there are no good russians there. is it something like that, they tell us. wait, right here, people live in the morning. they have been living in germany for a long time. they are oppositionists. why are you running over them? you are too emotional. in general, you need to calm down. unfortunately there is this problem unfortunately few people can feel our situation the same way we do unfortunately for many people in the west er this war of ours is just one of the wars they have seen on the tv screen even if it is the closest to them and on the territory europe but all the same, they don't sit in bomb shelters. and many, in particular, people with, let's say, more left-wing views, find it difficult to accept the idea that you can hate someone as much as we hate russians . about

the fact that we are going through the experience of genocide, when you remind people of the parallels with the second world war, over time, they begin to become enlightened a little and they begin to treat our trauma with greater respect and sensitivity and to our right to hate the enemy, just a few days ago, a wonderful number nine magazine was published, edited by faith boldenyuk, where there is a whole selection of texts about the right of ukrainians to hate the enemy, and which actually for the western audience explains the development of the match why it is right to have such emotions now and why the whole world should just accept us together with these emotions about the genocide, too. we have a lot of conversations about what and why. what in europe or in general in the world do not want to understand that genocide is happening now. and it seems to me that everything no, well not so catastrophic, because after all, genocide is a very loud word, and it is difficult for the people of france or germany to believe that it is not true. well, obviously

, it seems to me to accept that this loud word can still be used now. please explain how this cautious attitude towards the concept occurs of genocide and how exactly do we convince the world that this is genocide? actually, i was talking about the genocidal experience, that is, in such a strict legal sense, of course what we are experiencing is not genocide. the way international legislation is currently interpreted is the concept of extermination on the basis of a certain ethnic or religious characteristic and in fact in ukraine it is not legal in the legal sense. which can be of russian origin, yes, that is, this is, in general, an extraordinary case when actually, that is, the

ethnic characteristic does not work. yes, that is, here we can actually talk about the fact that we are being exterminated as a political nation, as well as a threat to the empire, unfortunately a crime if imperial war does not exist in international legislation, but this is exactly that, yes, but this experience is close to genocidal. yes, in the legal sense, it is very difficult to deal with this, and even international experts with the international human rights actually say that we need to use uh. well, let's say yes, others use different rhetoric and talk about crimes against humanity and there are actually other certain legal categories. people and as a political nation, first of all, for some reason it seems to me that the most difficult country , if we are talking about europe, western europe,

the most difficult country for us for cultural diplomacy is france, maybe again i am wrong, but it is traditionally believed that there are very big sentiments there about russian culture, about russia, and i myself, when i talked with the french, i constantly felt this sentiment and this admiration, everything is in russian. is it really so? well, i would say that it is not a single country, that is, there are certain difficulties in france, in germany, in italy, that is, everywhere there is some kind of work that we have to do. yes, but well, that is, i would not say that it is a certain one country. there are actually many countries in europe. where we need to do a lot. take hungary for example, yes, what would it seem like we have common borders all the time and are close and close neighbors. but nevertheless, the situation there is very difficult in the political sense, in the sense of support, in fact, serbia is the

same, yes, that is, in fact, there are quite a lot of these countries, and each of them has its own certain work being done yes, somewhere it's easier, somewhere it's harder, but in principle , well, there are countries that need more attention and more resources from france. there will be a festival, it will be a weekend, yes, a cultural weekend for three days, if i'm not mistaken . it is already working, so the program is already unfolding, as the program was being formed, that 's how exactly it will be there, all the dogs will be there, oksana liniv will conduct and so on. and so on. vikendulest which was dedicated to a ukrainian city took place five years ago, in 2017, it was dedicated to kyiv. by the way, i was a participant

at the time and a speaker gave one of the lectures this year. in fact, it was supposed to be a different city, but after the full-scale invasion of russia, the organizers decided to postpone another one the european city of eastern europe and offer this role to odesa, and they turned to the ukrainian institute, they already had certain studies on the program, they already had contact with olea kamin american poet of origin who comes from odessa who became the official patron of this festival and we actually helped the organizers with ideas, we simply developed our recommendations into lists of people, works and topics that could be developed and implemented, they took something into the work with of our recommendations, some things. they

ah actually, well, these were their own ideas. well, it is not strictly in the narrow sense, there is a culture that is connected with odessa only in a physical sense, and they took it more broadly, if it is connected with ukrainian culture. that's how zhadan from kharkiv and oksana liniv from lviv appear there with the orchestra, that is, it is a little more about ukrainian culture, because they wanted to present more geographical diversity and they simply have certain contacts there, the same serhiy zhadan who me they work closely, and that is why the program, as it were, turned out to be even wider than just odesa. but this was already the choice of the organizers. i recently had the entire tape in artem chekhov and artemovich because these two writers are military. but they and the writers. they came to munich for the book and film festival, and according to the reviews, everything

was very cool, many germans came and , well, the reception was very good . an ordinary german or an ordinary person when they come to this festival, what should they bring out according to the idea, and well, it seems to me that in general, if this event was absolutely extraordinary in everything that we did , because the truth is, we managed to pull the guys a small one, let's say such a business leave, and they went directly from their units from the military trenches to this festival. it seems to me that it was very important to have this direct experience for the western audience directly for the german and to see this ukrainian soldier who was a writer who deliberately chose to go to defend his

homeland because he had no other choice, and i think that it was a very useful experience for those german pacifists who think that yes, you just need to stop shooting and it will end in fact, the explanation of what is the experience of a writer and a person of culture who decides to go to the front and because he has no other choice, and he goes consciously and changes his profession as a scholar there. i think that it was very important and from those feedback that we received. i understand that it had a huge resonance. i think that there are a lot of interviews and conversations that took place there. they will have an even greater effect if they are published in the near future and are widely distributed

. it seems to me that this is very important. for t- formation of this trust, the formation of a better understanding of what is happening in ukraine in our country, and again , the fight against this russian propaganda, which says that we have fascists , nazis, and so on, and some are fighting western societies believe this when they see a czech in front of them and touch them. well, that is, they understand very well that this is a completely different, different people, different values, and this is our army, unlike the russian army there and russian writers who are hiding from the draft on their europeans in order not to god forbid that they get on their front, which they absolutely consciously consider to be unjust and but nevertheless, they cannot do anything other than run away from this responsibility

and settle somewhere, so i think that for the european audience, it is very important to see these writers talk with them guys, i think it is also important and i also think that for them it was such a certain respite and in general by the way, artem cheh wrote posts very recently in the footsteps of i understood so much from this post that he too well, that's enough organically with humor, but he described that after all, the germans, well, they do not fully understand the situation, even though they try to understand , they try not to offend, but they still offer some lenin or some russian culture and still further connects us with russia, well, if you have to convince how to proceed. by the way, the pacifists are critically widespread and how to work with them. if you are done with the german audience, then they still have

their own trauma, which is related to the second world war. which is tied to russia, which was successfully manipulated by russia for 80 years after the end of the war, and in which the role of ukraine in the second world war is completely leveled and distorted, and actually all the laurels and all the victimhood, if it was tied only to russia well, it is if the german trauma and if they should also do something about it and not only a-a if it should not remain only our problem and in relation to pacifism - this is a very common story of trying to reconcile everyone trying to lower our a-a as they said at the recent events in venice, it means a high degree of militaristic rhetoric in your cultural speeches, our conversations about decolonization within the framework of the venice biennale are actually ukrainian for me mentiv biennale is one, the defender of the bravs of a person called it, it means militaristic rhetoric, so

what, they explained to me there what exactly it comes from for the risk of rhetoric and said that we will lower the degree as soon as the war is over, the russians will leave the territory of ukraine, uh, everyone will leave, the war criminals will be punished, all retributions will be paid we will immediately begin to reduce the degree of militaristic rhetoric in our cultural events, it is not easy, but we have, it seems to me , all the answers for this, all the arguments, and we, too. it seems to me that our situation is very different from other situations, e.e. buyan, which have recently been because we are ready to answer every question that is put to us. there we come with ready-made answers . this is the problem, and what you can do. this is what we want, and it really changes the position in these negotiations, yes. that is, we speak from the position a strong, uh, strong interlocutor. that is, we do not come with outstretched hands and with despair in our eyes

and say there, help me get there. we don't know what to do, we know what the problem is. and the same way when various conversations take place there, yes, on platforms that are used to talking about the crisis about the war culture in the war and so on. and they have a certain pattern of these topics to which they refer to the lost cultural heritage. i don't know if there are any red lists . we have it all and we want to go further, we tell them that you must now even further colonize your discourses and you must still work in such and such a way this is how you must this is how you should also if you foresee ukraine in your long-term plans and always map in your activities ukraine from the point of view of ukraine and not from the point of view of other former empires that occupied different parts of ukraine

at different times, and it works, that is, people really understand that they understand this language, and for them this is an understandable argument, since a large the problem is, well, it is clear that it has always been a problem, but how much does it shift when ukraine is really looked at from the point of view of russian optics, because there are also faculties there, and there are all the world ones that study the eastern european or post-soviet space, again from the point of view of russia, and then from the point of view of others, to what extent is it now, well, at least in europe, how widespread is this problem? well, in fact, this is the dominant point from which they look at us, that is, unfortunately for others , there was very little representation of other points of view and the truth is that all conventional centers for the study of eastern european studies are hidden, hidden studies of russian studies, and it seems that it has now become obvious

, because when the invasion began, the influence on the large-scale e i'm almost too, because i'm from the same region. i'm going to tell you something here in russian. and we problematize this very much because you can't be a russian all your life and then become a ukrainian because the fact that you are suddenly also from this region, and now , in fact, there is a very serious transformation and discussion within the academic environment, and here i want to note that our economic environment has a very active position, it does a lot of things, discusses and raises questions, makes certain demands, and what should be it is done and there is a destruction of ukrainian that is actually separated from this russian studies in general they remove this as if the separation that this is russian and is your pineapp i.e. that this is the study of russia and the east

in europe, yes, that is, but in fact only in russia, in this sense, a great transformation is currently taking place. i think that it well, it is obvious that it cannot happen very quickly, because it is such an area that needs time there for restructuring. well, it all took a long time - planning is all long-term programs, but we are already seeing these changes in universities, if only in research centers, and i think that this will have consequences not only for ukraine, but for the entire region, so that is, we will have a shift of attention from russia itself to other countries and we will see more study of the baltic countries, georgia, ukraine and poland, and so on, there will be more focus on these countries and, well, ukraine , in fact, has become a catalyst for this transformation of the vision of the region as a whole, that is, here , if we could help other e- and the countries

can get out of this gingerbread too at this price. russians are still represented at various cultural festivals. they are very welcome. they are often invited to the rada. not long ago, there was an edia festival . there were two russian films. one of them is a short film about ukrainian refugees. more precisely, this is a belarusian director who studied in and lived in russia. he recently made a short film about ukrainian refugees from kharkiv. it seems that we will ever be able to achieve and reach the point where russians will not be invited to russian artists at all. should we achieve such a radical result? well, i understand that we we would like all russians to disappear in general, preferably from the

planet earth in general yes, but at least from the cultural scene for the coming years and uh, i think that if you compare how many there were even during the last eight years, when the ukrainian -russian war was already going on in ukraine, there are almost none of them, that is, this percentage is so small, yes, they still slip by somewhere, they appear somewhat, but in principle , this tendency is for this presence to be or minimized in general, it is often worn out somewhere, these russians , they try to mimic someone else there, what are they called there, i don’t know, latvians there , or somehow they rename their projects, that is, they are already ashamed to be associated with it. they are trying to find other ways to reach this microphone, but the trend is also very obvious. i think that in the coming years, if there is no great return of the russians, there will be no opportunity for them to

spread their wings. i think that during this time , first and we will have a stronger position and other countries will also have a stronger position there on these platforms, and i think that already well, in fact, there will never be such a return as it was before, such a sending of this russian propaganda, as the director said of the russian hermitage of st. petersburg, of the russian special operation. yes, it will no longer exist in the field of culture. in other words, we have already shown these mechanisms, and the world can see how it works, and i think that no one will fall for this hook twice, as long as nord stream-2 is not rebuilt, yes. it is possible to draw such parallels, that is, these projects have no more prospects. that is, it is already in the past , even if some russian artists who are recluses will still be out there somewhere at some events, it will be little noticeable and will not have such importance

although we must continue to bend our line and demand from the organizers that there are no russian projects, we have this full right. well, as far as i understand, they still react, although maybe not immediately, but they listen to us. some specific list of our intellectuals, public intellectuals, artists, well, in general, people from the humanitarian sphere, maybe writers there or musicians who can or are already acting as such faces of the country who are very good listen to who can be called authoritative and famous , is there already such a list? have we not formed it yet ? well, i think that this list is quite long, it is constantly being updated, because there

are quite a lot of people who speak well of ukraine, who are constantly on tour, who are constantly talking about them. yes and these voices are heard and it's not there anymore, i don't know, three writers and two musicians, these are dozens of people who work in culture, who represent at different levels, who speak to the world in an understandable language in all senses and in the sense generatives and in the sense of language itself and their voice is heard and it is important, it resonates, so i think that this is already a long list and we should also praise ourselves for this . we can say that until now the most popular ukrainian director in the world is serhii loznytsia, who in principle does not really care about the ukrainian people. well, first of all, i think we have explained to everyone, at least to all

the main players, how we feel about the ukrainian serhiy loznytsia, and how i think that everyone have already heard and this position of ours, secondly, we have enough strong voices that, well, i think absolutely calmly can be equal and have the same meaning. i also mean directors who received major international awards and films that collected huge audiences , so it seems to me that we already have a whole generation of ukrainian artists, and our role now is to defend ukraine so that this generation has a future and can continue to work, tanya. thank you for your optimism and work. i hope i did my job, understood increasing optimism in our environment, we will need it very much, we still have a long way to go, i will remind you. this was a conversation with the creative

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always bring me apples greetings good evening my name is myroslava vakarchuk this is a project of the ukrainian foam and tv channel espresso its not today dmytro krapyvenko my colleague, journalist, editor-in-chief of the program countdown on the public and now

a serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine dmytro congratulations. thank you for agreeing to talk with dmytro about the experience of the war, the experience of the war is not over, but the experience that a person goes through. i ended up in a trench with a weapon a-a hmm dmitri eh well, you were in the army for 9 months, i knew you before that, we met literally almost every day, we worked on the same project at the social you lose weight very much, losing 10 kg, it is very visible according to you, most of the time you are in conditions of, to put it mildly , severe real threats to life, stress, physical and moral exhaustion, this is what i know about

you, how would you describe these nine months that you lived in the army in - first, they were different here, despite the fact that it is 9 months. let's say that by measurements peaceful life is not that much, and counting my life there for 43 years, after all, it’s not that much either, but i would divide it into the period of the beginning of the war. when i was still in kyiv and the enemy was near kyiv, but at that time i did not take part directly in hostilities during the formation of the battalion, the period of training and the period of the actual war, i was directly involved in it, that is 90 days from august to november, and they were different, of course , the most intense, and let’s say the period when i finally did that's what i joined the army for there were uh-uh, as it is customary to say the last 90 days on

uh-uh at the front, because before that it was all well, of course it was divided by who it was training, it was reformation there, but this was still the army, but it was not a war so, well, actually if you divide it into periods like this, it will become clear. actually, what was happening. to be honest, i thought when i went to the military commissariat, i was sure that the war would start for me. literally in a few days, i understood that the events unfolded very quickly and continued there will be no learning time ie morally, i was ready for this, but to some extent i was cold, i don’t know, i don’t know how the stars turned out, i do n’t know. you can call it in different ways. well , they started preparing me for the front, and i didn’t get there at the very beginning, although