the war is very difficult to win in the information war, but ukraine is doing quite well on this front so far, president zelenskyi is a great speaker, a great communicator, he really energizes and inspires the international community to support ukraine, visits to kyiv by key leaders of the countries of the world this is a very skillful step and should be made even more dynamic meet people communicate with them they need to see your heroic spirit show that you are fighting for all of us and for the future of the global security system and the more people will be about it to know and see this with my own eyes, the more pressure there will be on putin, the symbolic strikes on

moscow and other military objects such as the kerch bridge. did ukraine do it or not? and other steps, regardless of whether did ukraine take responsibility for this or not, but they show that ukraine really has the strength, endurance and determination to resist. i never underestimated the effectiveness of these strikes and i want to emphasize this now. of course, we know that the situation on battlefield is critical on in the first stage of the war, we saw the brilliant defense of kiev, then the battles on that basa and the excellent operation on the rooster in the night east and in the kherson region, and we understand that the main

principles are to keep the initiative and push and rely on for those strikes that are based on intelligence data, we in the united states know how it is connected and we see that you can learn from our experience, but you can develop it, your initiative, your experience, your skills and your ability to fight, all this you carry on and on and that and it is the key to maintain the pressure to support the initiative at the same time to carry out all the work to protect the economy and our forces, we know where the next threats are, be it melitopol , crimea, and whether russia wants to move further in donetsk or

luhansk, you will be able to resist and we don't know where the next strike will be. and it depends on how your operational plans develop, but we know that the initiative is yours and you can achieve your goals and you need to use the industrial base. i know that i was recently in kyiv and of course i know what happened before war now, but i know how well trained your workforce is and since 2002, since world war ii. we have seen the development of the industrial and agricultural sectors of ukraine, and we hope that you will continue to build your country. you will fight in electronic

warfare for to defeat the enemy and for this you have technology and skills and knowledge and we in the west will support you by all possible means because you are fighting for all of us the legal aspects of this war i also very important and president zelenskyi and your diplomats constantly talk about this and they don't let us forget about it and what russia is doing is absolutely illegal , it started a war and putin must be brought to justice and you must continue to insist on reporting this the leaders are afraid of the west , so that they understand that in the future there will be no putin in a peaceful europe, no aggressive and repressive regimes such as russia's at present, this is a serious problem - it is a serious challenge, but you have

to answer it, and we have already gone through all these difficulties in 2000 in 1998, and you must provide guarantees that you will build your future with the new russia, which will remain your neighbor, and i, of course, support our government, which should provide you with assistance, but the future for you, with your knowledge, with your skills, i am sure that you will find it useful, i know that you will determine the course of the world for all of us, with your determination in your fight for freedom, i

wish you all the best, thank you, thank you, general oslyark, and now the floor is passed our to the distinguished guest general david petres the director of the united states cia in xi-xii and also the commander of the non-central command of the united states in the years 2008-10 generals thank you very much i also consider it a great privilege for me to be able to address you at this conference and i am very happy that i am on the same panel with general k. clark and i can only agree with his admiration for ukrainians and civil and military all citizens of ukraine and all ukrainians mobilized the whole of ukraine. results than russia - it is so impressive that now the army is much larger and more powerful than in

russia, which is three times larger than ukraine and exports huge deposits of oil and minerals and i think that what is happening is not the back of the hand cannot do anything about it, and putin and his government cannot provide well-trained, trained soldiers who could oppose the ukrainian army. ukraine now has a strategic initiative. accordingly, it leads, and russia only has to respond to the initiative of ukraine. of course, this war does not

depend soon. the moment of the combination of what is happening on the battlefield and economic and financial sanctions and export controls will convince the majority in russia that this war cannot be continued and that russia will have to withdraw from its troops and withdraw from the war, which has now lost more people in nine months than in 10 years of the war in afghanistan, and the western partners, including the united states, will continue to cooperate with ukraine in order to the russians have left the territory of ukraine and only then will it be possible to ease the sanctions against russia for

ukraine, the marshall plan will be applied, which will allow to restore the economy and provide security guarantees , which will be a critically important factor in a successful financial, economic and cultural reconstruction of ukraine, we, together with our nato allies and other civilized countries, recognize that this brutal war cannot continue and russia can not endure it . year, many military analysts in the west said that ukraine would not hold out for more than 72 hours, and the ukrainian army would be captured and

destroyed by russian forces. and now the ukrainian armed forces were even able to liberate those territories captured by russia in the first weeks of the invasion, especially in the kherson region. we have been part of this offensive since may. my unit, my brothers, are fighting in the kherson region at the moment. do you think that the de-occupation of the southern territories of kherson region and the crimea will be difficult and as long as, say, the first part of the kherson region. what needs to be done in order for this offensive of the ukrainian army to take place in the

next weeks or a month, and thank you very much for the question i will answer briefly. i think that there are certain factors for this. first of all, we know what were the assessments of the russian power in the intelligence of western countries before the war, and that is why they believed that russia believed that it could at the very beginning with to take over ukraine and they thought that they would be welcomed in certain regions of ukraine - this all did not come true and they now understand that there are protests in their own and civil society and now the situation has changed for nine months of struggle and we see that now the soil will be

freeze and it will be much more difficult to fight and now the russians are building defensive structures and trenches and are preparing for defense and not for attack and i do not think that it will be easier for them to fight there in the coming weeks or months a lot will depend on will to the struggle of ukrainians and military support but you have this push, this initiative, which the russians lack, if they keep this initiative, then good opportunities, good opportunities may appear. and what else i would like to say is that of course, we will continue to help you in the preparation your military e the provision of both lethal and non-lethal weapons, ammunition and

military equipment, and also winter equipment , generators for the military and for civilians, and we will continue to support you with such help, and during the madrid e-e summit, the elites agreed on such assistance and in bucharest, the foreign ministers of affairs have once again confirmed this determination, thank you. now i would like to give the floor to the former ambassador of ukraine to the united states, mr. valery cholom, he will ask a question . as far as i understand, i would like to ask general clark for the microphone.

see i remember how you came to kyiv in 2014 when mr. yatsenyuk was the prime minister and i remember the first days when you showed all this support and gave us advice and recommendations and they helped us tremendously then now we are at another stage of this invasion of a large-scale war, and i would like to ask you this question, we in ukraine discuss a lot what our victory means for us, for ukrainians, considering that our common goal is not to give russia a chance to win if the u.s. saw our joint victory in your opinion, i am very glad to see you, mr. chalyi , we really understand what a victory is for ukraine,

when ukraine will get back its own, general petres said, this is also the reconstruction of ukraine , and of course it is necessary to review certain provisions of international law and demand from russia the russian regime, and especially putin, who caused this war, first of all, to be held accountable , we must move with a broad front. but the main thing here is that russia must withdraw from the entire ukrainian territory, from the east, from donbas, from crimea. and we see that er now there are certain er signals russia is no longer making nuclear threats and cannot attack because they do not have the power to do so but they are resorting to shelling of civilian infrastructure and we must

take advantage of the moment er now so that in the spring they do not let's say we left crimea or belarus, but they want a pause now, they want a cease-fire, and we need to remember that maintaining the initiative of this push, which the ukrainian army now has, must be maintained. and only then will we be successful, and for the rest of the world, the aggressor hmm it is necessary to push out of the territory of ukraine, the whole world is united in this, and the most important aspect of all this is that ukraine achieves its territorial integrity, full sovereignty, this is the main principle of collective security, which is not

necessary and which was created after the second world war and which is currently called into question, as maryana bodzharina said, because of these nuclear threats . therefore, now the courage and determination of ukrainians in their struggle for these principles deserves all kinds of respect, and i know that we are all in this we agree. and now that we will have a new congress, i talk a lot with the new contestants, and they all express their determination to support ukraine. because they are inspired by the determination of ukrainians, they are inspired by the determination of

ukrainians . thank you very much. tolera interrupted my question, you want to hear from you his view on the proposal that white and home appear, that he does not want any more escalation with russia and what other escalation are we talking about, because this is already the maximum escalation, which is developing, and there is also the question of trying not to involve nato in this conflict, while russian propaganda convinces its population that russia is in fact at war with nato, what can nato lose in the eyes of the russians if the russians already believe that they are at war with nato, thank you for this question first of all, i want to say in advance that i was

one of several observers who, before the russian invasion, publicly said that russia would not capture kyiv, and to be honest, this was based on my visits to ukraine during many times and i was impressed by the professional development of the ukrainian armed forces, which i visited in donbas on the front line and also met with leaders in kyiv, kharkiv and so on . that there is no conflict that

would be more vividly confirmed by this war of the ukrainian armed forces. how they act and here you can be in awe of their girlfriend 's suggestion that the white house does not want escalation. i would say that it is not unreasonable that it is not illogical for nato members that they do not want the war to spread on the territory of nato, and of course they do not want it to spread to the use of nuclear weapons, which maryana spoke about. i think that the white house and other world leaders in including the president of russia, must be convinced or they managed to convince that the use of even tactical nuclear weapons on the battlefield can only make the situation worse as a result of

its use than it was before its use . so, ultimately, the essence of deterrence and persuasion that's what it's like and it seems to have worked at least now i think maybe from time to time maybe they 'll have to remind one who of us said publicly jack sullivan said that it could have catastrophic consequences if for russia if it were to use nuclear weapons and i think it's very important convince russia not to cross the nuclear threshold and even more so not to expand the war, in fact , because all wars after the second world war did not have certain limits, certain restrictions and this war i think it makes sense that washington, london, brussels, others the countries of berlin and paris again tried to contain the war

, bearing in mind that you can have different views on the territory on which this war is contained, but i would like to say that this is a reasonable enough answer to what washington in particular thinks about preventing the use of nuclear weapons weapons and the transformation of this war into a wider one, because in fact, to a large extent, this is a proxy war between the rest. maybe, but, to be honest, i think that this war is what it is. thank you, general petrovich answered this question now, the question is from question, minister of ecology, national resources,

ostap semerak, my question is to marina bodjera, maryana. thank you for your thoughts on nuclear safety. i would like to say that in 1986, the disaster in chernobyl at the nuclear power plant was large-scale , and now we know that the cause of this disaster was level b mainly not without ensuring safety from the management at this station, for which moscow was responsible moscow was responsible for the management of this station now the question is about the future of nuclear energy in ukraine and not only in ukraine we remember that in belarus there is also a

nuclear power plant under construction by russia and if something happens , the consequences and impact will be very high. what can be done regarding security in this sector? and what can be done to avoid new threats and new disasters in the region, not only in ukraine. we all think about zaporizhzhia every day, but the question does not concern only zaporizhzhia. thank you very much. let's do more . ostapa's question. you are absolutely right that russia's nuclear games are not limited by the threat of using nuclear weapons, but they are played dangerously and zaporizhia and over there at the a station, now the ukrainian electric power grid is under attack and other ukrainian

nuclear power plants are losing their power supply, and this is also dangerous for nuclear power plants, such and such rocket attacks, such days, stages, they create a threat because they do not succeed in time to restore the energy supply, there is a risk of further development. there is no need to indicate that an atomic or nuclear, some kind of nuclear disaster somewhere is a nuclear disaster everywhere, not only chernobyl, but also other possible cases remember in the world i think that now we are in an unprecedented situation, a nuclear reactor is in a war zone, there is no security, security is not ensured, and it is a miracle, it is a miracle that

during nine months we managed to avoid a serious nuclear disaster accident, and a large part of this from these are the results of the dedicated work of the zaporizhia nuclear power plant personnel who are actually trapped in difficult psychological and physical conditions under the pressure of the russian occupiers, but since this is unprecedented, we saw that the international institutions, international organizations, and which are supposed to take care of atomic energy, they are inadequate, and because these accusations of these institutions, which we talked about earlier, indicate that they have a very limited set of tools

for preventing accidents of this type, we know that they have active mr. grossi's general director is extremely active in this situation, but there is no security and protection zone of the security zone and i can't see how it can be done under the conditions of russian occupation and in the end we are left with hopes and hopes a major accident will not happen. as you said, the world looks at atomic energy as one of the elements of influence on kinetic changes, because it is energy for carbon dioxide emissions, but the russians simply stole the theft of this beauty, this is the biggest theft in the world. by the way, at the international level, i think we are

we turned out to be powerless and it depends only on the ukrainian armed forces and the personnel of ukrainian zaporizhzhia that it is possible to return this power plant back without creating a particularly dangerous situation , thank you very much maryana bodryn and the last question from arseniy yatsenyuk, if i may. let me begin by thanking the nato member states of the united states, in particular for the support of the ukrainian people and our struggle against russian aggression. my first question is to the assistant of the general secretariat of dreams. we highly

appreciate your cuckoos. that in the near future the ukraine nato commission should start work on the greeting of hungary, do you believe that it can be done and the second question to the honorable generals john john clark janal petraeus and that you say, what should be the end of this game according to putin's book, what is he doing, he has his general staff, his developments, he has begun to adapt to this war, he has something in his head, what do you think, what can be your guess , what steps can putin take in the future and my last question to maria i don't you could you tell me will putin use nuclear weapons or not i think i will be the first to answer i think

that as i said the north atlantic council often supports and the military supports permanent contacts from your country are here and there, and there is no doubt that there are constant visits, exchanges, both public and private, what can i say about the restoration of us at the next meeting of the ukrainian nato commission? yes, i think it is foreseen at all subsequent meetings of the comic antique council. i know that they are scheduled. but i think that all the meetings we hold are very fruitful and very active. and as for the next steps, i think that ukraine should preserve this military moment of military impetus