n- no one kidnapped them there and did not force them to vote for russia and i also want to say that it is not for nothing that some people got the impression that kherson is so pro-russian to what extent is the city because we must not forget the fact that there are a lot of boarding houses in the kherson region, and our black sea, the sea of ​​azov, for many years there, until the 13th year, received a lot of visitors from russia and belarus, and actually from the owners and all those involved in these - this business they have developed such a good relationship with the russians because they they come and bring a lot of money, it was like that until the 13th year. then, of course, you took such a positive angle of view. and i would ask. and what were the arguments of the collaborators, but they go there, that

stream mouse, there are some chesaldos. they had something, if they had to convince something to say something, there are some positives, there are some beauties, some candies, some flowers of rosyatskaya, and all this, what kind of logic did these people have, i will tell you this, you know, why do they use violence on you, because i will simply show you one example of what i actually witnessed, in addition to the fact that is bloggers like me began to be kidnapped from their homes, and people who, ah, worked in government institutions continued to work, they were also kidnapped from their homes, put a black bag on their heads, tied with tape and taken away, and i myself was a witness to this , but i was still a witness such a story when on june 1, children's protection day, when russia on all

its channels told how kherson region celebrates children's protection day, my friend and i, she has a five-year-old boy, went to our drama theater, where there were posters that there was a holiday for for children, and we wanted to see, you know, what they are doing there for children, and you know, they didn't let us in. that is, there were a lot of military personnel, i counted more than 50 military personnel, who completely surrounded the city of our drama theater, they brought buses there about 10 buses and arrivals of people we don't know, probably it's crimea, maybe someone else, i won't confirm because i don't know a-- but kids and people we don't know, they were filming some kind of movie or something there, they gave some gifts to some kids and

i was standing with my friend and her boy, and our kherson people were standing somewhere, there was a man of 6, who was just wondering how it was all happening, and you know that they asked us to leave so that there would be no problems, that is, they came to us and said what do you need, well, that is it was like this, you know the claim, we said we have children, you can get them gifts, they just showed it like that and automatically pushed us out so that we wouldn’t stand in that thick one , that is, that we wouldn’t be able to pass any, that is, all this illusory uh, let’s say, support for the russian the authorities in the kherson region are also going through a dictatorship because of threats, because i am the owner of a cafe and i have a lot of businessmen i know, whose restaurants and cafes were forced to close

. it is written that if we come to your place, please speak to us in russian, or your cabinets may burn down, or something like this will happen. laughed. and the next day, we have such a nostalgic cafe, the nestalgi restaurant, it burned down, why did part of this restaurant burn down, because the waitresses there speak russian, i know all the girls, and when the russian military passed, they simply asked, well, if they want to pay, but in russian soldier and they said, please , in russian, we don't understand yours, and the waitress - this is my friend, she smiled and said that you will be in ukrainian, that is, unbreakable. the next day, information about everything went around

kherson was indeed found, half of the restaurant burned down, well, there must be something there, some kind of work , ms. anastasia, i’m sorry, there’s not much time, we still have a lot to discuss, hold on, people of kherson, wait. tell the people of kherson and the armed forces of ukraine that i have an irresistible desire to come next summer at least for a week in kherson oblast to rest as usual. therefore, it is necessary to dismiss and expel the katsaps from our native kherson oblast. we will talk about drones, but before that, just a few words i will paint you such a picture about the fact that there are very interesting people in the kherson region, and they are very kind, sometimes you are surprised to have that uh gossip in the denominator. i would say that there were a lot of pro-russian people

there, i would always travel wherever i was vacationing there in europe or on the mediterranean sea. i always came for three to five to 10 to 20 days. sometimes to kherson oblast. well, it is a rich region - it is a rich land, a huge number of ukrainians there grow tomatoes and tomatoes and onions and watermelons and melons and everything in the world on both sides of the roads so you can drive to buy, i drove by and there, grandfather, grandfather, such a grandfather , such an old man is completely sitting, and he has such delicious kherson onions, and blue and white, and in such packages, and what is so big and so average and so bigger than average and so big so huge and i say and how is it with you? yes, everything is for this and for this, both small and large. what are you? it would be a lot of work for you. he looked at me as if i were a fool and said, well, we must

respect our customers, we are going to europe, it was 10 years ago there was not even a war in donbas and crimea was still ukrainian. here is the position of a rural village uncle who simply sells his results of his work to people on the street, but he has already thought that someone needs a little, someone more, someone even more, and we need to take care of these people, this is how it is done in civilized countries yuriy kasiyanov, commander of the units of the drone unit of the intelligence of the armed forces of ukraine, i hope we will be in touch. yes, good health, mr. yuriy, it is nice to see you. thank you for taking the time on saturday, and look at what i would like to see to ask, you are engaged in drones, it means that you are such a person of the 21st century, and your colleagues all

fought with shells in the 20th century, and at 9:00 p.m. we already see that and what will happen next? the future so generals will just sit in the headquarters and there will be unmanned soldiers and some robotic unmanned aircraft soldiers unmanned submarines and surface boats, that is, the war of the future is a war of generals without people or how it might look from your professional point of view you tell me it's a kind of game of chess, yes , our generals are sitting, our technicians are sitting, the generals are playing chess, actually, the war is eh-eh-eh 1,000 years ago and 2,000 years ago and 10,000 years ago and 100

years ahead it will be the same the task of war is to kill the enemy and while the enemy is alive, he resists until the enemy loses his fighting spirit, i have you , he resists, that's why the allies bombed germany, germany bombed london, and the americans bombed japan, including nuclear weapons and supplies are one for the first time in history precisely in order to force the enemy to surrender, so let's not be so naive, let's not think that the war of the future is a war of some kind of robots. interesting, but at this time, robots are fighting in the sky, on earth, in the sea, under water, there will definitely be and

will be more and more, but the main task of robots has been and remains how am i strely there a stone ax i don't know what else there is, uh, single- shot weapons yes, but it's all the same as killing the enemy, that's why people don't go anywhere, people just kill each other. how strange it sounds. что мы убиваем себе быходы help me, i'm sorry, just look, we 're talking about drones, the newest components of war, if you can put it that way, i have such an impression, it's theoretical, i'm not an expert, what if victory is the future on the side of ukraine, because the russians

well, everything is just behind, if they buy something from the iranians, they tell me that they didn’t hear me. i’m sorry, the panels will already hear me, i’m something, oh something, i clicked in the wrong place, i’m sorry, that is, if the not-the-most-developed country of russia has friends from the not-the-most-developed the countries of iran, and this russia takes some drones and weapons from iran, and in return, ukraine itself receives it, how do you prove it and takes all this in england, a whole lot of germans in america? well, in short, ukraine, who obviously live in the 21st century, unlike the russians, who well, some they wish for the 20th, some for the 19th, some believe that in the

17th, the potential of ukraine is stronger, stronger, more like this. well, can we be happy about this, or are we underestimating the capabilities of the russian army in the sense of advanced e-e equipment for waging war, it is impossible to throw hats at the opponents you understand , another sin that is not written in the bible sounds approximately yes, yes, you can never evaluate the enemy, you can never evaluate it, and what you say about iran is that it is a third world country, in fact, iran is in the plan today drones in the plan, here are these shock drones of the mine type, and he is at the front of the planet. all because iran is under sanctions and is in a rather difficult economic situation, decided to make a weapon that can be dangerous

for any other country and at the same time will be cheap, they went along the way lowering the price of weapons , while these weapons can be used effectively , this is how chess appeared. in fact, any air group in ukraine, but these dry ones. these were put to the flood. these shahereds carry from 30 to 50 kg of combat units. they successfully reach even like cruise missiles to our targets, and they pose a threat to us, so you can’t throw caps at the enemy again. you need to understand that the enemy is in a second hopeless situation and is taking the right steps, this has always been the case in history, and russia also does not need to take its hat off. russia has a sufficiently powerful military-industrial complex.

just a clarifying question, it is very important, but if in your opinion, theoretically, boda, because in practice, i simply do not know whether it is possible to talk about it or not, if the martyrs and in general everything that enters russia from iran are simple, they are usually done in order to avoid these sanctions that do not give the opportunity iran has to develop something of a high quality, tomorrow's weapons of tomorrow. maybe it's easy to shoot down these martyrs , that is, i'm already thinking about ukraine . small-sized targets that are very difficult

to notice by the air defense system, therefore it is very difficult to hit in order to kill the enemy, on all accounts, it is necessary to have such an anti-aircraft defense system that was in all the countries of the world fighting during the second world war, this is a rapid -fire machine gun - this is a rapid-fire eh air defense guns are searchlights, if you are talking about a night raid, this is a sound station that determines where the chess is flying. the locator is almost invisible to the locator, and it is still low and has very little reflective ability. therefore, it is difficult to spot it, and by and large, the missiles that are used against them are tens of hundreds of times more expensive than the echi-eshohoda, their limited number, especially the old soviet ones rockets that we still have there for beeches for the s300, this is a big problem. that is, if

the enemy turns 1,000 neighbors against us , and we don’t have a rocket for this rocket. locators, then we need 1000 lessons, the price is necessary, in general, most of all, these are machine guns that can sing dynamo chess, it is possible to have a huge number of military personnel who will stand near these ears of machine guns in order to shoot down cheaters . the whole world , both civilized and non-civilized, take russia. we really like to use jet planes there for big purposes, for which we built an effective air defense system, and we see that the russians are not they fly at us with their planes. they are afraid because the

povy system successfully shoots down the planes. it is sometimes more expensive than the most modern anti-aircraft missile system against us, which are built against modern aircraft thank you very much thank you very much yuriy kasyanov commander of the armed intelligence drone unit forces of ukraine. it was a pleasure to talk with you. thanks to mr. yuri, we just explained what the dangers are, what all these drones are, how effective they are and how effective the defense of ukraine can be, and we see that sometimes humanity moves forward and sometimes it is necessary to turn back and look how you see what mr. yuriy says that these ordinary machine guns of the second world war are more effective than these super modern missiles against these

iranian drones. well, that's the way we can draw such a conclusion now to belarus to belarus we have valery kalinovsky, a journalist of the belarusian service of radio liberty, i hope he is there and i hope he understands the ukrainian language like every belarusian. good health, mr. valery. it is nice to see you. thank you for finding time for us on saturday. congratulations, mr. mykola. it is very nice to see you . i also follow your activities. thank you, but i have a question. you understand. i was driving to work today and i was thinking that in a civilized country, the death of anyone usually appears to be natural . well, there are no such extraordinary circumstances that a person died suddenly. well, that means he was sick, and when i read this morning about the head of the

ministry of foreign affairs of belarus, volodymyr makei, who the day before yesterday or the day before yesterday, he went on a business trip somewhere, he participated somewhere, and today he had a meeting with lavrov, is he the minister of foreign affairs, or tomorrow of russia and here he suddenly dies immediately, conspiracy in my head has blossomed with such large exuberant flowers that you say i do not believe in such a coincidence when the day before yesterday one visit today is the second visit both are important and here it is in the middle, a person suddenly dies, well, volodymyr makeev is not quite an old man, he is 64 years old, he was very close to lukashenka for the past 20 years, he was his assistant, head of the administration for 10 years, he headed the ministry of foreign affairs on thursday, uh, friday, he was uh, uh, at the summit his december in yerevan, where he communicated with

his colleagues, so to speak, and yesterday he received the papal nuncio somewhere for tomorrow, the day after tomorrow , his meetings were planned for next week, because mackey has to come to minsk, that is, he was going to live and if he did not look like a sick person well, but according to such information that he died, it is only unconfirmed that he apparently died at home of a heart attack in which he did not attach importance, did not call the doctors, he was going to go to the theater and which is managed by his wife after the 20th year, that is, this is the information that we have, it can only to say that volodymyr makeye, who was surrounded by lukashenko, is not a hawk, and not now after the 20th year, not really a dove, but still a person on whom we hoped for a dialogue with a measure for some improvement, he communicated stably in the belarusian language, he did not belonged to the russian measure - let's say so. although he was a colonel in the game of soviet times, after which

he went to make such a diplomatic career and actually did and spent a lot of time in france, for example, and still there were some hopes as there was a big conflict with russia, then he called independent journalists, including those from radio svoboda, for themselves in order to somehow express their understanding of this conflict there and to send them out of belarus so that russia would take away from belarus such an aggressive ambassador who was introducing his own rules there wanted even before the 20th year, that is, he needed the support of western changes of the independent mass media, then he turned. and later in the 20th year, he immediately sided with lukashenka , he supported this terror, supported beatings, arrests and everything else. and he even declared that if you will be there in the west . next, we will put some pressure on us, then we will destroy all civil and social organizations. that is , we will liquidate all independent non-governmental organizations and

so on. this happened, in fact, all non-governmental organizations were liquidated. just after his words, lukashenko is supported here one by one they all closed down, even there the society for the protection of birds was closed i am not talking about the pen center, the union of writers of the society of the belarusian language is all closed now they are also closing non-state schools, not state medical centers and so on and so on and it all goes like this said this guy, that is, some even said that he could become the successor of lu kashenka , but i think it is ridiculous. that he himself, like last week or yesterday, putin said that everyone is mortal, so that he, too, is probably waiting for something, something there, valery, this is an important question

, in fact, for some reason, it is rarely discussed, i would just put it to you, knowing you as a person who knows how to think about this question, no no no on knowledge, not on knowledge, but on philosophy, but let's imagine tomorrow lukashenka well, we see mackey died suddenly well, let's believe that from a heart attack well, lukashenko can also die from a heart attack somewhere, is belarus belarus ready belarussian government opposition, belarusian society to life without lukash, will there be any immediate implementation actions? well, for us, for example, i don't know, they will release political prisoners there from thousands to tens of thousands, they will cancel some legislative acts of such a snarky kind, what can happen if there is no lukashenka like yours opinion i think that if there is no

lukashenka, everything will go in this direction, i think so , because it is all his will in this political prisoner , beatings can be easily blamed on him because he is responsible for everything in fact and no one will want to take political and legal responsibility for what lukashenko himself did, that is, frankly speaking, i will remember the 20th year of the maidan square in belarus, what a new belarus that i saw, very beautiful, tied, young, pretty, creative. here she is now actually driven under the plinth so there he is in exile, in prisons and so on, because this guy sits and his gubot who runs around there, these security forces run around arresting everyone, mocking them and keeping them in prisons in inhumane conditions. that's how it will end and putin will not intervene. i would like to intervene in something here, we can no longer rely on him,

we understand his interests in belarus, he wants to de-nazify ukraine as well, he wants to de-nazify belarus as well, and one of the instruments of the nazification of belarus is lukashenko, but if everything would go naturally in a calm manner without external aggression of the russian military or any other the other naturally left er very quickly. belarus recovered to say clearly that this so -called elite that holds the power would try somehow, but there will not be enough effective ones. i think this is the question valeriu look at this question, which is very actively discussed in kyiv, especially somewhere a year or two after the revolution, political technologists, political scientists, historians, politicians, deputies are always surprised that evil is not punished again. okay, yanukovych escaped, but there were thousands of people around yanukovych,

and 90% of them. well, still walking in kyiv walking in poltava walking in lviv walking in kharkiv well you can't walk in kharkiv because there is a war there but just how vindictive ukrainian society is, what will happen to the environment in nature if everything goes naturally the way you said if there is no intervention of active russia and so on and so forth, there is no lukashenka, but everyone knows . to ukraine , ukrainian i apologize to the belarusian society somehow , well, to show itself in the sense of bringing justice in the end well, i think that they wanted, god, to keep the government and someone like lukashenka next to organize some new dictator, so a

in relation to society, well, i think that there is a very high probability that justice will not be achieved so quickly, some will escape, and some will be in long trials, will they take places in prisons that were released under political prisoners, it is difficult to say, maybe some will take up and i have hope that they will answer, but it’s all serious until it’s not about it, well, it’s probably too early to divide the skin of an unkilled bear even then, the question is again in the same plane, see valery, and how? what do you think ? undoubtedly, we cannot get into the heads of these people but i can give you more information, they understand lukashenka's environment, doom. okay, the war will last another year. okay, two more. yesterday, i listened to a wonderful interview with president zelensky's wife. she told me that we will surrender not in a year, or in two, or in three. you don't have to have

any illusions, but as a result, ukraine will win, the western world will break the back of russia, and by breaking the back of russia, the belarusians will, i mean, the high-ranking officials suffer in their heads, there is such a probability, they imagine a picture of the world. when they feel bad, i am not saying that they will prison, but it will be bad for them. something will be taken from them, they will be threatened with going to prison, they will not have the opportunity to leave for the same lithuania, or maybe for the same russia, or maybe for the same ukraine to escape, or something, there is an understanding of the finality of this of the entire regime, yes, and i am sure that they understand perfectly and they certainly know. they are younger. some of them are not all, but some of them are younger than lukashenko. they will live after his death

. in belarus when lukashenko he actually lost the elections when he stayed in power and what happened then, the generals of the kdb went to him and said that let's not insist on this victory and mock the people. the head of the kdb was actually suspended. people and that's why he was suspended, he understood that this was a danger. lukashenka's eldest son, viktor, came and also spoke, he was an assistant for national security. this is how his long-time supporter sheiman also came and what he said. well, let's admit about the defeat in minsk, not 80, maybe 55, let's write something that he didn't have proposals for and all these people. lukashenko removed even his own son, that is, they still have all this understanding since the 20th year and even

more so now that lukashenka has involved belarus in this shameful history and made it an accomplice in the war against ukraine. i think that they understand the extent of their responsibility. well, i will end this communication. thank you very much, valery to a journalist from the belarusian service of radio svoboda in kalinov why because for me it is news that in the 20th year well, when i heard the last name sheikman - it 's just blyznyuk, one with eggs, they were sewn with lukashenka, here mr. valery tells me who i trust that they asked to stop these horrors that we all watched, the whole world watched during these and after the elections of the so-called elections of lukashenka and belarus, so thank you very, very much, very interesting, we now understand our neighbors better, and with such an understanding, a better understanding of our