to the ukrainian people and to those who judged kinder peace and the occupation of the chechen independent republic, i thank the ukrainian volunteers who came during the first russo-chechen war and fought alongside the people of szczecin. work for this forum participant. vopros pochemu

the krasil empire is already the territory of ukraine, and why did it happen because russia condemned mirne after two revelations of all wars when 300,000 people died during 42,000 children, 4 presidents were killed in such a small area of ​​130 km from 170, there were about 50 fascist filtration concentration camps in which people were interrogated, killed, raped , and then sold with brown corpses to relatives for the same 10 years, the techensk people went

through all the circles of hell and there was a heap, and then russia attacked the cargo, and no one was there either, then it seized crimea in ukraine and two oblasts of donetsk, luhansk, and the peace was silent. the time will come when they themselves became an internal matter of russia, they grew the russian monster, but their territory was bought by the fall of putin, the creators of the children's school in london invested billions of dollars, western and american banks

are blackmailing europe with a gas pipeline, and russia was hit by terrorist attacks in europe, london was in may, just like this one a prisoner in alexandria in qatar was shamefully engaged in a fight with whom well, then i will remain in russian crimes, they are not afraid of condemnation, что

сейчас будет с нашей мроивой, if he does not condemn putin and his accomplice in all kinds of crimes, if there is no international tribune, the crime will be repeated again and other nations will suffer . the people are winning this swindle, she is a work for everything and her flag sows yellow, the blue sky, the golden field of wheat is already developing, the movement of the feet of the countries of europe has become the running

flag of our planet, in russia it will be dead and ukraine will surely win and this holiday will be the holiday of all civilized mankind. and you can have such holidays, ours is big and bright . i congratulate you on the sale. we have heard the video address of the first president of the republic, ichkeria dzhakhar dudayev. it's called freedom from occupation, people's deputy of ukraine mykola knyazhynskyi joins us. i'm asking mr. mykola, i congratulate you, i'm asking for honey instead of refat chubarov, head of the forest

to the crimean-peper people of ukraine, i am asking for rafadag, i congratulate you. so, the issue of liberating the indigenous peoples of russia from russian domination became the most pressing issue precisely after february 24. why did this happen? why did the desire of many peoples of russia, mr. mykola, to be separate from it, not realized before, and only now have they nadiya appears on this, how is it connected with the russian-ukrainian war? well, i also have the same counter-question. why only now did a whole number of countries recognize the holodomor as genocide, eh, obviously these questions had to be answered which are now before us and i will explain why now we feel the most that what is happening is not only russia's war against ukraine, and arseniy petrovichtsenyuk spoke about it beautifully, it is actually a world

war of authoritarianism against democracy. it did not concern us and the world did not feel it, i want to refer once again to the brilliant speech of but dudaev, who spoke about the fact that when russia was destroying chechnya, it was conducting the first and second chechen wars, the world was silent when russia attacked georgia, the world was silent, with a small exception, ukraine spoke, poland spoke, and everything where all the other countries were the same thing happened when russia really occupied the two crimean regions . the government and many other representatives of the government and remember how it

happened. help us, many enslaved peoples in the world have hope that the values ​​of democracy and justice will still prevail among different peoples. i recently returned from taiwan. taiwan is also covered in these blue and yellow flags that symbolize the sky and wheat, as alla dudayeva said, because the taiwanese they look at us and for them it is the hope of preserving democracy in themselves they look at us, the proud fighters of the battalion who fight for a free ichkeria crimean tatars look at us, but when we look at the crimean tatars, we too should look when we look at taiwan we should also be because i'm sorry when ukrainian deputies are forbidden to go to taiwan just for a visit because they support us and continue

to flirt with china some representatives of our government not all of them obviously but there are some so how can we to demand the same from others when we talk about crimea, having a huge debt to the crimean tatars for not voting for the status of the crimean tatar people earlier, they did not vote for crimean tatar autonomy like us we can now talk about crimea, forgetting about the rights of the crimean tatars; moreover, it will be extremely difficult for us to liberate the crimea without protecting the rights of the crimean tatars, we will never explain this, you see in all these separate conversations about possible negotiations, they say, yes, donetsk luhansk, and crimea is painful place, but they do not mention the crimean tatars, this is a sore spot for our indigenous people, the crimean tatars, and our sore spot . since we are moving away from it, we, together with them, are

planning to move the whole world away from it, and then democracy will definitely win over all authoritarianism. so, mr. reef, how do you see the cooperation of ukraine with the enslaved peoples of the russian federation, the decision of the verkhovna rada to recognize the independence of the republic of ichkeria is the first and the last step will there be and should there be recognition of other independent states within the russian federation thank you very much for the opportunity to continue this very topic, i would like to say the following today, it does not surprise anyone when the whole world says that ukraine and ukrainians are taking not only themselves, but also the free world. even a year ago, many were ready to dispute this, especially those who

tried to put us at the negotiating table with putin. today, no one has any doubts that if , god forbid, i with those people admitted, i say ukraine should not lead, then this threat russian aggression will come to their homes, they all understand this and that is why it is one. one of the main factors is that the guilty are helping ukraine. now we come to the rights of the titular peoples of russia regarding their rights to their the free development and behavior of the world and ukraine , including what mr. mykola spoke about, the end of the russian-ukrainian war, the war is not only about ensuring the territorial integrity of the ukrainian state, it is not only about condemning and punishing

international criminals who committed crimes against ukraine on the territory of ukraine, it is not only reparations are the most important way to avoid the threat of a new repeated aggression by the russian state in the future, and therefore the question arises as to what will be the future of russia's existence. who will determine this humanity has already solved similar tasks, remember the stage of the end of the second world war under the damkut conference, now we do not evaluate the various aspects of this conference, but the main goal was to determine the future fate of germany so that it would become a democratic state, well, as much as understanding was invested in these terms at that time, now if you bear with me analogy, today there is

no need to artificially divide russia, there is no such need as was done with germany when it was divided for many decades into two countries the world, including ukraine, must create the conditions and provide an opportunity for the peoples of russia who live on their own lands, who in the absolute majority against their will were included in the structure of this russian, then soviet, and now russian federation, the world must give them the opportunity to realize my right to self-determination on my own land is personal. i want to conclude with this. i see that if russia continues, it does not matter under what conditions, circumstances, various international treaties, but its modern on these territorial borders, there will be another war

in 10-15-50 years, but it will again be a threat. therefore, russia, on these modern borders, as one of the results of the russian-ukrainian war, the war should not exist, and to solve this, it is necessary to give the opportunity to the local peoples to decide on their lands. thank you. ukraine should do to mykola in order to legitimize the governments, it is possible to give them the opportunity to create, i don't know, the official representation of ukraine, the embassy. well, just like it was there during the second world war. when the government was destroyed france found refuge in london and there was the government of free france, where the career of general de gaulle began, maybe we need to make sure that when these countries become independent, they always remember that they started. it was here that their governments

worked in ukraine at all, or is it very dangerous yes, i am. no, what a danger, russia is an aggressor, she attacked us, she kills us every day, kills our people, we have nothing to fear from her here, but you know what , look at the discussion we are having about good russians, so to speak, you see there are a lot of international conferences and where do these people come. and sometimes they say very correct and logical things. for example, i personally agree with many speeches, so garika sparov , uh, we don't have them, we don't see them because we say that there are no good russians, but here is a question in the fact that we understand russians, because if garik and a couple were next to him, as a rule, they are supported by either western funds or those people who want a change of power in russia, but everywhere we only hear the voice of the russians. do we hear the voice of good people there? people zichkeriy, do we hear the voice of good buryats there, do

we hear the voice of other good representatives of the indigenous peoples of russia, uh, well, kasparov is russian, i understand, but we say how he defines himself more than a beet, uh, and uh, he speaks from uh well, you are representing exactly this area, so what should we do, we should really make a platform here for representatives of all peoples who are now enslaved by the russian federation, it is obvious that there are people who fight against this occupation, there are people who support it, as we have collaborators people who are fighting for independence and there is a swamp that does not know where to move but among them there are many beautiful intellectual people and one famous ukrainian writer of buryat origin who works here and helps us a lot and worries about it and writes about it i many other people, we know these people, but with my colleague bessarabian, we held many round tables, invited them,

let's invite them to ukraine. national representative offices, cultural representative offices, governments in exile in any form in which they want, obviously we have to contribute to this, i will return to ivaniv again. although it is located on the territory of russia, let's open at least a trade representative office in ivaniv, which is in all european countries and in ukraine it is forbidden, we must show an example of democracy , an example of the struggle for our freedom and for the freedom of all enslaved peoples, and we must become the best example of such a struggle, and then this will guarantee us further support because no one will be able to turn away from us and we will be able, together with these peoples , to help them build their countries on their liberated native lands, what to do with the fact that

china is ukraine's largest trading partner? chinese people's republic, i will tell you that china is one of the largest trade partners of poland, and the group of friendship with taiwan is the third largest there among all the hands of friendship, because the opening of a representative office does not limit in any way the possibility of cooperation with china is so absolutely true, the european union is the largest trading partner, but i say once again that in all european countries, and even the occupiers of russia, there is such a representation . here we were afraid against russia , to expel the russian enterprise from there, then we are afraid to expel the russian church from there, we serve them, that is why we are afraid of democracy. to support them, as a result, they think that we can be easily conquered because we do not have our own will, and those who should support us do not help us, and then everything will be fine with us, it's nothing, it's only about programming, i'm talking

absolutely pragmatically, if all our allies are the largest that support us, they support the same taiwan, they support democracy in russia, they support other countries and support us, then we should act as our allies act, as the united states of america acts, as the european union acts, because we are now sitting with a collapsed economy, with a war, we need weapons from them, we need support, we want to be in nato and in let the european union act the way nato and the countries of the european union act, if we synchronize our policies with them, we will move away from double standards for ourselves, from reliable, cheap money from china or handouts from russia, well now, thank god, no one thinks about it, but they are still afraid the church to ban it will be an incentive to support us, because otherwise we will not survive without this support , so everything i say is as pragmatic as possible, mr. danyla lukivskyi, director of the kyiv security forum, i have more questions for you, please

of the words that were spoken today on this panel, first of all i want to note the brilliant, large-scale and strong speech of the lady and the president of the belarusian opposition coordination council, svitlana tsikhanouska, we see in this address the new political thinking of our belarusian friends and the duty of the ukrainian state to pay tribute to such friends as today there are tsikhanovskaya and other belarusian oppositionists who, together with our people, are fighting against the occupation, of course the word is impressive, but the word "dudayevy" is about the pain of the chechen people but we can find this pain in the awareness of many other enslaved peoples, and that is why it is very important that this panel demonstrates how large-scale is the space of protest against russian

occupation and russian imperialism. it is undeniable that the intellectual leader of the struggle against russian occupation is the people of the crimean tatars, our people , our people. our brothers, and therefore the participation of phata chubarov is very important for the kyiv security forum . thus, attesting to our, firstly, our kindred, our kinship, and secondly, this space joint struggle, because the restoration of justice in crimea is undoubtedly the restoration of justice in the entire eurasian space, and here i agree, of course, with our friend mykola knyazhynskyi that ukrainian foreign policy. the main one i would say is a pragmatic tool, our belief in values ​​is a synonym

of our great historical pragmatism, if we do not act in accordance with the values ​​and principles of international relations, no one will be able to guarantee our security, our sovereignty and our borders , there is no doubt that many questions arise regarding certain elements of the international agenda, there is no doubt that ukraine should support such valuable resolutions as are being heard today in the human rights council in support of the uyghurs in support of other peoples who are oppressed by repression or exceptional violence i know that we need to support a policy that reflects the one-china policy just as the united states does, but on the other hand, it is certain that we we have to develop dialogues in an organized way that demonstrates that ukraine is on its historical side today, this is what

this panel is dedicated to and this and one more thing that is very important that was heard today from the beginning of our forum and today is the refrain of what our refat chubarov says the goal is victory over russia, which in its current form has no right to exist due to the fact that this is an exceptional challenge not just in ukraine, but in this humanity, thank you, thank you, mr. danyla valeriy the baker, please hand over the microphone for a question hello, the question is, today, the ukrainian state is sending such mixed signals to the three main groups, which today oppose the putin regime in different forms, the russian liberals in quotation marks, the russian radicals and the national liberation movement of the oppressed peoples . the state cannot support three different

parties that are opposed to each other and are incompatible in their views and values ​​with each other and thereby actually not orienting them, isn't it time to to the ukrainian state in the person of these or other authorized bodies, determine the position of the ukrainian state and how it could be done, thank you, the photo number is worth answering the question. isn't it time for the ukrainian state to finally determine its position , and how it can be done ? makes a bet with whom we should communicate in russia, whether with liberals who believe that it is possible, as a result of democratic elections, to come to power in russia or with radicals who believe that a rifle gives rise to power as mao zedong said, or with national liberation movements, these three groups

are incompatible with each other in terms of views and values, but the ukrainian state is now sending signals of support to all of them, which disorients and confuses them, thank you, it is clear that after i have already said here that i have to be consistent and i am like that , here in this matter i would continue what mr. mykola said, i would find new forms of support for the enslaved peoples of russia, because no matter what anyone thinks about the fate of russia, be russian liberals or the radicals, if they decide the fate of russia without the direct participation of the enslaved peoples of russia, they will come to a dead end again, and that's why we said it, i spoke

in absentia at that congress that they called the people 's congress ilya ponomarev and others seem to be the deputies of russia. the amorphous russian people there are peoples who live on their lands eh, you know, there is always a question here, who do we mean by liberals, a liberal is from the word freedom, the one who is ready to give freedom to ukraine, the crimean tatars, their own enslaved people, this liberal and the one who opposes putin but he says that crimea is not a sandwich, but the crimean tatars and that’s how you live, so what kind of liberal is he, in principle, the same nationalistically chauvinistic imperial russian

forces that simply don’t like their power, so when we talk about public support, it’s obviously public we must support everyone, regardless of their origin, whether they are representatives of minorities or whether they are russians, who share the values ​​and freedom and democracy for countries and freedom and democracy for peoples, including the right of self-determination of peoples, of all these people. whoever they are, obviously, we must support no matter what origin they were, too, thank you for having a question, she said, if so, raise your hand, please, in blue petro is crazy, please, i’m looking at you, at arsen borisovych, i say today, we’ll all be borisovych himself i'm just learning shock petrovych such a radical conversation please tell me directly and frankly whether and now it's time for the ukrainian state to recognize uh and start a struggle for the rights of the kulil islands

to belong to japan for the rights of kineksberg to turn to the native german harbor for the right of karelia to snatch the royal islands have already voted in parliament, so you are even a little late with the question, i will tell you sincerely and as for everything else, definitely we must talk about supremacy and compliance of international law, including in the historical perspective, if the annexation of certain territories does not raise objections, for example, the russians all the time tell that a referendum on annexation to poland is being prepared in western ukraine, and poland says that we do not want to annex western ukraine, although many poles lived there, 800 thousand, among other things exactly as many ukrainians were deported from ukrainian lands that are now on the polish side, and

we cannot share here, but both we and the poles agree with this because it corresponds to modern norms international law but if it goes against the norm of international law like the situation with the kurils so we have to talk about it you know here i can only confirm in such a position but i would like you to know what i should say about using er this question er it is mine these are the thoughts, but here i have to decide more, er, statesmen, and first of all, it is possible that ukraine should be more proactive in advocating for the forms or mechanisms for the registration of the results of the russian-ukrainian war, you understand. i think a lot. well, i think about how it should happen

then there was no possibility for revenge, because the world is so soon that it will not be decided, it will not be established , there will be turbulence and no matter what decisions are made, for me, the end of the war can not be. it will not be enough , it can be violated at any moment, it must be. well, it is possible that this is the form of the international conference, which has written very clear mechanisms of guarantees , but guarantees due to punishment, reparation - this is not just, you know, compensation for your losses reparation is impossible, nothing would happen again, aggression would arise, and so every step should be