written justification for this increase in the increase of the living wage, but in your personal opinion , given the low solvency of ukrainians, should we not wait to raise the salaries of the people's deputies and consultants ? % of those needs that actually exist, that is, by 21%. expenses from the necessary were reduced were reduced practically all that are not priority spheres of activity of the verkhovna rada at the same time as for the payment of people's deputies, it is clearly legitimized in the law is determined by a certain number of subsistence minimums, that is, there is no increase here, it is simply a correction of the law norm to what is established in the law of ukraine , therefore, based on that, the budget was formed in accordance with your law, once again i say for the status

of people's deputies, not this one the verkhovna rada accepted 31 years of the war existed and existed exactly in this form, but you know that last year, for example, we had a case when the salary of people 's deputies since the beginning of the year and since the war was it was cut in half, and after that it was returned to the same size somewhere in june, that is, six months, the people's deputies received two times less than what was needed, i do not rule out that, if necessary, the same mechanism can be carried out next year. by the way, we all know this the concept of saving the salary fund, we know that not all people's deputies receive a salary now. and what about these funds, where will they be sent? well, as for the question of people's deputies who do not participate in meetings of the verkhovna rada of people's deputies who have left ukraine and have not returned until now, the so-called, well , the people call them collaborators, or something else, yes, in a different way, these people's deputies direct the

salary, and in the case of saving this salary at the end, it can be either distributed redistributed within the fund or returned to the budget, for example, we had years when we actually returned the funds of the verkhovna rada to the budget of ukraine, this is usually the practice of budget programs, by the way. how many of these deputies who went abroad and did not return who do not participate in the work of the verkhovna rada who never once visited up to 10 people's deputies who left the territory of ukraine and still have not returned to work in the parliament what will you do with them eh what will i do first of all, we made a decision to release them from all the positions they held in the verkhovna rada, secondly, we do not, of course, pay them their salaries, we are now expecting some decisions regarding the potential deprivation of the mandate of these people's deputies, but this it's not so easy to do, everyone says, let's take away

the mandate but we have grounds for taking away the mandate clearly spelled out in the constitution of ukraine and everyone as soon as such a reason appears and the verkhovna rada has such a practice, whether it's a statement by a people's deputy or the death of a people's deputy whether it is deprivation of citizenship, the verkhovna rada reacts immediately, we deprive the mandate, we cannot make a decision except on the same grounds that are in the constitution and in the constitution. we cannot change it during martial law, so we act within the limits and the way you see them is according to the law, but we will find an opportunity to say goodbye to these people's deputies, you can tell us what exactly is possible, now alternative ways of depriving these deputies of their mandate are being developed, one of the options has already been tested - these are the deputies who have dual citizenship in if it is discovered, but this is again not the work of the verkhovna rada, in the case of detection of such dual citizenship, they are deprived of citizenship . the permanent place of residence also has what in the case of

, well, for example, the announcement of the deceased . with some deputies, for example , the deputy shensov personally wrote a statement that he is making up the authority and we voted on it, that is, there are several options, we are working on each one individually, but we must understand with who are we dealing with, these are people who fought against ukraine all this time, professed russia, but for some reason now their fortunes are not in russia, but in europe, so we are negotiating, including with our european partners, about the need for some issues related to their extraditions in ukraine but you understand very well that for this you need a court decision that has entered into force. by the way, this is another case when a people's deputy can be deprived of his mandate just because of any of these people's deputies or whoever otherwise, the verkhovna rada receives a court decision in a criminal case, which became effective immediately

on this basis for the deprivation of mandate. therefore, it is a complex work not only of the verkhovna rada, but also of all law enforcement and judicial bodies. well, look, i can only imagine it, i can't say anything, but i think that somewhere out of a dozen, so out of a dozen thousand has dual citizenship. and whose job to determine whether they have dual citizenship or not, this is the security service of ukraine, the work of the security service of ukraine, the ministry of foreign affairs, etc., other law enforcement or law enforcement agencies, they conduct communication with colleagues, clarify these issues, and after that, this is how it was with two of our colleagues in the case of establishing it was in rabinovych and you vasylkivskyi was installed and after that the persons were deprived of the date of the people's

deputy well vadym rabinovych was deprived of the mandate of the people's deputy a-a in his place for by law, the next person on the list must come because he was elected on the list, who will be in his place , taking into account the fact that a-a party is banned and what will happen in this situation is the reason and we adopted the relevant legislative acts that the list in such a case does not rise a new people's deputy will not be appointed because he is, well, they said correctly, he is a representative of the party, what is the ban in ukraine, and in accordance with the adopted legislation and the election code, we do not raise this list and the persons who come from below, they are considered to be cut off. if such a leader has consequences for the fact that the party is recognized as banned in ukraine, no one will enter the verkhovna rada instead of rabinovych. is there a plan to talk about the mandate of all people's deputies who

were elected from the people's party of ukraine? why am i asking about this? the petition to remove deputies from the party of ukraine the deadline is just a few days, uh, 25,000 votes are needed, if i’m not mistaken. now it’s stopped at 30,000, and the petition is on the present day. how do you feel about this petition for the first time, well, first of all what is your attitude in general to this idea of ​​depriving all people's deputies and to pzsh, look here, i would like us to separate these two things, it is a civil matter and i completely understand it. i also support that persons who are collaborators of traitors who supported and called for russian peace in ukraine are not a place not only in the parliament of any state authorities and on the other hand we have an understanding of the constitution of ukraine and still why the difference of ukraine from the russian federation in the topic is that we demonstrate to the whole world that we fight by following the rules the customs of war, we fly by observing

other laws in the constitution, so it seems to me that this is the right idea, but we need to find a legislative embodiment of it simply in general, if all this is done, it will be like burying the revolution of the 17th year or what russia is doing here in ukraine, because everything -we still have to demonstrate the civility of our choice in this world, but at the same time, we must persistently look for an option to stop it with an option . on the same grounds, there will be an eighth ground. we will implement it with great pleasure, but about your civil position, that you would personally do the same with the so-called battalion of monaco and, uh, with the deputies from the police, that you would do, if anything, besides deprivation, see as a chinese moment, i am not a supporter or a fan of this political force. i have a vision for the

development of ukraine, and i am deeply convinced that we need to do everything in the future so that the forces that profess pro-russian rhetoric are not got into the parliament, for this we need legislative changes in the election code, this is this topic, what, for example, am i ready to work as a parliamentarian, the second is not, let's say, don't confess, don't tolerate these things, and i 'm telling you this as a citizen, because we have very many questions arise, how to act in this or that case. and you, like him, start with yourself. you should not go to the moscow patriarchate, like you should not support pro-russian deputies. and to give you the ukrainian army, you must adhere to everyone's ideals in principle, how does this help european society, everything starts with yourself, you understand, everything starts with yourself, and that's why when we take it as a priority as the main base of our activity, i think then there will be great success,

however people's deputies from the pzs even though they banned the party, they made two groups and they are now in the parliament, but instead, as far as we know, from the beginning of the full-scale invasion, information about the date and time of the meeting is also classified information about what draft laws will be considered, it is also impossible to find it anywhere, it was forbidden to live broadcast the meetings of the parliament, these are the measures, taking into account the fact that there may be collaborators in the hall, and somehow it protects the people's deputies , you do not plan to abandon this idea of ​​not broadcasting the meetings of the verkhovna rada, let's start with the fact that the verkhovna rada, unlike many state authorities, is the only legislative body, not a poor one, but the only one, and in addition, it is

the center for making important decisions, the most important decisions related to war and peace are made in the parliament of ukraine. in addition, we should be aware that any disclosure of information and access to it creates great risks for the existence of this body. i will simply say frankly that i remember very well i remember the first day of the war , february 24. when i entered the hall and everyone gathered, we voted, the people's deputies voted and looked up to see if it would fly up, and that's why we must all be together, since i am the chairman of the verkhovna rada, i am responsible for the people's deputies to do everything in order to ensure the safety of the single legislative body in the state, and that is why we have developed a number of decisions that, in our opinion , will make a higher level of security for parliamentarians. these decisions are not relevant as of february 24. we

right now we are sitting in this moscow version and we are in this city center and considering what russia is doing next i think that not only have they not lost, they have become even more actualized because russia has not removed its the question and the full one are constantly talking about it, that in addition to energy objects, they will do in the decision-making centers and we must understand that in any issue there is a balance, this is the air we have for the alarm, i didn't turn off the phone right now, but that's it the fact that i would like to emphasize is that we are sitting with you in the center of the city, but we must once again understand that the enemy has not disappeared anywhere and the danger has not disappeared anywhere, and that is why it is very important for us in comparison with the accessibility of information to everything else , and to understand that in there is a need to protect us management of the country, in addition to this, we also follow the

question of the openness of the parliament, despite the fact that i do not announce the date for the maidan meeting, we announce the agenda. but after that, an hour after the meeting, we present all the information . about the two things of ensuring state democratic freedoms and the issue of the preservation of the parliament, and we are trying to act in this balance, but do you think that they do not know about the date and time of the meetings, considering the fact that the verkhovna rada has deputies from the people's republic of ukraine look, since they are present in the hall, i think that for many the question and the desire to betray is less than the question of self-preservation from those self-preservation - this is the main form of existence for many who are in the hall of the verkhovna rada. i think that none of them will er, in his presence in the hall of the parliament, spread this information,

well, well, considering that we do not know how the meeting of the verkhovna rada is going, in any case, you know, we, no, we do not see this with you and we can do it, see in a few short 15 minutes, the digest is the work of the verkhovna rada. and tell us how the parliamentary sessions are going now, you said that ukraine is not russia, ukraine is also not russia, because there is a parliamentary place for discussions in ukraine, the parliament is not only a place for discussions, there has always been a heated discussion of all draft laws the tribune of the parliament was often not just a speech of people's deputies on some specific issue, it is also a place for the e-e pronouncement of political pre-election slogans. something has changed. look, the order of preparation for the meetings has probably changed, because we prepare for different meetings in different ways. but mostly in this any of our meetings there is about a week of our work online, this is going to be the city of frag, which is

the leadership of the parliament, the leadership of the factions and the leadership of the committees, where are we clearly point according to item e for several hours a day. as a rule, in the evening we talk online about which laws are included. why are they included . who votes, who does not vote, why they do not vote ? increased supporters. we listen a lot to the opposition when they say that on some issues they have nuances, and we take into account for this, we gather such a large expanding conciliation council, and therefore when we go to the hall, we have almost everything already said, we clearly know who is behind what is voting for, who is not voting, what arguments will be, but this also gives the opportunity, including, to make political statements within the hall, they are filmed, but we would agree that we present them an hour after it ends for the session of the parliament, therefore, the preparation is very thorough. i would say that we probably did not feed like this in peacetime, passing legislation well, how do we do it now, and just for information, for simple statistics, since the

beginning of the full-scale invasion, the verkhovna rada held 36 meetings and adopted 320 legislative acts this is a total of 320, this is a very good indicator, but we needed it in order to transfer the economy, the social sphere, to the military rails, to adopt the budget , to ensure our european integration progress i will give an example, at the last session we adopted 43 legislative acts, 12 of them european integration, so we are going, we are moving, we are having a discussion, it is just now held in such an online format, when we go to the hall, we know all the positions, we know all the nuances related to the vote everything was discussed, everything was discussed honestly, everything was open, but we agreed from the first day that in our parliament during the period of martial law there is no faction of groups, we have one faction, the name of which is ukraine, we can argue internally, but externally we come out of a single balanced position and as an example of this, you can see that the majority of laws

adopted in the parliament are adopted by the constitutional majority, this means that the parliament will work for nine months and demonstrate its effectiveness in the adoption of legislative acts adopted in the dialogue, we correctly said that in we have a dialogue, we have serious and some economic issues, where we communicate are legal, but we always come to a compromise option, you said that at the beginning of a full-scale invasion, we agreed about the fact that you work monolithically as one faction, and i remember back in those days, the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi gathered all the bare factions of the groups and agreed on a gentleman's agreement, so they decided not to rock the boat from the middle now, or all the factions of the group, well, the political forces that are present in the parliament they follow exactly this agreement, you know, i can say that it

is. to the chase at the conciliation council by the time we enter the hall there are very sharp questions there are very sharp discussions on many issues but mainly when we enter the hall we all stick to what we agreed on on february 24 when we gathered as presidents of ukraine and i then he said that we have created an anti-war coalition, a coalition that will lead to the victory of ukraine, and now we are moving in this way, i understand that there is a desire among certain political forces to start playing politics, but thank god, i say once again, i can state that it is generally overwhelming most of us pass at the level of general consensus, they don't play politics, who are you talking about now? let's say it's not impossible for a political body not to play politics, but there is a level, when we talk about politics, i think that even now, practically all political forces on

and for the parliament to play its important role in achieving victory in ukraine, one more question about openness, well, again, are you planning to allow journalists into the premises of the verkhovna rada? i'm not talking about letting it is possible to send them to the sidelines, and for example, to let journalists in, as it was at one time when we had the coronavirus. they sat in a separate room and they had a tv, they monitored their work, recorded what they needed, and then left to prepare their materials there is no such option at the moment until the internal services tell us that it is possible. i think that there is no such prospect yet, and it is still within the walls of the parliament. i emphasize once again that this is one of the first goals for bodies that adopt political decision and therefore we have to be responsible for the lives of people's deputies and for the lives of staff members , the article is undoubtedly journalists' in this

format, the verkhovna rada will work until victory . well, i'm saying that we will work in this format until the services that are responsible for the danger tell us what it is it is expedient to implement such activities because we are guided by the absence of e-e broadcasting of meetings e-e secrecy of information about the date and time and the list of draft laws, i mean everything, well this is similar. that is, we uh, you understand. and when we are going to demonstrate now, when we are going, everyone knows where we are going, you understand, and i want to emphasize that the parliament has never changed its place since the war, even during the period of february 24, we had different options meeting, but we made a joint decision that we are going to hrushevsky 5, that we will be until the last until our victory, the parliament will be in its place, how to perform the functions assigned to it, to accept what should be done, and we will do it until

until now, because i say once again, we had different options, but since the first day of the war, we are at our workplace, we work, we make decisions, but we also ask you to understand that we need a certain security for people's deputies , for staff of the apparatus, for those who serve activity of the supreme council and that is why there is a certain closedness of information, but i say again after that we are completely open, we explain all the decisions that have been made, we hold a discussion. that is, this is an absolutely normal practice, taking into account security risks also include risks in the energy sector and the threat of a so-called blackout, how will the verkhovna rada work in the event that the lights are turned off? well, we have several ways of working even in the case of a complete blackout. we have a so-called hand vote, that is, we can gather in the same place to vote with the help of a counting committee plus i do not remove, i will also say a question related to online voting because

, firstly, it has now become a general practice that exists in the world, and secondly, today in conditions of war, we all must understand that a number of decisions made by the parliament must be made even then. when, relatively speaking, god forbid, the building is destroyed, the parliament should still be able to make decisions instead. the bill submitted by you and 240 more people's deputies was submitted to the verkhovna rada at the beginning of march after that , it was never included in the agenda of the seventh session. it was not included in the agenda of the eighth session. why are you delaying it? it was relevant from the first day of the koara on the virus because i was one of the first in the world to introduce this bill, after that it was adopted by all and the european parliament, and even in english it follows the steel traditions of decision-making, there is a form

of adoption through electronic communications. this is the need of the hour today, but unfortunately, there are forces in ukraine that oppose this because they are afraid that because of this online ranking, they will make some decisions that will not be popular, various opposition forces will mostly say yes, but i i say right away. okay, let's put those fuses that you think can't be made through online voting. if you have any wishes, let's write them down. no, we can't do that. all right, let's go. in general, these decisions can be made through online voting. well, for example, some the issues are related to the adoption of decisions that are catastrophically important for the state, when it can really happen that the verkhovna rada will not be able to meet in one place, we are losing control of the parliament, we are losing a single the legislative body, and that's why it's necessary to stand up for some political expediency of being about the state, about the state's interest. well, it immediately

turns into the fact that the state and deputies somewhere want their children and uh to vote just like that, well, that's absolutely not true because we have deputies who would vote, including from the trenches. and on the front lines, you understand, that's why we have to think that not everything is so clear-cut in this world, and will there not be this online voting that you're talking about, well, here's a question for you as a lawyer attack on the throat there are no questions of the constitution, no violation of the constitution. in my opinion, because the constitution establishes a single requirement, the deputy votes directly for me directly means two things: that the person of the deputy is identified and the second is that his will coincides with his expression of will, we understand how he votes, this is the immediacy of voting and not just finding in some place or voting as in some incomprehensible way, it is all exactly like our election system in ukraine .

at a certain time, in a certain place, he can come to his village where he is registered and vote. is this equality for voting, definitely not, the online petition you are talking about does exist, it shows the opinion and cross-section of citizens and society, so we must still move forward and think about the future, but i am convinced that everything will be fine, this will be a matter of the post-war period after our victory, but this but this s- today in the online voting, well , you will not raise the question at all, look , yes, we can raise it, but you understand, we must to be aware of one thing that if there is a consensus in the hall, it must be carried out, and until now i do not see this consensus. unfortunately, i remain with my opinion because it is necessary to go and move forward and not look back is to vote with ballot candles or something else. and you mentioned the european integration laws and i would like to discuss this topic a little because ukraine undertook to implement certain recommendations of the european commission in order to start negotiations on the

acquisition of membership in the european union, these regulations were at the beginning seven and as far as i i remember how you said six of them are on the side of the verkhovna rada, absolutely one of them is the adoption of legislation on media in accordance with european directives, this bill was adopted as a basis on august 30, at the beginning of september it was included in the agenda of the eighth session, however, for adoption in the second reading, in general, it has not yet been introduced in the official hall, why are we delaying the adoption of the law on media for such a long period, well, look, because i am not delaying . they need to be verified by the european union , and therefore the vast majority of laws adopted in ukraine are sent for examination to certain institutions of the european union. unfortunately, these institutions do not work as quickly as we would like. the european commission has issued an opinion and

now the committee is working with the opinion of the european commissions and they conduct and i really hope that by our next meeting we will have a decision on how we vote in the second reading for this bill because a large number of rights the decision is already a decision on the media law, it is currently being worked on in the committee, it was presented somewhere literally a week ago, and that is why we immediately let it work and the committee will work on the same with the law on the selection of judges of the constitutional court, we sent it to the binary commission for two days therefore, we received a preliminary opinion from the initiation commission, it is positive. there are certain comments, we are currently working on them from the venice commission on these with attention. if we work on the upcoming meetings in the parliament, we will try pass this bill on the basis of the whole, because it seems to me that there is the least discussion there, there are all clear things that we are doing, another bill is a bill about national communities, it will be discussed today or tomorrow, and this is because it was preceded by a great history of discussion,

first of all with by the relevant commissioner of the european commission, who is responsible for the issue of enlargement, and we received all the comments we had. we worked with ukrainian national communities, took into account everything possible, well in particular, we received certain comments because in the draft law, we are deeply convinced that there should be a rule that there can be a consolidation of the rights of certain national communities that represent a state that is a terrorist state or a state and the address of the european commission made certain comments about this that this is not european practice but we explain differently, we cannot vote in ukraine, the state ceases to be an aggressor state, we remove these restrictions for the national community, this is honorable and fair, and therefore there are such things in every law where we have to agree with our european partner. now we were talking specifically about russia. well, i talked about russia so far, and then about the aggressor states. well

, there are potentially two more, and that's why i think we need to talk about them. about a specific norm, the worst thing in the exercise, what would i say? this is a specific one, we must describe the general rule, the state becomes an aggressor state, everything depends on it, the appropriate burdens are placed on it. you should not write there, ivan petrovich . activism for ourselves, that is why it is very important for us to work out these rules to agree with the european institutions so that after the adoption of this law, they said yes, we will verify this law as european integration, european institutions can verify the law as european integration. ukraine's progress towards membership in the european union , don't be afraid of it, see. well, for us, we have already been told a lot that hungary will block our candidacy and so on, everything has to come first. to realize and second great-great-grandfather to work on this, i really, what a titanic victorious work was when we

were going to the candidacy well, i can only say for myself that this visit to the countries of the european union i undertook the most difficult e-e around the parliament that existed in 9 days i had 69 meetings. that is , it is a titanic amount of work. how many meetings does the president of ukraine hold? this is also crazy work. how many meetings the prime minister and the deputy prime minister hold is crazy work. we must understand that behind every success there must be work, and that is why i i am deeply convinced that if we are honest, significant european partners and say, friends, you set us all these conditions, we fulfilled them. then please, let's move on, and that's why it seems to me that they will find a way to convince any member of the european union that ukraine has long been worthy of membership in the european union because i have a lot of discussions with our european partners and when they start telling me about bureaucracy and other things i say friends you will understand one thing that what you say that in the bureaucratic mind