through this wire and with the help of a modem, there will be access to the internet, e-e, only you can use e-e it in this case as a backup e-e, in peacetime, of course, this technology is too expensive and too uncompetitive to compete with an optical cable or e with rtg b technology, when you have access to the internet in your house or apartment at a speed of 500 mb or 1 gb or faster. thank you, mr. oleksandr. thank you, oleksandr glushchenko. an expert of the telecommunications market was with us. we thank both of our experts, ivan plachkov , the minister of fuel and energy of ukraine joins in 1999-2005, the sixth year, the chairman of the board of the union of the all-ukrainian energy assembly, on ivan

, we welcome you to our broadcast. greetings, good health, good day, sir, we spoke about the old classic means of transmission of information about the old classic corded telephone or the old classic corded radio remember the liar turned it on and it works isn't it profitable not too soon we gave up on i would say these benefits of the old civilization. i'm asking . well, i think that no, not too soon, no one expected it, we must live according to the modern state of development of civilization and so on, but use the new ones. these two are to be received on a foreign system, then to receive old ones. i think that it is not appropriate. it is not appropriate. well, this period is difficult. i think we will survive and we will not return to the features of archeological systems. numin

numbers. i have already read. i inform you that 73% of the mobile network is already works on the territory of ukraine the largest problems of zaporizhzhya and donetsk regions and what can be said about the electrical and thermal networks, in what condition are they now, what percentage of damage and the functioning of the elections have been determined? the level is somewhere around 50-60% eh and especially eh including there is a problem with generation because we know that after the last impact all nuclear plants and thermal power plants were turned off eh the most severe the situation in the central region is the kyiv region and the south is therefore the odesa region

, well, the power industry is restoring the station to the khmelnytskyi region, already the second block of the station will be connected to the networks and to other stations , nagruzka i think somewhere around a week more , and in principle, if there are no new attacks, the situation will stabilize. well, today there is generation. well, we can’t help but transport it due to damaged electrical networks and substation distributors. as for the heat, then well, today the temperatures are more or less like this, there are still no such deep frosts, even where there is electricity, the heat supply system works, well, there are practically no problems with the heat supply system, the

main thing is that there is electricity so that well, the latest information from ukrenergo is that electricity producers currently cover about 75% of consumption needs, well, this is a fairly high figure. it seems to me that it is 75%, well, there is electricity for 3/4, that is, the problem is in that message as of 11:00, ukrenergo has put into operation another nuclear unit, which you mentioned, the capacity is increasing to the planned level and others. thus, electricity producers now cover about 75% of consumption needs, against 25% of electricity is still in deficit, therefore, today in the entire territory of ukraine the consumption restriction mode is in effect, the message says. well, but in some regions, such as kyiv and the region, light is supplied for one, two, three hours a day, that is, there is no.

you take electric power and specially damaged substations, especially the main high-voltage substations, which means that there were hits there, and that is why the power engineers are now restoring, well, there are very big problems , the problems of complacency, almost all the reserve equipment has been used, especially this applies to transformers, powerful transformers that are not in reserve. countries works on a different class of e-e on on on voltage on voltage e because especially high-voltage e-e of high-voltage equipment therefore, it is necessary to attract funds now placing orders in such companies as siemens is some kind of long-term velo-electricity of south korean japanese companies. in order to be able to make all the

units, they are manufactured for about 4-5 months, and some, maybe even six months, in order for us to gradually restore the entire energy system in order to make it, if and to ensure reliable and functioning, because now, for example , why is there an outage, because the substation had three transformers, two were damaged, and one was damaged, and it carries the entire load, and if we have the maximum consumption, it can break down somewhere, burn out or something has happened, that's why the power engineers turn it off in order to unload this transformer. well, today, if the system is very complex, such technical and organizational processes, it's hard to tell about everything. well, i want to assure you. eh, all the energy workers are doing. everything is possible above all possible and they use everything and it is noted as soon as possible

to renew and reduce eh in this term eh outages eh consumers and switch to eh fan outages according to the schedule so that we knew on what period and when will we be without electric power, and such a regime should be applied why? because winter is just starting , we have coal 200 million, this is for an average statistical winter, gas is also 14 billion, so that without such special reserves, therefore, on - it is necessary to save energy resources. yes, we must live in such a clear schedule. we can prepare. what are the most critical scenarios ? how many days after this can i say? well

, there was no blackout since the blackout. this is when the total energy of the system and all generation goes down. there was no complete disconnection. yes, we had protection that saved the power system. some generators worked, for example , in kyiv 35 there were others working with a small number of consumers, and then the energy industry - it was restored and lifting blockades and when everything goes down and to help that everything everything can happen, but we have a very advanced energy system and a defense system. i hope that there will be no more such powerful strikes. i hope and am sure that our anti-missile anti-aircraft defense will strengthen the defense against of these e-e infrastructure objects and we will not reach the

point of a blackout even if all the control equipment and substations are turned off, we work in parallel with the european union national system and at any time we can take electricity for our own needs to raise e- unfortunately, due to our management capacity, we can not import and compensate for about 30%. why? because we take electricity at the borders and it needs to be transported, and we don't have enough power transmission lines, e-e substations in order to transfer that electricity from poland or from romania or from the south of slovakia to the central regions and distribute it to the central region or to the south of the odesa region, mr. ivan well, after all, according to the situation in kyiv and the region, i am just with some of my colleagues i haven't been able to get in touch with communicate for two days already, i'm writing e-e i'm

on the phone there, there's no light, there's no light, they explain that there's no light, that there's no internet. brings regarding the development of the situation in kyiv, please. i think that by monday, er, somewhere, well, monday inclusive, er, we will argue with the main such er, er, destructive er, objects, and er, the situation should stabilize in the city of kyiv, the situation is difficult because er, there is a hit on kirsk thermal power plant-6 and you know the central region. it is very scarce. this happened after we stopped the chernobyl nuclear power plant. in our central region, the volume of er generation is small. this is not enough, so the central region was counting on it. for e 4,000 mw

chernobyl nuclear power plant, that's why the main thing now is to restore the power line crossing the dnieper. there are such high-voltage lines. well, the power plants. i know they work. i'm sure they work around the clock and somewhere already. well, i can begin by the middle of the week . the situation will stabilize. and as for communication, well, the situation is clear. that is, it's not it works, well, i'm sure and i think that we need to strengthen the coordination of the work of the fuel and energy complex in the country. we don't have a single center. the president, who would exclusively deal with the fuel and energy complex, coordinate the work of e-e enterprises, private state companies, interaction with state authorities, local authorities

, it is necessary to make changes to the laws of ukraine, it is necessary to prepare new government resolutions. and we do not have such a person. the office of the president, they coordinate, well, such strategic general issues, that is why i have already said many times that we need a first vice prime minister for the fuel and energy complex. a professional is enough for the opinion that was the online mode on the subconscious mind took decisions very quickly organizational work , including with our western partners to attract e-e funds there world bank, european bank and on the order of coordination of the order of motoblocking at e-enterprises e-e of other countries by the way about foreign our partners and neighbors, our energy system was synchronized literally before the war with the

european one and how it works now. well, it affects, i think our colleagues are not happy with er, this is the mode of operation of our energy system, but they understand everything, they don't, we remain to work in parallel although, er, they can er, but i can say that no, we, you pump our system let's already have our system working at the wrong level of reliability, but they understand it, we work in parallel, they help. i think, uh, after i restored the networks there, such a sufficient amount . in poland you probably remembered

that the second power unit of the khmelnytsky as was connected to the power system, in general, this semi-blackout, if you can call it that, affects the energy security of the nuclear power plants of the khmelnytsky rivne, south ukrainian zaporizhzhya well, well, then we will blame the blackout again, or blackout or no blackout, so that we can say that this is such a large-scale shutdown, reduced load, and so on , eh, as for nuclear plants, yes, for them, the regime was such, it is the design regime, it is the planned regime, but in such critical extreme conditions, and eh the protection system worked in order to keep the mechanical equipment warm, because the purity went down to 46 and 4.46 and there 5 hz, and if it was lower, then we would already

have problems with the turbines with the e-e of the generator . in no country, only in our country the equipment worked , the staff worked, now we are raising it well, what can you say about these uh, our staff and our uh, energy engineers. i think that these regimes will be studied uh and uh in universities for many years to come and will be studied by designers and designers who will be we can develop new systems of energy equipment, we can master the consequences of all these massive shellings that have already taken place, did russia achieve its goal, did it not achieve its goal, russia lost, lost the first world energy war, which one did it start, we , it’s clear, that’s what it started, russia

declared the first world energy war, why did it lose it? what are we seeing already? european countries are worried. well, there is no longer any panic there, how will we survive the winter and so on, the situation has stabilized in terms of gas and er oil prices more or less er the only thing is going on like this in us in ukraine. i don’t know they have such a heated phase of the war, but in ukraine they destroy everything, but they won’t be able to do it, we will restore it, we will endure it, we will wait there if it is necessary somewhere from everyone but but not soon i remembered them and the metal in them leave us the disciplines of electricity to make panic social tension and the result is the opposite we are

more united more pike and tuned in direct in connection with our studio, the former minister of energy of ukraine, mr. ivan, thank you for your comment, we are moving on. and, uh, we will continue with mykhailo kolisnyk, professor of the kyiv school of economics, congratulations, mr. mykhailo, congratulations. good afternoon, friends, ivan plachkov very interestingly formulated that russia announced the first the world energy war has already been lost because we were the ones. this is what will happen and business, including, apparently, what is happening now. well, some people in kyiv say that on thursday or the fourth day, there will be no power, and how will business in what is happening here survives these conditions, well, look , on the one hand, it must be said that it is

difficult for business models at the moment of time. it would be necessary to connect the intellect a little, think a little and not start the first energy war, realizing that you will lose it anyway, in fact , the question of what exactly is a loss in this war, mr. mykhailo, and who will be the beneficiary of this this loss is also a question, i don't think that it is unlikely that ukraine itself will become a beneficiary, maybe some third countries and third positions and third economies that are now waiting for what is this matter, it will all end, it is obvious that in reality there will be those who will benefit more from it, there will be those who will benefit from it will win less, well, i would now focus on the fact that in peter's garden, carrots

grow more than in ours, for example, in the mouth that in some third country it will win more, i would look at our business, i would understand that of course the energy crisis is hitting him pretty hard, but you know that. talking with my friends from the business, i mostly come across constructive ways to help myself at this moment in time. did not say that everything is so bad for me mykhailo but then tell me what is happening with business in kyiv and the kyiv region and in general throughout ukraine how can business work under such conditions when there is light there for 3 hours a day, for example how it's bad for business yes, oh, complain like that, the

americans once taught me that never give up , never complain, so in this case, let's just state the facts of what is happening, and then try to figure out how to get out of them, and complaining is such a third thing, see well, first of all, many businesses are energy-dependent, which means that there is an interruption in the energy supply. well, for example, if you are an incubator and grow eggs, it can be. actually, the problem is that there are businesses in which electricity cannot be turned off at all, even if medicine is considered ours business, but you have already seen and there were reports that surgeons perform operations on generators, and in fact, many businesses do not have to stop their activities and turn on uninterruptible power sources from an economic point of view, unfortunately, these are all temporary power sources, they leak the cost of a kw-hour that is more expensive than the cost of what we buy from the network , which means that the business bears additional costs,

additional variable costs, we will say yes, and in fact, in addition, a large part of the business has to lose money as part of your so-called fixed costs well, for example, a restaurant mainly keeps food stocks, these food stocks are stored in refrigerators, and you understand that no visitor may come to the restaurant, and the refrigerator will consume electricity. and if that electricity disappears, if there is no uninterrupted source of energy then significant losses will be incurred, why will the products that were stored there spoil, plus it will be necessary to look for investments for the purchase of new products for working capital new we will have to look for it. therefore, in this way, fixed costs are increasing and additional investments are required. thirdly, no one, in fact, before, and in yours, most businesses had to provide themselves with uninterrupted sources for such things as

playout, which means the purchase of generators or an attempt to solve somehow the problem of uninterrupted energy supply with the help of other technical means and battery power banks, this is also the additional capital investment that the business must make, this is also their break-even point and now the fourth focus is business income, and when people know that business works irregularly, when they understand in principle that a cafe can be open, it can be closed, just like a shop or a hairdresser or some other option, then the flow of people who come here and who bring their money brings income and so wartime is actually a business development perspective for her is quite limited for a large part of the business and so on. here a very simple situation arises not only that the fixed costs have risen as i have already i said that investments have increased, investments have increased

, incomes have also fallen, all this reduces the operational interval in which a business can survive and exist , so some businesses will automatically close now. i repeat, despite all these factors that i mentioned, when talking to businesses , i mostly meet people who are optimistic by nature, but not so long ago, for example, in the barbershop where i got a haircut, they just told me that we bought generator, we couldn't pull it ourselves , we bought it in a warehouse with a nearby cafe, as a result, now with electricity, if anything and we will be a nearby cafe, and i am happy. it is so positive. if you want the mood of people in this regard, they are considered as inconveniences , but they do not depress the word, but since we

bought a generator that increased in price by almost two to two and a half times in connection with the crisis, now we will pour you a hint of scottish and ukrainian moonshine in the barbershop because of this year but not moonshine in this case, uh, the prices will rise, but in addition to that, as i already said, the number of people who visit will fall . of consumers. do you think there will be significant growth in our country? well, the forecast seems to be 30% inflation by the end of the year. well, by the end of the year. so, will this massive power outage increase this figure by 30%? there are 31-32-35 of the connection with electricity and the need to produce this one energy with generators and not take from the network, you know, for christmas this year, some have already called 30% of those and more for next year. also, it

probably won't be enough, but the effect is the growth of electricity inside, i would say so, everything in the world, relations yes, it is significant. but there are larger factors that will create a significantly greater impact on inflation. well, for example, the need to wage war, the need to bear additional costs in the military sector, and also in proportion to the development of other industries , they cause inflation to be much greater in fact yes, electricity is already such a background that is added to all that, i would, but on the other hand, cafes that have generators are now very popular, yes, somewhere there is even a small cafe in the park in the city that lights up and people go there who do not have generators, they are on the contrary like magnets, relatively you can understand that because the population, especially those that have left the country, i mean refugees, it

generally has a negative effect on the gdp of the country, and therefore that is what business well can call to itself main visitors, the generator is working, this is of course a good thing but is this number of visitors increasing, believe me, the number of visitors is not increasing at the moment, i am simply interviewing businesses as i have conducted research and at the moment, see what is happening , and there is economic growth. by the way, paradoxically, in countries armenia and georgia, because a lot of russians came there and they spend money there, so their economic growth turned out to be economic decline in us in connection with the war due to the fact that people consume less goods, and the economic decline is due to the fact that there are fewer people, the economic decline and if we take for example the western regions of the country, at first there was an increase in business because part of the people moved here and now there is also

a certain lull why because those who responded to calls to go there warmly in warm regions, i.e. to the west, it was heard even further outside the borders of the country. and some returned to their conquered regions, and as a result, now, for example , even in western ukraine, business is not very good is growing strongly what to advise a business to survive what to advise a business to survive try with all your might to think what the client might want now don't wait for anyone's help as they say from the side do what the client needs so maybe some practical things how to prepare for even greater loads prepare for even greater burdens, they will obviously be all this temporarily and sooner or later it will pass, that's what i can actually say, mr. mykhailo, well, anyway, i think everyone is already thinking about what

will happen after the war, which direction exactly ukrainian production services market to develop which we think will be the most promising in addition to the production of building materials mixes there and and age so for houses in addition to this building, that is, the construction industry is calm for it, what else should businesses now pay attention to after the war, the circulation of money in the economy, it mainly takes place without obstacles, which means that as the industries you mentioned will collapse, the beloved industries that serve the infrastructure will also begin to grow and begin to recover uh, fast enough, that is, the economy will start , you know how a motor in a generator has to be pulled well by the string, pour in money and the motor will start, it will spin, then everything will start to work. bleka ot we were told

to speak correctly during uh-uh difficulties with electricity and long blackouts in our country. it's almost 4 p.m. so please light our 16th please 4:00 p.m. we all light a memory candle uh-uh and we remember every victim of the famine made by the stalinist regime, well, in essence, russia, which is still killing us, does not come out, please light a memorial candle. and in this way, we all together remember the ukrainians who were tortured for being killed by hunger in the 30s years of the last century , we will have a moment of silence after a break, yes. please tell us, orientate, because it got a little confusing at 4:00 p.m., a moment of silence. and now we are going to a break