it is unrealistic if you take all of ukraine to uh, well, that’s right, theoretically, you need somewhere around 25,000 employees , the same number of cars, the same number of batteries, and i don’t know how many echelons of diesel fuel. well, the executive director, these are all losses, right for the company, was there any reserve fund and certain the period can be covered by these costs, they are powered by diesel generators of key ones. it must be that olga gave you an example of our lviv accident, when after the first massive strike, our transformer substations failed and it was our the lviv data processing center is a very serious center that provides international roaming for our subscribers and not only uh, there are also a

lot of channels that go uh to europe of rented and our equipment. there is a lot of it. he worked there for almost a month without a few days ago for almost a month, he worked on diesel generators, and he used such a quantity of diesel fuel per day, and that’s how our complex expenses were not planned, but the company of course has a reserve fund, and in which is the money that has to be used in such a situation, and then when connecting to the lvivenergo network, connection attempts were made, there were very large overloads in the network, voltage surges, and during these surges,

two transformer substations burned down in our house, so it is interesting to hear your opinion about such a project as, e.e., intra-ukrainian roaming to mobile operators which usually in peacetime compete with each other for subscribers in wartime united and created such a project that ukrainians can switch between operators and choose any network it works technically and how successful this project turned out to be because well, here are my attempts there to try to connect to another operator well, they actually did not change the quality of the mobile connection, i tried but to no avail, why did you not connect or not to connect to receive internet data from the data and there was no communication, and between uh, operator roaming in ukraine is created only for voice communication, there is only voice and only sms transmission, that's it, period, yes, we need to

immediately go to create, but tell me about it the project we are without, well, without trying to blame it for failure, it's just interesting to hear how it technically works. because for me, i have my phone, it is connected to my operator's station. but how do i switch between them? how does it work? how did you get to this point ? association around this well, it is not an association. by the way, i will say that this project was implemented in may. practically in a week , nowhere in the world practice was there a solution to such a project in such a short time, er, exactly in a week, our experts cooperated our specialists competitors they made this project. i'm sorry, i also mentioned 3g. it's also in roaming, there is a speed limit, but it will work there if this coverage is 3g coverage in ukraine

. was and couldn’t upload some picture there, yes yes, that’s why they were looking for the internet, but for it to function normally, of course, you need the altea network, because 3g today is already such a network . so emergency the situation, well, this is probably an amateurish question, but it seems to me that if we cannot now provide the volume that people need for network operation, it is possible to return to the old format of a slower internet with less coverage, but still, will it work or not e- the network is working at its maximum, as much as it can , it will give out as much as it can, we do not limit anything anywhere. and when the network is already overloaded, the protective functions of the

network itself are activated so that it simply does not collapse and is able to continue even though with congestion but work and i also wanted to add on inter-operator roaming that you asked what it gave us this for each operator it is not some kind of financial gain there uh it is on the contrary it is a financial loss let’s say it is not profitable for any operator i will not explain why, but this is an additional burden for each operator, in order to switch correctly from network to network, you just need to turn off the automatic detection of your home network in the phone, turn on the manual mode, select the appropriate network click on it and the phone, if there is coverage of that operator, it will connect and you will have another operator's connection for free. this is the first time we

tried it long before the full-scale war, and when there was flooding in the carpathians, the situation there was extraordinary, and then we tested this option with others operators and let's just say this was not new for us either, that's why the experts made this project a system in a very short time because if someone disappears from the connection, well, it tickles the nerves, it's good for everyone, we can do it somehow of military communication it is quite so diversified and we have good results regarding military communication to be accepted in the public if so now to discuss and think so that such a situation as now does not happen in the future military technologies in peaceful life but in this volume and thought in your mobile operator,

why think about it, for example, yes, cdma communication is the first - it came out of the american military standard, and for now, these standards are still used in latvia , so these standards are military approaches have long been transformed into civilian ones, and if we talk about some kind of emergency communication, uh, closed communication, how do you use military ones for emergency situations, you can, but you have to understand that uh, such networks do not have the capacity for millions of subscribers these are the networks that can be used there. well, there are 100 to 200 to 300, but it will not cover

the needs of, for example, a city like kyiv. locally possible to use and globally, this is a different communication, this is an emergency communication for, let's say, a narrow circle of people who are there, the firefighters have their own, the national police have their own repeater, and we have a mobile normal communication for all subscribers. and if it happens again such a situation, god forbid another missile strike like this, now there have been several days without mobile communications, and what is the worst-case scenario, well, the worst-case scenario, as well as for the entire energy network of ukraine, it is a complete blackout yes,

but our specialists work 24 hours a day in order to ensure stability and ensure functioning, you understand that if we run out of light, batteries, diesel fuel, etc., that we don't do anything there, we pray to god, we won't be able to make a connection without electricity, if our sites are physically destroyed, it will also take some time e- it's about how much to restore the network, so how much is it? i think that guess the site, let's say which one we have is a first category site, yes, even in six months we will have time to do it, because there is a lot of equipment, it is specific. it will only be produced for two or three months if

there is a contract. and you know that now there are problems in the world with the production of chips and everything else, so it is very difficult to predict what the terms of production and delivery to ukraine will be. moreover , logistics in ukraine is currently working with interruptions er, our main suppliers moved their warehouses from ukraine to poland to er, hungary to romania, so even here, er, replacement of spare parts. sometimes we have 2-3 sundays on time, but we hear a lot these days what objects of critical infrastructure in ukraine are financed first of all and there is a special attitude towards them and this is normal. there are hospitals there, government

buildings, military objects, mobile communication stations, and your eyes, are such strategic sites or do they fall under the objects of critical infrastructure, do you receive help from the state because well, i think that it is not even necessary to discuss the importance of communication among people today, this process has only just begun and i really hope that our infrastructure will be equated or will to be considered critical infrastructure, uh, now we are not talking about base stations , there are a lot of individual base stations. yes, it is local, it solves the problem of covering small areas, and switching centers, data processing centers, soda, this is clearly critical infrastructure and they should

fall under these legislative acts that we have and operate and i know that the legislation is being changed in an emergency, so i believe that we are on the right track and we are all keeping our fists game for ukraine for the ninth month we say what are we going to do now, yes, we started doing it, why was this not done before the war, was there no understanding, or was there no imagination that war could be in such a context? well, apparently no one believed . war, but for example, i was at a high-level meeting with the military two days before the war, where one of the officials of the general staff said that as soon as the war starts, theoretically, i will give the order to turn off mobile communications, he was not interested, and the

meeting was just about constant operation of the network during the military period, he said that it was necessary to turn off the youth of our security, as it were, of our security chaos, which would have formed in ukraine if we had the opportunity to call on february 24, by the way, about the beginning of the war, it is very interesting, what was the load on the network in the first days of the war there, when everyone well, i personally published 20-30 posts a day in my telegram there and was constantly in touch, what was the load then? yes, i will reveal a little secret that the operators are all experience the most the load of the year is for the new year. new year's eve is for operators. so it's like, uh, how to

prepare for war, that's why the record was broken several times on february 24 of this year. the network survived. we very promptly introduced all the precautionary measures that are used for the new year holidays, this is not a limitation, it is just additional servers, we were in favor of additional features that are deployed very quickly, and we passed this peak very quickly, and then when we started to lose our network in sumy oblast, chernihiv oblast and kyiv oblast. and this traffic was sleeping, and the traffic shifted from the center and east of ukraine to the west, so our next challenge was to ensure already

normal communication with normal quality of our subscribers who moved e- e in the western part of a very short period of time, we built more than 150 new base stations in the west of the country, expanded mobile operators - this is a real sociology of internally displaced persons and in general the presence of people and subsidiary data of documents that unit big date they can paint it for you to show how it all happened we talk a lot because we have an army of military personnel an army of energy workers and how many specialists does your army have and are there enough now it is specialists e.e. sales managers we will not do this and it specialists this and technicians who specialize purely in mobile communications, let's say in the technical directorate of my company, and in the entire territory of ukraine, we have

less than 1,000 people . this is not enough. why, because a lot of effort is spent , for example, in the east of the country, in our country it is called a gray zone, where you cannot send one specialist to some work, you need to accompany another one, this is also bulletproof vests and fairy tales, and to advance security , this is demining, uh, together with the security forces structures, even according to the rules of technical safety of working at heights in electrical installations, and which are our base stations, we need two men, but you mentioned the de-occupied territories that we have with the restoration of

communication in the kherson region, how is it happening technically and when people will be able to feel there more or less, if you can say so, full access to work, we see that under equal conditions, the occupied territories are now more or less peaceful. well, as for kherson and the region, we were already at a low start, waiting for permission from the security forces structures to get there, we got there, the first thing we did was an audit of our switching site in kherson, unfortunately, all the equipment from there was stolen and taken away, and we found an almost empty site there, i'm not surprised , they even took away such things that we were already ready recall well, the equipment is 10 plus years old and it has not been used there and i don't know where

it can be and everything is fine, even it was stolen and taken away , so now kherson is being launched eh on its own optical fiber in it has already been adjusted there, but it has not been finished to the end eh there is still no redundancy there, only one branch is working, uh. about two dozen base stations are already working there. this city and the suburbs around the area have power . for data transmission, starlink is from ilon, a mask that replaces fiber-optic communication channels, well, this is a temporary solution. that is, you connected yes , starlink with yes, and what we have satellite communication , does it have a future, that is not my question honestly

, we wanted the future to be like this, the question is exactly for you, it’s the load on the network in the conditions of our use of the internet. people, even understanding what is going on now, the stations are overloaded, are they starting to use different social networks, is there a difference between what is download telegram facebook, youtube, and instagram, or just an internet browser for the system, for the network, in the question of its load on it, well, let’s say so, if the server , for example, of some social network, facebook , is located closer to the user, it generally creates less load, for example, on international channels of communication yes, for example, the same google servers are located on our servers, and on our premises, and in ukraine it keeps servers

. i would be afraid, i would ask where they are. but in ukraine , you promise a tour, so when is this? but everything is fine, we still have a radio network, so when the phone connects to the base station, then the base station already transmits data to the server, so the main concentration of traffic and where its limitation is the radio network, so at the base station i already mentioned it if some if it is peacetime and there are no emergency situations e we e optimize the operation of the network so that where there is a crowd of people there are more channels used where there is less traffic we are there

there is less equipment, er, the network in general, you mentioned the nervous system, all these neural connections, the network is a living organism, the heart is a switching system, er, blood vessels are data transmission systems, and if something is sick somewhere, the network is sick, that's why our specialists monitor the health of this network and in fact, for the last 9 months , every day, thousands of works are being carried out, what did you understand from optimization to re-marshalization with the addition of transmitters, changing the frequency plan, a lot of work is performed by a small team professionals, i want to return, but you said that google keeps servers in ukraine, so when i use the

mobile internet to go to google and use it there, the search engine or to us continues here well, this is not very important for the system, well, a complex load yes, compared to the fact that the servers are located outside of ukraine, and for example, the same telegram that ukrainians now love to use, where does it keep its server, how big is the load? we do n’t have telegram servers, and i think that they are located outside the borders of ukraine. although it is not a fact, i do not have any information where exactly, if we have already mentioned it on social networks, evgeny raised this topic , now there are many complaints, in particular, against your mobile operator, even after such missile attacks, everyone was ready for this it can happen, but they write here and other mobile operators managed it and here is another mobile operator we were able to

get through there, but yours didn't manage well, uh, if we continue to talk with those who have which yes which operator yes yes with whom but vodafone played no managed. and in my case, vodafone, i will not say that if all these situations are put together and divided into two, then one will get an equal part, and that is why there are a lot of factors that affect the moment in a given place at a specific time, who works better there or our operator or another operator. therefore, until the networks work in their normal mode, talk about 100% quality in the morning for subscribers using the services, because now your expenses have also increased, so expenses are increasing, equipment prices

are increasing, but according to the cost of our services, i will not comment, i am a purely technical person, your job is to provide work, but business issues. that is not my question, but international support in the issue of supporting our mobile network, it exists. that is, we hear a lot about the fact that the energy industry is helping us with some equipment, some funding from the state and international support for this already understood by everyone strategic infrastructure and critical infrastructure we have a working meeting with a canadian representative of a company that wants to provide us with

mobile base stations for testing. we already have our own. kherson is there for some market where there is no coverage at all in an hour and a half to deploy it and provide there for some mass event or a temporary connection to provide three such complexes. they have to give us as it will still look logistically from canada. i don't know yet, but we will work on this issue. also, we received from european funds equipment for base stations, purely equipment that provides radio coverage is not much, but in principle it very much agreed with us to restore, for example, kyiv and sumy chernihiv region after

the ork invasion in the spring well, i think it's very, very cool to have such equipment in simple words, what was it, where is it, yes, it's there, it's there, it's included, there's sterling, which provides channels a pick-up truck arrives, or even a car , a base station is deployed, the antennas are raised with the help of sterling, connect is made, and voila, we have small coverage there in a radius of 200-300 m, 500 m, do you distribute internet in stalinka through your network or not? is it starline here it acts as a data transmission channel for the base station from your data is transferred to our data center yes and you use a regular phone as a mobile network interestingly we are already waiting for

them from canada and you know i am today's program i understood that all this is complicated and not as they write in social networks, give us the internet, why is there no connection , why is it ice? well, that's why we're here to ask the right questions, hear professional answers and explain to the audience how everything actually works for that so that they don't fear, don't panic, don't spread fakes, but understand how this or that is built, now that's why they are properly isolated, without communication, we are waiting, there is no light, there is no communication, but we are waiting and we believe that you will fix everything as soon as possible, we are doing everything to raise the connection raise ukraine and everything will be ukraine thank you very much thank you thank you we believe in the armed forces of ukraine in the energetics in the dsnsniks in every ukrainian who is now on guard yes natali ostrovskyi me and oleksandr ananiev from franplyn visited us the head of

the network operation department vodafone night watch see you on the air thank you unconquered cities of ukraine this is cozy kherson pearl of protected territories of ukraine the city played a significant role in the creation of statehood became the southern center of ukrainian revival during the great terror, the nkvd shot almost thousands of people for nationalism, and the kherson leadership of the oun, led by bohdan bandera , actively fought against the german invaders

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