will avoid what i am convinced that all the member states of the european union have passed i will even say here i will even write down hungary here because i want to divide hungary which the hungarian people and hungary like today's government eh orbán we will get to it i think everyone has come rethinking and everyone came to understand that very big mistakes were made, and i can cite many facts, but one of the facts is that yesterday germany recognized the ukrainian people's famine with vinegar, as if these facts are not directly related, but they are directly connected as never before. because in 2019 and before that, it is necessary to frankly admit that under pressure from russia or because of the fact that one should not strain one's relations with russia, such a thing could not even be

expected . the mistake of 2008, when in fact germany and france refused to make a decision on providing ukraine with an action plan regarding ukraine's membership in nato, the fourth reconciliation is a completely inadequate and not disproportionate reaction of our european allies today to the beginning of russia's war against ukraine in 2014, and there are two sub-points here, the first sub-point is about sanctions, the initial sanctions that were applied against russia were more superficial than real sanctions that would have undermined russia's combat capability and given the opportunity to support ukraine and not accumulate russia's armed signal. in fact , this happened in 14th. russia received hundreds of billions of dollars from oil and gas and thus armed itself to the teeth, but ukraine began the process

of demilitarization of russia and another mistake of the 14th year is the decision by our allies regarding the supply of weapons to ukraine, in fact, the discussion about the supply of weapons began exclusively as a non -little weapon, well, it is not an offensive weapon on and on - even when, as the prime minister, i launched a new thesis, give us non -offensive but defensive weapons, then the west was not ready and we must frankly admit that , unfortunately, it was a joint decision, let's not annoy russia, that is, in principle, i can add here another key mistake this applied an energy mistake and this energy mistake is costing europe today, uh, the fact that prices have risen by 178%, the price of natural gas, if i take from 2000 to 2013, and somewhere by 70 and a half percent

, the price of electricity, that is, all this has led to europe has realized that europe has become weaker today, and that is why i will once again repeat the thesis that ukraine , fighting today for its independence, is also fighting for the independence of the whole of europe and the entire free world, including energy independence, because as a result of this war, europe in the end, we will get rid of energy dependence on russia, so in the short term we have to pay a price. so we also paid a short-term price when we completely gave up gas from the russian gazprom in 2015. well, we did it, and we have a little less resources, to put it mildly, than the western world, now they will leave in this way, the second realization that one's own security should be a priority, everyone thought that the war would never come and

that they would not shoot from the search for tanks, and therefore europe was not ready for war, and today they they say that it is necessary to accumulate arsenal and weapons, since even the weapons that they transfer to ukraine are not enough for their defense. no one was held accountable for the war criminals except for the bribery, it is not effective and it must be clearly recognized that as of today there is no legal mechanism that would effectively bring putin and his criminals to justice just as there is no effective legal mechanism that would make it possible to confiscate russian assets and send them to ukraine for reconstruction, but this is a chance for all of us, this is a new option for all of us, how to build these mechanisms and establish a new order, i would call it a new order after the actual third world war war because in terms of volume and drama

and the tragedy that unfolded in ukraine as a result of the russian aggression, we can definitely call it the biggest tragedy since the second world war, so russia actually started the third world war the war of tyranny against democracy mr. oleksiy, today you commented on the possibility of launching another missile attack on the territory of ukraine and stated that you want to reassure everyone when there is a rocket attack, the authorities will definitely inform you about it, you do not have to live constantly in anticipation of some troubles, the key question is which millions of ukrainian citizens and military are asking themselves. when ukraine will retaliate against the enemy's territory, in particular, the territory of belarus from which the planes take off, from which it will strike missile strikes on the territory of ukraine. will it happen and if it happens, what must happen for this to happen, what concerns the first thesis of

today's speech in the morning. if i am not mistaken, i can say in a very broad genre that the russian federation is not an open war, but a war that it is waging its own she is also waging an information war, and if you have paid attention in the last 1.5-2 weeks, messages are sent through messengers in which blows will definitely be struck and such. let's put it this way, i think that there is not a single person now who would not receive such information and this is an operation by the russians. it is a deliberate operation by the russians. they have a great desire to keep our society under tension, they say today, tomorrow, the day after tomorrow. i want to appeal to everyone once again that if there is a threat of one or another strikes, we have a system that is working for sure today. our population will be informed, because we have to live in constant expectation that it

will begin, you know. well, this is not a very pleasant thing, what concerns the military matter that you asked about now. i want to say that we have full confidence in of our armed forces, we understand what they do, how they do it, they clearly know when and where, and ours, of course, i would very much like it to start on february 24 across the entire territory, let's say, the crimean bridge, i waited a long time, you know, my position was starting from well, the rest of the rest happened, look, everything will come in its time, everyone will be responsible for everything, and as for the territory of the occupied crimea, do you still adhere to your point of view, which you repeatedly say that the liberation of crimea will happen sooner than the ukrainians and our western allies expect, it is er, well, everyone has their own

countdown, here is a comparison with the period of how long we were waiting for the release, when from er, 14th year, from february 20, 14th year, enough time has already come because i am more than sure that it will be an absolutely short period of time for him to be released, it will be necessary, and a short period of time is approximately how much, let's see, i want to say, and i don't want to use the phrase moscow on rubber but everything they already have is bursting, everything they already have is bursting , and we all feel it, we need to understand that we have to stand, if we stand, if we don't behave the kremlin is from the russian federation, because they have to think about how to get out of this war . we have a war for our truth, for our country, for our

freedom, for our people. we have no right to retreat anywhere, not even a step. and once again i emphasize that it will definitely happen and not only that it depends on me. it depends on the military, including those present in this hall. everything depends directly on all our communities. if we hold on, it will be much faster than we can imagine. after 2014 , according to approximate estimates, russia will have up to 800,000 of its own of citizens today, most of them live in the occupied crimea, simferopol, and further on in other cities, and since your institution, the national security council of ukraine, is the key today , the strategies of the military and post-war era are developed, or you are already looking for an answer to what you will do with those citizens of the russian federation who do not want to leave the occupation of the already liberated crimea, they will say we want to stay here, give us the opportunity, give us citizenship, what will

you do with them? in order for us to take care of certain people, and we did not know what we were doing with them, we clearly have our laws, our constitution, and i emphasize that if a person enters this territory according to our laws, he has the right to live there if she arrived not according to our laws, it will be a problem for that person, not for us, we will fulfill our obligations, let's see what the migration service has to say about it, crossing, let's say, borders according to our rules, norms, or living according to our right norms, then you have no questions if you are there it is not known how you ended up there, then you have to go back to where you came from. and you even emphasize compromises once again, so you are constantly bowing to someone for someone, for some reason, to promise something to someone . in the 30s of the last century led to the second world war. i want to note that after the second

world war, in relation to the germans, as i would say now, ordinary germans, there were countries that did not let them into their territory at all, there were countries that forbade them to work on their territory, etc. i want to say that what is in common with putin, who is responsible for everything that is going on today in our territory , the people who constantly absorb him, who constantly do not want to live in another civilized world, have a common burden. responsibility and those people who are currently , as you say, brought to that territory, they are no different, they are the same responsibility. they know that they live in the stolen territory. thank you, mrs. elena. many people from the kherson region who cooperated with the russian occupation authorities continue to stay there and have left, but far from all. and the local citizens with whom we communicate draw attention to the fact that many of these

people continue to live and do without hiding as if nothing had happened, how do you see the post-war punishment of these people, the answer for collaboration with the russians, and how to divide these people into different categories, well, not all of them committed war crimes, if a person, for example , continued to work at a school teaching according to the russian narratives, the systems of the ministry of education of the russian that is, the federation has formally committed crimes, but this is also a fact of collaboration, how to divide the responsibility of such people, well, it is a difficult question, in fact, on the one hand, it seems simple, because you can write a law and as if by law everyone should act like this, but every situation is very individual, it seems to me that in this situation i would talk more about war and values, so that is, here is the value series that we currently have and, frankly, the ukrainians are currently passing.

well, if we are talking about the coordinates of values ​​- the coordinate, you know, is very important for me, it is humanity, humanity that gives rise to freedom and, frankly speaking, in one or another situation, it is difficult for yourself how they resisted no matter what, it was actually very important for me even when i they sent photos somewhere secretly. many journalists who worked also came out with reports from basements hiding. collaborators must be punished. this is clear, but you know here. the main thing is that we got to the point when we had a couple of examples of these punishments, starting with high punishments, that is, traitors, we are at the level of the law now, by the way, i will finish the law on treason. where would you be? all the definitions and so on have been written out, but uh, regarding collaborators, well, the legislative

changes have all been passed, they are, they have been written out a long time ago. that is, they just need to be brought before the known and judged. as far as i know, there are already many open criminal cases on this matter and they have been transferred to the courts. war, war is war, you know, we had . very clearly just spoke about how we are passing a very difficult stage now because looking at sharpening a politician whether you are a teacher or you are a doctor it is a very, very difficult choice which is you know that in kherson there were shot tortured and cultural workers who contributed in principles of grain truth and this is what it looks like now that this is an existential war that is taking away our best, our best representatives from representatives of

various industries, it is very painful, it is impossible to answer this question unequivocally, taras, i cannot answer unequivocally, but i know that in reality, in terms of valuable such a composition, our ukrainians are currently going through a very big stage and i'm glad that this is uh-uh the most that is even according to the latest ratings of all the agencies that i remember as the last ukrainians have a very strong a-ah a vision for victory, but also for hope for restoration and rebirth, and this seems to me to be the most important message. these are the meaningful series that we have, i.e. truth, goodness, justice, and i will tell you that war is what shaves very much the question of sensitivity, the question of relation to people who will be simply crippled by this war psychologically and physically, and for us, the post-war stage is a very, very big stage. it seems to me that it

will be more difficult than now, because these are very, very issues that will be connected both in the social sphere and also with our emotional readiness for what we are all in principle in a post-traumatic syndrome, we continue this topic of evaluating petrovych after the reforms of president viktor yushchenko, when they first spoke publicly about the famine organ of the ukrainian people, and we remember the ambiguous reaction, both within politics and within society, many people were not ready to agree with this and perceive that it was really a crime, but now we have seen the russian torture chambers directly, which we saw in shevchenko, which we saw in izyum, in balaklia, in other cities, we have not seen it yet. kherson oblast, we can conclude that russia was preparing for this. it is impossible to build such a system of repression according to one model. they did

everything according to one, not a single model. instruments of torture, all this was prepared, it is impossible impromptu, now the question of the political responsibility of those parties, in particular, about the kremlin parties, which, for many years, we tolerated, well, we went to the same talk show with them, invited workers they said that they were talking about the kremlin. but we have the right. they represent a part of society, to give them the opportunity to express what will happen after the war, which we see as a society, what society wants to see and what should happen in reality with those who continue to deny the crimes of this genocide . but there will definitely be such people. maybe they are hiding now . they will come out again later and they will talk. well, not everything is so clear, not everything. ukraine

has changed a lot. and ukrainians have changed a lot, and they are telling the truth. watch speaker olena about the fact that after the end of the war, after the victory in the war, difficult times await us, how to help each other, how to rebuild not only the country, because it is one thing to rebuild the premises, it is much easier to rebuild it, but to build up, to restore morale, to support each other, and you know how to embrace those who have lost something that cannot be returned, one of their loved ones, and someone at the front in the war, a leg, an arm, health, it will be such a big social task that will not require money, money, this is self-evident and i understand how to find them and such internal forces of such

internal harmony and such internal unity, well , which will actually become the basis for building a new ukraine regarding how society perceives how society perceives and what russia was preparing for look what happened in russia in general, everyone says that i am a hawk there there was a war party. well, there was a defense of ukraine in russia. the nkvd changed to the fsb and the essence remained the same. stalin changed to putin and the essence remained the same. stalinist russian and vinnytsia ideology soviet changed to putin's new imperialism, and the essence is the same and before the war, the world press published that russia will carry out genocide in ukraine because the

ideology of russia has not changed, ukraine is a trauma for all russian dictators, those who support such a dictatorship of russia in ukraine e- this is not a sign of democracy, it is a sign of a criminal offense because you cannot support genocide , you cannot support a crime against humanity, you cannot support torture, you cannot support rape if you cover it up. or freedom of speech or freedom of choice. and where will there be democracy? no, this is a criminal offense . i will say yes. well, the harsh policy towards pro-russian classic pro-russian politicians

began before the war. sanctions against medvedchuk, when putin's best man was taken care of, who easily walked around the city of kyiv. and in general, there was a governor-general in the future. i believe that at the legislative level , the issue of eh should be introduced as well as not it is acceptable when they do not recognize e-e acts of genocide as holodomor as genocide, a ban on e-e actual recognition of e-e or russian aggression or support of any pro-russian e-e parties should also be introduced at the legislative level support for any pro-russian ideology, it should be introduced within the framework of the law, denial of russian aggression , denial of torture, denial of russian

imperialism, denial that the holodomor is an act of genocide, denial of war crimes should be prosecuted by law. and such people have no place in to the ukrainian legislative body and in the ukrainian government, this should be a new lustration, an anti-russian anti- imperialist lustration, the only remark to make a little bit. cossack and all the rest of those people against whom sanctions were imposed, these are the decrees of our president of the supreme command, what i would like to draw your attention to, here was such a remark, colleague spoke when they said that we were scared, you ca n't even imagine what pressure there was on our

country since october 30 . that we didn't do what we should have done and what we definitely did on february 24 will be a separate story - it's a separate story now after the end you will have a lot of interesting facts how it all happened who was involved in it how was it done but once again well the pressure was just mad because uh with from the 24th to the 27th, this was the plan that you , our own putin, and i want to say today it is already possible to speak in some capitals of europe with this plan, we agreed, we believed that it would be so, but thanks to the actions of our people, thanks to joint actions that took place at that time, but we survived the most terrible and difficult two or three weeks. thank you, mr.

oleksii. accepted entirely with i would say enthusiastically by the representatives of the ukrainian community, i have to talk about the ukrainian army here, but apart from that, in your opinion , should we go further and legislatively limit the possibilities of the existence of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate and your attitude as the secretary of the national security council or can this organization be called an official branch of the russian world or the russian special services of ukraine, are there any such grounds to believe that well, i would not like to give evaluations of the interpretation as an official person regarding those phrases that you say to the moscow patriarchate, what is going on there, a legal discussion, etc., that's the only thing i can say for today

. what will be good next? the name, yes, not quite. and what is it called extreme phrases, they disappeared somewhere along the way, then the first thing is the lack of this right, so that it is not only eh, so that these phrases not only disappear in the name, they must disappear in first of all in relations let's say control, this means that this ukrainian orthodox church must completely withdraw completely from russia, this is the first, second, it must recognize the tomos correctly , it must come out with a public statement about the recognition of the tomos, well, and the third, accordingly,

then it must completely get rid of its relations with russia and probably then this church will have a different future, as i understand it, the believers will have a different future because before that i have to say my opinion and this opinion is not based on guesswork but on the facts, to my great regret, the fsb used the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate as one instrument of influence on ukraine for the division of ukraine, for the capture of ukraine, for the ideologization of ukraine, for the spread of its network of agents in ukraine, so it pretended that maybe this church has a future. but i think that these conditions are one of the objective conditions, here they are on the table. is there a future for the ukrainian envoy of the church of the moscow patriarchate and the role of the parliament in the regulation of the religious environment ?

said mr. oleksiy, it will be further, i think it will be fine soon, mr. oleksiy, we are ending our discussion today, then, with a forecast, a forecast for ukrainian citizens, the whole week has been waiting for a blackout, ukrainian energy companies are constantly reporting changes in the energy deficit in ukrainian energy networks, without a clear answer we do not hear from western allies or specialists whether russia will succeed in achieving a complete blackout or whether there is such a danger. well, i am not a molfara. i cannot tell you how it will happen. i am the only one who i can say that we were at a certain time and

those decisions were made, they were extremely difficult in order to prevent this from happening. we managed to deal with it, it’s a little easier today, but we understand that these monsters can start a new one at any time. experts know how to save they are already starting to use a little bit of other tools there , which i did not use, taking into account what they already have. this is not enough. for us to put our hands up in a conventional way. it is precisely because of the inability to live in difficult conditions, but i am more than sure

that we will endure and everything will be fine. well, i thank the participants of our panel today, i am sure you join the words of thanks with us today was olena kondratyuk, he is the speaker of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, please thank oleksiy danilov, secretary of the national security and defense council of ukraine . now a short cut, 10 minutes have passed for you to return to the hall. thank you very much. it 's an hour in ukraine in the studio. iryna koval welcomes all viewers of the espresso tv channel, and for your attention , the news release will just tell you about the most important thing.

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