and no, well, he could be a generator, he did everything in order to still help everyone, he messed up that he 's not as stupid as he told me about him, he's just a scoundrel, he's a scoundrel well, he's not stupid, i'll tell you, i thought for a long time that he's a psycho like me i'll tell you he's not a psycho yet unfortunately, he's not yet a psycho because well, here at least in my circle it's accepted to consider him some kind of sociopath, in particular, i had a very interesting interview here in ukraine with the head of your model of forensic medical examiners, a chic woman psiata straight from her, all the politicians were sorted out who was sick and what , yes, let's directly show then putin lukashenko, that's mr. lukashenko, the most sane of them, he's just a scoundrel, he's just an actor, he 's just a man who, thanks to his kolkhoznoy essence and political intelligence, which he has for 28 years simply works at

crazy distances and uh, she let him down only in the 20th year, once, oh really, here is a person who is this deep russian people, or some small part, this is a part of very simple belarusians of old age, with longing for the ussr pays a motor sealer there for 20 kopecks, that’s what it understands, that’s at mcdonald’s, why ca n’t we cut a bun into two parts of a cutlet? that’s the primitivism of thinking and that’s the ceiling of his general understanding of this world that doesn’t give him that convincingness and that’s what lukashenko is doing today he meets with the governors, he talks about the economy, he talks about the two party replacements he had the day before yesterday, very khabarovskoy today, he simplifies it a lot, but i can say that about a burger, they mean a cutlet, they will deliver it, and about the economy is called populism of pure water, but i want to remind you of

a quote from glebych, yes, aleksandr nevzorov, ah, and such a politician is not an intellectual, he must be able to talk to the people, that’s what it’s called, look now , in general well, this is the time of populism, well, if you say so, and lukashenko, yes, absolutely absolutely this trend is not only here, by the way, it is everywhere, er, yes, except. by the way, it is already interesting that in addition to authoritarian countries, because because er, they don't need to flirt with anyone anymore, they just need to twist and everything is autumn . and how passing society is well typical an example passes through the state of creativity in any post-colonial society the same thing and we had exactly the same thing only the processes go faster somewhere somewhere slower therefore this is an absolutely normal process and of course in such a

case you should always engage with those available the opposition elite, which is always not thirsty for resources, and we can recall any of our democratic oppositions, and that's it. well, we don't have to go far 10 years ago, we'll look at the slogan there glory to ukraine glory to the heroes, all this is you extremist, marginal, they just gave right-wing nationalists , yes, who will never be right, there are those who will never rule the state, they will always be there somewhere . this is us, we see what we see, that these are the slogans they win, and exactly the same, any, all, all, belarusian the slogans are all those that came out in the 90s, that is, yes, the conservation process took place, but it is impossible to bypass this process and it will still be accordingly, this elite will be formed and it will be simple at this stage, it will be necessary to count on partners of course

ukraine to poland, but this is about the calculation for ukraine . and tell me, please. but in the conditions when a-ah i will say yes, mrs. tikhanovskaya, is there a belarusian opposition, for example, there is no army, and in ukraine there is, for example, such a battalion kostya kalinovska, but do you understand what i am talking about is it possible to have an option for which regiment, and already a regiment? yes, i’m sorry, yes, they haven’t been included in the marathon for a long time. so, is it possible for an option for which let’s say, you know how che guevara is , the export of the revolution. who is the leader there? they cut down the dnipropetrovsk region of the export of evolution and we will find it. i mean that can we count on an option for which in ukraine? well, for example. so we are very tired

of constantly expecting tension, tension means some kind of aggression from the north, and we will begin to eliminate there well, it won’t just be pushed in what form, that is, it ’s clear that the allies will wait for a reason in every as you said, everything must be done on time, so or so said the smart chinese, so war also has its phases, its stages, and it is clear that not there will be no transnistria in the form it is in and there will not be, let's say, belarusians in the authoritarian form in which it is. that is, it is objectively the same if it concerns abkhazia. of course, ukraine and poland and lithuania will also help. of course they will help that that it will be of course the allied states and with and including those armed formations that are pokinovsky's and that also applies to russia because we also have

the legion of freedom of russia, we can politically for a long time but but i see that you smile skeptically you no believe me, it will tell you how well it will be. tell me how it will be . we participate in that plan. i mean ukraine. this is the globe of ukraine. everything that happens in us affects everyone, so look at the most bloodless, the most wonderful option, which in principle is today because we are all very tired , no one wants a nuclear war under the threat of which we live and every money will be, uh, our people the project of those people, i am silent, no one came to the land , that's why they came, these people are not pitiful, the world has become black and white, but in belarus it's still three-color

, because there's still such a thing, that's such a thing, let's say yes, the position of power lukashenka, who seized power, but not completely from the frozen one, you know, they even try to observe some international ones, some parts of the rest of the international ones. so we have tikhonovskaya a-a elected by the people - no one from this doubts that the establishment the person is chosen, well, as far as i understand why she went, they chose quietly no. he was already 20 years old. the last time seryozha was taken away on may 26-29 , he didn’t even have time. established diplomatic relations with five five countries, she understands

them, she speaks the same language with them, and tikhanovskaya for our western partners is a guarantor of democratic changes, remember this part of the puzzle, the next part of the puzzle, all kalinovskogo, there are some other belarusians, in principle, who are fighting in ukraine, this is the shock army, in order for everything to be good, they need to be friends, of course, plus we need an economic bloc, which i see . mezhmuriya to our baltic black sea belt of our wonderful countries, where without belarus there is no hole, so lukashenko well , they kill mice with telman, they proposed to give it to the russians, here he is meeting with the gubers . we offer to expel putin to the chinese, oh great

news means and accordingly we have here ilya ponomarev , who has already developed a lot. he repeats in a whisper, dial it with the sovereign as much as you want , but centrally at the same time, you have given up on this fucking nuclear button, that is, even if, roughly speaking, the weapon will be used, you will not use it maybe this is a very important moment so that another psycho doesn't sit in the kremlin and become all this junk waving around, look at just about nuclear weapons, the nuclear threat, well, they can't use the nuclear button, at least now they are clearly told about it, the guys press the khan's button, that's what they say no only in the west, but this is the impression that they say in the east as well, because for everyone and for china, a nuclear

disaster is just as unacceptable as for the institution , as well as india modi yes, we are all different people before this threat, but the day before it seems our e-e intelligence publicized a possible plan of e-e russians who can arrange a terrorist attack on the new newly built nuclear power plant in belarus, blame ukraine , yes, the islander is incredible, how much does lukashyn lukashenko know about it, and what does the head of security know about it in general, and how likely it is because he dangerously, putin's plan is to use belarus as a de facto single state, legally, but a tool that would be a proxy tool, as well as the dpr of the lpr, as well as the pmr.

i really wanted there to be such a thing where lukashenko would simply be so trapped because he has already been cut off from all other ways of communication with other partners. he would simply be completely dependent and fulfill this entire role and it would be possible to do that what could be what they did in donetsk when uh, they also, well, they actually shelled civilian houses, they blamed the ukrainian side for all that, the same thing can be done , i would like it by the russian special services, it is clear that there are such because they were by the way, all these months, to make provocations on the territory of belarus on a much larger scale, which is obvious than in donetsk, and it is understandable to blame the ukrainian side for all of this, so in the days of lukashenko, neither belarus nor ukraine is obviously interested in such provocations, and it is clear that it is more difficult for them to act, despite the fact that the annexation is taking place, infiltration is full, especially of the special services, but such a

large-scale plan will be, let's say, much more difficult to implement. i do not yet say that it is impossible. but any such plan must end with something that is, he has to, of course, change the public opinion of the belarusians themselves. he has to completely change the political elites there and ultimately provoke and that is, the greatest aggression towards ukraine, whether what will happen after a possible terrorist attack will be implemented. this is also a question in general: what are we for the kgb to defeat the fsb one hundred percent when the documents will be declassified, check this box, let's remember this ether, they are helped by british intelligence, because the first thing they can help - gb birds are there by themselves such a negative selection the fsb was not defeated. and since lithuania was not interested in this terrorist attack, then, accordingly, 100% of lugashenko is still working. british intelligence

, british, american, any. lukashenko works absolutely , and lukashenko knows about it himself. lukashenko. directly the controller. i think that he is aware, he does not say a lot about what he is actually doing now for lukashenko. it is important that putin does not find out about this, and i think that he knows very well, and putin knows that lukashenko, for example the first question is that lukashenko is sending sunset signals, let's come to an agreement, i am constantly reviewing the process. non-public, by the way, are not public, but uh, the event of the event is necessary , uh, everything is of course, that is, of course any, that is, there is a public side when western politicians do not want to

understand - with which dictator, that is, not really is it china or belarus? in other words, the same authoritarian nature of the regime is clear that i am public policy, but it is also not public, that is, this is the sphere of activity, including the western special services, where no one is interested in strengthening the influence of russia , and here it is no longer is it important whether lukashenko is good or bad, the most important thing is to limit the russians, but on the territory of belarus, everything is connected in this way , yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, i agree. not required the situation around this nuclear power plant in no case any actions that would provoke, that is, any aggression on the territory of belarus, that would change the public opinion of the belarusians themselves about us, about ukraine, about ugh , they are not profitable for us because the war is ending , it really is, well, people are so they do not understand what is happening, what would it change, and people live in

their information field, and if how can they find out if they turn on belarusian television and not our channel, yes, yes, therefore, any e mode of fear, mode of aggression is the same, well, if to say that these are tools for waging hybrid warfare is not enough simply russian propaganda in the same way donetsk luhansk oblast was in the 14th year, this element of the weapon of force was definitely needed. a person turns on the tv, the same tv, but in addition, projectiles are flying at her somewhere near the house. she hears shots, then here is this cake of critical er critical perception, i.e. information. it reduces a lot. well, it actually falls the stronger it is shelling, the stronger the threat to life, the lower the threshold for perception, and a person becomes just a sponge that absorbs all this information, so who has a tv? well, that's why this

weekend is for me. but if there is any reinforcement in the form of terrorist attacks, victims and that's why it's so important to prevent any terrorist attacks on any energy facilities of political organizations. now , wait a minute, until the question is interesting, but in ukraine, everyone is constantly worried about whether belarus will attack or not. and belarus is worried about an attack ukraine or not, everyone knows very well in belarus that ukraine will not attack them, well, we are not going, we are not russians, you know, i am very beautiful, i speak. we are normal , enlightened people, we were not banned from google. our airport in vilnius was called minsk 3, we flew to many places looked we already know that we have a completely amazing foldable ego young generation in our country and tyshchenko in general, we are normal, but look here , there is a lot of fear that ukraine will be attacked, understand that it will not be attacked, eh, that they can enter belarus from belarus

the russians are in a uniform so that the people will still be frightened because, er, well, you see what happens in the information field when rockets fly from belarus once again. what kind of people are going, that's why i already have a proposal right now, it means all the prisoners to me so yes, straight to me, we will take everyone to a clean zone, from me , to clean water in the zone. ekspertov will prove it immediately ukrainian experts even know what to answer a short church right there you have stepan bandera yes bandera yes yes yes our money is trolled there he forces us to eat there he speaks in shumski what is the situation, for example i know exactly from the news what is the

situation for which now the hospitals in the hospital are filled with russians there i don't know about the wounded, and this causes friction with the belarusian population. well, sometimes people simply can't get medical services because there are some war criminals there, so russians are there. no, there is no such thing. and i have some such stories, eh, no, so that with living people who, yes, there are many of them there, yes, there are some hospitals there, it seems like they are trying to remake your hospitals there in brest or somewhere the rumors have been going around for a long time, well, there were several such objects, really and truly, the load on the medical system is increasing, because it is clear that more than 10,000 russians were brought in, that is, how we left, remember from the 20th year, we have more and more doctors leaving that is, it was still and there were problems really allow of course

of course, they are not going anywhere, and 8 doctors are going, and now, er, and plus covid and plus er, this whole story, that is, already when there was a pandemic, even then the belarusian health care system was not coping , now there is an additional load and it is clear that if the commander of the military unit. there are also people with weapons and the like. well, the local population is oppressed, so the further away, the greater the presence of russians and the more pressure there will be on the whole , that is, in this association, what do they have to do with medical belarus? i remember from school how now accepted say the brand belarusian partisans i personally wonder if such a moment can come when the lukashenkas and these russians will simply get hold of the belarusians, which means that it is located on belarusian territory, can it potentially come and do we have to wait for such a moment as i believe no, it will not come unless there is an external force no well, it’s obvious what they will go against

the forces of wait, we have to prepare for such a moment, for example, nothing lukashenko, do you understand that we are preparing for such a moment, that we can potentially prepare for it? threats, and that's why i'm sure that it's exactly the same . by the way, this meeting was something in samarkand , that is, when uh when then when china was there and when they were turkey and they saw that these poles are already changing, that is, the balance of power is already changing a little and lukashenko is exactly the same, he will renounce

putin and calmly find a common language because he is a political animal, that is, he has he has no principles, no morals, no values, no human life, he does not understand absolutely absolutely yes, the animal is very nice, a political animal, yes, he will find an opportunity to negotiate, this is an opportunity. you definitely think that he will not fall under there is a court there and so on. hello, you have a fourth country, china's strategy will be yes yes, that is, it will quickly switch to china, but china is far , that is, far away, china cannot be in conditions if russia loses, well, that is, not if when china can not in this part of e- the world to dictate for another 30 years, at least none of their own freedom, well, except for that, i don’t know, let’s go to our aliexpress, you understand, well

, the influence on this territory is chinese. it will weaken very much, but it will not go anywhere because the chinese presence in more often absolutely the belarusian economy is large and powerful and chinese, and gentlemen, listen, it turned out to be unexpectedly interesting, stormy, and uh, even funny in places. we can calm down . belarus is not going to attack us, that's true . belarus is not, but belarus is not going to, but that's exactly how i ask the question. yes, but there is a nuance, yes, that is, like any authoritarian state that depends on we don't know the leader there and we can't completely guarantee that there will not be conditional

levers of pressure on the dictator, on the security forces, and more likely than not, they will be in the belarusian uniform . how much does it cost? as far as i understand, the second conclusion of our e-e-conversation is that, despite the fact that the window of opportunity for the belarusian position may come, it does not yet have a single position, a single plan, a single vision. and i understand you correctly. correct me, i believe that it is necessary to engage. yes, because here again, everything is happening, then when it should be studying. yes, we have time. we just don’t have to waste time . there are specialists for this, and regardless of the fact that the

war is ongoing, regardless of the fact that we are busy, because i will remind you that even before the war, our revolution failed. unfortunately, in the 20th year, our 9 billion turnover between belarus and ukraine the two countries were economically very closely connected and we complement each other perfectly. you have a-a land , you have a-a, respectively, m-m plants. yes, you have rapeseed . but we are even just the union of belarus and ukraine as two countries, it is clear that now many times the new one has already survived without any russians and without europe in general only due to the fact that together we can make a closed cycle in many ways, but relaxed, well, absolutely, only i

i will add that this union will already be wider, that is, it is clear that, by itself, the vector of ukraine will definitely not change anything . of course, belarus will not be in some kind of vacuum, because post-war belarus will also be a matter of responsibility of ukraine in the first place, but also of poland and lithuania, so i am not worried about the formation of a political economic elite, that is, a new composition, because it will be the area of ​​responsibility primarily of all countries and this will be an issue that will be solved in a complex for all of our uh, so to speak . this alliance has many black sea states of the world, but mr. sergey, the last questions for you are very short, we literally have less than a minute, but as for the potential threat from belarus, we have troops lined up along the border, we have

all the fortifications built, yes, yes, the man who is erecting fortifications is erecting them right now and has been engaged in this for the past months, this is an experienced general, and this is who built precisely in the donbass, the same fortifications, that is, the russians have not really been able to break through them until now. well, if they don’t take these for the first time, eh. you can even have no doubt that this will not be an easy walk, that they will stop this very fortification, eh at least the forces that are currently on the territory of belarus are not enough to break through our border, i.e. here it is worth relying completely on our military, i.e., in fact, we can say now that our russian viewers there will find it, not 24 february absolutely i absolutely thank you, gentlemen. i did enjoy the conversation once again, i hope it was not only enjoyable but also a little useful. i would like to remind you that today we had

tetyana martynova, a political blogger from belarus , as a guest. sometimes i thought that she was already from ukraine and serhiy kuzan, head of the ukrainian center for safety and security and cooperation, gentlemen , thank you very much for the conversation and i hope that we will meet again in the accent column in this studio and talk, especially since we are with you during the conversations marked new topics that are worth talking about i wish everyone a good evening and our viewers also the marathon continues the only news all this does not stop yet well what should we endure and continue to work for victory glory to ukraine unconquered cities of ukraine this is cozy kherson the pearl of the protected territories of ukraine the city won

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