and the city is hundreds of new cases. i'm afraid to even imagine what will happen when mariupol is liberated, there will be tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of cases, yes, but hmm, it means that these people did it, they must be arrested, they must be held accountable. until then they are on the territory of russia and until russia falls apart, well, or on the occupied side, i don't believe, to be honest, that russia will be occupied, rather, everything has developed , but no one will be able to arrest these people. that is , it can drag on for years. of course, there, like us they saw it at the tribunal, hmm, at the tribunal, in the malaysian boyle case, he dragged on for eight years, and they sentenced three, three, that means that the russians were arrested in their absence, that is, they were not present at the hearing, that is, they are convicted, but they will continue to live in russia, this is

really important, good for justice, for justice, because we already have a court decision and we can refer to it. when someone there does not know the propagandist and says that there was no russia, we say that such a court decision is possible for us to seize the assets of some russians on the basis of this, but these murderers are not freedmen, that is, even if this tribunal is created, it will last for years and for now, these people are realistic. so what kind of courtroom is this? this past saturday

ukrainians honored the memory of the victims of the holodomor and the day before moldova, romania, ireland recognized the holodomor as genocide of the ukrainian people, this wednesday the bundestag will vote on whether to recognize the holodomor as genocide. excuse the four democratic parties of germany, that is, three parties of the governing coalition and one - this is the largest, meaning the largest opposition party, the christian democratic union, the christian social union well, they are the leaders of these parties , they have already said that their factions called on them to vote for recognition, that is, there is obviously a majority in the bundestag. i think that there

will be approximately the same result as when there was a vote and regarding the supply of weapons to ukraine if we remember, there are also four of the main parties in germany, the four democratic parties of germany voted almost entirely for it, if i'm not mistaken, only two people voted against it, well, it was there, i didn't i know there are 500-600 deputies who voted for supply weapons, so i think that now it will be approximately the same. well, maybe a little more will be against it, but i think that this vote will be absolutely simple, i will just put an end to this issue, what is important is what it happened right in front of our eyes, because it was still there 2 years ago, three years ago, i remember how mariloidze beck is a former deputy of the green party. she tried to organize a speech in the bundestag. timothy snyder's timothy

snyder's is a historian of the british that is researches the history of ukraine and central-eastern europe exactly what to tell the german deputies about why this topic is important to you why russia committed crimes in ukraine why ukraine should be supported and it was impossible to organize it the meeting by the wesnaiders is still the same. she tried to hold a vote on the holodomor, but nothing happened either. hmm, today there is full support for this idea, and we see that in fact, what a shame, and of course, it would be better than that. it was not, but this war of russia against ukraine, this genocide that is happening now, he actually closed the issue

of many historical discussions in germany in such a terrible and cruel way, they have already lost their relevance and they have already automatically reached the concert, that's why i think that the vote will be positive for ukraine, the holodomor will finally be recognized as a genocide, which it was for 90 years, it worked out. it's just, well, it's incredibly long, but it's important in order for the next genocide, which is happening now, to have it already condemn further, i am here at the end, what is this? this is the story of the patriots who were handed over by germany to poland, and this is the whole story about the fact that it would be good to hand them over to ukraine, and i remember that when i ask for marriage, i am already gathering everything, everything, everything. i apologize she is in scholz, when he presented these cheetahs, he did such a small photo shoot for himself ah and it was too. i understand that the answer to criticism in particular there and even colleagues there is the same,

but for the burbek i understand that he stands out for his faster determination and in support of ukraine and he is but many of the germans laughed a little at this photo shoot. so does this mean that this story with the petrots shows that it is still the same? hmmm, it seems to me that in ukraine we do not often, we often do not understand that neither german politicians, they were absolutely still like this raised in a pacifist way because the voters don't expect it either, is this change a revolutionary change in the principle of understanding the role of germany, it gives chances that after all, these patriots can also one day convey that it will become an agenda, or after all germany is not revolutionizing so quickly. i don't think that we are witnessing such a crazy evolution

of germany. i think that germany will continue to refrain as much as possible from military activities abroad. well, at least because the bundeswehr is not capable of this. it will be confirmed - it will be funded. there is not enough equipment and, to be honest, there are not enough people who are ready to do it, and whose germany will be ready to transfer more weapons. so, i think that it will be because we already see that such purely pacifists well in my opinion, this is a pseudopa, it is a tail, because pacifism is the protection of peace. and what you are doing, this movement, is actually supporting the aggressor, supporting the war. well, this is such a pseudopa, this is a tail's calls not to provide weapons means to stop and it means to do nothing and they will all end by themselves, and they will be realized the further, the more, and

no serious politicians say that there is no need to provide weapons, and a year ago it was the absolute mainstream, and you remember even this elena burbek, who really is now one of the most active pro-ukrainian representatives of the german government, when she came to kiev in early february, she said that germany would not provide weapons because you have a separate german responsibility. well, that is, it was a completely screwed-up idea of ​​responsibility, but she broadcast this narrative for another 9 9 months 9 months ago, and i think that uh, in fact, we see such a post, a gradual step-by-step movement, that is, i think that the patriots will be delivered sooner or later, just well, you know, uh, the german establishment able to perfectly solve any issue at

the moment when it has already lost its relevance, this is exactly what we will observe and now, that is, germany always moves 1-2 steps outside the timeline. that is, the patriots will be put. i think, uh, but it is better not to move. before, but it moves reliably if you have already taken the course. then you can not put it in this case, it does not work. neither is german punctuality - it is, unfortunately, mix, and every person who moves on the german railway knows this, if you compare the ukrainian railway and the german railway that's it the ukrainian railway should teach the german railway how to stick to the schedule , these stereotypes were dispelled. thank you, mr. serhiy, for the conversation . serhiy, an honest german political scientist, an expert

on eastern european issues, was with us. from time to time from abroad some meetings are invited to which her husband artem chekh is also a writer who is fighting fought in 2014, now he went to war again and there was a meeting where they were both invited to him they managed to escape, they gave them a vacation where they talked about the war, they read out some of their works of art about the war and not only about the war, and actually the germans who came to these meetings ask different questions, for example, someone there says that what do you think we knew about the holodomor no we didn't study this at school, we did n't know anything about it at all. people will also share their impressions about the fact that, for example, one woman in germany learned that ukrainians, forced migrants, had settled near her. through eh this is a full-scale invasion, then she deliberately

cut out the letter z on the common lawn for evil. ugh, or they come and say that how are you different from russians? why are we not russians? why are you even fighting ? shares her impressions of how they were traveling on a train and some german policemen were saying something condescendingly about them among themselves, probably because they heard the ukrainian language and she also heard and saw a flag on her husband's jacket, she tore off the word ukraine and came up and asked what exactly did they say and they answered no german policemen have studied german and you will understand that's why the mood in germany is different well, we have to work to change them maybe there should be some kind of information policy available in german or english espresso by the way, there is an english-language channel that speaks english for

in order for the world to learn more about ukraine and about the full-scale war that russia has now unleashed in ukraine, andriy osadchuk and oksana savchuk, people's deputies of ukraine, are joining us welcome to our stage, gentlemen. good day. good day. let's certainly start with such an interesting story that your colleague says that deputies are not influential people. now during the war, your colleague david arahamia said that he gave klychkov a week to get things in order. with points of invincibility, because otherwise there will be trouble, they will change the nickname to other people, i don’t know for sure, i don’t know for several or for one a-a it turns out that this is possible, so what about you mr. andriy, mrs. oksana, you also make a couple of ultimatums, for example, immediately on this forest ranger or something, the head of vatniprovska will be replaced there, that is, hey yarmak,

you have a week for accommodation, even four days is too much, everyone works well, he is joking a little, but what is your attitude to this story in general, eh, that the people's elected eh, eh, instructs the mayor, and this there is an elected position arithmetic is good if you allow literally two words, that is, klitschko said before that that 400 of those points worked, and arahamiv said that he visited 530 there, six or how many of them, 20% did not work, simple arithmetic shows that 400 with something worked as klitschko said, what is the story anyway? i don't understand, you can look like this, first of all, i want to thank the mayor of kyiv for the work he and the whole team are doing. as for the statements, of course, they do not count, do not

fit and are not objective during the war, which are made by the people's elected officials, because including the head of the largest faction in the parliament, david arahamiv. what is this connected with? turn with dislike, the party's servant of the people to the mayor of kyiv, that's all you know for one year, this love is already so much longer, but it ca n't come out publicly, and believe me, there are a lot of vca heads who are appointed by the office of the president shmegalenko, each has different quotas those who generally do not cope with their responsibilities globally, then first of all they need to take care of what the higher vertical of government is responsible for and then tell the mayors how they should cope, i would still understand if they told this to those mayors who do not do something

they do, well, here it is only a matter of politics and i would like you not to have this policy in the capital, and this is a lack of authority, of course, the people's deputy has the right to check, we can all check, we can all express our opinion, but then it does not always apply to the same city a it should be objective. unfortunately, there is more politics than objectivity here. i would make an addition in this vein . and if it is not just the opinion of one of the deputies, let it be an influential one, and if it is a real threat, what do these words mean, we will replace you we will find people who can handle it better than you. how can it look like? is it ok as it is or will it not be a violation? well, look first. good morning once again, i will actually continue oksana's rhetoric, because she is essentially right, it's probably even a little easier for me to talk about it as a native of kyiv who was physically born

on shektovychnaya street many years ago and lived here all his life. i have big complaints against vitaliy volodymyrovych and the team that worked with him. i was a deputy of the kyiv city council for three years and i know a lot about the city. economy ah, but uh, i also know that for the three years that the servant of the people has effectively ruled this country as a monopoly, they really want to seize power in the city of kyiv. it's not a secret for anyone, we remember when they wanted to hold early elections back in december of 19, do you remember there was such a story, then they gave up on it, there was an idea to seize power through the elections of 20 lost to all others candidates, and the

servant of the people faction was introduced in the kyiv city council, if i am not mistaken, 12 out of 10 or 13 deputies out of 120 deputies in the kyiv city council, that is, it was and is in fact a catastrophic minority, and at the same time, we remember that in local elections in the 20th year, the servant of the people actually did not receive a single mayor's seat in the great kyiv ukrainian cities, so this is the problem they have, and of course they understand that this ancient formula that whoever governs controls kyiv actually controls ukraine is very confusing to them and now this whole rhetoric of confrontation with klitschko is really continuing, despite the war, which has been repeated for more than one day. about the capital, if who forgot, there was such a very long discussion, which in my opinion is again

completely inadequate, because the whole point of it is not to bring the city of kyiv to the capital of ukraine, but to displace vitaliy volodymyrovych, the leader. i believe everything is absolutely unacceptable to connect all these topics because i, for example, feel pain about the fate of kyiv and i want a future of high-quality kyiv. that the political struggle continues, the struggle for the information space continues, we see that the servants of the people and the office of the president are very jealous of any of the famous politicians who is perceived as a leader as a local leader and whether someone likes it or not, but he is not going anywhere from the first day in kyiv and, just like volodymyr zelenskyi, he did not run away. he is courageously going through all these difficult days and months together with the city of

kyiv, and as for me, again, despite all my claims against him, he is currently doing a very good job, and as a deputy of the verkhovna rada, instead of a servant of the people , he should be more involved in some more practical matters. and if they have questions for the kyiv local self-government, they should fulfill them in accordance with the law through their faction in the kyiv city council, let them ask questions , let them work with the kyiv authorities, that's how i feel about all of this, well, apart from the fact that the arachamia couple said that he did not visit the points of invincibility and that not all of them are working and running, he also said that that the people of kyiv need to sign up for products, and besides, there is this volodymyr petrov - he is a pr man who pretends to be a journalist, but in such circles of pr people he is known as a black pr man, so he, too, is already starting to shake the opinion in social networks that

where are all these points of invincibility and why does it work so badly? what are we going to do next? this is a targeted company because i think i got full access to facebook last night. so i turned around and read that there are no less than five people writing there. i saw members of the verkhovna rada who wrote similar posts regarding these so-called points of inviolability of the city of kyiv, i.e. it is obvious that this was a given purposeful team of such a scumbag if you forgive me for this non-parliamentary term for the kyiv city system, so it is not surprising that the so-called journalists like petrova there, everyone else also joined in on this. that is, this is another round of this confrontation between the office and the kmda. another story, you have already touched on it a little. it is about uh, about information policy and how it should be

controlled . what is happening around the mayor is the same thing that there is a story with that new channel that arose literally out of nothing. more precisely, this is a former team from the akhmetov holding, which was called i ukraine quite we ukraine so cool contributions founded this akhmetov's tv channel then explained that it was not related to him in any way. this new tv channel has no relationship, but this tv channel, which was newly created, very quickly. moreover, it very quickly got a place among this, it is the only news where, for example , there has not been a place for the espresso tv channel in the city for so long. by the way, journalists from ukrainian pravda also investigated that

this trove, which is now this tv channel, is new. of the former, a former enterprise that sold carpets and furniture. here, the owner is 76%, and the beneficiary is igor petrenko, who is a political scientist or something. and who is allegedly related to the office of the president, the elephant looks at what we are now receiving at a fast pace. the new channel about the powerful office of the president, and we are literally . explanations and it is also important the legality of the functioning as such of this marathon of the only news which looks like a strange fusion of oligarchs,

oligarchs, politicians and the office of the president, here is yours , too, your comment, how much is it all, how should it be regulated by the verkhovna rada, does it need some kind of regulation, thank you let's start with the fact that there are actually a number of journalists who worked for the psg party at the front of the party. they are also certain collaborators because they conducted propaganda activities and when we adopted the law on collaboration is covered by this law not only there, politicians from pro-russian parties also fall under it, moscow priests fall under it , journalists fall under it, the only question is that, unfortunately, this case has not reached any conclusion and there is no punishment for those people for the things they also did to ukrainian society this is the first, the second thesis is that when akhmetov

gave licenses, so to speak, because of the law on oligarchs, he did not give either the studio or the camera, not all the equipment , it was just a license and it was such a certain game and accordingly, the new channel was created because the equipment is all there are people, in fact, almost part of it was taken under the state budget under cover, part remained. that is, we understand that there is, you know , a certain distribution of the information space, a key e-e minus today in wartime, it is a controlled information space in the formation space controlled by everyone today really goes through the single marathon and through other networks because there is always a panic fear of the first e. a space that they did not control, and in fact, thanks to the wartime, they decided to

solve this issue by controlling and financing a lot of things from the state budget, and thus so that after the war, when the war is over, when there is victory, quick elections will be made for closed lists, and everyone who is needed will be included in those closed lists and by the same controlling information effective space to get full power again, therefore it is really something that is visible not only to our foreign partners, to our friends, and it is visible today to all adequate people and and who get information anyway most of the population through television, that is why we really have this problem, we repeatedly raise it in the parliament because for me it is an announcement probably like you for my colleagues when we vote in the council to show the people something that we in the council have adopted, that is, until what did

we achieve that we are asking to put to a vote the coverage of the issue and when we voted on the state budget it was asked to show people how we voted on the state budget how we spoke little, the majority simply did not want to show it and it was us unfortunately, although they had to do this , the issue will escalate, and here all conscious deputies need to unite in order for the information space to be multifaceted, yes, andriy, well, look, we have been talking about this topic for more than the first month, and this story is actually very bad, i don't know how much the president's office realizes or not the formal and nominal leaders of the people's servants, but this story will have a hundred percent impact on ukraine's relations with our allies, uh, after the victory, we must understand that we are protecting not just the territorial integrity of our land, we are

not just trying to liberate the occupied territories and our people, we are protecting the constitutional system of the rule of law and democracy. issues freedom of speech freedom of the press access to information is absolutely defining for the democratic society that we really are and the whole story is about the struggle for control of power this not about democracy, but in fact the fact that it started not on the 24th, but just a lot of events and we may have already forgotten what happened since the summer last year when it became obvious that the president's office was preparing for the next parliamentary and presidential elections and for they need this, as oksana correctly says, to control the media space, and this topic started with the rada channel

, that is, in december of last year, when they began their stormy activities there by financing the so-called dom e channel and so on. what could the verkhovna rada do ? i did, i will remind you that in the second reading in the first reading, the amendments that we provided were 1.5, if i am not mistaken, billions of hryvnias for the telethon and for the so-called series for the ministry of culture. in fact, this is all the money for the marathon, or is it completely inadequate? i am the same fundamental project freedom of speech as public broadcasting in ukraine also received 1.5 billion, but if you compare the importance of public broadcasting and a telethon, then, excuse me, probably public broadcasting is worth much more for freedom of speech in ukraine, the development of an independent press, but so far we have what we have and what is the same espresso tv direct remains outside the so-called marathon, and there i think it is quite impudent to include uh, we are

ukraine, yes, it is called, it is actually about our future, because if someone thinks that the west owes us money on reconstruction, then he is very wrong, the west will cooperate with democratic ukraine, which meets informally and realistically the standards of democracy, where freedom of speech is an integral part, so i would very much ask all formal and informal leaders, okay the coalition and the leaders of our country to think once more about this issue and remove at least the external eyes, these are irritants that are obvious not only to the vashchuk novel, which are obvious to all our allies . the best thing that can be done now is to include espresso directly in this so-called marathon simply in

order to ensure the diversity of opinions that exist in modern ukraine and again to stop limiting other politicians because not only the office the president is running the country, you don't see the minister of defense. we don't actually see anything useful in the news feeds. and people get the impression that everything is controlled by two people from the president's office. what is actually a distortion of the reality of today in ukraine, moreover, this narrative that sounds in this marathon and the given news about the fact that everyone owes us because we are some kind of exceptional, and it sounds . and many people, many ukrainians, have already believed that the west owes us and must rebuild this country. thank you for participating in our broadcast. andriy osadchuk, people's deputy of ukraine, and oksana savchuk, people's deputy of ukraine, were with us . andriy saichuk and i, lesya vakulyuk, were with you, and now anzhelika will be with you for a season of news. anzhelika, thank you for your word, colleagues. well, another danger has appeared.