they did it to one of the university itself, in the university itself , that is, they have to hide. unfortunately , this repressive machine has, and the fact that propaganda works, it worked, and you look at what is happening now in the so-called new occupied territories, the russian occupiers have not yet had time to enter zaporizhzhia and in the kherson region, what are they doing with pearls , they are starting to change education, it is getting to the point of absurdity in the zaporizhzhia and kherson regions , which were occupied, they even started handing out gold coins and certificates for what the children completed 11 classes of a ukrainian school, and they are handed over by the minister of education himself, well, it doesn’t even fit into any of them. how is it that for the fact that a child studied for 11 years in a ukrainian school, she receives a medal from the russian federation? well, everything already sounds wild. the second point is that they will immediately start

creating children's youth organizations. kherson was already preparing for evacuation from where the russians were fighting, they had already created a youth army there , six children who were dressed in uniforms and stretched flags at night. that is, you can see the influence which exists, therefore, with the crimeans with children, it is quite difficult because there is propaganda and there is propaganda starting from the children's preschool . let's assume that next year crimea will be completely occupied by the ukrainians and returned to the control of ukraine. what are the names of our soldiers? they will be met there as they were met in kherson.

what to do with those children who went to school there, for example, already there in the 14th year, what to do with the same young women who did not come from russia, for example, sincerely went to those circles, unfortunately, this is a huge problem, this is a problem not only of ukraine - it is a problem of a huge a-and all over the world, and although there are so-called e-e experiences that humanity has, for example, nazi germany or fascist italy, where the processes of e-e denisification took place. it is very difficult because the children's psyche is very influenced by propaganda and it will be necessary to do a very big thing. i think that such a thing as they met in kherson will not

happen . in zaporizhzhia, in berdyansk , in melitopol, because the majority or part of the crimeans, they will just look, well, one government has changed, another will come to them, but there is still a huge number of uh-huh patriots who support and for whom there is such hope after all so what yes, they support and will be very actively involved in the period of de-occupation and reintegration, especially since today plans are already being prepared for the reintegration of crimea , including in the educational direction, which will be easy to say no, it will be difficult but these are our children, these are our territories and we let's take steps we are going one of the first steps of them i apologize where and this is simple and critical thinking you see russian women russians

come already with ready solutions they know what to do that is they bring their own plaster busts of lenin or someone else there they bring their textbooks and they have their programs, while they write down all the bodies in the army, some people go to them to tell the children about chukchi, beautiful melitopol, and so on. what do we see that we also have a ready-made program, or do we just pretend that and in eight years of occupation it wasn't and you just went to the ninth grade and there's just a ukrainian program. that's it. and voila. unfortunately, there is no such program. well, i don't know that there are such programs today, and that's why we need it right now, and we are like that. wrote and addressed themselves it is necessary to develop such programs for every class that would exist, for example, today in melitopol, everyone is invited to watch a

movie for 28 pence for free, and since the 21st century, i apologize, even the soviet union said that this is a myth that was invented, but you see what is happening now, films are being made and will continue the same thing that is happening with the same young guard that will be implemented without fail. that is, it is necessary to debunk myths and show what is what is the validity of showing different points of view that exist because the russian system education is built on the emphasis of one point of view, which exists and as they say there are two points of view, ours is right and yours is wrong, and that is why today it is precisely a huge problem. unfortunately , the war has a very serious effect on it, because resources perhaps there is not enough. however, we have repeatedly appealed to the ministry of education that it is necessary to create literally step by step each one, and you correctly said that russia is entering. what

did they do when, for example, in the same way they increase the number of one of the stories to russian history is mythologized to continue such a story, this is the latest example of netflix, which advertises this film, it tells about a russian prince, so tell the southern service after the appeal of ukraine, the only thing they changed about this is the myths that exist in the world. they are needed not only in crimea, but in this world, to change and show ukraine as a state that has existed since ancient times and not something invented by the russians, you know i once filmed a boy in crimea before the annexation who had incredible success in mathematics there and when i was with him talked, he told me how he was supported by some cultural organization there, and of course from

russia, and then he told me about how russia generally helps schoolchildren, this was about back then, no one thought that crimea would be occupied , annexed. and actually, well, let's imagine that crimea already with ukraine, or how do we, as ukraine, actually have to deal with such organizations that will try to penetrate anyway and continue to influence our children ? well, of course, it should be done by the relevant bodies that exist and if there is propaganda of it you just need to stop. i apologize even before starting and not only to public organizations. well, maybe even to religious organizations. you see what is happening now with the moscow patriarchate on the territory of ukraine, and it occupies no less a position here on the territory of crimea. they will ban even more the ukrainian orthodox church and therefore

, you need to talk to these public organizations from the point of view of the law. if you have propaganda, you are simply banned so that you can not act, and, unfortunately, there are no other steps. there is no need to be afraid of these measures of accusations that exist today, we were already afraid and thought how to do it gently so that no one would be imaged, we already have and see the consequences today, especially this applies to children's organizations, because the first cossack organizations from russia appeared on in the territory of crimea even before the beginning of 2014, even before the start of the war, and we missed them again, another organization appeared, moreover, russian public organizations of the so-called, this is not only a problem of the crimea of ​​ukraine, it is a worldwide problem the problem that exists and these organizations that spread their tentacles also say all over the world as octopus and because of the various support of both political

and public organizations, therefore, i think we need to unite and put a barrier in these organizations as well as the means of mass information what the only thing you know is that i still remember these photos, photos from 1945, when germans, ordinary people, children, even teenage women, were taken, for example, to watch mass executions or were taken to concentration camps just for the sake of it in this way, if only to remind what the nazi regime is, and by the way, this was also in 1941 and in lviv. when the germans just entered, what was the first thing they did, they opened the prison, the prison on lonsky , and simply those willing could come and see for themselves what happened to the thousands and thousands of people who were tortured there, thrown with grenades, and so on and

so forth, torn to pieces, and this is this, this is such a shock therapy. but maybe this is the first thing that will have to be done after the liberation of crimea is to take a liberated person to some severodonetsk or mariupol so that those people these young army men are now there, those schoolboys who walk like a tiny organization. they looked at what the russian army really is. unfortunately, you ca n’t even drive far like that. kherson is located nearby, which is now being transformed again and destroyed every day. literally today or yesterday , they were shot in the hospital and - and that is, these problems are really one of such options, which is well , and the second option, after all, is education, on the one hand, cruel education that will require shock therapy, which they correctly said, but on the other hand an approach that will exist and there are many approaches to such native, gentle education that

allows a-a child to be taught to look, that is, not to force him to look in this direction and look where you think is necessary, analyze choose and see what will happen and that is very wonderful it works, if you look at it today, world education is already moving from education and knowledge of facts to education with the use of to put into practice one or another of our knowledge that exists, we also need to teach children or we are now gradually engaged in ukrainian education so that children look soberly at this world, evaluating these facts, which are one of the main ones, probably in principle you do not trust what they tell you, try look at this and then draw conclusions. it is possible to teach children in crimea to show someone . look, there was such and such and such. look, we will

choose and consider these events from different points of view and then approach it. the polish creator, who is a director, in one of his books, he wrote, he remembered his childhood years, how his parents told him when poland was socialist, they said, "you go, listen to, listen to the lessons, of course. when these mathematicians teach you something, then learn everything that the teacher talks to you and listens to you. it’s all from a to z. and when they tell something about history or literature, they come home and tell. mom, we’ll tell you . i think in the luhansk and donetsk regions, that is, where the family in our country considers it necessary for the child to have a future, and the future is not in some totalitarian state, but really, the future for the child is a pine tree, the light can say yes.

they do it like that. it's a pity, sometimes it's also tragic, and because children can't always hold back and uh, what scares children like water, for example, in the last one, here's literally a scarecrow that exists in berdyansk, when will it start saying if we said before, we'll call your parents to the director, now some collaborating teachers say that we will now invite your parents to candidacy . well, that's it. and there are such examples, as well as the example of the same melitopol, when a girl who refused to write the so-called " exo" soldiers, that is, "soviet" or "russian occupiers ." the collaborating teacher said that her essence with parents will be together, that is, it exists and will exist, and the education system will seriously affect the lives of children, and about that, the child will develop depending on the family and society. thank you for the conversation oleg khokhredko of the expert center civil education, alimony, we

talked a little about how they are trying to prepare a kind of russian version of the hitler jugend from children in crimea, and we talked a little about how the russian measure is there. and now we will talk with myroslav the czech, a polish politician who is at the studio p what about the russian organizations in general, any cultural organizations that are in poland, how are they doing now? organizations, they were connected with the status of national ethnic minorities and russians took into account their extraordinary - there were very few of them there, there were several hundreds, this is the north-eastern territory of poland, białystok , but this was taken into account. there are

also people who recognized their russian ethnicity , their russian ethnic origin, but there are very few of them. and i think that there are no problems with them, because they are national minorities regulated by the appropriate by law and there are no problems here, there is russian migration even before february 24, it is mainly political migration, which is very pro-ukrainian, and they went out to protests and in support of ukraine and condemnation of putin's regime, and so on. they were very visible at the beginning of the great war after february 24, now a little more, when there was an incident under the russian embassy when the representatives of this new wave of russian emigration were not allowed to go, but they, well

, there was criticism of those who were not allowed to go on stage that is, the russians who came to poland are feeling well, but the piston extremely limited the issuance of visas and a new wave of russian emigrants to poland is not observed, as are the closed checkpoints between poland and the books of the greek region . 14 yes for the russians, the so-called good russians and who also had questions about whether our plan for the future of post-war russia would be good. if you agree with those points, i will remind you that it is there in particular. well, very briefly. let's put it this way, stop considering yourself special, stop considering yourself what are we. as if we are not to blame here, stop thinking that we are the ones who have suffered and repeat every time that we are to blame

. what are we doing now and every time we repeat that we do not oppose our war, we support ukraine and are ready to rebuild it well, take it emotional, of course, on the level, i like this text, include it so that awareness it was true that don't forget where the aggression really came from, but you i think that it's actually a little bit of a discussion on er, well, a side cake , yes, that is, the main thing is that russia invaded ukraine , the russian federation, the russian state, the russian federation invaded with aggression, unprovoked, lawless, which has on aims at the genocide of the ukrainian nation, and this is also the norm of international law. for this , russia, as a state, must bear responsibility

. live in their citizens they should be responsible for this and it is the first duty of the international community to ensure the conditions in which ukraine will receive compensation condemnation of aggression has already taken place at the level of the un and all international institutions yesterday the minister of justice of the gsvan group stated that they will coordinate efforts to brought to justice and russia and those criminals who committed crimes against e.e. war crimes and crimes against humanity on the territory of ukraine and i think this is a very right step and in this, in this, there should be a discussion about there is the responsibility of the russian federation, its society, its authorities, of course, for the crimes it

committed against ukraine, now the discussion in international law is taking place about the main thing, whether it is necessary, and how to prove to nuremberg 2 what is nuremberg 2 well, there were crimes against humanity against war crimes and so on, instead, the top of the third reich and the third reich as a state and, accordingly, the totality of all and citizens were tried for a crime against the peace or a crime of aggressive war and this is the key or what crime against the peace against an aggressive war, then the whole state sits on the dock and then without exception whether you conditionally agreed or did not agree , in fact, then you have a collective responsibility as a citizen . so further to the positionalists, well, from a human point of view, yes, it is unfair. they protest and so on, but unfortunately, unfortunately, there is. so there is simply a war and a war

between states is happening, that is, it is not that you are a neighbor i came to my place and i am dealing with a neighbor who is here. i don't know me. in fact, there are always those conversations about m-m about these international tribunals. i know that there are many, many people. they somehow calm and comfort me. it is gnawing from the inside, probably because i don’t really believe it, probably because i understand that before that germany was occupied by allied troops from all sides, including berlin, with the complete destruction of the army in fact, and it surrendered in the same way, and is this possible in principle to completely occupy, for example, the russian federation it is not necessary to occupy it is not necessary do not forget about such things as the sanction and russia now and again the problem with russia today is actually one of what to do with its membership in the security council, but then this lubet process

must mature internally, that is, the russians themselves have something to say what do we want for this process, it should be externally initiated by the ukrainian state, the ukrainian state does everything and involves foreign countries, yes, other states and yesterday's statement , but it is extremely strong because there is a problem as there is no precedent. okay, there is no precedent. let's go down the same path. this is me. yes, serbia, and so on. this is another question. the second question is that russia can flood north korea, but from the understanding that the sanctions will be carried out simply, and then there is a

question for russian society. aware of this or not, it is not necessary to occupy for a process such as the one currently underway, because it has already been launched, uh, to occupy russia. there is no need for this fragment to be so interesting and prominent. there you can speak russian on this russian television . they are just discussing this story when simonian says , even if we assume that we managed to completely lose this war and it will reach the hague , and then solovyov interrupts her and says, well, if it's the hague, then everything is nuclear ash. i'm not i remember everything in a flash, that is, then we'd better blow up the world if it comes to that. how do you feel about it, or isn't it really the mood of the russians? he's a criminal, my dear, he can

talk, dear, in fact, i don't watch them, you don't even listen to them, well, these are criminals, this is self-evil, they can bring it out, dear, we have to do our own simple step. master, i don't watch either . brains and there is only one or it is a path that let's say it is justified or not justified and whether it will bring a result, well, look, ukraine won the stalik arbitration, er, the court with gazprom, it seemed for years, no one believed it, and so on, where did compensation have to be paid ? of the kerch strait, it turned out that the russians lost and then they lost. well, they released the ukrainian sailors only because the ukrainian sailors

lost because otherwise they would confiscate their property. this is not stupid. i will confiscate everything , planes, ships, they will confiscate everything. the world is now western and is determined to punish this criminal the way they were punished well, without exaggeration, i say this for the third time by other means, but the result should be very similar, compensations should be paid, uh, criminals should be punished and the state should be punished, which is very important if you ask an ordinary german about the second world war, about what germany did, even a modern german who was born he will feel shame for all that for a long time, he will apologize for what germany did, is it possible imagine that an ordinary russian for whom , for example, well, for an ordinary german, hitler is not a

hero, but for an ordinary russian, stalin is a hero , can you imagine that i don’t know in a few years there or in 10 years when nuremberg-2 will take place and and all those who started this war will be condemned, he will say i am very ashamed, i am very sorry i apologize, i apologize to the ukrainians er before that ukrainians whom the same ordinary russian for a very long time considered something inferior something worse and in general how did these ukrainians dare to have a separate one country and be called some kind of separate nation, well, in historical analogies, they talk about two conclusions, one conclusion is pessimistic, all attempts to build democrats were responsible, that is, a society that is responsible for its actions for its power ended unsuccessfully in the 17th year in russia in the 17th year, temporarily overthrown the bolsheviks established a bolshevik totalitarian dictatorship that brought terrible

victims. the second attempt was after 1991. we do not forget that yeltsin is putin's successor , yes, blessed, blessed. i apologize yeltsin and so on ended with what ended , that is, historically they say that it is unlikely, rather not, but secondly, we do not forget that the dissolution of the soviet union became possible due to the fact that in russia there was a strong, very democratic movement, which was the first of perestroika, that is, but to what i am leading, the answer actually lies within russian society, what kind of society do they want to be, their status corresponds to what surkov wrote, we separately, the civilization in our roots, the golden horde , is not an asian civilization in essence, and so on why should we go to this europe? well, that's how they want to be. well, after the victory, we need to build a wall

. ukraine is in nato, in the european union, and nato adopts the doctrine of deterrence, and so on. it's clear. and the american presidents talk to china about world problems. so, there is some such a monster, which is guided by some of its own means. well, there are 140 million of them, and there are also big cities of the intelligentsia of the young generation who still want to live and think about themselves. well, then let them be responsible for their actions ukrainians pay a terrible price for this because they want to be democratic societies, others have paid the same, well, let them be adults as well , but these are their problems and we don't need to deal with arranging their heads. well, they arranged so that, unfortunately, people die because of that to call a spade a spade, that is, evil is evil and good is good. poland is a very religious roman catholic country. the pope

surprises us every time with new statements. it's really what the russian army is doing, it's cruel, but it's not, it's not exactly these russians, and it's some chechens over there, who do you understand who started this war ? is a very important figure, how now in poland are the roman catholics concerned about this pope, are there any appeals to him that he finally said where there is evil and where there is good, who started the war, called the name and surname and was not afraid i wouldn't have said that, but there is such a feeling. well, ivan paul ii would have had yes of course well, let's talk. so, the religiosity of poland is falling among the younger generation, there is simply secularization and such a turning away from the church from the church is very strong, very strong in big

cities when attendance at religious studies in secondary schools is 18%, when everything was 90 95 now and 18% and these percentages are falling, so the religious ones are standing, but the pope, of course, franz was a huge disappointment at the beginning of his statement, now it must be said that the pope wrote a letter to the ukrainian people and all the accents are clearly there were made, and i want to emphasize that this happened after the conversation with us during the visit to the vatican of his beatitude sviatoslav, the head of the ukrainian greek catholic church, and this letter of the pope to the ukrainian people is as it should be, everything is already there and that ukrainians have the right to protection and children , and the named lisa is from vinnytsia, odesa, and this is not all that is needed. i think there is one that should

bring ukrainians such reassurance now regarding these statements of the pope and so on. these statements because he said about the great russian people, humanism and so on. well, he went into what he said, it's not the russians, it's the weeds and the chechens, well, but how are you, the pope, catholic, catholic, it's for everyone and says that there are bad peoples, but here it means that there is something wrong with your mission, it's just me. i'm sorry that i'm talking about the pope like that, but it's just cool, but zakharova already told him it's not like that. something didn't agree the first time i said well, in some ways she's right and i think that the pope will be informed, this pope will understand that less you say that you are sitting there on and i draw attention and write more such texts as the pope's letter to the ukrainian people, for which i think that all greek catholics