there is one possibility to take out the injured in a timely manner on a jeep to the ambulance. unfortunately, this kind of equipment leads to the death of our wounded. such equipment is used by humanitarian organizations of the international community. it's time excuse me please i'm studying myself i'm injured i have to run such a technique is literally three but i'll finish danochka i won't be able to unfortunately i'm sorry to be in the dialogue because uh, well, the wounded don't wait we should be online, they'll be interesting here's such a technique in they were given to the command of the medical forces, part of the personnel received such jeeps somewhere in a few jeeps per brigade, and the same sanitary jeeps are needed for each battalion and the same sanitary jeeps are in the mobile not only in the hospital yachts there, the

superiors drive them to zampolit e products and it is more that they are there sometimes they transport the sick, so somewhere according to the estimates of the volunteers, there are 50-60 jeeps that could be given to the territorial defense in the body hospital, and now you are the command of the medical forces, including them, by the way jeeps are used where there are sanitary knives where there are suction cups where there is professional equipment and they are not handed over to the troops according to nato standards, all efforts must be made for the role of one, but in this case we are with the point of civilization - this is roll2 everything must be role-1 provided only then we can save all our uh fighters uh and take them off the battlefield when everything is done for them for the troops for those uh who protect us i'm sorry please i ca n't be anymore unfortunately i received a message that they are approaching us injured please excuse me everything danochka, i hug you and kiss you, i'm sorry, please

, i didn't expect it, but you won't do anything here, ms. oksana, of course we understand that since you are on the front line, it is necessary to save the soldiers, we will try to contact yana zinkevich for the time being. and ladies, let's talk with you. you see, one of the problems is the lack of equipment. i think you know about it. it's not a secret for you, because you are a volunteer. well, they probably also turn to you in order to help you buy the cars that are needed to the guys at the front but i think that this is not the only problem that there are no cars. i think that there are a lot of problems, because the volunteers are now worried about what i want. i heard from you that it is not possible to get the wounded soldiers out of the front in time. well, look, it's a pity that oksana has disconnected

. i understand what she is doing and since the 14th year we have cooperated, but look, there are stages of evacuation, which you mentioned, and stages of assistance. the first stage is really self-help, because helping a friend i'm afraid this is a course of paramedics that even not paramedics, but just courses on providing first aid - this is domed aid, it’s called domedic , for yourself or a friend, unfortunately, now during the coordination of battalions, it’s very hasty, they train soldiers, and first of all, they teach how to fight and how to shoot how do you do your bovi task regarding a-a training on training grounds e exactly

these courses of pre-medical care i have heard very little and it is really very hasty and it is bad because you know from statistics a-a 80% are correctly provided precisely to the medical of help she is a number of eh it is it saves lives because many fighters first anesthetize themselves or each other, when you have anesthetized yourself and are anesthetized with complex narcotic drugs, it is not until the correct tourniquet is applied or nowhere but before the correct tourniquet is applied. this is a big problem, although according to the standards, the first is the application of a tourniquet , the second is an overabundance. and the third, when there is no bleeding , it is stopped by something.

wounded soldier, he gives him another dose of painkiller, why am i talking about this, because when they deliver the medical point, oksana correctly noted you, the medical aid point, the support hospital there, the distribution support hospital, there, where oksana if a person has received more than one dose of an analgesic drug, then it is very difficult to select an anesthesiologist to perform any anesthesia if it is an urgent situation if it is a situation that requires intervention and immediately carrying out some kind of operation that it is a pity that the swab clearly did not come out because it is yana who is the first pre-medical aid and evacuation and support

hospitals support hospitals have such a function that everyone understands this sorting of the wounded, eh, this is a standard story in all wars , sorting, easy, difficult, urgent, those that need to be done now, eh, the base hospital accepts wounded, this dissortation and destabilization what happens next, what happens next, from the base hospital, eh, you need to transfer eh fighter in er, the hospital is already specialized or there is a front-end hospital with further evacuation depending on the injury from further evacuation, why do i say that, unfortunately, no, i’m not oksana, there is no avataria because this is the block that i told you about before transfer to a specialized hospital is their block. i am

already picking up a wounded soldier at the stage when he is being transferred from a base hospital, unfortunately. for some reason, i have to intervene in this, i will explain why, unfortunately, but when i am already being transferred to a specialized hospital, he is also wounded does it require long-term treatment and at the moment, we have a lot of complicated, just uh, wounded, sometimes with explosive herbs, and these are such polytraumas when you don't know where a person is better, uh, it's better to transfer him, because he has as many wounds as they do and so different that you don't know where it's better to transfer him, uh , that's why, unfortunately, uh, i'm interfering in a situation that

i don't have. hospitals and he is treated why i say unfortunately i don't have i i have to intervene in a situation when they are not transferred from support hospitals to inpatients . i explained what the support hospital should do. yes, sort out an urgent situation, decide to stop the bleeding , and then the evacuation takes place, not from the battlefield, but a miracle - evacuation, the power of the medical today's security systems do not work in

the mode in which they should work. they work in manual mode. unfortunately, i'm forced , i 'm forced. well, it's not three days, i don't mind three days - i say i'm talking about three days because i also ring at night, i call out, i put it on my ears and it 's agreed for some kind of evacuation, it all happens in manual mode, that's not how it should happen be automated it it should be mm well, you understand, the system should work. unfortunately, today the system is not working, unfortunately, there are a lot of

injured people. that they can't provide help there. well, they're not, they're not meant for that. do you understand, please? how do they explain that they do n't take a soldier to the hospital from the hospital? well, there are some explanations. when you talk to them and ask translate the soldier who says there is no explanation , let's do it, let's know, let's do it, and that's how it can happen, uh, i had an extreme case when , uh, before the liberation of kherson, a couple of days ago, i had two very seriously wounded soldiers, well, unconscious people who were needed to transfer them there, they supported them for their life, er, viability, yes , they supported them there in support hospitals, and for three days i transferred these people er, to specialized institutions,

well, history should not interfere with me, it should happen automatically, if we are already talking about that the story that the soldier was transferred to a specialized institution and here i am picking up oksana, yes, oksana yana, there are hospitalists, many people work here already, i pick up the soldier when he is in a specialized hospital and i am already there talking with the doctors, and we decide what tactics to conduct e- hmm, the tactics of managing this fighter, which are growing, emphasize very difficult wounds, very difficult. we know how to make explosives. it’s more difficult because you don’t know from which side. let's take turns to do something second in the third uh-uh, it's very difficult tactics of managing such wounded uh- huh and uh-huh, i intervene right away, you understand i shouldn't interfere this is how i should intervene uh-uh-uh but

again, yes let's go back to the fact that now our wounded are not only in military swedes, military hospitals are overloaded, no matter how much you want to tell us what we have, you know, the terminators show us the numbers of casualties from this side every day, we must understand that we lose also this war and number wounded are very large, so the hospital is very large, military hospitals are not able to cope and the wounded are not kept, they are treated in civilian hospitals or in specialized hospitals of the fourth level of care, such as the institute of orthopedics, highly specialized, yes, let’s say that the fourth level of the medical system is written in the institute of

orthopedics, similar to the institute of urology, similar to the amosov institute. this is what i wrote in broad strokes, but the problem there is the following, civil hospitals in in their budget, they do not have funds for the treatment of wounded military personnel because these are civilian hospitals and the budget was calculated for them to treat civilians. they just don't have the funds. if we're talking about the institute of orthopedics, with which i'm actively collaborating now, then the issue of plates and plates is an expensive thing, listen, for one person it can be if it's limbs for one person up to uah 50,000 for one yes, maybe be more

plates, external fixation devices, um, um, uh, um, those things that i put, i won't do now. well, now you are showing external fixation devices - this is a paraphilizar device, it's not the best option, but there are more progressive ones, uh external fixation devices, but they also have a place to be. yes, here is elizarov's device, show er, yes, these civilian hospitals do not have a budget for er, the purchase of what is necessary, so of course they turn to me and say, yes, we have it, we have debt in debt from the supplier, they took the plate because we need it it was carried out - they carried out an operation uh, they took a loan, if you can, please finish eating, close the question, of course

, i am forced to join and am forced to close the issue uh, with these plates and with everything else it's the 23rd year and i don't know what the civilian hospital receives for the next year and whether the budget for the next year includes the treatment of the wounded in civilian hospitals or in specialized hospitals of the fourth level of the day for medical assistance, i don't know about this didn't see it if it's not again predicted, we must again understand that in the 23rd year we will have the same story with the underfunding of civilian hospitals and hospitals of the fourth level of providing medical care, this is what we are talking to you about now, and while we were talking with oksana, we have four problems at once and they are so urgent that they need to be solved right now because in our country 4 but let's go let's talk about the basic training of fighters yes to medical aid to medical aid this is the

first, the first and most important problem because in otherwise they won't be able to help themselves on the battlefield they won't be able to help uh not my fantasies when i tell you i understand i just want now i want to lead to just record the importance of this training i uh 80% is on my fantasies are standard nato, if a fighter is trained, 80% survival on the battlefield is pre-medical . see this is the first problem. the second problem is sanitary equipment , which is not available, which oksana voiced about what it's impossible, then there aren't these jeeps that can take a wounded soldier out of the battlefield, that's right,

yes, you asked me a question, you just didn't focus on it, you know, there are a lot of such requests, well, listen, well, you know this, yesterday i received 23 messages, take care no, it’s really a problem. especially since now it’s at zero. what was oksana talking about? there’s porridge under your feet, you understand. it hasn’t frozen yet. they say it’s impossible to drive there with anything but a specialized car, which can come if it’s a specialized one. the car doesn't arrive, then let's immediately say to ourselves, let's not have any fantasies, we lose the 300th, it becomes the 200th, yes. some family will not receive a father, a son, a husband, and so on. this is a huge problem. this is a really huge problem. i confirm oksana's words. that on the front line, the

majority of evacuation vehicles are vehicles that were purchased for e with public funds by a volunteer and that were able to accumulate and transfer e- e. they break, uh, the rubber needs to be changed, because once again i say cough underfoot, it’s true, and if the evacuation uh, emergency vehicle didn’t reach the place where it was called, then let’s be honest and tell ourselves that there will be 200 instead of three hundred, the next problem is that we have given what you said is that no one takes military personnel from the stabilization points of these pre-schools, this is another problem. this is the third one we have counted. well, let's do it, no, no one

takes it . the mode is fine in e-e, we have to solve these problems in manual mode. and let's also understand. at this stage, yes. if we are talking about the problem, let's understand what at this stage if a person who is in a support hospital and there it takes hours if she is not transferred to a specialized i can get a hospital in the specialized hospitals here in kyiv, and it has already happened, you understand that, i am not inventing any hypotheses , yes, i am not making any hypotheses. vyhovyriyu excuse me for such slang, he was wounded, and then when he received it in kyiv, he was already talking about amputation or talking about the fact that some kind of organ, i'm sorry, is no longer functioning and we will receive, you know, i know why i constantly

i'm going back to the nato standards, because it 's all calculated there, you know, they count, they're calculated, the whole thing and uh. look, if you don't move the wounded person in time, yes, from point a to point b, from the reference hospital to a specialized hospital and a person loses a limb, for example yes, the americans have to, then, prosthetics, and then adaptation and socialization, and the long-term future life of this person is a significant amount of money, so in america, in nato standards, only in america, in nato standards, there is such a concept the first hour of the golden hour is when uh, from the moment of injury to the moment of receiving medical

aid, not to medical medical aid, it should be an hour and then fork, evacuation should take place very quickly, ladies, given, let's go now, for now . we have time, we will be able to add to our on the air and also saida ismagilova - this is a military paramedic, we managed with him, that's it, that's it, sayid i welcome you today on our airwaves, good day, glory to ukraine, glory to heroes, everything goes to us, here we had oksana korchynska, but unfortunately she had to save now wounded soldiers who are to be delivered to its stabilization point, and we are discussing the current problem with the evacuation of wounded fighters from the front. and i certainly want to address you with a question first , because we have several points that the ministry of defense of

ukraine and the general staff certainly need the attention of this training, the first point is training for medical soldiers so that they can provide self-help at the front and help their fellow soldiers. to the country, how effective is the training and how high-quality are you, how well are the fighters prepared and know how to do it, you know, i asked the first question in general, to what extent were they given such courses ? they conduct uh, we know that, but how effective are these courses already here? another question is that i myself have a question about and

in the structures of the battalion four. medical care, and i also took a course there, are these courses held or are they held in the armed forces of ukraine? i don’t know, but after talking with nurses from various military units from medical schools, they talked about the fact that they conducted such courses for soldiers courses and told me at least how to set up a tournament. of course, some soldiers understand this and listen very carefully. some think that this will not happen to them. and in general . in the people themselves who are studying in the students

if the student takes those instructions seriously before that instruction he will be prepared for a critical situation at the front if a person if a person himself does not pay attention to this in a critical situation if he or a brother gets injured er, this soldier may not be ready to provide medical aid, this is directly related to my opinion, so i believe that all soldiers of the armed forces of ukraine need to be taught this, because they brought us wounded people with improperly applied tourniquets and badly applied tourniquets and such wounded who tried to provide medical aid to their comrades, but did not know how to do it. because of this there was a lot of blood loss, there were fraternal losses. and that is the very training of soldiers

of the armed forces of ukraine in medical aid courses in fact, medicine is a very important point , and in the case of a real war, we have not had an imaginary war for many years now, but a real war, and in a real war, it is no longer just a joke, it is not just some theory. life depends on it, and that is , you want an omnivore to say that after all, our soldiers are not ready to provide this first aid at the front because either they did not learn what they were taught or maybe someone somewhere was confused and could not do it correctly, i want to say that you misunderstood me, there are different cases there are cases when soldiers know how to use tourniquets, there are hemostatic hemostatic bandages, bandages, everything else, there are cases when people do not know how

to use them, they do not know how to properly apply , for example, the same tourniquet to stop the bleeding, so it is impossible to generalize . that well, unfortunately, i do not know how to use it yet , there is literally very little time left. please tell me if we even have a couple of medics and combat medics at the front. the front lines, everything depends on different military units , there are some brigades where there are enough paramedics , there are such patients, when there are not enough. and the hut itself, which also works as part of the hospital battalion, where reinforcements are needed, volunteers are always ready to come to the

rescue . paramedic said ismagilov was in touch with us today and it is given yarova is a volunteer p given i thank you and you too and i want to say that we are ready to support you in every way and raise these topics because i think that in one ether we will not be able to do literally everything spread out on the shelves and i would like to hear even more experts, so i suggest that you join our ethers once again . that the war continues and let's not keep ourselves under illusions, i don't think so it will end even in the nearest year, uh, it's a mess, all questions should be set to automatic mode when you don't

need to intervene uh, in manual mode and decide something there, we uh, we can't communicate anymore, because direct ether and time are exhausted . thank you very much, we will, so we raised a difficult topic not for criticism, but for the sake of improvement, because solving a problem always begins with its discussion, so we hope that our discussion today will just start the solution of existing problems that our the program will be seen in the decision-making centers and our experts will be listened to in the ministry of defense at the general staff, because it is about saving the lives of ukrainians and this aspiration unites us all, we will win iryna koval was with you and the health program take care of yourself november 27 lviv stadium ukraine match of the professional football league carpathians vs polissia

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