hitler, eh, and this is another blow, eh, who pushed lukashenko to the last salina, but his chances have decreased, and the time has come sharply after the death, after the death. come on, now the person who is already dead, may he rest in peace with god, but what's next in belarus? who can become the minister of foreign affairs? the affairs of this country, your country, and what can happen next, do you understand the russian lobby and the decision of lukashenko himself? well, let me say that because of what was given to the helmets, many people are thinking that it is necessary to apply for the review

to this position and then it was not authoritative because there is a huge amount of everything else that will be needed well, just as we see the shirt the russian debt and they will bow their heads low , that's why the situation is opposition to the idea of ​​lukashenko, and he's not like that. there aren't many people who can fill this position . because here i am i hear on your channels that there is 28 aggression against belarus. well, at the moment, there is no machinery for this, if only a few thousand

russian mobs, which is definitely not the place and the russian bases are not the place here, but it will be pierced. well, there is no reason that i can’t do it. it's just like that, it's going to be eh, in short, they'll disperse just normally, well, look, but anyway, we're not going to disperse the storm, but i'll ask you a question about this, but lukashenko is now trying to maneuver between not to attack and to to attack, that is, to get involved in the war in ukraine and not to get involved, he has been trying to do this since february 24. volodymyr volodymyrovych i'm going well, i'll tell you that of course, uh, lukashenko is on the way to the moscow police. by the way, how

does his rhetoric change and the period appears in general belarus, he tells the truth about pensions, accepted things as soon as putin's help appears immediately aggressive speech of judas direct well, it's just mr. jaykin, er, that's right, this is siri, and that's why, of course, eh, that's all, and he is dependent on the hall, dependent on moscow at the moment, the entire economy of belarus, where is russia with asian countries, the exits to the west are blocked sanctions are relatively serious. i understand everything, but i will repeat myself once again. i am a direct member of the belarusian army.

it's the army that doesn't want to fight with the ukraine of the world , it's been nine months and it's been bulging out. fatal, that's why i don't really think that i don't believe it, but it's not analyzed, that's why i doubt that they won't go to heterok after all. belarusian authorities, what do you mean, i have on mind the fact that the army will calm down eh, do you understand that this is the moment eh, it's already clear

, look today, the information appeared this morning, lukashenko said that he is going to go to meet putin again, again obviously with some kind of bow and how he motivates this meeting that there were some problems, in particular bureaucratic ones, what did he mean he will go again to ask for money and because, well, there is not enough money for the economy of belarus, that is, the sanctions are working or why why he is going, you do not know, i will tell you that this is what it looks like of course, it’s more coaching and i’ll remind you that eh. probably to the same thing. what number of matei grew after his legs and he returned to straighten lukashenko probably. this is where he was in sochi. how did she briefly catch putin and then he got stuck for 5 days and brought a puppy from eh ? it means caucasian elizer and so on and we will pass it on to some personnel sent to the belarusian fucking history that's exactly what the

little sister with the name came up with, i'll appoint a sonnet to the prince and the meeting with some kind of charm, the italians and the russians will release eh lukashenko he arrived who was late for a former position there at every meeting, the cost of lego looks like it’s not enough that they’re hot, uh, every such trip is in an extremely dangerous position, which he puts himself in. well, what is the situation with the belarusian economy? maybe he goes to ask for more money because he constantly he speaks in all his speeches

. it seems that an incredible harvest was harvested in the belarusian fields, and despite everything , he can, what is the state of the belarusian economy now , can he go to putin on the road, give me money, well, i think that this is not all the economy is just another moment, as it is the ardennes challenges are not here. here, now, here is the tangent of the economic state, then the captivity will certainly be worse after the sanctions, this is by itself, but believe me, big contracts were concluded with asian states, it is necessary to say what is there in belarusian. сейчас went to asia eight times he chose to fight in arabic

numbers with pakistan twice turkey match twice but again eh thank you to russia because all the gates are moving forward all the ways are closed until they go from moscow that's why eh economically and politically, lukashenko is full of money. today's address is clear. now let's talk about ordinary belarusians. it's obvious that you said that the economy is doing fine. after all, how do simple, very simple belarusians feel about what is happening in ukraine, i mean before the war, and i understand because i sometimes watch on youtube propaganda belarusian e-e channels , what they say. there is a lot of anti-ukrainian incitement against the

belarusian population, is it in russia, unfortunately, it works very hard, in fact , the putin machine is alive and well in belarus? to ukraine that it is not a special operation of russia that the ukrainian people are suffering and they are choosing their independence and the right to live freely without the interference of any other country or whatever propaganda works in belarus too well i will tell you that of course belarus will be bolshe ne mogh ne beyt sogreydov eh means only propaganda final tourist eh

serious serious defeats, one of the positions, as if lukashenko, this is information codes, a specialist russian grushniks came here, what are we next ? i'm talking about spring and of course i didn't follow, uh, i pulled my uh, my betrayal, people spit , i see it everywhere the evil one is led by such an attitude among the people it gives you a persona, but in general i will say that and

this, er, all i will say is the sociological service, that er, does not work in the dark planet what is more oppressive than borscht, 90 acres, which is personally opposed to the war, and it was also not small. 30 acres, ok, ukraine of today 's deputies, poland but nevertheless, russia's cuteness doesn't want this war and they don't want to do the same. - and the measure of people's boiling it's like this, it's easier than the 20th, the 20th year, the 20th year, the main thing is that the youth of itishniks

is spent there, and here the men have already become such people that he even promised us in this, we still have this, eh. well, you we are lucky, we are fed, that’s me, that’s why i’m lukashenko, for the beloved uh, the ruler here , uh, what kind of people want us in belarus, the war in ukraine will end, the catastrophe will be understood. thank you for the gift , sergey, for being in the program today for answered my questions. thank you very much and victory to all of us in our war to the belarusians in their struggle with lukashenko well, i already have one, i was told the second guest is ivan preobrazhenskyi, a russian political scientist, i will tell you preobrazhenskyi hello good day

eh thank you for agreeing to talk to me today is putin the russians to the big one? perhaps even the second patriotic war with full mobilization ? partially left without svet well, what is he doing now? well, i think that they are not preparing the russians for a big war in such a way that it was all in general , the mobilization of reasons is somewhat simpler, and the russian industry and the russian national defense are not able to mobilize more than they mobilized. they mobilized these people you are not in a position to arm yourself, and the children are trained and

fed accordingly. but it is still possible to orient yourself, and the word mobilization, as it caused the horror of the majority, and it does , and even more so, how the so-called partial mobilization for this, for this, plus all-purpose mobilizations, real, all-inclusive mobilization, hidden according to the capabilities of the russian army, industry, and this is how the mobilization continues it is nowhere, the regions that began to form the so-called volunteer battalions are fobbing off their private military companies, the so- called, again, they continue to be created there is a process that continues accordingly. i think that in this case putin has another problem

. i support the russian society in general precisely because of the real goal of this military aggression , that is, in fact, the dismantling of the ukrainian state, and these people have stopped supporting it now . it urgently needs a new base of traditional support the electoral support base, i mean this woman from 35 conditionally to sixty, he began to lose it even before the full-scale aggression against ukraine, and now he just has stitches and those who have already died in the course of the russian military aggression from the russian country, respectively, begin to lose the support

of both their basic dictatorship and the elector who used us for this military aggression someone else is needed. and maybe, excuse me, i will interrupt you. and could kherson be a point of no return for putin , he is a point of no return. the point of view is that those who believed that victory may have stopped thinking so, and this is exactly who understood why he is waging this war, the majority of the population conditionally by the seaside region, as it shows. no, more or less reliable sociology conducted by colleagues there indicates that 70 percent still believe that everything is going well. they watch official television, as they told us at the beginning of the war. мы только новости будем смотреть, so they continue to conduct themselves here , the minimum change is 15%, a maximum of 20, who actively supported the war from the very beginning and the russian

aggression. it does not want to participate in this war, by and large it is passive, it is amorphous, well, some kind of driving force inside it is needed, it is impossible to win the war with administrative foams and decrees alone, is putin succeeding like this now uh, oh, it's hard to ask a question in russian , ukrainian, ukrainian, uh, i understand only when i speak, i can't, it's going to be a monster for putin to convince, uh, the russians, that it's still necessary to actively support what he's doing in ukraine now, it's impossible to convince them completely this is impossible, they don't gather in principle, that is, the position of the russians is very old. even before that, he was the one who brought her up. we don't touch you. and you don't touch us. we live our

lives . handouts and they don't touch us, every demand they touch causes, well, if not a protest, then at least the society starts to seethe and wake up really seriously. oh, that society is only possible in one way, it will start to resist, and it is impossible for you to put yourself at the service, as in the well- known obest of schwartz, it is impossible it is possible to create a faithful soul, deaf without arms, without legs, well , there are very few completely unfaithful souls, and accordingly, let’s put it this way, the format of intra-voice kremlin propaganda consists in constantly creating for the majority society, some new challenges, stakes in these different groups, and do not let him come to his senses

and think about what is happening in general, that is, then he will not allow him to protest, he will not allow the russian people to resist. putin is not that he won't allow the russian people, just let's do it. the russian people are not ready to stand up for this. let's be honest . any anti-war organizations of the commonwealth of nations were crushed even somewhere by 2020. any political position. that 's all. a real protest could be supported, that's why the organization still needs some kind of infrastructure, accordingly. now it's slowly starting to be created, it can take a few years, and putin is fine so far. he can stop it. the only thing is that he 's losing adequacy. - because of the loss of adequacy, it

will allow the moment when the protest can be stopped. internal protest practically does not fall, only external force and then it is possible that the answer arises internal protest ivan what is putin afraid of today? he already feels that martial law is going on, he is starting to look for some workarounds, that's what the zaporizhzhya as is talking about, and it's been 30 months since this is not a tent, but a direct call that we want negotiations without initial conditions, he is trying to find a way and will continue the war . while he still has some hope of keeping what he has already occupied, and at the same time, he will suspend active military operations if he

realizes that this plan is not successful, he will look for some other workarounds, it is possible to leave the territory fully occupied because the main thing for the non-maintenance of power on the territory of russia is that he easily switches to preserving himself. well, the second fear is certainly the possibility of the palace gate, that is why he is already approaching himself outspoken bandits like kadyrov, prigozhin, and so on, with whom he is also trying to guarantee himself that his old entourage will get upset. ivan, when you said that putin can leave the occupied temporarily occupied territories, did you mean only the kherson region, the kherson region, and the zaporozhye region, or you also and luhansk and donetsk, or are you the same in krym? i think that the conversation about the fact that russians do not rebel, conditionally speaking against

putin, is from some pseudo-patriotic considered, if he decides to leave crimea completely empty, a lot of course depends on how the armed forces of ukraine and the authorities of ukraine will act in this situation , entering the peninsula, and whether the kremlin will have the opportunity to raise a kind of indignation in russian society that they are starting to evict those who, for example, entered there during the russian occupation and so on, but in general, i think that the russians do not care about crimea anymore , putin has largely devalued this point, which sat for a long time the approximate 90 of the second year is at least and it can be earlier that krym is russia and uh, this is the war, it basically destroyed any barriers that could hold back russians and that could lead to a conversation in

russian society such as its own for example, alexey navalny said that krym is not a revolution at the moment. let’s say he became a sandwich. who will eat? against putin no and mark well approximately the same let’s say that the french society at its time accepted no with this complete insertion of algeria no withdrawal of french troops and the cessation of colonial wars the second thing is that you were able to then introduce a democratic transformation and vladimir putin is only able they will strengthen the centenary regime, my last question to you, that is, the victory of the ukrainian army in crimea will mean the end of putin, or it will not mean the end of putin, it will not, i think that putin will enough opportunity to retain power within

russia even if a victory in crimea takes place, the only opportunity in the sense of military victories is definitely a victory on the territory of russia itself, but it is obvious that now neither the ukrainian society nor the ukrainian government are talking about this in principle, so we are not an opportunity you are watching thank you, ivan, for participating in my program, i will remind our viewers that it was ivan preobrazhenskyi and a russian political scientist who talked about russia, about what is happening there, to seethe inside of this country well, they tell me that my third guest is ihor kharchenko, diplomat extraordinary and plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine, mr. ihor. i congratulate you . good health. congratulations and glory to ukraine. today, you are the first to whom i can say this because the first two were interlocutors not from ukraine could of course say to them glory to ukraine, mr. igor please tell me the west and even the vatican have recently

been quite active, well, quite actively , er, talking about the fact that the war should end like any other war in history of humanity at the negotiating table. pope francis even wrote a letter last week in which he changed dramatically in his rhetoric regarding ukraine. now he wants to become, like the vatican, a mediator in these nato negotiations, for example jenstonberg, the secretary general of this military-political bloc, said that our the primary task is to give ukraine enough weapons and help it defeat russia on the battlefield, and then again so that it sits down at the negotiating table with russia, but ihor, the question for you is how to a professional diplomat who has repeatedly sat down at negotiating tables well, he knows what a negotiating table is and what it is for in general all this is not what

we need negotiations after our victory in this case thank you mr. yuri for the question, there is logic in this question because i really spent no a dozen and very important negotiations during these years of work in the diplomatic service, including with the russians since 1992, by the way, i was in the negotiating team and even in massandra when the black sea fleet was divided. so i don't know about which the client of the language that is being called, sit down for negotiations, i will diplomatically say that there is no sense in any negotiations with the current russian federation

. and this is an absolutely valid and correct position. why do we need negotiations after the victory? there is also logic in this question, because after the victory, these are no longer negotiations, these are negotiations , actually, these are negotiations regarding what will happen on instead of russia, that's how i'll put it, but with the current regime, there is absolutely no point in conducting these negotiations, because this regime is what it is today, and that's why more and more western political figures of the first rank are making relevant statements, it's holding on like that i don't know them, he grabbed hold of this power so as not to let it go, but he understands that this result is coming to an end, and

that is why ukraine must prepare to imagine what it will be called , that's another matter, there are many questions about what the territory of the successor of the current russian regime, ukraine will be able to enter into negotiations in this way. this is how i would formulate it, because today we have uh. well, it's not that there are no diplomatic relations and all relations are broken, we have a war, an aggressive war has been unleashed, a neighbor. when this war will end with our victory, then the question will arise, but not during the negotiations, i would not even formally ask such a question, and from time to time i urge our western partners to forget this word negotiations, now there will be talks about negotiations, now we are talking about aid to ukraine defeat such a ryzhik as soon as possible, and then

the question will begin. i would call it the peace settlement of the post-war period, and the peaceful settlement of the post-war period will no longer apply to ukraine, it will apply to the current people. that is, that is exactly. and there will be those negotiations with that territory. how did you call it, what can someone do wants to call it negotiations, well , let it be called negotiations, but substantively it will not be negotiations, understood, they foresee uh, two or three if it is multilateral or more, but they foresee partners at the table in we don't have a partner from us we have an enemy that needs to be destroyed with the enemy negotiations are conducted, as the philosophers of previous days wrote, with the help of various types of weapons and the stronger the weapon, the better it is to negotiate with such an enemy, and then when the

enemy understands that he will not be able to resist then the post-conflict settlement is already coming let's put it this way, the understanding of what will happen next if someone wants to call it negotiations, god helps, but i , as a diplomat, it is not necessary to negotiate, mr. yura , tell me then, please, and here we are already talked about starting to ask this question , that from the west these calls are being heard more and more often, and the president of france, manuel macron, and the chancellor of germany, olafsholz, even said last week that they would continue