bbc in london i don't the find the line for the bbc ukrainian service - this is the bbc from london checking the connection for the bbc ukraine the line for the bbc ukrainian service welcome to the broadcast of bbcineus ukraine olga palamaryuk works in the studio in london and today we are talking about this in spain, security measures have been increased after

packages with explosives, one of them came to the embassy of ukraine, germany recognized the holodomor as a genocide of the ukrainian people, how berlin's policy towards kyiv is changing and i am searching churches how and why zelenskyi and the special services took up the ukrainian the orthodox church ukraine and russia held another exchange of prisoners managed to free 50 soldiers in particular and defenders of azovstal, as reported by the head of the office of the president of ukraine andriy yarmak, the defenders of mariupol and azovstal returned home, as well as prisoners who were in the deer park, most of the freed ukrainians have wounds and injuries, some with amputated limbs or are unable

to move in recent months, processes of prisoner exchanges have accelerated significantly, so in the last week of november it was possible to free almost 100 ukrainians among them, both military and civilians , were captured in spain, security measures were increased due to packages with explosives, the day before such a parcel arrived at the embassy of ukraine in madrid, addressed to a ukrainian, during the inspection, the explosive detonated, the commandant of the embassy was injured, moreover, the ukrainian minister of foreign affairs, dmytro kuleba, reported that two letters with specific threats were received by other diplomatic missions if they believe that a purposeful large-scale campaign against ukraine is taking place. this was a quote at the same time spanish authorities say packages with explosives were sent from 5 places the minister of the interior of spain said that the country is introducing additional security measures the national police and the civil

guard are jointly conducting a thorough investigation we are also taking the necessary additional measures to guarantee the safety of all public buildings of diplomatic missions and the whole society declare that such packages have also arrived at the american embassy, ​​the prime minister of ukraine and the minister of defense, what is happening now in spain, we will ask journalist oleksandr molotkova. i welcome you on the air. first of all, what kind of additional security measures have already been implemented in the country, and is there concern among the population? of the ukrainian in spain, they obviously follow the news a lot and already see in this some a russian trace a together with the latest news that we know that a similar package has been received by e the embassy of the united states in madrid, we are already

talking about six points where they were, where they were found, where these packages were delivered, and in all these points, an anti-terrorist protocol has already been introduced. and in other diplomatic institutions in spain, security measures have simply been increased. this is the first attack of this kind on a ukrainian diplomatic institution, and at the beginning of the war, of course, everyone is following these very closely . one exploded and it happened as we reported yesterday in the ukrainian embassy, ​​are there any new details of this incident, so indeed one device exploded in the ukrainian embassy when an employee of this embassy, ​​according to some data, this is the employee who received this box, according to other data, this is the head of the security service the embassy, ​​when they received this

box, you saw that it was a little suspicious and opened it in the garden of the embassy, ​​that is, it was not opened inside and it exploded; an employee of the embassy was injured and delivered was in the hospital, but there are other packages that also exploded at all other points, but these explosions were carried out in a controlled manner and they were carried out in a controlled manner by a private company and pyrotechnicians of this company that was engaged in and is currently conducting an investigation . i am conducting research on what was actually in these boxes, and so far , they do not have final data. neither the journalists nor the government, but do they connect the appearance of these packages in spain with explosives and the fact that the country helped ukraine in the war against russia. yes, of

course, it is connected. let's put it this way, the first clue was from the special services, because the attacks actually took place at a military base and also at a satellite center that really cooperates with ukraine and actually provides active assistance to ukrainian military, and it is also important to note that the ministry of defense of spain also received similar packages. this happened today and even earlier, a week before all these events, an identical package. but it is already now. everyone understands that an identical package was received and the prime minister of spain petra sánchez in his residence and why did it only become known about it now if it all happened a week ago they were saying a-a about it was obviously not talked about a week ago when it happened because obviously the information was not confirmed exactly what it is for the package and who

brought it to monclo to his residence and after a week when we now see a whole series of similar packages they are actually identical in their form and in their teaching inside only now the investigator the investigator is clear that there is a connection between them, and of all the packages that were found, the only package that did not explode at all is the package in the e-e at the military base in the phone that keeps it in its original state, and this is the only package that can give the investigators any hints about who it is could send because the only thing that is known at the moment is that the packages were all sent from the territory of spain , that is, they did not cross the border, but this is the only information for now. journalist oleksandra molotkova and germany

will transfer cheetah anti-aircraft tanks to ukraine, chancellor olafsholtz said earlier, and today the german government confirmed this information and published a list of weapons that will be provided to the ukrainian army in the near future. this is how schultz inspected these tanks in the summer. it is known that seven cheetah self-propelled anti-aircraft guns will also be transferred 14 tracked and remote-controlled infantry vehicles, 10 demining systems, three air defense systems, and missiles for them, and tanks, shells , armor, cars, two dozen reconnaissance drones this initiative of germany was supported by the secretary general of nato and jens stoltenberg met with scholz today in berlin. i am grateful to germany for its leading role . germany is among the allies that provide the most military financial and humanitarian aid to ukraine. military equipment provided by germany protects ukrainian homes, schools, hospitals from

russian missile strikes. we know that our support for ukraine comes at a price, food and energy prices have become harbingers of hard times for many people, but we pay with money and ukrainians with their lives and in touch with us, international political scientist, senior analyst of the western institute in poznań, viktor savinok. he joins the studio from berlin. victor, lately germany's activity in supporting ukraine has increased significantly. olaf-shol - this is what he said about the batch of cheetah artillery installations, does this mean that official berlin is changing its attitude towards ukraine? i think that the attitude towards ukraine has changed even after when in february, the federal republic decided to provide ukraine with weapons because before that, the german

government was very strongly against such an approach and tried not to give ukraine weapons, arguing that the federal republic does not want to present weapons to the prize regions. and if to russia, how is germany's attitude to russia is changing. i think that the russian federation is in the face of at least such a wide center of the german political spectrum, which includes both persia and the ruling coalition, that is, it is in the democracies of green and free democracy and the opposition christian democrats, in fact, lost the remnants of its reputation and reliability, and in this case it is not only a violation of international law in the form of aggression against ukraine, but also in principle the image of a reliable economic partner and partner

in energy cooperation, since germany even probably that in a nightmare one should not expect that one day there will be explosions on the nord streams and gas supplies will come from the russian federation . speaking more globally, what else can germany do for assistance to ukraine, in your opinion, germany can provide even more significant financial assistance to ukraine or use its potential at the level of the european union in order to coordinate this assistance at the eu level, and definitely germany can go further in matters of providing arms to ukraine, in particular , we expect that there will be western-style tanks have been transferred, and we believe that this will ultimately be a necessity for germany and other western countries already in

the coming months, since the stocks of soviet weapons both in ukraine and in in principle, the world will be smaller because sooner or later the west will be forced to provide western-style tanks to ukraine in order to ensure its defense potential, and therefore it is now important for germany to start training the ukrainian military and acquisitions so that they can operate tanks, although something may shake support germany, ukraine, so far i do not see such factors, uh, in principle, socio-political opinion. it is clearly a question and a matter of principle. well, the issue of supporting ukraine as such is also, in principle,

other factors that could prevent the federal republic from supporting ukraine in the future. now there is no ambiguity, because there is confusion in german society, because there are certain groups that, for example , reject interference in any which armed conflicts arguing that we can achieve only when the weapons are silent and accordingly call on the federal government to refrain from supplying weapons to ukraine or there are openly groups who sympathize with the russian federation for one reason or another, whether historical or other, and say that it is impossible for vera to defeat the russian federation, because it is possible to defeat a state that has nuclear weapons, well, i also want to talk about something

else, about the fact that such a person recognized the holodomor as a genocide of the ukrainian people, ukraine sought this for many years because germany was also involved in this tragedy, even in the resolution it was indicated that ukraine gives ukraine this recognition, this document is a symbolic step in fact, one of the largest countries in terms of economic potential and population of the european union recognizes it as a holomorgenocide of the ukrainian people, and in fact, it seems that this creates such a useful weight so that other member countries of the european union, which have not yet had time to take this step , recognize it domoricide and in fact, this is also a kind of call and a manifestation of german leadership. apparently, this is the case. yes, and i think that

russian aggression and ukrainian resistance played a role in this recognition. in this russian aggression because on the one hand ukraine describes but on the other hand the germans. now there is no need to look back on the and what is needed federation if they are comfortable nationalism if as it was since the previous times of 18-19 years when these debates should also be on the agenda thank you thank you for the conversation of the senior analyst of the western institute in poznań , viktor savenok, about the relations between germany and ukraine, how to honor the memory of the holodomor. my colleagues have talked before, and he is a co-author of the holodomor memorial in kyiv, and he is convinced that the construction will resume in the near future myroslav nizziu is the founder of the polish architectural office that developed the projects of the second stage of the monument, why

is the memorial so important and why do we undertake such projects? it will essentially be hidden in the ground what you see is a roof you see tectonics and tectonics, as you can imagine, is part of the soil and it is broken tectonics the participation of brokon domigov broken in the middle the earth symbolically says that the truth has already been found out, there is light coming from the middle of the building at night, and this is what explains everything with tectonics, from the geometry of the building with a material that resembles chernozem, less where black, the visitor goes from

light to darkness, light is what everyone understands, you see light, you see life, you see darkness, you see sorrow have to find away have to find a way to tell the story so that your body your soul feel a little trauma pain sense of consciousness like people felt so many years ago racing so during the story you go through the stages of ease of life in life and then go through the darkness that gives a feeling of sorrow and trauma and when you pass these stages this story will bring you to the present to the light present so if i can

describe in detail the journey you are going through here you open so many questions about life and death about repression about the soviet regime but who is behind it you will see who did it and you will see people who for many years after the holodomor tried to discover the truth director ognieshka goland made a film about the holodomor called mr. jones ms. ognieshka like you are also polish why do polish artists speak so loudly about the tragedy of the holodomor, maybe because we understand. we have the

sensitivity and maturity to deal with it. maybe this is what we were prepared for for many years. i watched the film ognizhka holland and i was very inspired by the footage. real stories, you can't do something without knowledge . that's why i went to kyiv so many times and touched the soil to smell and feel the pain, maybe it's too poetically metaphorical, but it's the architect myroslav nielse about the holodomor memorial in kyiv and other topics security service of ukraine today conducted a search in a women's monastery in transcarpathia, according to the information of the security forces, they found a lot of propaganda propaganda materials from

russian literature, books with offensive fictions about other nationalities and religions, also during the searches, law enforcement officers found the texts of pro-russian songs where they glorified the russian land, searches in the dioceses of the ukrainian orthodox church intensified in the last for several weeks, security measures, as they are called by law enforcement officers, have already been carried out on the territory of the kyiv-pechers lavra of the chernivtsi-bukovynia ivano-frankivsk and mukachevo dioceses, as well as in pochayev, why church politics in ukraine began to change just now my colleague vitaliy chervonenko was trying to figure out the searches of the security services of ukraine in the churches of the uoc of the moscow patriarchate, this is systematic work to protect the national security of ukraine. this is what sources in the the special service started this work in the autumn after the change of the leadership of the service, then ivan bokanov was replaced by vasyl the kid, and vasyl the kid saw that someone in the uoc was

calling the moscow patriarchate in the uoc itself they say that they are no longer connected with the russian church. there are many pro-russian elements there that can threaten national security, and the head of the service went to the state leadership and reported on this situation and received approval for this work, there is no religious enmity or discrimination, just national security, they say in the security service of ukraine therefore systematically checks all monasteries and churches where, according to their data, there may be some pro-russian elements, pro-russian literature or even citizens of russia, and therefore in the last few months, we have already seen a number of scandals with searches, and the security service of ukraine assured the bbc that such work will continue and the events in transcarpathia are part of this work, which shows that the president of ukraine paid great attention to the situation with the churches, and he said at the press conference that

understands the danger that can be, but the security service operates only within the framework of the law, and it only looks for violations of the law, at the same time, volodymyr zelenskyy quite surprised observers dealing with the church topic because he unexpectedly announced to everyone that he had taken viktor yelensky as his advisor, and yelensky is a person who is very well- known in church circles. he supported the granting of a tomos on autocephaly, he advocates for an independent local ukrainian church and that the moscow patriarchate of the ukrainian orthodox church still shows that the president is changing his view on the church life of the country, because even in 2019, when he became president, he did not attach much importance to this topic and, frankly speaking, in the course of communication indicated that, well, not too much. he wants to deal with the autocephalous tomos

to support the autocephalous church, moreover, in his entourage, in particular, the head of the sbu went to the uoc of the moscow patriarchate, as well as the deputy head of the president's office serhii trofimov, he went to the kyiv-pechersk lavra and served metropolitan onuphrius, that is, he was quite involved in this particular church structure. however, now, as the bbc told viktor yelenskyi is a person who advises the president, now volodymyr zelenskyi is looking at his views , he is deeply involved in this issue and will try to solve the church problem first so that the uoc should be as little as possible about the russian element that threatens national security, and on the other hand, it will try to reconcile the uoc and the orthodox church of ukraine, the autocephalous church, which the president previously perceived as poroshenko's church, because poroshenko at one time supported

the granting of a tomos, he was engaged in this topic, what to say and advertised on but now the situation is changing and we see that the state has taken a slightly different course, although in the ukrainian orthodox church itself we talked with its bishops and the leader of the information department by bishop kliment he says that the sbu is acting incorrectly, they do not find anything illegal and often even break the law during searches and say that they are no longer the moscow patriarchate, they held this council on may 27, you removed from your charter all references to the connection with the russian orthodox church is now an independent church, this is their position. they deny the presence in the monasteries of any violations of the law, any openly pro-russian things, and say that they are no longer connected with the russian industrial church and the patriarch. cyril, although even today's events in transcarpathia

show that sometimes this is not the case, because the security service of ukraine showed a whole instruction that hung in the monastery on how to continue to commemorate patriarch kirill and how to explain it to people that this is normal and in accordance with all canonical norms, although metropolitan onufriy, the head of the uoc claims that patriarch kirill is no longer commemorated anywhere, but practice shows that there are different reasons, that is why the situation in ukrainian orthodoxy is rapidly unfolding - further searches will develop, possible scandals, but we hope everything will be within the limits of the law and it will not go beyond what they fear. in the ukrainian orthodox church itself, they say that there is persecution against them, but the president of ukraine promises that everything will be within the limits of the law, and during the war, the russians forcibly removed tens of thousands of children from ukraine, provide exactly the official kyiv cannot give the figure because the hostilities

continue and there is no access to the occupied territories, it is known that the children were taken away from the sanatorium and the boarding students were separated from their parents in the filtration camps, the ukrainian side calls it kidnapping russian officials are evacuating and we will talk more about it with my colleague diana diana kuryshko diana, have you researched this topic, is it known that several ukrainian children have already been taken to russia. congratulations olya , these data are very different. russia claims to have saved hundreds of thousands of children, so to speak, ukrainian officials say what is known about 12,000 children , their names are known - these are statements by parents or relatives that the children were taken away, but how many children were actually kidnapped, we do not know, because there is no access to the occupied territories, and these are children who for example, they were in sanatoriums. and when the war started

or they lived in boarding schools, these are children who were separated from their parents in so-called filtration camps, when their parents were taken prisoner, beaten and tortured, and the children were sent to russia. these are children whose parents died and they ended up in crimea . found himself in the occupation, there is a story about a ten-year-old boy who lost his mother and ended up in luhansk, and through many difficult and very difficult long journeys, he was able to reach him. his grandmother came half a world away, this an elderly woman and she, with enormous difficulties, was able to take her grandson out and take him to his relatives. and

they offered him, they offered her that he should stay. sanatoriums or boarding schools were taken further into the occupied territory, the so -called dpr lpr were taken to the crimea to various regions of russia. who is the president's commissioner for children's rights, dari gerasimchuk, they did this in order to disperse the children to make it harder to find them, there is information that some of the children live near muscovy, in the kursk region, in other regions of russia. so you say that the official kyiv does not have an exact number of children taken out of ukraine, how can they be returned, or is it possible at all? this is really a very complicated matter with 12,000 er, they managed to return only about 100 children. that is, it is very few. ukraine and russia broke off diplomatic er relations at the beginning of the war, that is, there is no dialogue between the countries about the fact that such a problem exists and needs to be solved somehow.

because there is no dialogue. in general, dialogue is carried out either by charitable organizations or volunteers. often these stories of rescue are the stories of such good people. fortunately, there are still people in russia who just help in such a way that they buy tickets and take the child to their parents . there are many stories, but it is extremely few because thousands and tens of thousands of children have been abducted and there is great hope for international organizations at the united nations and the red cross because they have access to these territories of russia about what experts say they have been doing for the past 9 months extremely little and russia is doing everything to keep all the children, that is, the problem of the return of ukrainian children from russia is being solved very slowly, but i hope that these children will one day be returned home diana thank you, i advise you to read diana's article on our website bbc.ua, which

is called why are the russians taking away ukrainian children and how to return them. thank you, colleague, and that's all for today. look for more stories on our bbc.ua website and on our social media pages, and turn on our program tomorrow at exactly 9:00 a.m. evening good luck and take care of yourself for four years with 32 winners, watch all 64 matches of the world cup live on the megogo media service special project