therefore, today we honor the memory of all those ukrainians who died 90 years ago as a result of the holodomor planned by russia and organized by the russian bolshevik forces in ukraine, which is and was a genocide against the entire ukrainian people , which continues and continues after 90 years. a new era of genocide of the targeted killing of the ukrainian people by the russians, the methods of uh, well, stalin's methods are almost repeated, putin's regime repeats almost the same methods. people thought well, how can this be? well, now we have seen in 2022. how can this be, how can a country in the center of europe kill the civilian population and, well, the world has already moved on, and all processes continue, the world lives its own life, it only concerns us or this is an existential question for our

people , well, they are helping, and for that we thank you. association of the ukrainian center for social development igorreyterovych is already with us igor, we congratulate you . good day, please tell me, this is the first time we remember the victims of the holodomor, already during the new wave of russian terror, like now somehow. do you think the attitude has changed? the attitude of ukrainians by this date has definitely changed and, well, an example of this is the sociological polls that were recently conducted, the vast majority of ukrainian citizens have an unambiguous

attitude to the holodomor, they recognize it as genocide of the ukrainian people if we used to have certain disagreements, there was a large enough group of people who said that not everything was so clear-cut or they did not want to accept the studies that were carried out already during the independence of our state, now we see that there are almost no such people left, people really well , they are interested in this topic, probably all the previous work that was carried out both by our historians and to some extent by individual political forces worked here. and the war with the russian federation is a large-scale invasion. it seems to me that this understanding is more strengthened. that is, to this day, we have uh. it seems to me that there is a consensus in society regarding this issue, and the second very important point is that you should pay attention to how the opinion of many other countries and the world community has changed, including that of the world community. well, well . i understand that maybe the word is not very suitable, but you cannot call the parade of recognitions in principle this holodomor as a genocide of the ukrainian people, and

it seems to me that it continues and will not end. more and more countries will join this positions and well, sooner or later it will become dominant, first of all, in the historical narrative and everyone will understand what happened here in ukraine and which country this is a very important moment, it actually provoked it because what they did during actually three famines in ukraine, they are by and large they are calculating and now when they steal our grain, they burn it, and they try to drive the ukrainians away from cold , hunger and other troubles. the executive director of the institute of world politics, yevgeny, joins us. good day. congratulations, congratulations. glory to ukraine the bundestag is already ready to recognize as genocide what happened in ukraine 70 90 years ago, when they will vote, we do not yet know how to react to this advice of recognition as ihor reiterovich called and who else can recognize that ihor is right in

the sense that this parade of recognitions well, of course, you can look for a better wording, but the fact remains that this is the political position of european politicians, and i think that the recognition of the holodomor as a genocide of ukrainians carried out by the russians in the soviet union is a very revealing fact for our identity and for the formation of our foreign policy subjectivity , because ukrainian politicians emphasized that the soviet government did not just kill millions of our compatriots with hunger, but it killed the desire for independence. in this way, stalin destroyed the possible resistance of the ukrainian peasantry to the soviet models of collectivization, he actually destroyed in this way the basis for the peasant uprisings

that took place in dnipro ukraine in the 20s and early 30s. well, i would say extremely widespread and very influential if i'm not mistaken. this frankfurt argaming predicts that even on november 30 in the bundestag they can vote to recognize the holodomor as genocide. that is, i would say this is a very serious break in european politics in general and in this context. of the belarusian opposition, led by svitlana tikhanovskaya, this is also, i think , evidence that the local politicians associate themselves with europe and react accordingly, that is, this is their embodiment of the slogan get away from moscow, well europe

it should be noted that it supported ukraine from the first days of the full-scale invasion, some countries actively helped us in the 14th year, but ihor would like this support not only to be concentrated within the borders of europe, but also to spread to the countries of latin america, the countries of africa and countries of the asian continent , the pacific region, and with this we have certain problems, how will we be able to break through this ice of misunderstanding of what is happening in ukraine who here is the real aggressor who killed himself and who is defending its independence and its right to the existence of its nation well, it seems to me that there are three key components, this is primarily the activity of our diaspora, which is located in these countries. yes, we see that in some countries it is more active and it can influence the adoption of similar decisions in the second moment - of course, this is the work of our diplomatic departments here,

unfortunately, we have to say that there are problems and the problems are objective not because our diplomats do not work well, just the history of some european countries shows that diplomats are very good know how to work and defend our position, but it is simply the fact that in many countries, in the regions you listed, we either do not have normal diplomatic missions at all , or they function according to the residual principle, that is, there are no services assigned to them. well, all those people who should including such issues, and the third point is clear, which is logical, because it was against the background of the war that is currently taking place, one way or another, that these issues should also be organically incorporated when we communicate with representatives of the countries of latin america and asia , africa, for africans, it seems to me that the topic of hunger can be very relevant in general, since they suffer from it to this day and they perfectly understand how some empires previously there, in the 19th century, the 20th century, they arranged for them, accordingly, such artificial famines this topic

can come in, but it should be given a lot of attention. we currently see quite a lot of such attempts, and here it works to a greater extent, you know, people's diplomacy, if possible . to say the effort through our diaspora or among science through scientists is a very important point to spread these narratives somewhere well and to a certain extent to defend them well and the last point there should be some kind of general domestic policy regarding the politics of memory and historical politics in us, of course, not everything is like that bad, but let's be honest, it could have been much better, like in recent years, even before the start of a large-scale invasion. and this war shows that it is largely a war based on history, because putin started it er, on the basis of some completely inadequate historical narratives, and therefore we must, including the refutation of these narratives, and for the future pay considerable attention abroad and money for this, well, at least, don’t regret it, yes. that is, they must be spent, we must explain our position and everything must be

done so that in many countries you do know the ukrainian view on history, especially on such issues that are fundamentally important for us , that is, all the countries that are now listed on the screen have worked hard to be able to take this position now it is necessary to spread this experience to other countries. unfortunately, among these countries, there are none for asian countries, for example, latin american countries, no arab countries. unfortunately, there is no p yevgeny, your comment, how can we reach arab countries to asian countries, please, we need to look for common values ​​here, in fact there is no know-how, but common values ​​that will allow us to talk about the value of human life and that regardless of how the supreme deity is played in one or another country , no one has the right to take a person's life

especially in such a terrible way as the holodomor was, but you know. i think that now mr. games already said today that in ukraine there is already a consolidated position of ukrainian society, consolidated to a large extent due to the russian invasion, which is large-scale and it is like a litmus test in itself manifested itself in various current manifestations, but what i want to say is that in fact there is no universal recipe, we need to enter into a dialogue with everyone if the asian sinking minister of foreign affairs dmytro kuleb took place for the first time in the years of independence, the african tour - please give it. it is clear that this is a rather difficult problem, that is, ukraine is currently

solving the issue of military-technical cooperation, this is our obvious priority, but laying a basement is a different way. we have it today as well. thank you. there is one good news that i don't think they talked about on the air today, another exchange of prisoners of war took place in ukraine, 12 people were freed, the head of the presidential axis, andriy yarmak, said, among them were four soldiers of the ministry of internal affairs, two among the border guards, there was one non-combatant, as well as three civilian spouses and a husband who were considered missing from the military, two officers, as well as seven privates and sergeants , the soldiers who defended mariupol, in particular, the state of emergency and the snake island, are going home. well, in general, over the last

week, ukraine was able to free 98 ukrainians. here is such nice information, activation in the process of dismissal, this process, he likes silence, but this is good news. personally, we know that it was relatively recently that the state government began to deal with this in the first place, as far as i know. well, this information is more or less open, and they are actively involving volunteers and representatives of our lawyers in this process in order to verify the lists as much as possible there and enter into some negotiations regarding of this exchange, plus i do not rule out that such activation, well, to a certain extent, may be related to those issues that the russian federation is otherwise trying to raise. well, let's remember those conversations there about the meeting where they discussed the exchange of all for all, but at the same time, russia wanted to gain access to the transportation of its raw materials to a certain extent, and to start there, well

, the appropriate processes, and uh, this should be treated absolutely normally, if we have any opportunity somewhere, let us even reduce the sanctioned pressure on russia, but this will allow us to return all our prisoners. i think this will be a very right step, a very right decision , which, firstly, will be positively perceived by society, and secondly, it will once again just to confirm the fact that for us this issue is the issue of the return of our fellow citizens is an issue, well, the key issue is the issue of values, by and large, this is what we are fighting for, including so that all our people who are alive can return home, therefore, i do not rule out that the system is more or less already established, the system is not, no, not so public, not so open, but here we need to be understanding and better. factual information, when our people return there, who will comment on it and who will pass it off as their victory? i think that after our general victory, we

will know for sure who was involved in this, who was responsible for it, and history, as they say, all the dots are not see, be sure to post, this is a video of the last exchange, as a result of which 12 ukrainians returned to their families, returned to ukraine, this is great news today, on this sad day of the anniversary of the ukrainian genocide, the holodomor of the ukrainian nation there is another operative information from belarus, the minister of foreign affairs of this country, volodymyr makey, his name was reported by the belt agency with reference to the press secretary of the department, anatoliy glaz, i.e., the press secretary of the ministry of foreign affairs of belarus, the minister of foreign affairs of the belarusians, volodymyr makey , died suddenly. the details are not reported. makiya was born on august 5, 1958 in nekrashevychy, gorodnytsia oblast, that is, he was 64. if i counted correctly and he is interesting, he was the head of the ministry of foreign affairs of belarus from august 12, that is

10 years unchanged minister of foreign affairs of the republic of belarus yevhen, please, well, i can say two words about the exchange, and about belarus, i already wanted to ask you how stable the political, political, military situation in our neighbor is now, please - please, mr. yevhen, we are one from the few factors that go, the fuck russia beats more or less humane as far as it can be said well , it does not show it to ukraine, it shows it to the outside world if you read the messages of the russian propaganda media such as ria in the news, their ministry of defense writes that the number of states that are in mortal

danger in the ukrainian plan is returning home, that is, this is always the refrain , but regarding the death of makey, i would say that this is very interesting news against the background of the fact that they are starting to talk about possible different conspiracies in belarus , the overthrow of the lukashenka regime is possible here, it is necessary to understand that vladimir makey well, you know how such an expression was in the soviet union, it fluctuated with the party line, that is, when it was in principle taka installation, he tried to conduct a dialogue with the european union when it was not there, then, accordingly , he did not try to do it, and here, for example, in the spring of this year, mckay sent letters to all his

colleagues from the european union with a proposal to lift sanctions and start a dialogue, but he did not receive any response. i think that there will be a lot of conspiracy theories around this death, because this person really, literally, recently gave an interview , was an active political player, really, such an unexpected sudden death is uh and uh conspiracy theories will be here. i would say conspiracy theories will prevail in the analysis of the causes of his death, and again, this is a position where lukashenko will obviously appoint a successor to the minister of foreign affairs, and this will also be a criterion for how much this performer, this official,

will have in his biography . let's say curtsy in the direction of the russian federation or the west, the word in moscow is already reactions to the death of the head of belarus vladimir makei, maria zakharova wrote about it, but she promised the details later upheavals, but still there was one statement. well, more precisely, it is not an unofficial statement. angela merkel, who is already the ex-chancellor of germany, said that she did not have enough influence, that is, she did not have enough influence to dissuade putin from war, such and such was the message from her. mr. igor, well, why are we saying this now, mrs. merkel, we remember that there may be no influence, but we had joint projects, nord stream-2, and there was a dialogue about what it was, well, this is just the case when it was probably better to remain silent than to say that i understand that she is trying to justify herself and show why

this is happening today and not otherwise and why she could not somehow change or stop it there, after all, there are questions for her now, and there are quite a lot of questions, and these questions are also asked by representatives of her political forces for which she was clearly the leader and for many germans she remained one of the best chancellors there, that's all clear, but you know these uncomfortable questions, they needed these answers, she did it in this way. it seems to me that the method is very unsuccessful because, well, one simple question immediately follows what she said. and if you could n't, let's say, somehow stop it, or how she said that putin only loves force and we couldn't demonstrate it then, then why did n't she say it directly and she did not point out to the entire european union that there is no influence on it anymore and that it is necessary to prepare for the worst , she probably hoped that somehow the situation would break down by itself and not so that putin would actually do it, so probably for him it is for her

to a certain extent, it became a shock. well, she is now trying to somehow explain her position , the position of such a peacemaker, which, in her opinion and in the opinion of representatives of many european countries , surely, well, at a certain stage, she would have worked. if there had not been a big war, the situation was more or less settled, but now well, it turns out that everything she did not do, she simply postponed this great war to a certain extent, and she must now approach it in a different way and explain it, but if i repeat it to you, it turned out mildly saying not very well, and it would have been better if she had not stated that it was possible at all, but simply said that well, we were all very wrong, or he doesn't know us there? well, he deceived us, it sounds very naive, but we didn't believe it until the end, and that's how it happened and these excuses are actually more against her and more in general against the position of germany as such, because now the new government will have to unravel all of this, so it’s a shame to take a completely different position on all those issues of which she

used to be the leader, it turned out so inconvenient yevgeny magda, indeed, merkel tried to convince putin to refuse. do you think that none of the politicians had 100 percent putin's plans for the invasion of ukraine and, accordingly, the escalation? merkel made her contribution during the operation of the normandy four, and well, i don't think she should be blamed for that. that the normandy four turned out to be ineffective , it just turned out to be ineffective. because putin did n't really want to negotiate with anyone on anything, we have to come out of it. merkel always came out, you know there is such a popular saying to be holier than the pope of rome, that is, as a native of east germany,

she tried to implement the policy of a united germany, so that there would never be any complaints against her, and i think of her, if you can say so, her position was always completely so 100% german, that's why merkel is now me i think, after all, with her statements, she is looking for a place for the next term, since the term of the european commission or the term of, let's say, the position of secretary general of the united nations is in no way in the fight for a new turn for the position of chancellor in germany, she was already there for a record amount of time, that is, i think that she is now

itching to return to the chancellor's office, well, of course, after olaf leaves, something , colleagues, well, and one more issue i want to discuss with you the day before yesterday, thursday, the minister of energy of the european union yes and did not agree on setting the upper limit of the price of russian gas, they will hold a new meeting in december, as i understand it, so far no common common denominator has been found in the price of russian oil different countries different numbers and sums of this price are called whether there will be any joint agreement between the countries of the european union regarding the upper price ceiling for russian oil and gas. i am asking igor for your word, well, on oil, i think that in the near future , after all, this decision will be made because there is currently the most important the consensus is that it is tre well that this ceiling should be introduced, the question really lies in the price here, the poles of the baltic countries

usually speak out. federation, but even that price yesterday they say 60-65 yes, but here is an interesting point that even 65 is, well, the price at which it is actually being sold now, and it is not very profitable for russia , because it is near there, well there $20, it seems, is being transported and about $40 directly, well, the extraction of this, let's say , oil, so if they even set such a price, it will no longer bring any surplus profits to the russian federation, this must be clearly understood. in addition, there may be some new ones competitors which will begin to displace it and due to this will be able to completely throw this market out there in the long run, because the talks about oil are being conducted, there is a consensus that regarding the fact that the ceiling should be accepted, this is a big positive. i think that we will definitely get a decision on this matter in december for gas, the situation is more complicated, i am more

inclined to think that they will postpone this issue, well , at least until next year, and the supply will be like this, we have done a great deal, we have established a ceiling on oil . and we will talk about gas later, because there are different horseshoes, i heard such a figure even at €30 per barrel - this is even less, it is an even lower price. poland is really trying to harm the russian economy in every possible way, but in this process, i am more interested in the fact that, in general, the european union has started a dialogue about the energy policy in relation to russia itself from the position of strength from the position of offensive this is a very interesting trend because, well, you know, in the conditions when 27 countries are negotiating with each other and trying to

develop a common position, i would say that this is an indicator of such political courage and the inevitability of the fact that energy relations with russia for european soybeans is for me forever, if not, then everything, in this case, i understand the ukrainian war and this. in my opinion, the most important thing is what is currently in this process. reiterovych, head of political and legal programs, ukrainian center for social development. thank you to both of our guests, let's move on. of the holodomor of the genocide of ukraine and the wife of the famous historian jayso mason, we congratulate you, mrs. natalya, and we will join you, we hear from

you. the date in our country is determined in the conditions of a full-scale war. well, i wonder if new meanings have appeared, a new vision of the terror that was 90 years ago, mrs. natalya , in my opinion, all this is very predictable, of course such a scale and with what scale russia is advancing on ukraine with this buzovir destruction of our cities, our villages, our people, of course it causes horror , but all this is foreseen here, i somehow

caught your air with the edge of my ear it is unlikely that putin himself is aware of the ultimate goal. i think that they all realize the ultimate goal of all russian leaders. vladyk was the only one to expand the land. expansion of the lands of james moses called the ancient instinct to devour that in tsarist russia, that under soviet russia, hmm, er, communist russia, and that now, allegedly, er, with the label of democratic russia, it is all charged with the sole

expansion and reproduction of the empire, we are dealing with a territorial war where people don't matter, let the desert matter, but let the desert, let it be without people, let it poison the uh, but the more land we grab, the more we grab the land, and uh, the reasons for the famine and the reasons for today's russian-ukrainian war are the same, not uh the origins are the same hmm er here er is that er the fact that today it has gained a lot of publicity and we just the world knows about it should have the opportunity to react in the 33rd year in the 21st year 46th 47th year world