a-and say that you will put even more pro-russian well then, excuse me, you will already give it there, there will be conversations from the wall about an independent but independent ukraine, with a pro- russian leader, and about the province, where will the governor be puts the president of russia with his decree and then it will be a different story, but at the given stage, lukashenko is the most beneficial for moscow to the president of belarus , because i don’t surround him, and he basically does it everywhere this is the one that is needed, and a new one will come a person who beats has not been what he can do, he does not do, and how he will be accepted for a price , they will accept him and not only the belarusian elites or the belarusian people, this is still a question, listen to the risk, when there is a verified servant who

will do what is necessary in general. how real do you think it is now that in the current situation the belarusian army can really take part in an attack on ukraine how much does it change the military situation in general how much is it necessary for lukashenko himself lukashenko is absolutely unnecessary he doesn't warm to the fact that he didn't exist. now he has the whole situation in his hands again, as if all the protest mood is driven and far away, as he says under the plinth, but he understands very well that any attempt to take part in the aggression against ukraine is ... no longer in the same way as now i accept this act of aggression, and specifically to my troops. turn

it off. войны э-э что э-э s only here nothing like this happened, we are super-super-stars, it was already laid in podkortsi in podsvyatomosti in all belarusians by lukashists, but the suppression of war and kirill lukashenko is now in charge of the ghetto army, which is i want to point out . ordinary guys are on emergency service, it’s just that the belarusians will oppose it, and i think that he is an outstanding person somewhere, and he understands the level of the belarusian army , no matter how the minister of defense wants it

the belarusians show me how i'm not heroic, how i'm not, uh, what kind of equipment do they have, how am i not fooled, and how come lukashenko didn't want to show these situations with missiles that i don't have such equipment , that i don't have such equipment that i'm not under control, and they shoot rockets they fly all over the airspace of ukraine. well, it’s not so much on purpose. of course, we clearly understand that the belarusian army is the enemy of the ukrainian army. it’s the one that has the most. in three days i even rock-jongi will hold out this army, and what will remain after this, not the army, but the support of the people, well, of course, i do not rule out that i will be so

- called and good hunters will try to recruit some of them criminals into his chvk. and can there be any uh-uh volunteers who don't take those uh-uh special forces troops there? to er show one's skill, there may be such ones i definitely don't think that there will be 15-20,000 of them, or even more, there are hundreds of thousands, but there may be a few thousand , and it is being recruited, but not more. -e volodymyr makey, you share all these opinions that he could not just take it and die of a heart attack, that this signals lukashenko and that

lukashenko weakens the death of makey . to be perceived as some kind of signal or blow, but people die sometimes, even those who serve lukashenko, well, yes, he is right1 here, as it were, conspiratorial versions definitely evoke the fact that makey is not such a person anymore, and the old man is everything after all, 64 years old, there is still life left to live a-a plus gt the whole situation, well, how did you correctly note the memory of how a-a bulgakov wrote in er- er his book about the fact that er-er with er-er it’s scary not that the person of death and the fact that the person of sudden death , even in this situation, no one excludes it

the fact that it’s faster than ever, just like that, and here are curlers for everything, after all, it’s still apocalyptic events, understanding that the ministry of frozen affairs of belarus and makey himself, as a minister, have turned into an empty place which can not do anything for belarus, they are not going to do anything , and for them everything is expressed as an album by lukashenka, the same album is in moscow, eh, plus the lukashenkas, who have become very fashionable lately, this truth could lead to the fact that his health was eh broken and uh, as they immediately wrote belorussian seven people, they still ignored the

fact that he didn't look healthy the day before. the death of the presenter , after all, how to put out pictures of another version, you need to have at least a large amount of insider information , so there could be no insider information, uh, what kind of information did you advise suspicion that this was not just such an ordinary death, fuck that there is no one, we can appear, maybe a pathologist will come and something. salute some information, then it will be possible to speak calmly. unfortunately, as if with everything, with everything and love. that appeared on social networks. and tell me, how do you imagine, in principle, how much

belarusian society today is aware of all the dangers that hang over belarusian statehood itself in connection with this war of russia against ukraine, how do you perceive these social circumstances, see here it is necessary to understand that to provide non-moment belarusian society is divided into two parts, one part, and this is a skill that can be divided into three, one part, which was forced after the pozeev of the 20th year, to leave belarus, and is now in forced immigration , and this the share perfectly understands a-a what are the dangers now for belarus for independence and for its future and my own war is the share in this war of the lukashenka regime and plans for a further deepened

integration so to speak a-a in its composition belarussian russia they understand it well, but the second part of it is belarusians who stayed in belarus. they should also be divided into two. first, you who have not left, but are recognized as supporters of democratic pyramids who read information from different countries. eh, they are scolding the victim. who live according to the principle there, i'm not interested in politics, they canceled it, it doesn't change much, it doesn't concern the game and so on, and here i have to admit

that after the uh, the belarusians were not dependent on the belarusian seven this is how people start and er carp with the terms of ts er large fines for what they also have in their telegrams and subscriptions to telegram channels of the so -called extremist snakes about it all independent belarusian media er in belarus е for stolyse eh, not only eh in tv, but also in social media in the networks, mostly only mainly the majority - this is either the belarusian state media, all this and uh, the mass media and telegram channels, or the russian ones, and ah, how do they convey my friends who remain in

belarus until this time, unfortunately, propaganda works and you and people who there is more eh with everything recently they showed that a-a this thread is a horror a-a russia is creating in ukraine now under the influence of this constant which 24/7 a-a for a third of the propaganda it drips on the brains they begin to say i think not everything is so unambiguous and this is why, unfortunately, propaganda does not work for everyone there is an understanding of what this can lead to. and say this, do you understand why lukashenko himself has now come to such a situation? i would say that bellicose rhetoric is not even characteristic of him himself, that ukraine will be completely destroyed, that if russia loses in this , we will be the ruins of a former soviet republic that enters the dkb, who influences him, and i think that this is what he has on duty

, uh, tense, tense, wolves, who are aligned with putin, putin needs nothing from him, it can be like the belarusian army, lyudmila for this aggression maybe i'm even lower and putin will like it. change the conversation to something else and show her. here he is such a fighting raccoon , he's not afraid of anyone here. then how would you fight with words like that, about such a common collet in social networks, thousands of people call them sofa generals sofa heroes who know how to fight here and tell you how i am. show in front of putin how and he supports how he is closed, everything is like that, and

he, together with russia, rotted forever in the same trenches, but the conclusion is chased there. i sincerely thank you for participating in our broadcast with mytsar lukashov, a belarusian journalist , editors of the european council of belarus. russia's nuclear weapons, or at that time russia seemed like a democratic state and everyone was sure that it would not be swayed by these weapons, well , first of all, there are several obvious circumstances that, of course , from the perspective of 2022, it does not look like it did in 1991 and the following years, first of all an obvious condition of the fact that other countries generally recognized the possibility

of the collapse of the soviet union was the fact that the countries that declare their independence in connection with its collapse and strive for the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons leave the same norms of nuclear weapons that existed in 1991, i will remind you that the president of ukraine, leonid kravchuk, went to the białowieża forest already after the referendum on the creation of an independent ukraine, you all know this very well, and in principle , the result of this referendum should have been simply the withdrawal of ukraine from the soviet union, the denunciation of the treaty of the union, and our country had to leave along the same path as the baltic countries followed, but we never followed this path at all for

many reasons. here i will remind you that we will say an important part of the independence of the baltic countries there was a withdrawal of the soviet army with their territory from latvia, lithuania, estonia, the soviet troops left the same way as from the territory of, tell me , east germany or poland or hungary or any other country where they were . georgia's military bases in russia, i apologize to russia in georgia, which were later liquidated, but georgia created its own army , ukraine never did this. i think that people who were born after independence simply do not understand, in principle, everything was completely different, we

simply renamed the soviet military districts to the ukrainian army, and the people who served in these districts simply swore to ukraine, with a very rare exception , it seems that the kyiv military district did not attract only commanding troops, they were ordinary soviet officers, in fact, their own russian officers which became ukrainian, could ukraine in such a situation not notice the fact of the existence of the soviet union next to it and calmly withdraw from it? when the soviet army was on its territory imagine for a moment that the soviet union remains, ukraine declares its independence, is there an army that is located on ukrainian territory, is it the army of the same soviet union that exists in a new form without ukraine, well, that is a million questions, of course, answers to

all these questions they were afraid that the idea that the leaders of russia, ukraine and belarus came to in volovetsk square was the destruction of the soviet union. but at the same time, very soft forms of coexistence as an independent state, the number one form is united troops. i want to remind you that at the time of december 1991, ukraine did not even have its own armed forces, the armed forces of independent states were united under the leadership of marshal yevgeny shaposhnikov , the last minister of defense of the ussr, and it was impossible to talk about ukraine's control over its own nuclear weapons at all. because there were not even military structures of their own in essence. they began to appear. and by the way, the appearance of ukraine's own armed forces in moscow perceived it as a violation of the agreements and arrangements that were signed in

many people don't remember about it either, but if you read there, just take the old newspapers from 91-92 there, you will see it all, i wrote about it myself, and remember this very well in relation to nuclear weapons, in principle, already in the bialowieza forest under during the conversation between the presidents yeltsin kravchuk and the chairman of the verkhovna rada of belarus shashkevich with president bush, it was clearly stated that nuclear weapons will remain under one leadership in essence within the framework of this unified military command of the cis, but the president will be responsible for nuclear weapons of the russian federation, who will manage this part of this unified military command of the cis when we decided to leave this unified military command, of course

. union that we have in russia, of course we had to abandon those means of delivering nuclear weapons, it was not a nuclear weapon, it was a means of delivering nuclear weapons on ukrainian territory, the republic also did the same kazakhstan and the republic of belarus were not even about the democracy of russia, because they really believed that russia was a much more democratic state between ukraine, which was headed by the former second-in-command of the communist party of ukraine, or kazakhstan, which was headed by the former first secretary of the central committee of the communist party of kazakhstan . it is clear that this is not even discussed, ukraine was perceived in the international community mostly as a communist reserve, but it was simply about the fact that nuclear weapons should remain in one center that the spread of nuclear weapons across

several countries at once, i.e., the appearance as a result of the collapse of the soviet union of four nuclear-armed countries instead of one, is a serious threat to humanity. by the way, i don't think that anyone now thinks otherwise, because it is absolutely obvious that the appearance of nuclear weapons in india, pakistan with their conflicts have already put humanity on the possible borders of a real nuclear conflict in two of the most populous countries that treat themselves with hatred, to put it mildly, this is the reality in which we then existed, which is not very it seems clear to me that, in principle , ukraine's refusal of these means of delivery of nuclear weapons was a payment for the fact that someone at all agreed to take seriously the fact that ukraine will exist - this is a gift from russia, this is of course a serious payment for the future, but now we pay

otherwise, of course, and not could not, that is, the choice was not entirely between a nuclear-free and a nuclear country, as many want to prove, and so far the choice was very simple, will ukraine develop as an independent organism, will it have such a chance, or will it will remain an integral part of the state formation of any and the capital in moscow is obvious that if it was, if you are clear that ukraine's nuclear ambitions remain and that it will try to obtain nuclear weapons in addition to these means of delivery, it is obvious that anyone would choose moscow as the capital of the state, but the most important thing was not even that, but the most important were the moods of ukrainian society, the majority of ukrainian citizens generally did not

understand why the country needed nuclear weapons, which by the way, it is expensive, ukraine was a poor country in ukraine had no economy, so they say, oh , it was the richest country of the soviet union, what happened to the lion's share of the economy of ukraine. it was a military-industrial complex, almost the entire ukrainian industry - it was the military industry, almost the entire conditional welfare of ukraine, the fact that people lived better in ukrainian cities than russian consisted in the fact that most ukrainian cities were served by huge military factories. well, of course, when engibe is in the south, it’s okay. of course, you can live more or less better than there for these large factories, of course, when it turned out that the military-industrial complex of ukraine is not needed not only by ukraine itself, but also by russia, which was then in economic trouble, the ukrainian economy crumbled like a

house of cards. that it is expensive , they generally believed that there are no threats to ukraine because from the east they are like a border with fraternal russia, which they supported, while, as you know, most of our compatriots in 1994 the majority of ukrainians for ukrainian courses choose leonid kuchum, people are not going to attack ukraine because, on the one hand, there is an active west, and on the

other hand, absolutely with the russian federation. have long been closely connected with zaporizhzhya cossacks and for centuries formed a free ukrainian spirit to fight, the city named after saint nicholas, the patron saint of sailors, has always courageously fought against enslavement, as during the second world war, hitler's troops shamefully fled from mykolaiv, the same fate awaits other occupiers who are now encroaching on the glorious naval shrine, despite the constant shelling of mykolaiv, the cord sets sails for the victory of ukraine unconquered mykolaiv well, i don't know how long my past is so long was heard in connection with problems with the sound, but i continue my opinion

that the majority of ukrainian society at that time did not understand at all why do we need nuclear weapons and the army as such until 2014, ukrainians persistently, i would say with a stubbornness that deserves better use, destroyed all their opportunities in order to defend themselves against any aggression as early as 2010. the majority of the population of ukraine voted for pro-russian political forces that established control over the presentation and even above the parliament, the ukrainian people did everything possible to perish. which nuclear weapons are we talking about then? the disappearance from the political map of the world as a state and a people was only a few years away, and a huge number of people continued to live in the situation that

they could somehow come to an agreement with russia, so you just need to find the right president who will come to an agreement with vladimir putin, you voted for petro poroshenko, he could not somehow come to an agreement well, volodymyr zelenskyi will definitely agree. i really hope that such an idea of ​​finding the right president who will be able to negotiate with putin will not arise in the ukrainian consciousness, because if it does, then it will be possible to put an end to the existence of ukraine as a state and ukrainians as a nation. well then, please tell me if you and i know all these 30 years of ukrainian history of independence. these are stories of idiocy on the part of the vast majority of the population when some people went to the uprising and others went to the elections precincts only in order to cross out everything that these people achieved during these uprisings, yes, what kind of nuclear weapons are we talking about, don't put weapons on the question of the state of society that has existed for 30 years. she is bioge and you

now we cannot say about it for the simple reason that we should simply feel sorry for the people who, as a result of this state of anabiosis, found themselves under rockets, under bombs, were unable to provide for the future of their children and grandchildren, and the very people who voted for the country to remain in danger voted stubbornly if someone tried to correct their mistake, they came to vote again. well, why would they forget all about it, the grandmothers are now this unhappy grandmother. let no one take away the passport, who voted correctly, sits miserable without the world and heat, and the grandson may have already died in the army, think about it . and you think about these nuclear weapons all the time. and tell me, please, and let's imagine that there were nuclear weapons in ukraine. well, they are, and they are, how did they not give these means of delivery, they remained it exists well, we can

dispose of our nuclear potential, but the fact that we have nuclear weapons does not mean that russia does not have them, you see, russia also has them. well, india and pakistan are nuclear states, each of these states has nuclear weapons, they are at war with each other periodically the presence of each of these states with nuclear weapons means only one thing that they cannot use nuclear weapons against each other, but this does not mean that tens or hundreds of thousands of people cannot die, nuclear weapons are on your way to security, only that if you are at war with a nuclear country, this nuclear country will definitely not use nuclear weapons against you, but if russia definitely will not use nuclear weapons against us, then i tell you that this simply will not happen, this already means that everything is fine. that we drew our lucky ticket that i can make you happy with this

a ticket to fight on or sit in dark rooms, no, a real lucky ticket is nato, it is democratic development, it is a common understanding of security and danger, it is readiness not to respond to russia with nuclear weapons, but russia's understanding of the fact that as a result of an attack on us, it is attacking the common security system and this is again something against which the vast majority of our compatriots with you voted with great enthusiasm until 2014, so it is also worth remembering. of course, you can not return to the past, but if not remember what it was like. this is the past, then we will have no future even after the end of hostilities. and i really want it to be here. i apologize for such a detailed answer to a question that perhaps deserved a shorter comment but i believe that these are fundamental questions because if

we do not realize the situation in which we are in general and why we are in this situation and who is to blame for this situation in which we are, then we will be in this situation exactly as many times as it takes to destroy us and we have to win with you, and to win means to be wise and strong. thank you, friends, i pass the word to my colleagues, ani is melnyk, who will offer you a news release at this hour of this day until new meetings . thank you, the news team will tell you about the most important things in a few moments, and i will start this issue with operational information from the general staff be with us, the occupiers are shelling populated areas