absolutely transparently, everyone can go to youtube ministry of culture to see how the contest took place, the voting took place, that's why, in fact, it is the personnel in this case . no. 100, which provides for the actual reorganization, and it is clear to us that this is in fact the establishment of liquidation, it is possible, dovzhenko of the center, therefore, in fact, nothing much has changed, andriy the author is really a person who has respect and has expertise in this er in this field in the field of cinema and the end of ukrainian heritage in particular but er also his intentions may be good but not a very correct way from my point of view so in fact there is nothing here changed yesterday, the first one took place

, he prepared that the court session is actually a disgrace, the dovzhenka center against the state cinema, well, it was not foreseen that something would be decided this day, because this is the first session, it is surprising that it actually took place, because in our country they like to postpone many times. so, the next meeting is scheduled for december 20, because the defendant and the parties need more time to familiarize themselves with the case materials, and so on. and so on, but in fact nothing has changed. of the minister during the reorganization of the dovzhenka center, the appointment of olena honcharuk, who honestly won the competition as the director of the dovzhenka center, and recently there were actually demands for the resignation of the management of the state cinema, that is, marina kudarchuk and her deputies, who signed the ukrainian film academy, the union of cinematographers of ukraine, the union of cinema critics of ukraine, the directors' guild

, that is, the largest representative film associations, public organizations that are most active in the film industry, you know ivanko zlenko, the previous director of the center, e.e. dovzhenka, who in principle started the reforms, who was the first to be appointed at the competition even before the time when it was the first competition in ukraine for the first time in general, a competition for the position of open honest, which was actually experimental in it he said such important words, it seems to me that the situation with the dovzhenko center, the dovzhenko center, in general, this whole story has become a symbol of resistance to the authoritarian tendencies that began in ukraine, i don't know if they started in the 19th year or now, or maybe even before but but these are definitely authoritarian tendencies that contradict the spirit of the revolution of dignity of the revolution of the 14th year,

which also started the changes in the dovzhenko center itself, and this is a very, very apt description of what is happening now already in the 20th year, actually when the new management of the state cinema, the dovzhenko center, was just appointed, and it also became such a unifying factor, actually, because then the entire cultural sphere was deprived of funding, and in particular , the dovzhenko center, which was in principle on the verge of destruction because of that that he could not hold any offline events at that time because everything was actually prohibited ms. yuliya, you are also a person who applied for a competition to lead a state cinema and yet , in a strange way, you seem to have passed the competition, but somehow you are leading state cinema ms

kudarchuk, who before that headed some kind of municipal cinema somewhere in zaporizhzhia or somewhere. well, maybe she really is a person, a person, a person knows tea and is more worthy than some municipal cinema there, but actually, how did this happen to you and how is it now, is the ministry of culture listening to the protesters to those people who don't care about the fate of the dovzhenko center, whether it will be reduced to some kind of ignoring and then everything will quiet down and it will be as it is convenient for them... well, as for me and the competition, thank god we took participation in various contests, so she took part in the second contest, but there were also no less worthy candidacies of serhiy zelenka, for example , or olga bezkhmalnitsina, who scored more points and were also strangely not appointed, well, she actually

demonstrates her incompetence constantly during the entire term that she is in office, we can see this, and how does she communicate with the film community in any way, when comments on the official pages are blocked, when, in principle, there are no meetings with the film community for discussion there are no questions when the public council at the state cinema is ignored, it is necessarily a body for consultation with the public, in particular, for example , the situation with the dovzhenko center . eteri eh, but this is in relation to the ministry of creating a ministry of culture, it takes such a slightly detached, but already interested position because of the publicity, because the state cinema itself came out of the control of the ministry of culture and the dovzhenko center has passed to the direct subordination of the state cinema itself, therefore the ministry of culture can't do anything on the other hand, knowing, let's

say, people interpret the law on culture so that there is a collection that is kept by the dovzhenko center, and this directly concerns the ministry of culture, which cannot remain aloof. i would i really didn't want to think that there could be such a possibility. that everything would go wrong. as they say, uh, but uh, i see the mood of the film community, and even those who are afraid to say something, so they just keep silent. i don't agree with one thing. no one has actually come out in defense of the state cinema or their actions and said that you are doing everything correctly. i think that now, when there is a full-scale war in ukraine, such things cannot be interpreted like that. by the way it cannot be missed because, first of all, it is a shame in front of those who are now our colleagues, who are actually at the front, who are counting on the fact that we are here holding a cultural, let's say such a front and cultural dust, and

for them to return to such a situation will simply be additionally traumatic, because god they are all there returned er and from the other side actually and ours then we are fighting if er we ourselves er more precisely our government means that such people are random incompetents actually destroying what is our culture in principle i just don’t understand the position of the ministry of culture that is what is it? what does it mean that cinema is a separate institution, they have no influence on it, or is there a lot of cunning in such a story? well, it’s the same, i don’t know. i would say, for example, the minister of education is there, what do you know? i don't know this school, she is there specialized and there in general they have their own council of teachers and it generally has no relation to us now state cinema who signed well the

appointment is made to the cabinet of ministers and at that time but if you remember the history a little more than a year ago i think when the minister of culture oleksandr tkachenko submitted his resignation , then the reason was that the ministry of culture was responsible for the production of cinema and all the state film studios of schools in particular, and this was the main reason at the time, but it was simply somehow it was absorbed, it passed imperceptibly, and then they continued e. there are activities on some other fronts. but of course, this is culture, the minister of culture cannot actually react in any way, some meetings have already taken place, but it seems to me that only steps and actions will prove real the intentions of this situation to be resolved by the community in general well , that is, there is still such an important moment before the 14th year, and in ukraine, in fact, there was cinema, well, there used

to be two or three films in our country, and for a year, someone somewhere tried to there's some s- to find money and go in and do something like that, but after the 14th it became really receiving normal state support. well, you have to admit that you should praise the then heads of the state cinema, well, obviously there was an understanding in the government, there was an understanding in the state in the president's parliament. i don't know that everyone had big trainings for this are all budgetary and in fact, well, ukrainian cinema lived accordingly. what does the community think about this whole situation? does the film community support the dovzhenko center now, to what extent is everyone united in this? supports, but seeing certain trends in the last two years, there is a part of the film community that is just behind the

scenes a-a expresses its indignation not publicly yes they are afraid they are afraid and to put it bluntly sometimes they count on the fact that in the future they want their film projects to receive financial support a doshkina has repeatedly demonstrated that there are, so to speak, black lists that somehow disagree, producers receive such letters of happiness with the claims of state cinema, as now, for example, with the film "the vision of a butterfly", that is the producers received such a letter of happiness there, a film that was at the cannes film festival. and now there is a state cinema, simply because of the position of the production team and the director, they are under pressure, well, they don’t want all this, it’s state money, money is always very difficult, and the state will always be rights, so to speak. yes, you can always find something, and everyone is usually afraid of it, although it is. well, let's say on their conscience, because it

seems to me that if we were not afraid now of the russians, who attacked our country, then why should we be afraid you know the dovzhenko center as a symbol of this kind of really just stupid evil, and if you remember the biography of dovzhenko, someone there also sawed off the brakes in his car, and it was the handwriting of those services that worked for that great power, the soviet union, which is also a bit of the same dovzhenka tried to break it. thank you, ms. yuryia, for the conversation. yuliya sinkevich, producer and founder of the supervisory board of the ukrainian film academy, was with us, and we will also talk about a little legal aspect, what happened there and why that uh the court is postponed the meeting is postponed what are they doing there what are they doing how what role do these pickets play because yesterday the supporters of the dovzhenko center actually gathered at the court they had such masks of the face of

oleksandr dovzhenko is this center named after them, you see they protested someone came with dogs as a hint it's obvious that the pre-appointed chairperson is well, who is that dog trainer? i don't even remember the last name, i only remember the dog trainer is fedorchuk, who was the director of the municipal theater appointed a dog trainer and she even now said that she will guarantee a new competition that will be independent and transparent, a hundred people who were chosen for an independent and opaque competition . who just want to steal and promote their people well, it's so obvious that even lesya kryzhanivska, a lawyer of the dovzhenko

center, is finally joining us, not only here, but there will be two andrias, finally there will be two lesya andrias they mention the wish of ms. lesya a so if you made a wish about the dovzhenko center it uh-uh if it sounded she could hear yes i thought about it yes give it peace give it peace let go of us let us do our work and you know you know you know what ms. lesya is told that it was a national idea, a social contract before the war, ukrainian society was so active, that 's exactly the phrase, detach from us, don't disturb us , we'll do our own thing, dovzhenko center, we'll do our own little one, i don't know my little one there dream is there where we reach for ourselves and you steal there, do whatever you want, just don't

attack us, well, it doesn't work like that anymore, we need to demand something more, we need to demand to visit like a fool now excuse me when the ground under our feet is on fire to do some reorganization and something there come up with, well, any person who reads the text of this order will understand what this movie is about. it's not about the archive and it's not about culture, it's obvious, but what is it about, something is needed, it's about buildings, it's about the archive, it's not just uh under with the slogan of putting the documents in order, it is very

obvious and clear to everyone that what is needed is not documents and not the archive and culture. at the meeting, all parties must exercise all their procedural rights, submit tax documents, explain their objections, absolutely, and it took place in preparation, and it will take place again on december 20, and after that if all parties have already will exercise their procedural rights and duties,

we will proceed to the consideration of the merits, and this will be the third session or the fourth session, the question of how long this whole trial can take is not resolved. i will say from practice and even from wartime practice i think that we will take a long time. well, not this year, for sure, because there is not enough time. but maybe in two months, the issue will be resolved in the first instance. is legal the director was elected in a transparent competition, mrs. honcharuk. she is returning to her duties and it is not the case that we are talking about reorganization. the dovzhenka church

was filed yesterday. he will join this case. i hope it will be a third party because her rights and interests may be violated after to make a court decision regarding the order that she was relieved of her duties. well, this is a completely different story today, no one understands at all. i think even the state cinema. and who manages the dovzhenko center, because the duties were entrusted to everyone we know this story about yuria chestnut, then it seems that she gave up these duties, then it seems that another person was appointed to perform the duties for today in the dovzhenko center, she is dealing with this information with andriy, when when

officials violate laws and procedures , and then they are rebuffed, a legal vacuum is created, so i think that it is clear that now everything is in limbo, but there are some specific culprits who led to this situation, we hope that the court will, unfortunately, carry out reorganization they have the right as a governing body for today , e.e. , to relieve them of their duties on this matter. the question is for what purpose and in what way this is done. the publication gave an interview in which he said that if the order on the reorganization of the center is not canceled, he will

resign. well, his journalists also asked if he knew yermak, and he said that he was so familiar the last time they met him in the summer regarding the filming of a documentary film, and then alfira worked with a japanese film crew and uh, and he says that this meeting is possible and it influenced the fact that alfiorov was now appointed head of the dovzhenko center, and the question is what do i have to do with it? he says that he is also against of the reorganization , he will leave his post, that is, in fact, he and he are together with alferov, well, look, first of all, he is not fully in office, because there is only an order that has not been brought to dovzhenko of the center, this is the first , and secondly, he is not listed as acting to the unified state register regarding dovzhenko , he did not begin to fulfill his duties, this is the first, second, under what conditions did they

appoint andriy i think that andriy also does not understand because the performance of duties is such an institution that there are a lot of questions in the current legislation, who will pay his salary, what are his working hours, what are his obligations, well, it is not clear. the dovzhenko center , as a state enterprise, should be managed by the general director with whom the contract is signed it's a pity, it's gone for the second year, the third. indeed , andriy had a meeting at the dovzhenko center with the team. i want to point out that he is respected by the team of the dovzhenko center and the people who gathered, the community of cinematographers who came to this meeting. and andriy really has an e- dissonance let's say this about what he was

appointed to do in the performance of his duties, what he has to do , and according to his words and as you can see, andrii really cannot be on the side of the state cinema in matters of reorganization of the dovzhenko center, and he really stated that if not if this order is canceled, then he will resign or not take office, there is no difference, he will not lead er dovzhenko is well indeed yes yes he was part of this movement as well he made his choice there further this is already some kind of moral er issue thank you very much mrs. lesya lesya kryzhanivska , a lawyer of the dovzhenko center, was with us, well, this topic is important to us because we also believe that it is a precedent, a precedent for the cancellation of those very good reforms and, in principle, the spirit of the revolution of dignity, which ultimately led to this

war before independence. this is the fact that led to those prospects of the european internet and being part of a civilized, successful world. what is it that we are all actually also fighting for? and this is an attempt to cancel those achievements and the war with russia precisely in order not to be like russia if they don't slide to what russia has slid to, and that's exactly why it's worth and important to defend the dovzhenko center as an institution that upholds european principles, yes, well , now let's talk about china, what's going on there, why why, the chinese have finally taken to the streets against i against you know what i want to say which is already the first version what is happening at naftoz in bryansk and this version where i remind you that 4,000 square meters of tanks with diesel fuel with which russian armored personnel carriers are refueled by

the way from boryansk are already saying that blew up a drone well, it is unlikely that it was a drone, for example, a chinese one, or, for example, an armenian special service drone, or, for example, it flew in, yes , come on, the lama could launch, it happens that planes fly, theirs fly and they fall in them, maybe it was some kind of drone that flew theirs and did not arrive er, they will tell some mykhailo padelyak that again someone was smoking at the oil depot in bryansk, as always, the same thing from the root kills er or warms well, listen, can you now people from yakutia who er, haul ice there or people who where is it in the irkutsk region and the temperature in the school is nine eight degrees on the thermometer and it is not because some rockets are hitting their critical infrastructure, but simply because

someone there is not working well with gas, they are in trouble with heating, maybe they are for that, then i will bring those people from the irkutsk region, say let 's go around this oil depot and get warm, among other things, recently in the city . do you know such a city? they were taken by surprise by the fact that she was the same. i don't know, they showed it there vigilance, they think, well, an oval. well, it’s probably this one, let’s call where you need to. well, it turned out that they are shooting a feature film about the war in ukraine,

listen, we need to show that column so that you understand what i’m going to say. let's show a second let's show there there there and that means it turned out that they are shooting a feature film about the war in ukraine, and what's the name of he 's a musician ? was hitler's favorite composer, and so are the wagnerians here, er, russia, which tells that it is denazifying ukraine with the word now, i will send this video to our graduation group so that they understand the scale of the horror to which the people of tver were subjected, who , if they did not suspect anything, took to their streets in the morning a well, they definitely didn't go for coffee. i read

that they drink a lot of coffee, drink tea from a samovar, there's something else, and there's a track, ukrainian armored personnel carriers are going there. well , it was just a shock, they thought, well, all the ukrainians near moscow should retreat further. they already took it. well, that’s what it is. well, listen , it’s a good idea, in principle, i think it’s not bad, as if they were definitely not on kamaz, there would be some other kraz machines, yes, krazs, oh, and apcs, well, not of our production, but for a little trophy is it for a trophy well, but that can also be here well, the word they were so disfigured by the city's public opinion that they said and the local governor supported them to cancel those filmings, they say you can shoot wherever you want, at least birabijians well, just not in us to be here we didn't have that e because we don't want fake ukrainian tanks, we want real and real ones well, of course, i'm

exaggerating a little bit, but nevertheless, they really moved these shootings, these shootings well, i wonder why you chose the work of what suddenly well, you didn't decide that the work - this is the largest city that similar to ukraine. this is the european part, plus it is civilized near moscow . well, moscow itself also decided not to film because there it is and they drove by armored personnel carriers with blue and yellow flags so that on the other side it would be good. no , the film was probably a little about something else. victory of russian weapons and so on and so on, it is unlikely that they filmed about the ongoing occupation of your year, although who knows what those russians have in their heads, they are sometimes people who are difficult for us to understand, but she also read about it read what what is this really the joke is a political joke that roosevelt once said listen to angel roosevelt

what theodore said listen i don't believe that in fact stalin really destroyed so many people such crimes besides that golah says belomorkanalyi and so on. well, he says, well, he can't to be so is exaggerating holodomor okay, well, if he really did, he would commit such crimes. well, who would re-elect him in russia ? of course, this is a joke, but it shows how often, for example, in europe. well, they do not understand the essence of russia, they did not fully understand what russia was all this time because it was so shyly kept silent, it was not profitable to say why we did not continue there in the 45th year and so on and so on. well, little by little , this truth about russia is being revealed. he will say, well, you understand that it was attacked by putin, and the whole country is like that, finally, finally, it happened to him,

he says, well, no russians are good, but the buryats are bad , er, those chechens are bad, then all the others are bad, well, he only has dostoevsky yak we know, well, but dostoevsky has already died, although remembering the classics of bulgakov, born in kiev, as one of his characters said, i protest dostoevsky's immortality, so to speak, well, but he wrote very well, you know everything about this, who is tomos illius, well, just brilliant new to repeat it, the ex-president of estonia, tomas henrikelves, published on twitter such a third where 14 gave advice to good russians who demand a marshall plan for the reconstruction of russia. can serve as an indulgence for you and does not

give you any special privileges ukrainians are also very good, just remember in front of good russians and are ready to listen, and good russians are even now trying to teach us and tell us how to live in our country. well, let's remind you that at the beginning of today's marathon, part of the marathon, andrii and i said what we were waiting for you have suggestions for alternative names for russia, for example serhiy klyslytsia suggests calling it moscow, so give us a shot here, while you watch the news with anna eva melnyk, human rights defenders, let's get started