well, they are definitely when they will end, because we have no other option, we have to, we have to finish them. well, if there are special options, i don’t see them, but it’s true, there are a lot of them, that is, it’s not , for the most part, there are some soldiers there, mostly this is a similar public, but they have an understanding that they are actually using them for this purpose, that is, they do not expect that these prisoners will live there for a long time in the conditions of the intensity of the fighting and what they are now. good luck if they lived through it for a couple of weeks, in fact, until the first assault, that is, they don't care much about this, that is, they basically took it as absolute cannon fodder, and i don't think that anyone there is very worried that there is anyone there. in general, this tactic is actually used, but

i say once again, you don’t have to think about what’s there, only what’s there, well, if there is a different audience and uh, that is, you also need to understand, uh, it’s generally obvious that uh, different methods are used in order to drive these stormy waves this is the barrier of the tribe, that's for sure that is, they are shot for any attempt there. as they say, they are tricked or run somewhere in the wrong direction or show unwillingness to go on the offensive there . go get food in battle. that is , these are also the methods they use, well, it is absolutely. let's say yes, well, it is no different from what happened during the second world war and the penal battalions, maybe even in some ways more severe mr. andrii. please tell me

what equipment or what do you lack there now, what can we all help with, because i saw on your page a call to ukrainians to help with funds to buy a car that quite often come under fire and end up on the front line you can contact the ukrainians through our tv channel and explain what is necessary and how we can all help you together, dear society, go to facebook andriy illenko, write in ukrainian letters, subscribe and see my posts there, i constantly post them there when we have any need, or cars that we regularly come under fire, we need them . well, let's say new ones so that the guys can work . a significant vision, because now in the conditions of the long night, it is very

important, well, we do it, that is, the only thing i constantly do is that i am just some kind of mania, the censorship in facebook has reached some unprecedented limits, because, well, i just don't post. they already there are three of them in two days posts, and just those posts where we collected funds for e-e to help the battalion, that is, i think they are some russians who are working. moreover, i see that it is not only with me, but in general, there are ukrainian bloggers who deal with them now, covering the war or there collects some resources to help the army, there is a massive wave of bans, uh, efforts to post, and so on. that is, i don't know what's going on in facebook, well, it's just a frenzy, uh, but anyway, please come to my facebook , subscribe to my telegram- andriy is also a channel illienko, there is less censorship there. so, in principle, there are more opportunities for information, and in this way, if each person has the opportunity or at least something to help, then we will be very grateful, because yes, we

provide for ourselves, of course, the state does not provide, we ourselves find opportunities to buy a lot of things with our own funds but this is such an intensity of the war that well, we constantly need updates, updates , because we need to maintain combat capability, and very often this requires resources , so we will be grateful for any help, friends , now we will show the post of andrii illenko on the screen on his facebook page, you can go to this post and help andriy illinka and his brothers to raise funds, you see cars quite often come under fire and burn, and the freedom battalion of the national guard needs help, you can go to his page and find all the requisites to replenish the account and help the freedom fighters and ukrainian soldiers who are now fighting for bakhmut with funds and in order to buy

a car. the development of events on the eastern front and what can change the situation on the eastern front, that is, when the russians will flee from the city of bakhmut and not attack this city. well, it will be obvious that many weeks of intense fighting is 100% a quick solution of some kind here it won't happen because a lot of forces from both sides have been drawn here, it's not clear, of course we'll play because actually bakhmut held on all this time and there was an opportunity hidden here by a large, large russian group and thus gave the opportunity to advance on kharkiv oblast, then on kherson oblast and i think that it will soon be the turn of

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youtube channel. well, we will continue to have ihor lapin on the air, he is a special officer of the armed forces of ukraine people's deputy of the eighth convocation of the verkhovna rada of ukraine igor slava of ukraine, glad to see you on the air hello hello, so let's start our conversation with today's information, which was very noisy and made a lot of noise. the derdale foundation is the president of the commission that estimated the losses of ukraine in the war with russia. one hundred thousand soldiers from 1st. in a post on twitter, ursula von der leyen gave the number of 20 in more than 20,000 civilians , the spokesman for the president of ukraine, serhiy nikiforov,

says that it is not yet time to talk about the losses of the ukrainian side. accordingly, there are a lot of different speculations about this topic russians are talking about the fact that we lost a lot of military personnel, e.e. mili general mili is talking about exactly that, after losing 100,000 a few weeks ago, the statement was in what way do you think it is possible to avoid such speculations about the losses of the ukrainian army and when according to you, the ukrainian authorities will be able to talk about losses on the ukrainian side, well, first of all, look at the number that was named by the hutsula foundation, so what you want to pay attention to first of all is 100,000 soldiers, and therefore, if you take the category of war, then 100 000 dead , there would always be somewhere there would be at least 300,000 wounded, yes, that is, such losses in all situations, this

would mean that we lost 100 brigades . in there are more than a million people in the armed forces , therefore, of course, this number does not correspond to reality, the danger of such a number is completely different. the first statement that was formulated is 100,000 military and 20,000 civilians. so, the thesis of the russian federation is that they are destroying military facilities, that they are fighting against military armed forces against the weapons of ukraine and not against the civilian population will again be, let's say so, directly in your spirit on the channels of russian television and all situations other danger listen to us before the war in about half a million people lived in mariupol, so she wants to say that on the entire territory of ukraine, including mariupol, bucha is there and others are there,

irpin is there, kupyansky is there, and so on, that only 20 thousand died. that is, this cannot be true even in the background those statements that 11,000 stolen children have been officially confirmed from ukraine, this is what is officially confirmed, and there are many other numbers that are unofficial. therefore, these numbers are some kind of abracadabra, and it is quite difficult to comment on this advocadabra. the question is why we do not report about you know our losses, one day it will happen and our society will simply be acts. excuse me for the slang from the number of the victims we laid on the altar of freedom and independence. so these will be colossal numbers. i can only analyze them from some sources, in particular, even taking into account my unit and approximate losses from the number of people in the unit for a certain number of combat operations there, months and so

on. therefore, these will not be the numbers that we have here . and some people may be trying to show that ukraine lost 9,000 there, but russia almost there 100,000 let's talk frankly about this issue. the fact that it is classified today is so because the worst thing is panic and it is right that we will find out and we will know how many people died as a result of the failure to blow up the antonov bridge , how many people died as a result of the failure to blow up the chongar demining, how many people died in mariupol as a result of the inaction of these actors , how many people died as a result of the inaction of the relevant structures that were supposed to lay down weapons for the partisan movement in the occupied territories, we will just believe me , the society will find out and it will be in shock. but for today, we have a main principle:

we must win. we must end this victorious war so as not to leave it as a legacy to our grandchildren, because our children have already inherited this war. this is the main question why is it not being declassified or should we speak frankly now or should we not, well here i am not ready to comment on this issue because it seems to me that so far we are doing the right thing by not declassifying this information the question is commentators, predictors of missile strikes, that's all, well, this is arrestovych of the brain, and i don't want to comment on him. meanwhile, ursula funderleen said that the european commission will support the creation of an international tribunal under the dignified un in order to bring all the guilty to justice, she added that russia should pay for its terrible crimes, in particular, of aggression against an independent country. over the past nine months, quite often, both in ukraine and

outside ukraine, they talk about russia's responsibility for the crimes that are currently being committed on the territory of our country, according to yours, how long should it take to talk about this and launch a real mechanism of an international tribunal, which would be impossible in the future victims of russian aggression, because every day it takes away from us the best fighters in the south-east and abroad on other fronts every day. our country is destroyed every day. villages and towns are being destroyed. critical infrastructure is being destroyed. well, look at the launch of the mechanism and the creation of an international tribunal - this is not yet the tribunal itself, and the question of when is will take place and or well let's do it i don't i don't know historically when the nuremberg tribunal was created

well when when how did they prepare in advance i think it will be connected with the schedule of the empire with the absence of a threat from the failure of the empire and when it will all happen then and there will be an opportunity for such tribunals to be not only, you know, to create a tribunal for the sake of a tribunal or to create a tribunal for the purpose of convicting russian war criminals and so on , all the issues of ukrainian society will be satisfied in in this situation, 10,100 people from the russian federation will be condemned. well, let's say 1,000 people from the russian federation. well, just like it was after the second world war, but the lion's share of the representatives of nazi and fascist germany continued to work, remained in germany and even held certain official positions and so on. in the nurem

process, society's requests for justice were satisfied, in my deep conviction, probably not because the request for justice was satisfied precisely by the collapse of hitler's germany with the prices of restag were satisfied and, as they said, satisfied with the developed, satisfied. well, this phrase may not be the same today , it sounds like it sounded in those days. but if we apply it to today, will we be satisfied only with the trials of putin's military generals there and putin's supporters there, of course not we remember the historical facts when germans were not allowed to work on the territory of switzerland, if i am not mistaken, for another 50 years after the war. that is, we have to do something to russia, but in any other country in the world, but the most

important moment, which i believe should be the result of the end of this war, the victory of ukraine, and so on , should be the impossibility of moving somehow into a system of global collective security. we remember the league of nations before the second world war and we see today's radbes eh eh organization of the united nations, which may be their decisions to block with one stroke, as they say , therefore in this situation the satisfaction of justice will be the very existence and creation such a system of collective security, which in the future will be impossible, all these processes that are taking place today on the territory of ukraine. i mean the aggression of a country that is stronger , bigger, with a bigger army, or with nuclear weapons, or not with nuclear weapons, and so on. breaking the cynicism of the western world when they protect losses in money

and we protect losses in people, this has been happening since the 14th year, i.e. well, does anyone think that if the entire civilized western world helped like this to us in the 14th year. that would be the number of victims that exists today. of course not. that is why i believe that this may be the consequences of the satisfaction of the request for fair and unfair punishment. minister of defense of the russian federation serhii shoigu spoke about the power of the russian army, he says that they are training those mobilized on training grounds in russia and belarus, 300 thousand conscripts have already been trained, almost 3,000 are working with them instructors, we will hear shoigu, about three thousand instructors are listed, more than 100 training grounds are active

on the territory of our country respublika belarus in two months, usually hear 300,000 reservists, including a volunteer, a textbook, a center of trained about eight thousand crews of combat vehicles and tanks , calculations of artillery systems, means of air defense, unmanned systems aviation and radio-electronic warfare hardware communication servicemen received the knowledge and skills necessary for the successful execution of combat and special tasks, how to independently attack the whole unit, it is clear that shoigu and his associates are preparing to continue the war, once general serhiy krivonos proposed to create large territorial defense forces even before they were actually created. he talked about what should be done it is necessary to prepare the entire population for war, then there was a big invasion and a lot

of people went to these forces of territorial defense, and yet, and yet, it is obvious that russia will be with us for a long time, well, forever, and it is clear that we must have by our side with such a stupid neighbor as russia is a big test not only for us, for our children, for our grandchildren, for our corrections according to your e, what should change in state policy now in order to create all the opportunities for training the entire population in order to always be ready to meet the enemy with weapons in hand, to be trained and to understand what to do in case, well, let 's say that it was a long time before everything that happened, what you talked about back in the 15th year, i was also the author of with one of the episodes of the draft law on the creation of a reserve army exactly according to the principle of the so-called swiss model or any other of the civilian population, the

first thing we need to do is to settle this issue of weapons , that is, the issue of weapons is not only there, now there are certain groups there that drown there or allow there sell a short-barreled rifle in free circulation, etc. no, i am talking now about the global issue of weapons, if the weapons are distributed to the population and they are accounted for, then these are normal weapons, if the weapons will be obtained by partisan means, then they are abnormal weapons, etc. if we take the beginning of the war, then if the population had those weapons, then we would not have been engaged in the first weeks of what we were all engaged in, because all of ukraine was looking for weapons, all those people who had combat experience , colossal combat experience since the 14th year, such as my brothers there were also veterans of various volunteer battalions, those volunteers who had gone through the throes of war, they were looking for weapons, who had a hunting rifle, they went against the invaders, russian armed paratroopers to the

teeth, we went to fight with hunting carbines, someone there had some kind of partisan girl, someone poured molotov cocktails. that is, you understand when the population. that is, you can defeat the army, but you cannot defeat the population of one or another country. if the population could resist, then a car driving along the road evacuates a family, a peaceful family, then i am sure that that man would have kalash with you, you understand, he would not have left that weapon somewhere at home in a safe while taking his children out, and at every step the invaders would have been repelled, and such a substantial armed normal, and those who have combat experience would also give an organized selection therefore, this issue is enough to account for the issue of

weapons to the population. weapons once a quarter average meeting there once a month for three days meeting is already a debatable issue it is possible to see how appropriate it is for what period and so on training with the civilian population well listen well i well i lived i'm 53 years old, i lived once under the soviet union, well, studying in schools and school, medical training yes, med, tactical medicine, it all happened in the soviet union, we always prepared for an attack, why today we have a question well, there should be state programs on a volunteer basis well, there, well, i understand that on the eve of the war it was very important to start the economy, the economy could be started by setting up the production of tanks, the economy could

be started by setting up and in three shifts the slicers on the production of kraz vehicles there in other cars, wheeled equipment, planes, and all that. today, we are engaged in self-promotion, we launched the production of 152 caliber. well, first of all, it was launched back in 18th year, and you froze it, and now you are doing pr on the fact that it was allegedly launched, no, you restored what what what what buried this issue, we have to take great care of the opportunity to defend ourselves . where is the neighbor? and he is no longer one of us. we will have two of them and everything scares him. but nevertheless , he helps the russians. i am talking about belarus today and about lukashenka until they are these borders. and these are 3,000 borders. we need to do this. we need to be constantly ready today. the same means of air defense

that are produced at our factories. what are the technologies of missile programs? all this must be restored because it was all buried starting from the 19th year. it was closed . you tell me well, someday, someday it will not be a state secret. how many tons did we have when the state tests ended? and how many did we order and why did we not make as many as ordered and how did the replacement work? concepts why the 152nd caliber we are talking today at the moment there are even certain statistics that for 1000 shots of the russian 152 caliber we respond answered answered somewhere now we respond to 100 but this is ten times less in the bakhmut direction, today the statistics of weapons and heavy nine to one thing, i’m sorry, and of course i didn’t use those russian guns, i ca n’t shoot them to count, but i can count the number of shots and the number of responses, and my guys can do it, and we can do it

we did, and we saw that for 1.5 thousand shots in our direction, we could fire 10-15, you understand, and today, stop engaging in profanation, simply stop engaging in profanation and train the civilian population. i will no longer focus on those points of invincibility. this is advertising anti-advertisement mmm there they will bend down bending klitschko klitschko says yes, you take the money to the center, and the central budget does not have any help in those points of invincibility, but you know, let's support small entrepreneurs , today every coffee shop in ukraine is a point problems because there is a generator there, you can drink tea there, and you can charge gadgets there, and as a rule, it can still be there if the owner is a little richer, then sterling can still stand, you understand, let’s support that and not engage in such and such you know the tug-of-war, who will take over after the war will pull the blanket and say that it was i who

decided but no one decided, the ukrainian people decided and that will be the given assessment, here are my thoughts about how we should continue to live and what we should do today, tomorrow and the day after tomorrow in the process of fighting that the pompous neighbor of mr. major b we will talk more about lukashenka literally a few oils for you because it is clear what to say about him, the most important thing is that he says that 35-40 thousand soldiers of the belarusian army will not solve the russian problems on the russian front. he says that it is necessary sit down at the negotiating table, we will hear lukashenka there . we will not introduce it because our armed forces are not needed . he told us that we need to

negotiate, negotiate sensibly and talk about peace, we need to expose ukraine and the poles behind it to the americans in the form in which they must be deployed and shown to the whole world, they do not want any kind of peace negotiations , the dangers of the americans, they alone are the rudder because of the poles, the danger one nuclear conflict nuclear weapons why because they will already have their approach so a short comment, if possible, about what lukashenko said well, what will i say well, let him get on his knees and ask for a truce they cannot understand that a truce and peace are different things, a truce is what the russians need, it is that the conflict must now be frozen in order to have the opportunity to regain strength, and peace means that one must agree to reparations and that putin should sit together with lukashenka in the tribunal. that's it. that's why today they are begging from all sides with hints

and so on. they bomb the civilian infrastructure. this is their main goal to encourage ukraine to within the front line that is today on the map. we won't agree to that. that's all. and by the way, i'll say lukashenko and maybe not an acceptable thing, ukrainians are not very afraid of a nuclear strike, maybe we do n't all give ourselves as they say, uh, well, understand the full sense that it's really scary but nevertheless, the soldier on the front line will not become more willing to negotiate if they break it at home in the rear they must understand his peaceful city, and by the way, these theses have already appeared in russian propaganda in this context. and they say that the blockade of leningrad, without light there, without water, and so on, led to the surrender of the ussr to the fascist germany, no, why do they think that we will go there to demand that zelensky sit down at the

negotiating table and cease fire, no, the issue of negotiations can only be after all of ukraine is liberated, this is the issue, the first stage of negotiations begins from the moment when the last boot of a russian soldier went out of bounds territory of ukraine, then we are ready to talk. thank you, mr. igor, for the conversation. this was a special agent, a major of the armed forces of ukraine, a member of the verkhovna rada of the eighth convocation, ihor lapin. i wish you good health, igor. well, friends, today is over the meeting of the nato foreign ministers in brussels, as a result of which the ministers promised to provide ukraine with 53 million dollars to restore the electricity network and are trying to attract other allies to help, that is, the world is not standing by, the world is helping us to live and survive during the russian

aggression at this critical moment well, we must remind that in western officials say that the company for the reconstruction of ukraine needs to consider the second front in the war and it is this second front that must solve the so-called energy rammstein, we hope that in principle the event will help us survive this difficult winter on this, friends, i put a full stop and say goodbye to you until tomorrow, join our social networks follow our broadcast, the broadcast of the espresso tv channel continues, i say goodbye to you congratulations , this is freedom life my name is