faster less than more knows german angela merkel more or less knew russian because she studied in ukraine at the university of donetsk so uh and just to agree without an interpreter they had the opportunity maybe not ideal, but they could somehow talk to each other, neither of them knows russian , johnson doesn't know russia, well, a lot, a lot, a lot of people, leaders who don't know russian, it's just them. it's physiologically difficult. well, please know what putin wants, the only person who could imagine that i want putin well, because they were born in german democratic east germany about soviet

pro-russian and accordingly understood how about it the head is pro-russian about the soviet man knows the language of the rest of the people there is no no no no no prime minister of the netherlands or the president of france no no can't understand some of them cannot give permission to russia, that's why i believe when someone tells me what such and such a story is, i believe that they restrained ukrainians as in the 14th year, i have evidence that they held hands and many of ukrainian politicians to the leader in the high places that were located then they did not start to actively act because europe said only do nothing in crimea only do nothing in donbas, we will try to agree and nothing came of it, we could not agree and again porushkin,

please explain why should ukrainians forget this poet, how to convey this to the russians that it is our right to whom to erect a monument to whom to demolish, because the russian writer bykov gives such a one to the library, the other day he raised a warrior in the swamps again, ukrainians say they don't know what they are doing. why do russian writers, especially those who are not ethnic russians , stand against the decolonization of ukraine because they are all imperialists? well, almost all of them are me, well, i am. -three people, journalist panishkin, these are people who want to understand this is a very simple litmus test, if the russian can be a government or a creative person does not

claim but asks, you can look at him a little more carefully because it is genetic they have teach uzbeks, georgians, estonians, ukrainians , moldovans, they have them all, and they don’t tolerate it when moldovans say, listen. maybe you will do something like that. i always think, what do the poor students do in denmark, portugal, norway, in such middle european countries? they do

n't study from their writers. they are only english, are they french? no, our pushkin is better than your shevchenko, well, it's absurd, but we have, yes, we have, we have to keep this pushkin. well, i can imagine pushkin in odessa, he lived there. and what did pushkin do? where was his monument recently removed, and it's in poltava? and then well, i was there for you, he was in poltava so that now you don’t re-educate them in bull houses and other people’s houses. they will be a generation, but in what time will this generation end, there will be a new generation, and then somehow medicines can be applied to russians, they are just they don't understand just for

they are different, different, different. how is it? well, somewhere it is from outer space, like a ukrainian, a moldovan, a belarusian, an estonian can talk about his literature when i am great russian literature, nothing is here, you can’t do anything , gradually i stand more quietly, speak more quietly, more quietly, what does this mean that the program is coming to an end and we i'll definitely see you tomorrow, and next friday, i hope we'll be together with vitaly, whom i've already missed. and now i'm finishing this program , we have 11 seconds left, maybe 8, how about you? thank you for your attention. good luck to everyone.

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