on civil infrastructure and of course that we need to be ready for everything, mr. roman, what is this question, i will ask clearly that people are just in the suburbs or in the village , or let's say in new houses, there are some small residential complexes there , and they can use diesel generators there or even some batteries there just to power the same gas boiler if it is there and in such a way , it may not be so scary for them, but the residents of multi-apartment buildings of such buildings are older , there are also some soviet ones, and so on. well, they have if for sure there would be no alternative in the case of long power outages than simply heating the apartment with gas from the stove, this is taking into account that in general, the price of gas in our country is already many times different from the market price. well, who will pay for everything, or are there alternatives to this? it's the other way around , now it's not a bad option. well, it seems to me that

when we talk about the survival situation. and it will be , or is, unfortunately, just such a situation, then it seems to me that the question of the price in the market goes to another plan. it's clear that the main functions now the gas market is entrusted to the state company, the state group naftogaz, and well, actually speaking, this whole feast will be at the expense of revenues there that naftogaz will not receive and the budget will not pay, but you must understand that when we talk about heating at the expense of those devices that are not intended for this you will have to be very careful because carbon monoxide is formed and for example there is a story of one family in balaklia, balaklia has already been liberated, when the family died because they were poisoned by carbon monoxide , e.e. because they were warming up. their ventilation systems were clogged, it is necessary to

ventilate the premises, it is necessary to ventilate the premises, if god forbid, we will have to use a gas stove for heating, yes, and one last thing. there is a message about the price. for example , there are some countries with such aggression. i want this. it was a ceiling of more than 70 dollars, not less, more precisely, 70 dollars. on the other hand, i am reading that now it seems the url is valued at $50 in general, on the markets this is well, the russian vice-premier novak z although he said that this is an unacceptable implementation, but russia will fulfill its contractual obligations. what do we expect from this ceiling? will it be implemented 5 december, it seems that there should have been an introduction, what does it mean? well, we must remind

why these conversations appeared in the first place. the conversation was related to the fact that it is necessary to soften the impact of the embargo introduced by the european union on world markets, since this embargo included a ban on all other related services for example, insurance or brokerage services e-e for the supply of oil and a-a from the american side there was this idea to introduce a price style, that is, european companies can continue to provide such services so that oil goes to other markets, russian oil goes to other markets of the world, but under the condition if this oil will cost less than a certain threshold, so that the idea was to deprive the kremlin regime of these revenues that allow us to wage war, well, if we are talking about the deprivation of revenues, then we must look at there are internal data on the cost of production, there are

industry data that say that the cost of production even in the most difficult deposits in russia, well, it can not be higher than there $40-46 per shore as of 2019, these were the data. well, it is possible if i turn to the relevant consultants the new structure of the relevant companies that own this data and, er, determine this price ceiling, it is not necessary to argue about it for a long time. on the other hand, how does the fact that the russians are shelling our energy e-e infrastructure affect how e-e is created or not our supermarkets,

stores with food storage, in principle, how do the council e-e private entrepreneurs e-e dmytro solomchuk, people's deputy of ukraine and oleksiy doroshenko, head of the association of suppliers of trade networks good morning, gentlemen, good afternoon, i just read what the co-founder of the outlet, vladislav chechotkin , tells about what they have there. to the point, too sockets came, a woman came with meat on a meat grinder. because there is no light at home, she just wanted to make mincemeat, and so on, but the stories are interesting, showing how it's actually not just how you need some kind of um, some kind of involvement of everyone in order to make it easier one life seems like a laptop to me, it’s just that the light went out in the supermarket and right there there is such a system that starts to close the shelves, gives what are refrigerator shelves

, closes them and so they understand so that the cold does not come out, or what is this done for, can you correct me somehow, actually, what is happening to those huge stores, i don't know which ones are not yet equipped with generators or some alternative power sources and what is happening to their shelves with those products, are there already any calculations there, i don't know how catastrophic it is, how much is thrown into the trash mr. dmytro well, i would rather say that food safety does not depend on supermarkets at all, safety depends on the manufacturers of architectural products, this is bread baking, sausage shops, these and macaroni e-e group from shops today it is clear that a large number of these productions provide themselves as much as possible with generators, but they needed the power to get out that 1000 kw, it is clear that

kilowatts from the generator is not exactly cheap and 3-4 times more expensive than e-e from of the ukrainian network, but when you need to turn it on for 3-4-5 hours, when the production process goes over, well, this is very important, not those, usually, i didn’t replace them to raise the prices much, but at the same time, every saturday and sunday, such fairies visit bazaars are big well, if we analyze the last 5-6 weeks there, this sunday was uh, the number of private likes of the village increases every week by 15 plus percent there are a lot of small rural producers who work

there themselves, a man and a woman, children bake bread there in their own way, as well as sausage about them . meat is used there, and the price is more affordable, if i think that in the winter period, due to problems, it will appear in the system, a very large number of such rural small craft producers, for whom, in principle, close the road to supermarkets, but it is open to him to small shops and bazaars, mr. oleksiy, do you really have any data on whether many products are really lost, for example, in networks due to these outages, how do supermarkets deal with this, how will it affect pricing, unfortunately there is no data on all supermarkets and there will not be,

since each one calculates the data separately and will never make it public regarding the work, then i can tell you that each store, each network separately adapts to those conditions, some really paid off large generators, but even after they started, they realized that they give big sums and the local residents protest that these stores work. therefore, now, for example, some go out in such a way that they connect small generators and even in the big supermarket they can work only a few cash registers, i.e. stores are working, although earlier, for example, a month or two ago, when the lights were turned off, all the cash registers closed immediately and asked everyone to leave. today, i can say that the main condition for the ukrainian manufacturer and for the importer and the seller, that is, for the retail chains, is

to survive, so if someone will ask whether the store or the manufacturers are raising the prices because of the conditions that arise and the cost price is increasing. the market, and during the war, the main condition is to survive, because everyone understands that it is necessary to hold on. and there is also a social responsibility, so the stores i see now are mostly still working, if we are talking about the bulk of food, the prices do not rise despite that that it is true that the cost is increasing due to including the cost of receiving transportation and all other reasons that are now arising and i can say that the stores in turn go to meet the suppliers and do not apply penalties at all

sanctions that usually used to be used in the past as an influence on suppliers, now there is no such effect. and this also affects the fact that more and more even medium-sized manufacturers, even small ones, are ready to go to supermarkets and supply products, which is also a very good sign for the ukrainian production. and in general, for whom it is easier to transfer these branches of electricity, whether it is small, some private firms, or whether the network is large, it is difficult to assess now, because for this you really need any analytics, i can say that small shops, as we can see, very often do not have generators, but if they have refrigerators, they are still working in the first hour, the first two hours after the shutdown . i also see work and work - by candlelight for cash at the same time and start products,

large chain stores have the opportunity to invest in buying and providing the necessary minimum infrastructure, the same generators or small ones of several kilowatts or large ones, because now the powerful 200 kw of the generator but at the same time, we cannot say that this is now a common practice during a shutdown because it affects the cost price . i 'm sorry, it's being closed. by the way, mr. dmytro, you mentioned the bakeries, and now we can show you a photo. it's just when the shutdowns started. well, that is, on the weekend somewhere in kyiv, a supermarket people just took out all the bread. although well, if

there is no shortage of bread, as i understand it, as it is now, how will people be provided with bread products, how will there be interruptions with the number one product for every ukrainian? also for adapting to the situation that has developed and i will provide you with alternative types of energy , considering the shortage of such operators in europe in the last two or three weeks, he smith, well, this it's not easy, but a lot is brought in today, it is installed and people adjust to work at those hours. there are more of them. in principle , it is baked at night when there is energy, and when there is no energy, they

already work. alternatives and alternative types of energy are installed. i think there will be no interruptions. i told the people of kyiv to run and immediately buy products because there will be trouble. you really need to run and buy everything or there will be trouble. i am against it at all. to run to hide something yes, we are special if it concerns bread there and products well, if you already want to buy it, i will also buy a 50 kg bag of flour , almost everyone has gas ovens at home and you can always bake bread, but there is no need to beat an artificial deficit, well, it is definitely not necessary because it doesn't lead to anything good, it doesn't

lead to people spending their money and they don't eat it, then they throw it in the trash, uh, at least they could leave it better at home, it's a savings yes and hmm that is well you won't buy 20 loaves of bread today and it's not means that you provide yourself to them up to 1 january well, i say buy flour, well, 50 kg, well, with flour , there are definitely no questions at e because i have them at the factories, and well, a huge amount, only the world, none at all. well , that is, how many comments can you buy recently? eh, here we are, people in russia are like eh, how to say it? no, capricious, so to speak, we can say that they eat everything only for the front , for victory, but the ukrainians, and they are angry, if

they don't eat their jamon, they will fight anyway don't want well, we laughed so much on the other side well, jamon is present on the shelves of all supermarkets in bulk, so to speak, it does not mean that really in these conditions, jamon and such products that can withstand temperature changes are also some kind of way out of the situation . well, you will eat like every day. well, i’m sure you may not have enough of them, what does it ask for, yes, to such romances, the product and the club are a very big city of salt and definitely not useful for the body. it ’s good with our ukrainian . and if it's already jamon, let's just eat ukrainian rivne maksym rivne maz , more precisely zdykhamon, in principle, we ate some kind of similar food

, we ate matsik er rivnesky and it's really a very tasty thing polisky over there well, it's like volyn polissia, it's actually related cuisines i would also like mr. oleksii. i asked mr. oleksii. is there a danger that in these conditions, let's say, you say that there is a chance for small suppliers, and the same goes for the products of supermarkets and large chains. but is there not a danger that in terms of prices it will be more profitable to take such an ex-import substitution in this sense, i.e. take imported products, and you are absolutely right when you say that there are risks, on the other hand, i can say that when there were periods in ukraine that the prices for extraordinary products grew strongly just because imports made some people not want to earn, so imports just play

such a role as a deterrent, we can say that it is a very good role, unfortunately, today we have problems with some products precisely because they have always been from the south at the same time kherson oblast but what did we see that this year, everyone understands that there will be less products from the south , including onions, and they began to grow them all over ukraine, and we saw that there is almost no deficit and prices do not fluctuate so much anymore, so in this case, i would did not say that import will hinder import. on the contrary, it will help us today. especially when we talk about the price of ukrainian domestic products and products from the same europe . cheaper than ours for a person who, for example

, currently receives even the majority of uah 10,000 in wages, is this a factor to give preference to products abroad, yes, because you do not allow him his funds, but you were just talking about bread, you can say about that of the previous rocket attack, and in kyiv, people ran to buy bread at the bread kiosks immediately after the end of the attack, and during the attack, it was just the saleswoman and told them at the same time that they had sold everything, but in the next hour, when they gave a ride, nothing there was no shortage, as there is none today , yes, the bread producers in shliman are suffering the most, and in ukraine and kyiv they are suffering so much. because during the power outages, unfortunately, everything they baked had to be simply thrown away, so in this case it has an effect, but at the same time we see that this is not reflected in the prices in any way and will not

be reflected even the same golden eggs that we talked about some time ago, we see that at first the price stabilized, and now it has started to decrease from two so that in this case almost there are no products that are growing significantly to date, no. and even more so when there are no economic grounds for compensation for the same bakers who are forced to throw away their products because they are not finished baking by some private entrepreneur or is something like that provided for at all in short if you have if it is possible. economic activity is not foreseen in any way - these are economic risks, including during the war. and i would also be against everything because, unfortunately, everyone without exception works in such conditions now the same critical infrastructure is suffering. are we going to help all companies without exception , because in this case, as i said at the beginning, the

main goal is to survive the business, so the business does everything, just to hold on and when the war ends and this business will have an advantage because he will still be able to work and expand, and we understand that now the level of capacity is small, but after our victory, you and i understand that revenues will grow significantly and that it will be just right, the profit is not yet received, what kind of business, after all, can they count a little for today, oh, i wish it would come true , what you said in your last words about the fact that after the victory, the income will increase so that the victory will come sooner thank you, dmytro solomchuk, people's deputy of ukraine and oleksiy doroshenko, the head of the association of suppliers of trade networks, was with us. you said that a woman came to the rozetka chain with meat to have

her meat ground. i saw a woman who had to bake a cake for someone's birthday there because she bakes sweets to order uh-uh in a word they turned on the light and she had to whip some kind of cream mass she found she made this attached to a screwdriver that works on batteries and that's all. they did everything and everything went wrong, so our people, they will come up with a way to get out of even a hopeless situation. listen, by the way, i'm looking at the rise in prices. what the russians are also writing, well, they have the biggest of course it's a shock, these are uh cars, because they are almost all normal brands from russia, and they are somehow imported anyway. for example, they write here. what. for example, the new volkswagen a3 un

. you can buy an arteon, for example, in novosibirsk and in vladivostok . well, like, i’ll buy myself a new er, this volkswagen. yes, i live in novgorod. now i’ll go to vladivostok for 9,000 km there and back. it costs 4 million, i.e the gray one that you buy from dealers is twice as expensive as it is unknown how it is probably brought there by sea because you are going to war against someone, you have to pay for it and if you don't want to stand up against your crazy government that we support, the easiest and cheapest way is of course this the power that is given behind the chmobik is this one disposed of once and for all, so in principle they deal with it, so let's join our conversation oleg penzin, an economist, let's talk with him about how p oleg good morning,

let's just start with an anamnesis as of 200 maybe what's up we have 2,879 days. how is the patient doing in our economy, our economy is more alive than dead, more alive than dead, and that is true, but without the support system of third parties, the patient will not survive, and at the moment, in the form of third-party systems, it is financial and macro-financial assistance given to us by our partners so that, as you say , we will finally understand. we are opening the budget for the 23rd year and we see that the expenses for the next year from the budget should be uah 2.6 million, and the income is only one and three-tenths trillion, i.e. 50% of

we need to borrow the expendable part of the state budget from somewhere. here is a diagnosis of the current state of the ukrainian economy, that is, in the grand scheme of things, we will be able to fully finance only 50% of what we spend, and the 50% that we earn, we spend exclusively on the war because under the conditions of macro-financial aid, not a single penny of that aid can be used for war, therefore, all the social obligations of the state, all social programs of subsidies to pensioners, are all financed by aid loans. let's call it that because part aid comes in the form of guarantors and, thank god, they do not need to be returned. but a sufficiently large amount comes in the form of uh, so long-term, so cheap, but credit programs, and uh, we were waiting for the next year of the active entry of the international monetary fund here against the international monetary fund

will be on next year is here only in the form of a monitoring mission, that is, we will not receive money from him, they are refraining from giving us money for the time being, and the only one is to see 18 billion europe e-e for social programs. there is hope that the promised money will be to give in a timely manner and the americans in general, the volume of what we need to attract for next year is somewhere around 37 billion dollars, this is the number that was announced by mr. prime minister well, here, count the indicators for you and how we live with you today. and here is the imf yesterday that in view of the situation or because he does not trust, look at what is the situation there, the international monetary fund is the very fact that he is here and that he is monitoring the mission. this is very good, but he does not finance war and during the war there are certain internal ones in them

caveat. therefore, for the time being, their presence here will be exclusively monitoring for the time being, i repeat once again. by the way, external commercial borrowing is closed in ukraine. that is, we cannot print eurobonds and go out and sell them and receive the money. in this way, you and i declared technical default in august therefore, at the moment, the only thing we can get is that we can get money from ukraine as a sovereign, that is, another country gives money to ukraine between government agreements, that is how we receive this today on average, we needed financial aid this year in the order of six or six and a half billion dollars. well, at least five per month for the next year, three. that is, we improved the situation with the domestic economy a little. but

that's exactly 3 billion dollars per month plus -minus we need if we do not receive these 3 billion, the machine of the national bank of ukraine will be turned on, we will print money. that is, in any case, we will carry out our own implementation of the budget according to expenditure items. that is, we will pay in any way. well, we cannot not not pay social programs, and if they didn't give us money , the printing press was turned on this year, at the beginning of the active phase of hostilities, the national bank of ukraine already printed about 350 billion uah of unsecured money, but this was the only way out in order to fulfill all social obligations in a timely manner and at the same time, the hryvnia held its ground , it did not fall, well, let 's be honest, the hryvnia fell a little. and in our

country, before the start of the active phase of hostilities, the exchange rate was somewhere at the level of 20-6-27 hryvnias per dollar, now 36.6 the official exchange rate is 40 plus minus, that is, we keep it at that level in the budget for next year, the annual average official exchange rate is 42 hryvnias per dollar, official, that is, what is now 36.6 uah, if the official rate is 42, i think that the cash rate will be under 50 well, we understand how this relationship works out here, but for now i have hope that it will last because, actually, the situation with the exchange rate is equal to the dollar, it was quite seriously dependent on foreign exchange receipts from that m-m food corridor of grain, which was uh, and in fact, if you remember, as soon as the question arose that he could stop his

work, the exchange rate jumped to uah 43-44 , cash only that ukraine receives tens of billions of dollars from e-e deliveries of grain abroad, that is, in the grand scheme of things, this is a fairly serious basis . and besides, it gives an opportunity to sit down for the next year, because our fraudsters keep money , the money of their grain, and at the moment when they need plant they sell grain and use the money for autumn field work so it also gives an opportunity to have hope for next year's harvest, we keep such restrained optimism thank you very much for this assessment oleg penzin, the economist, was with us well, listen since november 24 signed another four and a half billion in direct monetary aid that does not need to be returned from the united states