the main main points of heating are located in schools, but in other institutions, including the social sphere, so it is absolutely normal to access them at any time, it is possible to show that there is no access. there is no map and no access. i will contact all deputies after the broadcast and ask where he was going. why didn't he get there? if a specific case interests you and is interesting, we will look into it. in kyiv and in other cities. i also wanted to ask you. now most of these points are planned to be located in schools, kindergartens, etc. please tell me , it turns out that this burden falls on the employees of the schools, on the teachers, on the directors. i understood correctly. well, if we are talking about kyiv in this case, i i apologize, but if you are talking about the illustration, then it was correct to show the other

heating points that are at the beginning of the program, even you showed where they work, yes, it is tied to a video with people's deputies. it would be fair and then the position would be such a contradiction, believe me, i can wait for you personally after work, we will come and see what conditions are created in urban heating points for people, believe me , they are absolutely normal, that's just what we're showing. we say no we are all working, we are talking about the fact that there is a map where these points are marked that will work , but somewhere is closed. that's all, i will tell you that in order for everyone to understand the map and where exactly the points are located, because there may be different entrances, somewhere one entrance is closed there is another, well, probably some kind

time is needed for this, but as a comment, we perceive that additional pointers are needed, some kind of navigation should be done so that there are no such problems with searching for heating points, and we will definitely do it, i understand you, thank you very much petro panteleyev, the deputy head of the kmda , joined our broadcast, and now the political scientist oleksa okane e olezhe is joining the broadcast. to the authorities for the profanation with the opening of the so-called points of inviolability, so people's deputies from the ruling party rushed to check the condition of these points , what does it look like? what do the deputies really care so much for the residents of kyiv and want to help the call to improve these points? are these political games,

or what are they about ? vitaly klitschko himself claims. well, let's reject the fact that at least some of these deputies really care about their voters. it's definitely not worth it. i know certain cases of majoritarians, well , in particular, you can even name roman hryshchuk there who are really closely present in their district, who really care and check, and accordingly here, when people are constantly engaged in this, you can say that this is a sincere political position, but the fact that a significant part of them deputies who rushed to check syria, which i tyshchenko and others points to indomitability, well, it is obvious that they saw in the words of the president a direct sign to action to go check pr and, accordingly, inspect these points , why is this happening, on the one hand, the basis of this context is long-standing tensions the relationship between the voice of the president and the kyiv state administration dribner klitschko, it is obvious

that the war became a certain truce at the watering hole. although before that we remember what the battles were between and why these battles are taking place, because kyiv is not only the most resourceful place, the city of ukraine is actually the second budget after the state in the country, but in addition to this and this is not a little attentive first, it is the capital in which all national politics takes place, the largest percentage of, say, the middle class of active voters lives and revolutions take place in that is, in kyiv, this is the electorate that is very important and significant for the government because of its proximity and because of its activity, its qualitative characteristics, and therefore here, on the one hand, the government can be said to have activated this old a vyalu such a conflict, and on the other hand, judging by it was activated by the fact that mr. klitschko does not go into the direct vertical subordination of the office, as some other mayors did, but on the other hand, this

is, objectively speaking, a rather unsuccessful company in deploying these points of indomitability, and directly threatens today the ratings of the president and his political power and, accordingly, the stability of this voter, because if they start to be indignant in kyiv, then first of all, even klitschko will feel this indignation as much as the central government and the president, who in the conditions of war, understandably concentrated his he does not just have colossal power in his hands, as it was before , but actually exercises monopoly power, so there is also an objective reason here, it is self-defense and really an interest in ensuring that the people of kyiv are not outraged the situation received normal service from the point of view of a points of inviolability, but on the other hand there are also chronic conflicts of efforts to concentrate more power in their hands in relation to kyiv and in points of inviolability these two stories converged points of inviolability became the trigger actually simply and objectively sub objective components they

exploded at this point clashed interests and to say that this is only now a political struggle no because realistically invented by the bystanders from this should be now society and get this normal service and the central government is interested in this, including on the other hand, to say that this is not a political story when deputies who have never appeared in these constituencies go and conduct a type of inspection under the camera, well , it is clear that this is absolutely political pr and a political game because you just need to separate the flies from the cutlets here, but obviously there are problems with the points of unbreakability, some of them work well, some of them even in places without knowing that these points of unbreakability should be there, people are confused about maps, and by the way, this is not only a kyiv problem, but hmm, but on the other hand, there is also this chronic political process, i understand. this is true, not only a problem in the capital. i encourage our viewers to write in the comments what the situation is with their points of indomitability . sahakyan, a political scientist, we discussed the political component of this

whole story. well, the local authorities of odessa report that all the points of invincibility in the city work without interruption, what is the actual situation in odessa with the points of heating and are they ready to accept a large the number of people at the same time will be told in more detail by kateryna bankova from odesa. odesa is still recovering from the rocket attacks that damaged the energy infrastructure of ukraine in our city . in most cities of ukraine, the lights are turned on only for a few hours a day and, unfortunately, the schedules do not work because of the emergency shutdown of the previous for a week, it was warm in the point of invincibility, which was set up by rescuers of the state emergency service. this time, i decided to check the points on the map and the others a-a. i chose a lyceum from the

central district of the city and shelter, so i offer check how everything works, there is a generator, there are extension cords , there are chairs and ottomans, tables, so everything is there to recharge your gadgets, the only thing is that there is no stable internet, so, unfortunately, it will not be possible to work, also in this lyceum, a room for mothers and children and a medical center, another point of invincibility was equipped in the bomb shelter literally 10 minutes from the one in the lyceum there are chairs here there is a toilet there is also a kettle unfortunately there is no such internet as in the last point of invincibility, so it will not work here either a-a but a plus because you can recharge your gadgets even during an air alert, it will be safe . some business representatives who have a generator and just

let odessans recharge their gadgets from odessa show an example of indomitability. according to the scheme, 3 hours without light, 5 hours, three hours with light, more precisely, 5 hours without light, the general director of the dtek network told about this in a commentary on radio svoboda today oleksandr fomenko, according to him, this week it will be possible to switch to the schedules of hourly restrictions that worked before, but only if there are no new shellings. to whom in ukraine will the electricity supply be restored first and when the lights are fully returned to the liberated kherson region? the situation with electricity supply in ukraine and with the state of power grids is now continuing to be restored and there are restrictions on the supply of e , which gives us the opportunity to meet the needs of e-e average consumers by 60%. but i want to point

out that first of all, we restore the objects of life support, then the population and industry , and if we restore the objects of support in full, then only 30 or 40% of this part remains for the needs of the population and industry depending on the regions, therefore, the schedules of hourly shutdowns do not work now, earlier you mentioned that in kyiv, light for consumers will be provided for several hours, for only 2-3 hours , until the amount of electricity that can be increased distribute to them approximately how much time is needed in order to restore this volume. unfortunately, the power study is not enough for the transition of the distribution companies to the hourly restrictions developed by the galaxy. therefore, we continue to work in that mode, as on friday, we turn on our agents on

3 hours and we turn it off for five in this mode, and we will be able to work for a few more days. well, if there are no shelling, are the specialists of your company ready for possible further damage, if there are repeated shelling, or if there are problems what do you say with the weather conditions in fully equipped emergency teams with special equipment and necessary materials, but the materials are enough well, we are using a lot of materials right now, it is the count of our stock, we are helped by international donors, but this is not enough, so we are working now, i guess, please evaluate the prospect of restoration and electricity supply to the city of kherson and

possibly some regions within the kherson region, at what stage are the restoration works now, well, they are currently active restoration works, and both in the city of kherson in the south of the e-e regions and in the north of the region, the defendant 150 kw line was repaired, which revived the city of kherson and currently continues the kherson oblenergo campaigns to turn on the residents of kherson, about 17% of the residents already have electricity, now the work continues we help our the garden brigades are actively working in the city, already in kherson, the guys from dnipropetrovsk are working on the restoration of the line in the north of the liberated region, so the work is very

active and there is confidence that the residents the kherson region will be without electricity for the next few weeks, the general director of dtek told about the prospects for the restoration of electricity, in the meantime i will read the news that the secretary of the national security and defense council oleksiy danilov called on partners to provide the ukrainian armed forces with missiles with a range of 800 over 800 km to solve of the energy problem, this is the process danilov just wrote in his twitter account . well, bakhmut is a city in donetsk region, next to which the front line passes, a correspondent of radio liberty serhiy horbatenko went there together with volunteers who took burzhujikas and drinking water for the local residents to bakhmut. how do these people explain their decision

to stay in the city despite the war? what can we do, well , realistically, how is it possible to fly around the population, everything is falling in our city, everyone already knows about the city, it is beautiful, everything will be known there, well, what is this, what is this law, i do not understand at all. there, in my opinion, in russia, there is something like that lypa story yes, there in the ground, in the ground, he started

a big joke. who collected all this and now we are shipping it, a good movement is being made. thank you. and for the flow - these are the girls who collected the money and made them burgundy, which girls, who made them, these were heard by the debtors, they were made to order in the city of kostyantynivka, and the girls are residents of bakhmut and not only bakhmut and we are always useful. this is probably what is needed most of all. water and beer bottles. well, we also need fuel for the generator and food and heating. well, how about warm things ? we give blankets to people. people

believe in the armed forces that everything will be good, our bakhmut will remain whole, at least for now, as it is, although not completely destroyed until this grace is generally good, clean, beautiful, then loving people worked, made plans, well, the end of the war, that’s how that's all let's go let's go let's go out to evacuate probably we went yes we went and why did we go and then come back when it's over they called those who were leaving called his son and said that

suspected of a stroke we are courting eating wood with our noses we are courting the neighbor was told to drive it yourself, take out the car and take

it out. what is the situation there in odesa and i want to sell it to you - it is traditional to ask what the situation is in the so-called points of invincibility in your regions, write in the comments well, in the meantime, mykhailo podolyak, advisor to the head of the president's office, joins the broadcast good evening volodymyr zelenskyi accused the kyiv city hall of poor organization of the point and for example, the mayor of the capital vitaliy klitschko said that manipulation and political games are taking place here, what are the claims of the authorities to the organization of heating points in kyiv and not in other cities let's go straight away, there are no accusations and there are no political games at all, forget about the war now, that is, there is no political season. i want you and i to record this very important . there is no political season as such. there is also a second component that is possible, which the president constantly talks about. how simple is this as a flagship a city that everyone can see, yes, and there are many here, we have a large

agglomeration, five of the remaining million people are located here, even certain more, because there are many immigrants, there is such a different issue today - it is the second key is the speed of logistical decisions, that is, you don’t need to do something for pr, you don’t need to do something in order to make a picture somewhere, tell something that we have a low number of heating points. invincibility somewhere, they just have to be made, that’s how tents are made for air landing and the generator is brought there. i understand that there are logistical difficulties, which are very simple . inviolability, i.e. water, food, etc., communication as such to be provided on the spot, i.e. , we want to be at the same level, and uh, that is, uh, the office of the president, the cabinet of ministers, and local authorities , and in this case, we are not talking about the

vertical, the president heads of e-e oblast administrations, civil administrations , military-civilian administrations, or simply administrations. and we are talking about mayors, electoral positions. we want there to be synergy here, that is, it is necessary to specifically decide for what number of people how many points of unbreakability or heating are needed, it does not matter what they are where they will be installed, it is necessary to quickly find the premises that will be equipped, it is necessary to talk with the relevant structures, i mean with the relevant ministries, for example, with a min figure, what about starlinks additionally and simply do it logistically, there is definitely no perfect design today, but everything is already working perfectly with us, no so and it won't be. throughout the difficult winter, there will always be some problems that will have to be

solved , and that's why i want us to solve them. this is only a remark from the point of view of necessity. i will clarify, it is not just such a remark. the president said that we will not forget or forgive this profanity. this is how he formulated it , and i have a question here. how good is your communication with the mayors? well, the president stated that there is a map of the points of inviolability. come and see if it turned out that the authorities found out about this map from the news and simply did not have time to prepare some of the points that the president's office published on this map. concrete communication at the level of i once again emphasize the heads of the ova and the heads of regional administrations and at the level of e-mails there is absolutely normal communication working communication this is the first second conclusion you emphasize the emotional components we will definitely not

forgive if somewhere at some level someone is for such a campaign it does not solve any issues in the difficult conditions of the war, well, it is not that we will not forgive, it will be an objective assessment of everyone who and how worked during the war in order to minimize any logistical difficulties. you have to go to the conflict, you understand, there is no election season, there is no political season, there is no rating, those who went to these points and recorded themselves on their phones got the impression that the election campaign has started in our country, well, you have seen this video, you know, i agree with you, this is really a little strange and we had this at the beginning of the war, do you remember? well, not at the very beginning of the war, then many deputies from different factions went to other cities and there.

oblast deputies very often, especially from a number of factions. they went to roadblocks and took pictures of themselves there and showed them. look, i remember saying , servants of the people, let's watch everything actively. that these political games have just begun. i understand, but look, there is no political season, there are no ratings. there is no competition as such for places somewhere. and what is there is just the desire of people to mask their not very effective work, which are we with public statements, it can be positive statements , it can be a selfie at a roadblock, it can be a selfie , as you say, at the point of invincibility, it can

be, again, a statement of an aggressive current that political games are still in my opinion, the president is very clear. let's take it, friends, and make a solution logistics tasks, in particular, the point of invincibility should be a list of certain services, there should be as many of them as there may be a need for, for example, in the city of kyiv, if we are talking about kyiv or anywhere, we believe that the number of people who needs this job, well, that is, the math is simple. after that, we make this number of items , they cannot be made in 1-2-3 hours tomorrow, a week later, but we need to talk less about making a kind of informal headquarters that will take care of the logistical task so that there are enough of such items in one or another region of ukraine, you still said that you have good communication with the mayors. well, i'm not the only one here. klychka

wanted to mention that the mayor of dnipro, borys filatov, gave an interview to the publication of the weekly mirror, and he says that too for example, he didn't know about the existence of this map . he had the task of organizing some points in it. he organized them. but do they match the map or not, and they say that communications with the president's office are not very good, to put it mildly. look, these are very good questions definitely, well, from the point of view of what you want us to start saying, look, we are effective , they are not effective, we have a conflict, we have a bad commission, mr. podolyak, i understand this, but look , communication is a two-way movement, they are not they talk to you you can type no, well, again, you put the accent they don't talk to you you don't talk to them you're looking for a political component in this and so on and i'm talking about communication - it always depends on specific people and the

ability of these people to take pick up the phone and say we are ready to do this we are ready not to do it and so on. and not to bear it is a ukrainian tradition, there is a certain nuance from the point of view of your ability that you did not do logistically and there is something for example you did not communicate with anyone and instead of saying it in an informal or formal mode, you come out and say, i have no communication, so there will be no points of invincibility in the city. well, it looks strange, we are at war with you. well, let's return to the normal understanding of the situation in which we work, it's a little weak to call well, that is, pick up the phone and say we don't understand this and how do we need it, where should we get additional antiques, where should we get additional generators, and who will, for example, take care of which people from which region should bring additional ones there

well, what kind of people are the displaced people who should be fixed behind those sensitive points of indomitability there. where did they move to? well, this must be done. and it must be conducted in a dialogue. you must not always look for a component of the political conflict. i will clarify for you. from the party, the authorities did not go to inspect the points of invincibility. these are very important locations. the winter is ahead . there will probably still be rocket attacks. why didn't they go to inspect them in other cities? why only in kyiv? and why do you think they won't go because i didn’t record the video, but i only saw it from kyiv. there are a number of indomitable points such as these are already a proven model. yes, they may not be enough, but they have already been developed. in kyiv, i saw that they practically do not exist. and it was desirable that

they start to be created. i don’t say again, i'm not saying that everything should work 100% so that they are created and that there are again fewer conversations and more logistical work, this was not the arrangement of the president's office for the deputies, let's take the phone and go inspect the decision of the head of the faction by the way, i want us all to work proactively and you ask the right questions and we, i think that due to these issues due to the fact that we are so publicly these issues, we are at different levels again a subscriber and we will have synergy between the state as the state and local self-government bodies and parchamiy simply suggested that let's add others, then we will provide help if help is needed. we will help , we will do it together.

well, i wish you synergy with filatov with klitschko and the zarakhs and may everything work out for you because the points of invincibility are still important or the points of heating are important before winter, especially in the light when there may be missile strikes mykhailo podolyak, adviser to the head of the president's office, was on radio svoboda well and at the beginning of the program we asked you if you use heating points in ukraine 84% do not change this indicator do not use 16 use please also write what problems in your settlements with heating points correspondents of radio svoboda work in that region, and we would be able to cover this issue. and finally, i traditionally encourage you to subscribe to the pages of radio svoboda on the internet, in social networks, instagram telegram, facebook twitter, and we also have two youtube channels, radio svoboda and radio svoboda ukraine where we publish reports and programs that we make for you so that you

quickly receive information about what is happening in ukraine and in the world against the background of the full-scale russian invasion of ukraine until tomorrow, so that ukrainians don't think about, so that they don't talk, war still comes out, war is our victory, seven days a week from monday to monday, seven different spheres of human activity, sports, culture, politics, eight presenters , espresso, journalists, experts, opinion leaders in real time about the most relevant events through the prism of war every day author's projects on espresso