thank god that people are not so stupid both in china and the united states so as not to fail to understand this not so subtle even i, if i am not a political expert, if it is not canceled immediately, it is clear, then people there are smarter than me, it is shorter to understand people thank you, sir oleksii this was oleksii hetman, a military analyst, a veteran of the russian-ukrainian war, friends, we work live, next, the broadcast of the espresso tv channel continues, i want to encourage you to subscribe to our social networks, see our news on on the espresso tv website, we work for you 24 hours a day, seven days a week. i wish everyone a good evening and a peaceful weekend. goodbye. greetings are freedom. lime. my name is vlasta lazur. we are starting the broadcast. us president joe biden appealed to

congress to approve additional aid to ukraine in the amount of 37 billion dollars, us deputy secretary of state victoria nolan announced this today in a video message during the kyiv security forum, within the framework of the forum, ukrainian and international politicians today discuss issues of the national energy security of ukraine, the discussions are monitored by sofia sereda, she joins our broadcast sofia. my greetings . please tell me what was discussed at the forum today. in fact, this year's kyiv security forum is taking place under the slogan "everything for the sake of victory and the main topics for discussion were three first." this is russia's punishment for the crimes it committed during the war against ukraine . international economic and military aid to ukraine during this war, and in particular the polish

politician donald tusklin emphasized that, for example, poland will be ready to support ukraine during this war until the complete victory over russia, and this support will not be affected in any way by the elections that are soon to be held to take place in poland, many today compared russia with nazi germany, and president vladimir putin himself with adolf hitler, for example, alla dudayeva is the wife of the first president of the chechen republic ichkeria dzhokhara dudayeva said that today russia needs to be treated by the whole world, as it was once done with nazi germany, and the secretary of the nsdc oleksiy danilov said that vladimir putin and adolf hitler, in his opinion, are siamese twins, he also added that ukraine will not be ready to make any concessions and no compromises with russia, and on the sidelines of today's forum, we had the opportunity to ask him several additional questions, and now i propose to listen to the answers we received regarding lavrov's statement. he said that russia is shelling critical infrastructure because thanks to

this infrastructure, ukraine is killing russians. how can you react to this and how quickly will he answer to the international tribunal for these words to yours? after our victory, they will answer there. what two days are there from the family well then what well listen sick people understand you correctly that you expect that the international tribunal will not work until the victory because you say that after the victory now to say because everyone has own victory and regarding the banning of the uoc-mp, people 's deputies registered a bill on this matter. do you think it is necessary to ban this church at the legislative level? i was a people 's deputy, now he is no longer a people's deputy. you can call him, you are asking the question as the secretary of the national security and defense council, i am simply asking, is there such an initiative , how do you say, and the institution that will er have the purpose

of destroying our statehood. it should be banned, or does the institution you refer to you say to this guy, it needs to be found out and the deputies have all the powers to do it, mr. bogdanovka's last questions are about 2023 , by the summer, ukraine will already get to crimea, do you agree with this, dear person, i would like it to be much earlier we can meet in crimea, i would like a separate topic of today's discussion to be energy security, for example, the former head of naftogaz andriy kobolev noted that ukraine should prepare for the fact that russia will inflict some blows and destruction on the gas transportation system of ukraine well, as for the energy situation, the head of the dtek, maksym tymchenko, said that despite all the efforts of russia , in his opinion, it will not be possible to achieve a complete blockade in ukraine, and by the way, today they talked not only about the participation of russia, but also about the participation of belarus in the war against ukraine for example, the leader

of the belarusian opposition svitlana tikhanovskaya said that in her opinion the lukashenko regime is just as involved in this war as the regime of russian president vladimir putin, at the same time she added that according to her information, 86% of belarusians do not support the participation of the belarusian army in the war against ukraine, unfortunately, neither svitlana tikhanovskaya nor other international representatives who spoke today at this forum could communicate separately because their speeches were in online format, but literally the discussion with the participation of foreign ambassadors should last for a few minutes, and maybe we will be able to see them after this discussion and ask them, because it is expected that they will be physically present here . at the moment, it is all your own word, thank you very much sofiya sereda worked at the beskovo forum in kyiv today. well, i will remind you. well, i will remind you.

if you watch us on the internet, subscribe to the pages of radio svoboda on facebook or youtube, like the more your reactions, the more people will know about us. in this way, support any laska independent journalism well, further on in the program, employees about the kremlin media thought about the gag, while france began work on creating a special tribunal to investigate russia's actions in ukraine, who else is ready to join the creation of such a tribunal and who is not ready to talk, the russian military during the retreat retreat from the kherson region took ukrainian prisoners to russian colonies , we are talking about thousands of people, what does the ukrainian side know about their fate and how to bring these people back home, we will also talk. russian troops continue to focus on the bakhmut direction, but even the occupation of bakhmut will not bring the kremlin strategic victories, say analysts, we will talk about this further, the situation around bakhmut indicates on the fact that the russian troops did not learn lessons from

previous battles with heavy losses and the probable gaining of control over the city will not bring operational advantages to russia. this was reported by the american institute for the study of war. the day before, i will remind you. taras zoftenko, an expert on national security problems, joins the broadcast. good evening , i understand by phone, there are problems with video communication. let's start with bachmouth, why not with yours point of view, why is russia throwing all its forces to capture bakhmut? is this some kind of strategic goal? is this an exclusively political story, rather than additionally politics, even a political propaganda story? the fact is that, ah, for today, the russians , taking into account their not very good position in the southern direction, are losing kherson, and the fact that they are forced to go on the

defensive in principle requires from the military leadership, first of all, any illusion of any possible actions in the information space of the russian federation in this propaganda narrative should be interpreted as, if not a victory, then at least as something that well, everything is going according to plan and goals, there will be excuses, that’s it, to support such a narrative, the russians are actually using now several of the most problematic for ukrainian defenders of the eastern directions parts of the neighboring section of the front and the bakhmut direction , in fact, one of them is where the russians manage to concentrate as much as possible the firepower and manpower that they have available here it should also be mentioned that during the retreat from the right bank , in the kherson direction, they were able to withdraw part of the remnants, so to speak, of their professional and more or less combat-capable army that

entered the territory of ukraine at the very beginning of the russian invasion on february 24 and precisely in the kherson direction, these were airborne units that, uh, well, they can show themselves best in offensive assault operations, we actually uh, taking into account the fact that the russians were able to withdraw them, well, in such a more or less uh, acceptable in the state of these parts, compensate them for a long time with music, er, make a little reconciliation and transfer to the eastern direction, the russians are now, as they say, catching moments . thus, in this information and propaganda space , there is probably compensation for the fact that they had to retreat in the southern direction , and secondly, for today, there are no offensive

the operations of the russian army in the southern direction, in principle, cannot be done after the situation is such that, god willing, if they could hold the positions they are currently occupying, we are accordingly in order to reduce the internal pressure on the russian military and political leadership in this situation , any opportunity is used in the eastern direction to carry out offensive operations even if on the part of the russians even if these are offensive operations, they do not have any operational or tactical sense anyway from the point of view of such a propaganda policy, all this will continue so that, in the end, russian propagandists will have something to brag about at least some clear successes in front of their audience. efficiency is not as high as could be expected, for example at the beginning of the war and i have a question for you because

of these attacks because of these attacks how do we know and what was the kremlin hoping for people in ukraine do not go to protests were exactly what the kremlin expected, and at the same time, military experts say that attacks on critical infrastructure do not affect the position of the ukrainian military at the front, and it does not affect the front. the first point is that he has such a more general worldview, and the russians evaluate everyone , including us, measuring us by ourselves, and it is obvious that some such action is directed against the russian civil critical infrastructure. she can cause the russian population to become ordinary, so to speak, and that's exactly the kind of reaction. well, let's see what's happening now in the belgorod region. yes , there, too, this cotton is always there. well, that's the first

reaction of the people. they just run away from there. eh, well, if this eh reflexively this is the phrase mamulichka should be knocked out of here yes that we heard in the crimea eh, this is, relatively speaking, this is the first eh, this is the first reflexive reaction of russian society to some such moments we understood that further it can to cause a certain negativity in the first place, there is a local russian government, so this is the first point, which to some extent explains this russian logic. in fact, this russian aggression, yes, this war, which, this phase of the hotline that they started on february 24, 2022, it is, although it is a full-scale conventional war, but nevertheless it is part of a wider petty aggression, real registration russia russia

i stopped hearing you, apparently the connection is very bad, everyone is united not so much in order to achieve victory directly on the battlefield, er, but in order to create, again, this political and propaganda background and actually, er, well, if we evaluate the actions of the russian army well, in fact, there are a lot of things that are clear, because a lot of what the russian army does is not aimed at achieving an unequivocal victory and advantage on the battlefield in, so to speak, physical space, but rather at to create this media and propaganda

picture of victory well, actually, these missile strikes on critical infrastructure are against the russian element of victory of the russian regime, well, at least at the national stage, yes, that is, the russian leadership constantly tells us that now, well, it’s not even necessary to use tactical nuclear weapons against ukraine. of course, with commercial weapons, we can destroy critical infrastructure and drive into ukraine. the visibility of victory in the russian information space is difficult to create because well, we will talk about it further, but even there, the employees of the kremlin media already have doubts, and isn’t gaga waiting for them? we will talk about it a little later. one more question from anthony blinken in a cnn comment, he said that nato is considering options to invest in the soviet-era weapons system in the

weapons system used by the ukrainian army. and i'm here too. i want to add that a few days ago in new york times also reported that the green nato countries are discussing the possibility of investing in old factories in the czech republic, slovakia, bulgaria in order to resume the production of e-e shells for ukrainian soviet-style artillery systems. does this mean that they still expect that the war will last a very long time ? other music is considered, this big one is that in fact, well, we use equally intensively more modern weapons of western growth, which are supplied to us by our western allies, and equally so we still have the systems of the former soviet production, so to speak, which are actually the ones we are talking about right now and, well, in this case, the

load. back. well, in this case, he supplies us with ammunition and logistics. and in general , both the system of its own production and the system of the former soviet production provide functionality, taking into account the fact that, well, modern western weapons are well, they are much more complex and it is a little more difficult in this mode to serve in the mode of such maximally intensive gods, uh, a little easier, easier is the situation with the maintenance and provision of weapons of the former soviet model , which is technologically simpler. well, accordingly, there is a certain resource potential not only in nato countries, there on the eastern flank, for example . ukraine also has certain industrial capacities that we can also use and thus help our western partners to provide them with shells and

maintenance, precisely this weapon of the soviet model, therefore, in principle, it is absolutely logical that while this resource is available to us and while this weapon of the former soviet union can be useful for ukrainian defenders on the battlefield, first of all, of course, it is necessary to use this resource precisely because, well, the cycle of, for example, the maintenance of the soviet weapons, it is significantly shorter in terms of time, for example, and in terms of the resources that are needed than, for example, the maintenance of complex artillery systems of western production, therefore a-a well, yes, therefore, this is a rather initial initial step at this stage, thank you very much for your comment. taras zoftenko, an expert on national security issues, was on radio svoboda. thank you. ukraine received 30 cheetah anti-aircraft guns from germany. the armed

forces of ukraine mostly use the drug to shoot down russian cruise missiles. cheetah and the experience of training in germany, see ukraine received about 30 cheetah anti-aircraft guns from germany, primarily they are intended for covering ground troops on the battlefield at an altitude of up to 3 km and a range of 4 km, but in ukraine these anti-aircraft tanks also perform other combat tasks, shooting down

russian cruise missiles and kamikaze drones. object regardless of whether it's a drone or whether it's aviation uh, we're advancing quickly, very quickly, we're pulling into position, well, for him, for this technique, this is what is characteristic of the area, where there are no trees, there are no dents, because the radar that works he uh well, in general, he creates noticeable and in this way we scan the area in which we are assimilated cheetahs ukrainian military in germany say in peacetime the bundeswehr prepared the crew for a year and a half ukrainians were trained in less than two months first the theory then the training ground well something that on the

computer the essence of the computerized completeness of the equipment is that it is completely computerized equipment and you just have to get used to how the tower shakes, how the equipment works, how it is introduced into all these nuances, because if it is a little wrong to bring the sequence to full combat during production or during shooting, then it may be buggy and you will have to restart it, it is a waste of time. well, it is a waste of time, just like getting into a car for the first time, well, at first it was difficult, but then it is remembered and easy, that is, for us it was shown first the instructor climbed up and showed what it meant then we sat down he was behind us the instructor with the carrier and he explained it all then after sunday we sat down and started eating the

cheetah radar sees a target at a distance of up to 16 km the radius of its damage is relatively small but in this war german anti-aircraft tanks have become an ideal weapon against iranian mine drones 131 and 136 to the cheetahs there is a certain lack of ammunition because they are produced by switzerland and does not give permission for re-export to ukraine, a lot of cartridges are not needed, especially for shahed drones, each barrel has three cartridges, and that’s all it fell to us. on the coast of the black sea in odessa, what is the impression, how can it be, this is a technique created purely for drones, what is happening in izyum, kharkiv

region, until the city was occupied by the russian army, the journalists of the scheme program continue to tell stories from the de-occupied kharkiv region. my colleagues talked to local residents , volunteers who collected local bodies the dead and buried them in the raisin forest, among the buried both soldiers of the armed forces of ukraine and civilians , some of the bodies showed traces of torture who is involved in these mass murders tortures and shootings look peace everything he is not there they shot at the cars that were still driving they just fired at her in a bag i buried her i put a cross and arms and legs pain limbs are cut off why did i start training there

in the first place my classmates were there a friend and her entire family with children, all of this area, i was not connected in any way at all, i was engaged in accessories for mobile phones and never in my life could i have thought that i would be engaged in such a business, here is this bridge a hundred meters from the one that was destroyed by russian aerial bombs the house near which the resident of the raisin pavlo golub together with other volunteers gathered every morning during the occupation, the relatives of the dead citizens came there, told where exactly the bodies were lying and asked to remove and bury the floors from there, and all the people who were there thought that they were safe in a bomb shelter masses of bricks and slabs, they were simply presented by their classmate elena stolpakov and her large family with children. pavlo was one of the last to get them. i laid her bag, i buried her

and placed a cross. ещёл тоже на его крест i и-ы на гогили я детей also , but then it turned into daily efforts, the need for such help and other places so that they could be decently buried was obvious, citizens, children, adults , old people who were buried simply in the yards of oslagyt gardens, who were buried chaotically along the roads in the central streets 15 volunteers 4 nights every day under constant shelling the boys brought here to the raisin forest dozens of bodies of the dead one man we found in the yard he had uh he had no limbs arms and legs the limbs were cut off by the military servicemen of the

russian federation, they reported that there was a dryer in the second school in the area of ​​the sand. after that, we came and took a serviceman of our armed forces of ukraine and brought him. they buried him under number 187. i recorded and photographed it on my phone and recorded it. in the journal, so that later it would be possible when everything was over, all the people knew that our defender of our country was buried here . buried, i don't think that 25 pits were dug up in the friend's cemetery. nobody expected that there would be a war, they thought that everything was peaceful. no, the employees of the

local funeral service carefully recorded the names and ages of the deceased, if they had any documents with them, or if the body could be identified by clothes or other signs indicated the date of death of all the dead; it was important to preserve all possible information about them; they hid loved ones and strangers, and now already in the de-occupied izyum they are trying to restore life without knowing when who will answer for the commission of crimes in only one place in the kharkiv region, how volunteers en masse buried civilians and who exactly from the russian military was responsible for these murders , watch the full version of this investigation on the youtube

channel of radio freedom in the polish city of lodz , the very traditions of the osce ministers have begun by the way, the council the osce ministerial meeting was held for the first time without a representative of russia. poland refused to issue visas to the head of the russian foreign ministry serhiy lavrov and members of the russian delegation. zoryana stepanenko is being monitored. she is contacting us to zoryan, her greetings. we see you . please tell me what was about. have a good day. well, you know, i am not exaggerating when i say that the osce is currently meeting under exceptional circumstances, because you remember in this composition well , at least last year, people gathered and wondered whether the threat of a full-scale war in the center of europe was real, well, since russian troops were already standing near the ukrainian borders at that time, it worried the entire international community, and sergey lavrov

which this company does not have today, he argued that russia is not going to attack ukraine. well, now in the polish vineyard, in the restored buildings of the former power plant , the security organization is thinking about how to restore peace on the european continent. the challenges are the most global in recent decades , said the head of polish diplomacy, opening the actual summit and the time of trials said to the international community that to pass them, he believes that ukraine should be helped to survive, the russian plan was to return to the war and when the blitz crumbles the aggression worked, it became more and more brutal, tragically, but it inevitably leads to the commission of war crimes. it is our legal and moral duty to bring to justice both the executors and those who made decisions on the initiative of poland, which this year is the head of the osce. russia

is here represented by its ambassador instead of a minister . organization, he just literally spoke, accused the organization of undermining the osce, criticized nato, the united states, well, in fact, everything that we have heard many times from the russian side. well, sergei lavrov was indeed denied a visa because he was on the black station list of the european union from february 2022. they explained their decision in warsaw and moscow saw political motives in this . well, today lavrov sat at a completely different table in moscow at a press conference and called the osce a marginal organization. quote and presented a fresh version that russia is bombing ukrainian infrastructure with a high-precision weapon strike and energy facilities on which the delivery of a huge amount depends the west is arming ukraine so that it kills russians already from the laurel, in response to

this they reminded about the international tribunal and the necessity that will arise to answer for war crimes and how to hold russia to this responsibility, the head of european diplomacy here presented to his colleagues the plan of the european commission, which supports the creation to the special tribunal that will be able to judge russia precisely for the crime of aggression in the kremlin , they have already reacted and said that they will not consider it legitimate, well, rel continued and said that russia must also pay for the restoration of ukraine, and for this the event will study the legal possibilities of using frozen russian assets. ukraine insists on increased isolation of russia and that it has no place in the osce. russia is blocking all decisions, so colleagues must decide whether to play a beautifully balanced diplomacy or save the organization throwing away