the 13th logistic routes there and the impact of the strikes on the energy supply facilities are expectations that it will affect the persistence of the defense, but i think that these are even expectations. and it will not affect the situation on the front line in a popular way. causes even more, let's say, the aggression of our soldiers in order to quickly liberate these territories that are currently occupied by the enemy, mr. serhiy, regarding kherson region and the left bank, directly from ok south , natalya humenyuk has already informed that the russian troops are not are holding the left-bank kherson oblast, in particular, because the weapons of the forces of ukraine are controlling with fire, let’s say, the most important roads along which the russian troops move, and that is why they even if they try to somehow escape, we will still be able to destroy them, and how soon will this happen, mr. serhiy

, when will we be able to advance already and busy the left bank part of the south with some bicycle expectations. now we are talking about the fact that the dnieper line also acts as such a graphic obstacle at the expense of our artillery there in certain areas gorokhovi reached the left bank for about 15 km to pull back the defenses so as not to fall under the blows of our e-e means. at the same time, this entire area on the left bank has a depth . e-e zaporizhia in the region there in the volnovakha region because i believe that this is a ten extremely dangerous notebook for them on the possibility of offensive actions of the ukrainian army but

now, as we understand, we are at a stage when there will be such weather conditions for several weeks what are you going to do offensive actions and predict where exactly the ukrainian army will attack, as i understand it , on the one hand, i will say that it is a very gratifying thing because the general staff demonstrates variations that are sometimes superimposed on the head, even the body of gender experts, but they give a positive and effective result, and on the other hand, we have understand that for 9 months we have conducted several successful offensive operations that need reinforcements for the armed forces now, we now understand that we must now accumulate reserves and strengthen the groups that took part in hostilities. we cannot carry out offensive actions endlessly, and we still need a certain strengthening. i think that these few weeks will be

used by the ukrainian army to strengthen, and then we will have a situation with the temperature, because you can say that in order to advance, we have to if only for a week the temperature would be -8 there -10 so that the soil would be strong. in fact, this is exactly according to the forecast, the indicators will be somewhere on the third , january, february, she says or something, this period it will be like this without changes in the generation of the front in view of the need for the formation of forces from the other side during the circumstances that restrain offensive actions if we talk about the further development of the situation how do you think ukraine receives a patriot does it all depend on this it will remain at the level of discussion between poland and germany it is quite interesting , because in fact these patriots, which germany is studying in poland, are guided by german calculations

, now there are american patriots on the territory of poland who are guided by american calculations and the expected thanks in german with polish with german staff actually have nothing to do with these petryks and actually it is just now because of the discussion that it is actually an integrated system on nato that cannot be transferred to other e-e countries therefore the question about the patriots actually it has been known for a long time that it will be changed, or rather, in a year and a half, if there is heating, it is a practical solution already at the current stage, but it will not be german petrads, it will definitely be american petrarchs that will be sold with reserves of the american army and for now we will protect the sky using samples that are not the same as those that currently protect the airspace of poland,

germany , and other countries of the alliance. it will happen again in the near future, because the intelligence of britain reports that there are a lot of losses of self -mobilized people in luhansk region and donetsk region, russian mobilized people, yes, about 300,000,000 people were mobilized there of which 50,000 have already gone to replenishment, the rest is used to form new units, but i have not yet seen confirmation that such new units are being formed. it seems that the strategic approach when all these mobilized still go to replenish those units that are already conducting combat operations and now we have a mobilization of 300 + 120, and in fact there is a certain thrombus behind the russians, the

announcement of the mobilization, the increase in the number of mobilized people does not allow them to prepare because the russian hunt allows them to skip somewhere 70-90 in the format of at least three to four months, which means that logically the next wave of mobilization can only be somewhere at the beginning of next year and more or less some data will be released somewhere in the spring of next year means that, relatively speaking, this is the whole period ee well, there will be no changes in the approaches of the ee russian political leadership to the declaration of mobilization and what will happen next, we will see in my opinion, we better understand that they use the personnel only to

maintain the front line in the state it is in not taking into account the losses and the question of the professional level of the mobilized is the least of my worries right now. so this will require ukrainian approaches with a focus on artillery and the destruction of these e-e mobilized. for some reason, they started to forget about it, and the amount of artillery that we will receive from the shamats in other countries is actually not significant, we are talking about 350 received new communities, while russian artillery on the territory of ukraine we will introduce actions, the number of 1,500 communities, that is, the first one, one way or another, we can, we understand that for the time being defenders, russia maintains the superiority of artillery, thank you very much sergiu serhii zgurets , director of defense express, was with us as a line of communication and we are moving on, so rostislav

pavlenko, people's deputy of ukraine we have participants of this part of the broadcast, we will talk about what is happening on the religious front. of course, it is a cliché, but somehow it looks like some kind of front-line actions, because the searches of this class of the uoc of the moscow patriarchate lead to things to the expected, mr. rostislav, to the expected consequences, absolutely p vitaly and many times they said in various broadcasts and formats that if you search very well in the laurels and monasteries, you will find literature, you will find militants , you will find materials aimed at division and all that depth of debauchery will be exposed and the horror that is happening there well, we can see that the search is very wide geographically from kropyvnytskyi to kyiv and from vinnytsia to chernivtsi actually confirms exactly those theses and we see that it is already enough

in fact, material for the responsibility not only of specific collaborators, as the security services of ukraine say, but for the very organization that leaked the document, which, by the way, was exposed by the sbu in one of the searches, and continues to be located in the bosom of the russian church, since they are in pomolon, that attitude should be answered a- a thank you, mr. rostislav, to mr. andriy, a question to mr. andriy, you and i have also repeatedly talked about the damage caused by the moscow patriarchate in ukraine, that it is just agents of the kremlin. they promote such pro-russian rhetoric that what can we say, this is the least, but mr. andriyu, why do you think that in 8 years of russia's war against ukraine, there was no political will to deal with the moscow patriarchate and expel them from our land? maybe then there would not be such consequences which we have now. good evening

. glory to ukraine, i say that in fact the moscow patriarchate protects the moscow patriarchate in ukraine, this is the last hope of putin and in fact, if you look at it this way, the last pro-russian structure is the structure inspired by the russian federation, which has such a wide coverage in ukraine, in the regional centers, in the regional waters, it will be established and in fact , you know, this is not a religious organization, it is a quasi -religious organization, this is the kind of soft power of russian aggression that the russian authorities have used at all times since from the time before the establishment of the moscow patriarchate by stalin in september 1943, continuing, obviously, before the establishment of the moscow patriarchate already in the conditions of independent ukraine, it was the so-called kharkiv cathedral on the canonical er in the 92nd year, we have

been observing throughout history, and in fact, er, the times of the late kuchma and the closeness of the authorities to the leaders of the moscow patriarchate gave the opportunity to these people, well, in particular, searches were carried out in the kiev-pechers lavra, and once again from a new angle we looked at such a figure, whose name is metropolitan pavlo lebid, e.e. in the people, pasha mercedes, a person who , since 1994, has been the head of a religious organization that rents the premises of the lower lavra, e.e., a person , e. a kind of underground empire was building up its influence in the kiev-pechersk lavra, opened without any permission and with possible evasion of paying taxes, hotels, shops, various entertainment facilities there, various restaurants and cafes there in fact, they brought him

millions, that is, pavlo mercedes created such an empire for himself, he called himself agro-firms, and during all this time he was very close, in fact, well, he can no longer be called a religious figure, he is a political figure, he was a member of the party of regions, let me remind you, he was a deputy of the kyiv city council, he was a so-called clergyman of many politicians, thanks to this underground empire, thanks to this money , he bribed officials who for decades did not notice his crimes, he bought positions for his people, in fact, why is the ministry of culture or a reserve the kiev-pechersk lavra for decades did not notice the destruction of the 10th-century monuments of the unesco monuments of the kyiv-pechersk lavra because all these people were obviously corrupt. finally, to put an end to this fifth column. and you know, i think, in fact, the president's office simply

felt that somehow trying to ignore the moscow patriarchate is no longer possible, in fact, for me, you know, as a maximalist of what is visible in this situation, it's still not enough, because criminal affairs and where are the searches of such a uh, well, well, condo separatist and ukrainophobe whose name is luka kovalenko - i will remind you, the so-called metropolitan of zaporizhzhia, a person who actually uh, well, coordinated a lot in the zaporizhzhia region of separatist organizations, a person who has repeatedly stated that there is no ukraine , but so far we have not seen any searches on him, but even those dealers who have already been searched have shown that, for these people, it is unity with moscow, and who do you know, these elements of symbolism they extremely sacred saints as a person in the ninth year of full-scale russian aggression did not destroy

any evidence of their collaborative activity or cooperation with the russian federation, you simply do not put in your head what happened yesterday in metropolitan maletia they found the medal for the return of crimea with the signature that it is that people who believed and still believe in their impunity and that thanks to their influence in particular and political a-a they will never be responsible for their crimes, fine, this word i wanted you to ask about how the rhetoric of pope francis is changing because this letter to the ukrainian people, which today is printed in all languages ​​on all vatican websites, it contains a rather harsh condemnation of russian aggression , apparently supporting ukraine in this war characteristics of the war but why did the pope manage to make such fair and harsh assessments of what

is happening, you know, in only about nine months? we will express indignation and surprise. how can this be, because i understand that there are also many different influences, and it is quite likely that there are parties of such lovers and understanding christians there for various reasons, including certain corruption reasons i really want to believe that this is really a certain personal evolution of the views of pope francis. such different influences simply cease to matter because it is such a very papacentric structure in the literal sense of the word, and i think that the position of the greek catholic church also played a big role here. church, when any such ambiguous activity or statement of the pope was followed by a very clear reaction from the demonstration of the christ regiment of mina, which, by the way, fell on the temple, then an explanation of how it is perceived in ukraine and whether there is another

such optical formula and what to someone in rome seems to be successful, so i really hope that this is evidence of a certain accumulation of critical mass, evidence that the pope understands that it is no longer possible to play with some kind of objectivity, to play at staying over the conflict, to offer some kind of mediation, by making gestures and in one and the other direction and e. i think that in the coming days, maximum weeks, we will see whether this is really the only character that will already have development or again there will be certain e-e addressing in one and the other direction and again we will ask why so is this position and your position regarding the attitude of the prime minister francis, which is so diverse and often contradictory to what is happening in ukraine before the war of russia against ukraine and the genocide, as we have already defined the

ukrainian people as russians , look ambiguous pope rome decided to repent, but this is not about the pope , because the pope is first and foremost a politician , secondarily he is a baptized minister, so when i ask many of my roman catholic friends how they feel about the pope's statements roman to which they always answer me, but he must be a father for everyone, it is very difficult to be a father for everyone and for terrorists, and for the joke of terror. that is why the problem is, and others explain this behavior of the pope in the fact that there are russian catholics whom putin took in the captives are the citizens of the russian federation and the catholics for whose sake the pope is supposedly crucifying himself , sacrificing you to save these russian catholics, all this sounds and in fact, it’s cheap, all this sounds like a lie because i also don’t i attribute it to the fact that the pope of rome, i will remind you, was very

fond of communist ideas in his time, he was there in south america when i was still starting out as such a christian communist, he maintained very close relations, in particular with people connected with the soviet union, so i am just a supporter of the theory that the pope of rome can be in the depths of his soul, in fact , he still remains a muscophile or radian pole, and he still has such a certain love for russia, although i really agree with mr. rostislav that he is a constant trolling that we observed on the part of the ukrainian greek-catholic church regarding the flags of rimsky when he was presented with a piece of the russian mine in a chic velvet box to ask and where is the love, where is the love? how did he say the russian peoples, the people with a great christian soul, where is christianity here, in what

place, colleagues. thank you, i guess we will say goodbye on this. andriy kovalev, a religious scholar , historian, and told pavlenko, a people's deputy of ukraine, was with us as a communication channel briefly, but clearly discussed two important topics and vitaly portnikov and i will immediately return to the air after a short break, there could have been a black friday ad, but we are canceling this ad, we just want to give you discounts of up to 50% on megogo so that you can afford to relax sometimes in the future i have a free choice and discounts to choose from, choose what you want on megogo iryna koval, mother, wife, presenter of the espresso tv channel and i am also a volunteer, our soldiers at the front need a lot of things every day, and that is why part of my life today is helping the armed

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the saturday political club program anzhelika sezonka so we will talk further, first let's return to the topic of the holodomor, that's all. the topic is important and not enough. we have not disclosed it yet, mr. vitaly, and only now, according to the latest statistics, 93% of ukrainians already consider the holodomor a genocide of the ukrainian people. what do you think why before that, ukrainians reasoned differently, this is all soviet propaganda. i think that this is to some extent an identity crisis that is ending before our eyes. civilization competition as a competition between people who wish for such a classical european ukrainian statehood, who consider themselves ukrainians and this country ukraine and are sure that its

way west to europe to the civilized world and people who considered ukraine to be russia, of whom there are also millions who always voted for pro-russian parties that he is now in the kiev-pechersk lavra , these are the people of kyiv singing songs about russia, these people are but it is important to say that these people and this group and this group never constituted the majority of the population and the majority of the population was different, that's why this group always lit candles for the holodomor, and this other group of people said that there was no famine. precisely defined well, we are friends with russia well, why are we close, we must be friends, they will respect us

, and those who were the states always told them that no one will respect you in this idea, this mentality is not even the ukrainian mentality the ssr is the mentality of little russia, the mentality that is praised by many great ukrainians who came from our lands with a gogol pan, this is the mentality of the majority of the population of ukraine . you know the russians will simply destroy you, but you will say that you just want to be friends with them, and they will bomb you crazier than me one of my colleagues wrote to me a few days

after the war, all the crazy people turned out to be right , that is, he is absolutely serious. i had no idea what it was. to such a level, he is absolutely serious, an intelligent person, completely educated. he considered those people who saw reality to be crazy with a knife. and this applies to the holodomor, they cannot be so that the russians and now this is the huge contribution of vladimir vladimirovich putin to the ukrainian nation most of our compatriots with you are forced to become ukrainians because there is no other way out, so in fact there is no way out. that is, you cannot stay by yourself and negotiate with the russians because the russians say we will not negotiate with you. first of all, say that you are russian and that you have no ukrainians. you are not a ukrainian, and then we will decide

whether you want to live here or not. or maybe we will send these people who believed in the possible existence or coexistence of the ukrainian and russian peoples to war in some other country, and at the same time the ukrainian people play the role of such a younger brother, you know, they just turned out to be completely defeated in themselves. we saw what they had at the beginning of the war, what they had was just a brain explosion. that's how they earn money, they just, you know, pretend to be idiots in order to be deputies, mayors, and it turned out that they really thought that they were idiots for a reason, and now it will end, and that's

why the point of view on the holodomor is changing because you understand everyone lived in soviet clichés you understand soviet clichés marshals победы победа бесси this is how we won, they always said, who made the biggest contribution to the victory of the soviet people in the great patriotic war, there were soviet textbooks , marshal zhukov, but there were other markemias, not marshal zhukov, marshal zhukov, of course, a great man but there is marshal beria, the shooting of hundreds of thousands of tens of thousands of russian soldiers in 41-42, and the squads that stood behind them and then shot those who tried to retreat, this is the price of the russian

of the soviet victory, how many tens of thousands of people died like that, we don't know, maybe not tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, so many people were destroyed by the soviet artillery of these er-e units er-e that aimed to destroy those who did not follow orders , such difficult situations and it was so always and now we are surprised that now behind the russian soldiers are also these kadyrov soldiers who are also being shot, but this is normal, absolutely yes . are being destroyed because a complete rethinking is taking place, you know how the holocaust fell, and this is related to the holodomor. i remember that i met a famous french historian, mikoladar , it seems that he studied the holodomor back when the

soviet archives were open and we did not yet have any political assessments artificiality of the holodomor, and i also asked him a new one, do you really think that the bolsheviks simply did not know how to govern at all, they were all the time during their rule, from the 18th year, the famine began in russia, they were all the time they tried to get the grain out, you know the planned economy, you take it there, there is no here, you close the grain here, people start dying and it was like that all the time of the famine, let’s be american. this hoover company, which saved the russians, they hate the americans. they live in general thanks to herbert hoover, because tens of millions of people would have died dozens more, such were the dimensions of the head, which was not created by the bolsheviks, but was simply the result of bolshevik policy, and he told me well vitaliy well, why should you and i invent something when there is correspondence, i read it in

stalin's archives by members of the politburo of the cpsu, where he clearly says that the ukrainian village is the center of this entire ukrainian national movement and that without victory over the ukrainian village we will not be able to solve the issue of the soviet union as a whole, you and i simply do not understand what is going on in the 33rd only 12 years have passed since the new occupation of ukraine, for them it was still an occupied territory, it became purely soviet after 1945 , they looked at it not as their own, but something could happen, the poles will come again, which in the 20th year, they marched on may 9, in the 20th year, the victory parade was real in kyiv, and in this way, where

were the borders of this famine? there was a russian poet he definitely noticed he was a nerf and he saw what was happening it’s just poetic it’s not a historian it’s a poet and then kazakhstan is just like the holodomor we don’t know much about it where it happened first of all in kazakh villages and in ukrainian colonies clear ethnic borders, people of other nationalities usually died when they were surrounded by all this, people were not allowed out there, there were agricultural colonies, german jewish people went there to earn a living, to er, to have some land well, they also died of hunger, in fact, but this pigeon was not directed against them ethnic, and against their ukrainian neighbors, they became yet another victim of hunger organized against ukrainian lands. yes, mr. vitaly