and no, now i still want to touch on the issue of the actual attack from belarus. perhaps you know. well, we have been mulling over this topic for a very long time, and it seems to me that well, i certainly cannot predict all the options and what may happen in the heads of inadequate officials there . or politicians, i mean whether russian or belarusian. but it seems to me that such aggression on the part of belarus itself would be an act of suicide for both russia and belarus because, in principle, from a military point of view, i think that the chances of getting any gains, and in terms of political image, it will be an unequivocal loss because it will potentially lead to the fall of the lukashenko regime, it will lead to the fact that russia itself will lose its most or only real ally, it will lead to the fact that russia will once again step on the same rake because we remember that it had already advanced once from the north. as

it turned out, it was not able to support and actively conduct operations on such a wide area, and the last thing that i would like to touch on is exactly what you vitaly talked about in relation to the statements on polish officials about the fact that poland could potentially be involved in a war in this case, if you read the strong word, then it was more likely not that poland is now ready somewhere there to enter a war on the side of ukraine, or something else. about the fact that this war, which is now between ukraine and russia, is of a geopolitical nature and, in principle, it is, in fact, an unofficial third world war, where colossal efforts are involved on the part of two conditional camps , that is, the democratic camp and the camp there non-democratic authoritarian, this war is actually going on right now, and its results will determine whether it is actually geo-deployed or not. it can be said that

it will completely change the political and world map for the entire 21st century, and that is why it was actually said somewhere rather that there is a significant threat of what is possible certain let's say such a large-scale escalation of the conflict and as a result nato countries will be drawn in, other countries, well, including, of course, poland , mr. chech wanted to speak to drozdov and september well, i would like to say that they are very dependent on the discussion it is important which perspective we take. so the words fell, the series fell, there were many, many discussions that russia would make a series in ukraine, we remember all the fears in lviv on may 9 that ukraine, that russia would strike with nuclear tactical weapons and then the day independence , we remember not the first conditionally these fears that were, we

remember the attacks on the airbases, the arrivals of 5-6 arrivals in lviv itself, the truth is that rockets fell on the city center and so on. that is, we understand that these waves are coming and they are constantly present but i would like to change the angle a little, that the winter will be difficult, everyone understood that in ukraine, but also in europe, putin's goal was to freeze not only ukraine, but also the whole of europe with the help of gas and with help with help, well, to a lesser extent, less the share of e-e exports of russian in relation to oil on that with gas. he thought that he would freeze, he was going to europe, there will be riots, these riots are not like that. europe is very well prepared and europe will pass the winter peacefully, moreover, europe will supply and already

the first attempts were made to overpower electricity from romania and ukraine are also preparing other lines so that ukraine does not freeze, so that the winter is passed as easily as possible. you know, it always hurts a little when we talk - we talk about the war of the political variable and so on. i think that the most important perspective that should always be kept in mind is the fate of the people we remember that 8 million people left ukraine for europe in 8 months. it was a weak europe , but it did not bend. europe, as putin was counting on, did not collapse because of this, why is it so, but for a very

simple reason. because the europeans approached not ukraine in general, only that we need to help nastya oksana and her children. i know this for myself, because i live there, where these refugees exist and refugees must be helped , people help them, they work, get settled, and so on. this aspect of human relations is fundamentally important . it is based on it. i would say it is the foundation on which arms deliveries will be made, and no, well, let’s not forget today. biden said that america will give 37 billion dollars. a week ago, the european union said that next year, 18 billion dollars will be spent only in the ukrainian budget, that is, there is help. comprehensive, but we remember that this

is the fate of people, especially children. because children are actually the ones who experience it the most, and these anxieties are all the same, and migration is a very, very, very scary thing for children. you end up in a foreign language environment at school. and they take the exam. in the polish language, for example, in the german language, the italian language, the norwegian language, that is, so that we, from this point of view , do not lose ordinary people, and in particular children, the war always says this, and we will cough up the war with very long hands, unfortunately , unfortunately, thank you, look, not a single energy system in the world none of them will withstand direct missile strikes , including ukrainian, no matter what it is there. what needs to be done is to shoot down as many rockets as possible. zaluzhny said that we shoot down 80%, this is cool, super. this is good. this is the great professionalism of our armed forces.

forces of ukraine, the position of poland is extremely strong, and we are also grateful to the poles for the balts, because they understood a long time ago that if we lose, they will have to fight. i would very much like the germans to finally understand that tanks are not needed to protect the bundestag, but ukrainians need them there now more. in order to defeat the enemy. this is important that the world can do this and that. yes, the poles are doing a lot there to convey to the world and to that old so-called europe that would support modern weapons as soon as possible and more ukraine this is also very important, mr. september promised the words of goncharenko, if there is already glory , when there was a lot of optimism for some reason, at least in march, and then i said and what is victory

, and for the first time i asked it, so that the yellow-blue flag over the kremlin or something how can they feel it's good that 9 months have passed and now today i can already see that not only in the public opinion of ukrainians, but also europeans and americans, many people have already arrived. and it seems to me that it looks like this, the victory of ukraine is not the existence of russia, but it is somewhere here. i have not formulated it yet, but this is my impression, and maybe it will exist as a moscow region. maybe it will be 20 countries, maybe 5, but i hope it already all they understand that it must exist without nuclear weapons, without an army. well, maybe even without

industry, please let them do something so that they do not buy from europeans here, so that polish apples go here, let them grow it for themselves, this is an important point, it seems to me that humanity is reaching here, and i would like to urge to always be careful in the sense that we criticize ourselves a lot let's go faster let's go faster but in 9 months only we found the idea that it doesn't exist this is already a victory for the second time we will not score december 1st will always be the best day for me independence on august 24. and i even know how it happened on the first of december and who helped dmytro pavlychko. and what a terrible fight i fought for on the 24th, and there was a group of comrades. i used to be a member of parliament.

such as who said they voted for the first, then 360 people from ukrainians voted for 361 24, and can you imagine the situation that they did not vote for the first? that half a year before that there was a march report and a selection of some which in galicia was not held thanks to the black leadership, and in march 70 a referendum, whether there two or four percent voted for the continuation of the existence of the ussr as a new people's republic there, something like that here and there, what am i leading to? i am not leading to treachery , but to the fact that with democracy, freedom of will

must be fought every day, because the situation can change in six months. every day how are these american eyes the founder yes i woke up i think about democracy do something it won't work like that yes it won't work like that third - it's that no i don't want to say the third fourth i 'll go right away because i can already see oleksia so look at this a little calming i'm always a skeptic here now a little bit, i talk with many, many experts, with two former ministers of housing and communal services, they say that there are two countries in europe that are the strongest in terms of heat, electricity , gas, and so on, it's france, ukraine, i'm sorry poles , and he says that somehow it happened, it's not known in what

way, well, they say that the soviet way, that since the soviet union meant to export a huge amount of energy to europe precisely from ukraine, and that is why there was a strong nuclear power here, this is, oringoi pomari, uzhhorod, this gas, this, all this and oil is very powerful here and they all said it could be very, very bad, but it is impossible to kill the ukrainian power system and only two countries in europe, i will repeat once again the french one cannot be killed and the ukrainian one can be half, maybe there is still some way, but it is completely impossible to kill it, so there is hope that it will be warm and the word is given to rain . i 'm sorry, what do you want, people's deputy of ukraine, european solidarity, you are somewhere, you are somewhere, day.

conferences i just saw the former vice president michael bence that in the us senate and congress we are talking and fighting for ukraine and ukrainian interests. what are they saying in general? that is , we are talking about the fact that the calendar winter has come and what kind of expectations it will be and how it will end . for ukraine, as we understand that for us very often it was in the winter that such important victories came for our society and the state, you know. i want to be realistic and therefore i had to say honestly that this winter will be extremely difficult it will probably be the most difficult winter in the history of ukraine, and this must be understood. i am here now, my family, my wife, two children in odessa, they have no electricity, no water. well, there are now, like millions of other ukrainians, and unfortunately, we have to prepare for the

difficult, but the most important thing i think that this will be the last hard winter in our history and all the others are positive and next year we will win our war of independence, we will finish it victoriously and after that, we will build a country that the whole world will admire, we have changed, the world has changed today, ukraine is such a brand, so i will tell you here, i feel fantastic there, we suffered very heavy losses, but we also gained something, this is something very important. this is the respect of the whole world and ourselves, others . a nation that no one will ever blow away, but on the contrary, which will always be ahead and only achieve some, well, just breakthrough successes. that 's why we're doing it now. well, what can you tell

us, we need to grit our teeth, hold our line and survive this winter. that's how it will be and how it will continue much easier if we talk about international politics, which you are not currently engaged in, how should we interpret how important is the statement from nato secretary stoltenberg, who was very often extremely restrained in his hearings about the war on the territory of ukraine and very often ordinary ukrainians even you know somewhere, well, not that they were offended, but they wanted more decisive statements from tolstenberg, and this week he is talking about the fact that europe and the entire civilized world must understand that we are now paying with money for the war against russia ukrainians pay with their own blood and if we don't pay enough with money now, well, in fact, somewhere in the context of this big phrase, we will have to pay with blood, to what extent

can this phrase change the context of this confrontation, well, these are actually very correct words yes this is stoltonberga - this is the answer to those who are in the west, we say that it is difficult for them, you know how we say that there, well, somewhere without light, somewhere without water, it is difficult for people. and let's look at those who are on the front lines and fight and lose their brothers every day. that's why obviously, staltenberg gives an answer to them, and in general it is very important to convey this opinion and it is very cool that he is saying it to convey this opinion to all our partners , i am in the usa right now here. weapons, why should we tear them away from us there and send them somewhere across the ocean? well, we need to find arguments and explain that this is a joint war, that the usa, having invested 3% of its military budget, destroyed

at least half of the military potential of the 1942 the biggest adversary after china that well and so on and so on and so on in your video blogs. by the way, we call on everyone, the connection has dropped a bit, so probably there to recover and fight and fight on this diplomatic front. it is necessary to constantly explain why it is important that the world stood next to us. this is a question that i have already started to ask in my video blogs. by the way, we invite you to subscribe to oleksiy honchanka's youtube channel and to the youtube channel the great lviv speaks. you often analyze e.e. russian propaganda and it is actually important to watch what are they talking about, because between their words you can very often see different contexts and now, in my subjective opinion, this euphoria from strikes is sometimes effective, sometimes not so much. oh , it is now taking a back

seat to the energy system of ukraine, and now with you know, this is their rhetoric about the gas court, they started saying that they are going to destroy the government and again, well, let's say it like this. it seems that they understand what awaits them. but do they understand that this is a process that they cannot stop? here it is difficult for me to say what do you think what would i do? i would just take a screenshot of their faces in february. their faces now don't have to go far, just look at all these faces. i understand that it's not nice that these treasures are nightingales . i'm too lazy to squirm and watch because these trends are important, this information war must be understood, what their attacks must be repelled, explain something, so look at their faces in february and now, well, it's just heaven and earth.

the pleasure of falling in love, it almost didn't start. and now they are so sad, sad, something is standing there, saying yes, special operations are going on in our territory, and maybe we can and craving. well, that's it. so, friends, we're obviously winning, and they feel it, and they're not stupid eyes. what are there? the main ones there are some fools , of course they are completely crazy, but these villagers are nightingales and peasants, they are not stupid at all and they perfectly understand what is going on and that they will have to answer for everything, believe me, it is obvious if you follow them so we are on the right track we have kormova, we have to understand that this is not just a journalist saying this, well, a typical

propagandist, a person who defends the position of their government, explains it to their people and tries to see how they can put everything into it, some kind of essence, they will betray their people. even to say that if we manage to lose to the hague , a conditional or specific situation awaits even the janitor who sweeps the cobblestones inside the zakrevlovsk wall, that because of that , one more district of kyiv will be left without light or the scale of the catastrophe will not remain вернётся наша страна если мы умудриемся это гадять он well, even he cannot introduce himself , that's why they are afraid. well, that's how they intimidate their

people , first of all, because these words. beautiful words i have been successful in general recently congratulations when putin said to pseudo mothers well he would have died from alcohol anyway well there is no point in him dying like this he will die from a ukrainian bullet well what a benefit for russia i am oh what a good boy what a good man a beautiful woman says that the last janitor in the kremlin will go to the harbor. i consider it all a very good day and a lot of parallels, that's what i'm leading to, because what oleksiy just said about this lady and all the propagandists. just look at her and at the bullshit. look at the mouth it's the 38th-39th 40th 41st and look at the herbicide 44th 45th it's the same the same and now here again you know that impression

that after every big war and this is definitely a big one and this safe world war because when we look at how many people are for ukraine, how many nations are for ukraine, how many countries are for ukraine how many are not for ukraine i mean now, for example , china, but definitely not for russia, and all these votes, well, not all, but partially and from the conversation about what we are for the integrity of ukraine we understood why so that taipei is nearby yes and so on but something like the united nations is being created and it is important to understand i understand that the parallels are very complex in their history well i am very careful but they are so expressive they rush into others so much when they were created united nations. no, no not the top three, but when its latin america and

north africa and so on and so on australia new zealand and the whole world turned against hitler in the same way, i see that now there are some such first such very cautious steps maybe for the same reason as i said that in the denominator to there was no russia without a bandit because this is an apartment building on some floor of which there is some terrible hooligan and murderer and we all gather and say what should we do and there is no policeman there is no policeman that you can call there and say hello colonel there what lieutenant, is there a sergeant? come and deal with him. well, because he has his own life, he is sitting under every door, but do something. there is no such thing, and humanity will begin to create again. it was the league of nations, then the un. and now you also have to enter something, and at the end, i

i was just getting ready today, i read it from pushkin, and why did i read it and why do i want this quarter of a poem now, because the russians somehow give me the impression that anthropologists should be sent there, because they are like what i talked about in this program, incomplete people. well because well, i i didn't see that the mother and the actions will die, the son will go let me kill well, i don't, i don't know, it's always some kind of doubt, well, maybe i don't need my son, maybe something, but when i see it, i think well, it's something, it's not homosapien, it's something there is a homol, but not a singer. it can be homoerectness, they walk straight, this is the only thing that they somehow have. well, that some kind of part of getting from

neanderthals to homosapiens somewhere they stopped . what are the gifts of their freedom? should i cut or cut? it is about the people, it is about the nation, about its pro-russian side, and you see a very interesting moment of the gifts of freedom. that is, it is a gift, there is no understanding that it is a struggle, long, tiring, difficult, er, bloody sacrificial. and this is such a gift. here is the king, time will give or not. he can do something like that and it gives the impression that this banditry in this apartment building is

sick russian society without a doubt no no putin this is not putin's war this russian society is sick and needs to be treated somehow and the only way is some kind of symposium, that is, once again, the united nations, doctors must be from many countries, which will complement each other, and treat somehow , but probably not doctors and surgeons, because it's already pills, pills, something needs to be cut off, somehow, something must have plurals or something there is a cardinal thing to do there, where there is no floor, hot tea with honey, there is a runny nose, it is cold there, it is winter again, something needs to be done very fundamentally, but there is already an understanding, it is nice that some russians, that we have just seen this lady, that they are talking about it, and although i think that

healed, the healing process will take tens of years, tens, and maybe two generations at least will not recover, and there will be many generations of russians who will not atone, imagine a russian who atones for something and says oh, i am very envious somewhere, they once apologized to the poles for yeltsin, for gorbachev, something we talked there and then we are all beautiful people and we must apologize to everyone from japan to the caucasus in a circle just finland baltic eastern europe eastern central europe further further further ukraine moldova georgia armenia, it's hard for me to imagine. i'm sorry, i took a lot of time. that's it. drozdov, we're already finalizing the broadcast. and i've always said in this

studio everywhere that i don't perceive this war actually as putin's adventure, it's very naturally organic for the enemy, what kind of identity hasn’t changed since 300-400 years ago, in principle, and the coach considers even those words of putin that in general, almost as many really die in road accidents in them as there was in ukrainian humus and almost as many henry and alcoholism of the national such the interests of the republic, yes, he is actually very sincere and right about it, and this is organic, and the most difficult thing about this is that the legitimization of cannibalism goes down from below. in us,

this is a typical logic, oh, just in vain, something should have been said now we pause the oven and the results or what is now literally a minute and i am now asking our editors, and mine is on the air, is there a dark screen, at least for me, and the sound, look , i am the sound, then we can continue talking, there are candles , switching to the radio, yes, switching to the radio, such conditions of the modern modernity of ukrainian but in such conditions in the end that's how it can be continued perfectly i can witness the candles let's be on the waves eh war fm so check the connection for the bbc ukraine somewhere with the

bbc in london i don't find the line for the bbc ukrainian service is the bbc from london. checking the connection for bbc ukraine. bbc ukrainian service . welcome to bbc news ukraine . olga palamaryuk works in the studio in london and today we are talking about this in spain.