something delicious, there was not enough room in the kitchen to feed everyone. so, in the courtyard of the coffee shop, cauldrons were placed due to demand and inability, well, the kitchen in our cafe is not very big. we decided to earn a kind of field kitchen. and we make two batches a day, they saw it. we have cauldrons, we have firewood, we have generators, we don't stop. even when the electricity is cut off , the military calls us and says, well, today we do n't have lunch . defenders they started after the wife of one of the soldiers asked for lunches for a hundred people, then the need grew, now the demand has dropped a little, somewhere on average 1000 and a half a day, we feed uh-uh, before that it was stable at 2-2.5, well, the record was at the beginning 4:100, i say 450 somewhere, we calculated it, one day

was like that crazy ostrovsky says about 60 people volunteer in this coffee shop they cook and deliver food to the military, deliver it both in the kharkiv region and to donetsk region , they collect money for the purchase of products on social networks and receive donation also from foreign organizations mykyta olhovskiy denis fatiyanov public news kharkiv and that's all calm i wish you a good night and take care darkness is not scary when we have faith in the victory of the customs people who give us hope and warmth every day and repeat glory to ukraine because it is not

scary if you believe in our victory, it is more difficult for the girls to order a school, but we will not manage it, there is still time to prepare, and we will easily overcome the cold winter . unity will help us avoid the frosts, overcome the darkness in our homes, to give rays of happiness to our loved ones, we can overcome the darkness together, ukrainian gives freedom, the occupiers tuck their tails when they hear the pro-ukrainian palianitsy and pavlo, and we have n't even mentioned 30-letter words, although we have affectionate words

for everyone, we will find us do not destroy us, the power of the three forms of the future tense, we will go, we will go, we will go to victory in spite of everything, ukrainian language, free rules, a warm country, healthy care, thank you for gaining energy on foot, regretting the elevator and you restore your health we will overcome the winter together the government created a program there is a job that helps ukrainians get money for their own business the grant can be directed to starting a business or its development own garden or greenhouse studio or bakery many opportunities for dream work it's just you have an idea because it gave the documents the state supported works for victory there is work work in ukraine if

people leave the territory where they go or there were hostilities where they sat in the basement and they go to the russian church they take part in rituals that support the russian war mr. rostislav good day i welcome you to the first public broadcasting channel thank you for finding the opportunity to talk with us today good day thank you very much sir i would clearly like to start our conversation with the information war russia continues to actively promote its propaganda in the countries of europe of the union and for this use fake sites of network actors, pseudo-journalists, far-right politicians are also looking for freelancers to promote their fakes on the territory the institute of strategic dialogue of the european union, in particular, and germany, wrote about this when it

debunked the next fake russian propaganda that was spreading in germany a couple of months ago. with them for questions, i guess. first, our listeners need to understand the following: germany is a country that will like russia, it turned out to be historical a long time ago, everyone was watching it's brutal diplomatic war fierce war of ours sent in the past andriy melnyk in which he managed to break through the crazy concrete walls that we public organizations could not do, that is, the level of blocking was very high in relation to disinformation itself, they did not need to

disinform very much during the soviet times inside the union, it has always been the soviet union, the union of independent republics. on the outside, it has always been russia. about ukraine, about its reasons for today's war. the germans would not really like to even hear that such things were possible here. well, why can't you agree with them there and give some territory there so that we can be warm in the winter? we recently did such a large analysis of why today's situation is so difficult because the ukrainians who were here always worked, they were always integrated and they knew their part they talked about her, but the germans did not perceive her very well, what did you want in 8 months of the war, the german public media, let's say so they are interested in one pity tears in the roots to watch well, they probably don't really

want to see one that is very negative or dangerous the thing that exists today is that there are real attempts to sit down ukrainians and russians today at the table and talk about peace, but in general, how would you evaluate what is being written about russia's war against ukraine and whether ukraine has left the front pages of german newspapers, the first e- it is necessary to give credit that germany quite strongly supports ukraine, supports ukrainian refugees, these things are presented in the media in a rather interesting way, but um, of course, we would like more and they provide information with quite a lot of questions. why does this happen, well, sometimes it is politics, we we can say that if we analyze what was reported and what information was reported about the war during

these eight months, the rhetoric has changed, they call things by their names, many politicians express themselves openly, but with all that, there is a kind of fatigue already, the german media sometimes presents information from that side with how it is beneficial for them and it is of course logical, but hm , the emphasis is on the economic side, which will be beneficial to be able to negotiate, the european union at the level of its top diplomats already recognizes that the war in ukraine will change the lives of european countries well, for example, there will be no more russian gas, this directly affects the lives of the very germans, in your opinion, german society is ready for the fact that their personal well-being may be shaken, it feels that it has already arisen, the question is whether they are ready

accept the fact that it will no longer be the way it was, that is, the struggle is with the fact that it has already changed, they already understand whether there will be gas or not. well, i would say that some people still have this kind of idea that the war will end and we will be able to return to what it is possible that russian gas will be supplied and perhaps something else. for many, the question is that russia is still a country that supplies raw materials, and one way or another we will be able to or will be forced to return to this issue. here is the question: when is the question on what conditions? understanding that as it was, it will not be, it already is, what will be instead. well, it is not completely clear yet. and in general, how did you evaluate these months of war since the beginning of the full-scale invasion on february 24? has society changed in germany

attitude towards russia and russians, the question here is very interesting. thank you. in german society, there is probably such an opinion that politics is one thing, but people, citizens, are completely different. they saw more citizens in such a positive way, poor russians. they are now forced. let's imagine from the examples when a german pensioner called our organization and, with almost tears in her eyes, asked us to help shelter or help leave moscow for my intelligent family because of what they have now because of the war, there are quite big problems there, so i had to talk with her for quite a long time and explain what is the matter here, does she even understand and where is she calling, how is she trying to drag someone here, and we have absolutely no complaints about that

person, but everyone must show their understanding side, it must be declared, but as far as society is concerned, they are quite afraid of war, it can be said that way, and they are very afraid of a confrontation that may arise on german territory purely between ukrainians and russians, i don’t know why ukrainians are quite peaceful , even there are many here, there are no such abscesses to say that there are any problems, on the contrary, i would say that germany felt a little bit of rejection not only by ukrainian asylum seekers, but also by europeans when the statement about what the so-called deserters that they should be accepted here and there was a very big split where they tried to argue with laws about refugees and so on, but the perception was that these people do not necessarily

have to be here, that it is a big risk, but they feel a great responsibility in the second world war, and here historical questions arise. and why exactly them, that is, and then it begins. so, even with political parties with different groups, it begins to explain four ukrainian fronts, two belarusian fronts, and how in relation to these people, that is, do you feel responsible? you are only in front of russia and they do not understand this huge thing between the soviet union and russia so absolutely. that is, there is one such thing that is going on now in fact. reframing the historical in general , i would like to devote the second part of our conversation to how the ukrainians who fled the war and got to germany feel, maybe they planned to go there from the beginning or had to stay there

, according to the latest data, there are more than 1 million ukrainians in germany forcibly displaced people, now in the ninth month of the war, to what extent does germany accept ukrainian refugees, considering that we remember that at the beginning, in the first months, they said that everyone was going to another country because germany did not can accept everyone eh, here i guess we have to say two sides, first i will touch on if their state treats it eh at the level of the state, germany said eh, it is starting from the government and ending with political parties, germany will help so much, so much will be needed, it is official the statement is rubber, not rubber, it will be difficult, but no one will refuse, it is just a matter of purely formality, how easy

, how hard, eh, germany is a rather bureaucratic country, and it is used to having everything happen according to the paragraph of laws is normal and so on, it's quite difficult with ukrainians because it still happens, corruption is definitely given in signs when it happens. and you can agree with someone somewhere to write something there, you can't because it's written down you have to have a term you you have to beat people who come who, for example, think, yes, how to get social assistance and with all that go to work, and why pay taxes and the like , that is, such questions also arise, they are quite a few, sometimes even in comic ones, but this the reality that people have to adapt to is it possible to adapt to whether everything is always easy. apparently, not with such a number, the germans were not ready as far as the citizens themselves and the perception of the germans themselves are concerned. i would say that in the first e-e no war, the first

months of ukraine, germany opened up like never before , that is, ordinary citizens in germany they called and said i'm ready to provide a room i'm ready to give an apartment i'm ready to help one second one there it was at least the times of the second world war, it was something extraordinary, and this aid still remains today, of course, the level of aid fell, that is, it was very massive then. that is, we did not know how to divide the aid at all, let’s say just because we offered it, it does not mean that we gave money, then we helped or money was given even to large humanitarian organizations, specifically to ukrainian organizations, just and not very much, they gave so much, but the level of aid was, well, the readiness was very high, today our people are showing themselves due to various reasons, due to stress, due to difficult

conditions, because one cannot say one's self negatively , partially so, that is, here, of course, what was like in ukraine , that is, for example. we are at war even if it is possible to resist there. what is there? maybe if germany or europe would have reacted differently, ordinary people do not owe them anything, well, it is one thing and another. parking, that is, until now we have managed to convince the german authorities that it is possible, let's make such an exception for the ukrainians, although it is not an exception, but somehow more lenient towards them, that is, we may need a little more time, but they are simply on their own. as they say, the rails are already there and fined and put in place and sometimes it is a

little unfortunate or well, the misunderstanding is that people came here looking for shelter and, as they say , come to someone else's house with their own rules, that's volya. so far it is absolutely tolerable, for some the conditions are really difficult, i.e. you cannot find an apartment. well, how was it before to find them here with such an influx, it has become even more difficult. and am i saying that this is an obstacle for ukrainians who come to germany and they have to go to another country is this often an obstacle, the impossibility of finding housing for me, the possibility of finding housing, this does not mean that people remain on the street, that is, the german side places them in different places. that is, these are containers. it is the largest camp there, at the moment there are

about 1300 people, but most of them are containers and they heat up in those tents, this does not mean that it is cold there, but they are trying to make some conditions. in which people live even 500 to 700 people, but for example the latest events let us say so or the latest information was about the fact that they can even afford to drink there, that is, well, it is no different from how it was in our country. people what was very positive for the germans is that our refugees, after they arrived in germany , already found a job on the third or fourth day, that is, the germans now, if you look at theirs. they have a very long history with migrants, the ukrainians extremely, that is when everyone said and thought, as it were, now sit on their social system and move your feet, then with

ukrainians it is completely different. for them, this is simply, well , such a gap, again, of the same pattern that the ukrainians came first, they want to return back to ukraine, and the second thing is that they want to work. of course, there is a problem, for example, from other countries. this is the language . it is easier for them to find a job even with knowledge of english without knowledge of the german language , yes, that is exactly the case, but german firms even had such examples in our country when german firms offered, i must say, low-skilled work for people who did not know anything about an electronic translator has many positive moments when, for example, a law firm called and said we will hire a doctoral student who, even if i speak english, we will hire him as a

researcher in general, is the offer on the labor market meeting the demand among ukrainian refugees who are currently in germany, the demand probably it is not satisfactory because in germany it is again bureaucratic and has a lot of requirements. i am the so-called regulated professions that need to have confirmation access to have knowledge of the language, it is doctors, teachers, lawyers , in addition to all this, it is necessary to give germany the right that it has employed ukrainian teachers without knowledge of the german english language. that is, these are the teachers who, god, left. "the connection that children go to school means that children immediately had to go to school, and accordingly, at the request of our diplomatic institutions in our public organizations, we managed to convince them

that, after all, a large part of children are forced or have the desire to return to ukraine together with their parents, that this phenomenon is temporary and they will still need this knowledge of the ukrainian language, ukrainian subjects of the ukrainian curriculum, and so they took so-called integration classes to schools in a class where children learn only in german, they took ukrainian teachers in order to they continued together with them to help them study the ukrainian program in general, whether to place a child in a kindergarten or school, are there places in such educational institutions for ukrainian children. it is quite difficult to answer clearly because it depends on the region. that is, sometimes it was not a problem at all, and if you take into account that the child has to go to school, then this is if you have arrived and if there is no place in the nearest school, then

you will simply be told where your child has to go to school where we her ideas will find a place sometimes it usually took some time as far as kindergartens are concerned here it is a bit more complicated depending on whether people uh have gone to work or people uh are just now attending courses or just looking for courses or they need some kind of medical and psychological help , it depends on whether there is a kindergarten or not. well, for example , for this camp, which i am, where there are already over a thousand primary schools, they built right at this camp, they made such a container from containers into the school, they put the containers in two floors and there are classes where there is an elementary school where the children study german, but accordingly, they are all, well, 99% from ukraine. at the same time, it is exactly the same as a kindergarten , that is, the children who are in that camp can be sent to this kindergarten. no

parents are always ready to do this, that is, they are traumatized , that is, those who really left those territories where there was shelling, where they were forced to sit in basements. by the way, how do they treat it in germany? ukrainian refugees returned to ukraine for a while, perhaps there to their relatives, er, to their homes after the liberation of the territory and then returned to germany, what is the attitude there now, er, there is no such understanding that this is like social tourism acquired in general in german society, although there is a certain amount of dissatisfaction yes, it is probably somewhere there because ukrainians are spoken of as a group that has certain privileges, that is, now the procedure for providing assistance looked like that at the

border of a certain country, the polytechnic rule was the country a kind of camps where people were fingerprinted, identified, and then they were sent to some city according to a certain quota, and so on. flow, no one did this, and europe, uh, deliberately said that we are opening the border and anyone can go wherever he thinks it is ukrainians . left ukraine, this will allow it, and they gave them the opportunity to register, then through the city. where they passed, no one will get anyone, that is, people can move freely, people simply do not fully understand that if i am already in a place, i have registered, then i can’t. yeah, i’m not here

i like it, i'm going somewhere else, you can go anywhere if you don't apply for social assistance, if you want to work or have your own security, you can go wherever you want, no one is holding you back, if you apply for social assistance, then you have to, depending on rules to do it eh what else did this so-called social tourism include, politicians noticed the river when ukrainians simply hid their incomes, that is, social assistance and support, it is in german society, you understand. a tragedy happened to me, i have no income there, i have nothing to live on, so where exactly did they give me this help, and i can use it, but imagine that if a person comes under the e-e, let's say social service in a car that costs more than 100,000 euros and goes to take those 400-500 euros, then

they have a certain first- rate personality, so although it is clear to everyone that sometimes i explained to many that this is possible, it is the only thing that people have left. now it somehow keeps them, but that is the reality so very tough that sooner or later the germans will say no, you know, if we have, for example , another second, third, then you have to live on those savings, and only then we will help you, and a sense of proportion is what it was. it is also partly social when, for example, those areas or those institutions that wanted to provide help, well, we observed the situation when ours, let's say, even though the seekers of protection endured so much, they could endure so much, and it was sometimes like this a little bit, we had to explain to people that no one is there for you. they will

help you as you need, but there is no point in bearing it now 20 liters of shampoo. well, there were moments like that. maybe they were negative somewhere, but they didn’t have to be massive . no, they weren’t massive. they were isolated. rather, they were exceptions to the case. so, what would you like to ask? how would you describe the attitude of germans towards ukrainian refugees in one or two words? now with greater understanding with greater understanding of understanding yes they now already expect from them first of all that there are very positive signals in various directions yes that is, first of all that people go to courses and courses for example study they are quite positive about german, that is, first of all, not everyone can enroll at once . i know cases when people came to germany at the beginning of the summer month and were able to get to a school to study german only in september, and then

only in december will they have exams with the first basic level of knowledge of german, well, of course, this is really a problem, but the germans were given the opportunity , that is, if we put it this way, everything depends on the people, if people want to somehow advance, then they will find it, that is, there really are not enough places, now the problem is not in the premises and courses of the teachers who will do it because these teachers must have certain certificates and have a certain admission and accordingly there should never be a certain load on each teacher no more than how many people there are no not even that even what they must have a certificate, a certain diploma from a certain institution in order to do this and there are simply not so many such admissions in general that they can cover this whole load, well, there are for those who want, there are always different opportunities from online courses to free

courses, they are of course not of the same quality, but what does someone there offer with the germans. for example, to teach, that is, if you wish, you can always somehow realize yourself. one more moment. a completely different country, where there is a completely different religion, how do people find where to go to church here, i guess i will also dare to say that there is a problem here, but the problem is probably not german. rather, the problem is ukrainian and the problem lies in the fact that religion is one of those elements when we identify ourselves in some way along with the fact that we identify ourselves as a nation, we also identify as christians, for example, are

there other problems with other confessions that we notice are people who come and do not understand the differences between the ukrainian church and the russian church, they do not understand the question of religion, if everyone prays, everyone has the right to do so for whom, and if people leave the territory where they go or there were hostilities where they sat in the basement and they go to the russian church for many of us becomes simply, well , unclear, i did not understand. do they not understand what it is or do they not understand why? because in these churches, too, divine services are held and they do not mention, do not support, but they take part in rituals that support the russian war and this probably one and more extended if you go beyond the boundaries of religion to say that this is an important moment