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km/h will stop in 30 meters if you are with a flicker, the driver can see you 130 meters away, if you are in white for 55 m in red for 24 meters a pedestrian in black water will notice a maximum of 18 meters mark yourself do not get lost in the dark the russian orthodox church is creating a private military company st. andrew's cross for the war against ukrainians and searches in the kiev-pechersk lavra confirmed that our shrine has long been a branch of the kremlin agency, these news today interest even ukrainians who are far from religious topics , so the question why the russian church is still in ukraine and whether it is possible to get rid of it finally

needs a detailed analysis, we will talk about it on the broadcast of the night watch in the studio, maria vasylivna, i'm yevgeny plinskyi, we have a guest, a clergyman of the orthodox church of ukraine, blogger, public figure, rector of the open orthodox university, george kovalenko, we are glad to see you and glory to jesus christ, glory to ukraine, father george, and the decision of the russian orthodox church to create its own without hiding to arm the army and send it to war against the ukrainians is actually the transformation of the rpc into an analogue of the orthodox ideal. i think with a certain attempt, but remember the russian orthodox army on in the donbas since the 14th year, remember those private security firms that allegedly protect the temples and monasteries of the

moscow patriarchate, including in ukraine, and many other things can be remembered, so i think it is possible that the russian orthodox church thus transitions from such a soft force to a more rigid force, in fact building a kind of really modern and business or trying to mimic the crusades, yes, please , they are dumped like me, yes, they don’t even try anymore. somehow, it’s presented in a different way, like supporting putin’s aggressive actions, it’s very difficult the structure and masks have been dropped only on one side , in fact, let's start with the origins of the moscow patriarchate in the form in which it is now, it is an indirect descendant even of the russian orthodox church during the times of the russian empire there, it is a structure created directly with the permission there and with the will of

joseph viktorevich stalin and for years the nkvd will continue to be a service that began to work as a branch of the kgb and foreign intelligence, that is, this institution had a function from the beginning, including monitoring believers within the soviet union and on the international arena to engage in intelligence and other propaganda activities, moreover, the whole structure had a special department, such a department of external church relations, it was called yes , at first, they were connected, and then they were connected directly to the game. was headed by kirill gundyaev, that is, in fact, this is actually a kdmeshnik at the head of an actually religious

structure, as an officer of the kdb, he is at the head of russia as a state. that is, we see such a complete two-headed symbiosis. which is based on this old czech cunning and in essence tradition because the main thing is not christian in this cunning and it shows now also its tentacles and tries to create directly yes not only ideological or propaganda structures through videos or not structures we now see what it is is already turning into a direct and combat e detachments well, okay, let's assume that we understand that in russia the russian orthodox church has actually been an ideological unit of the nkvd for decades. and now we can already say the fsb. and as for branch of the russian orthodox church here in ukraine, which calls itself the ukrainian

orthodox church, but does not want to add this appendix of the moscow patriarchate. which well, we just need to distinguish where is the truly ukrainian church and where is the church that has rested from the russian orthodox church. so, i want to ask you after these searches, after the sbu identified even in western ukraine, in seminaries, monasteries, in this methodology where there was, well , i would say black hundred propaganda, because there is xinophobia and denial of the ukrainian state as such and denial in general that kyiv can exist somehow separated from moscow, that they can only be together and so on and so on, how far can this ukrainian orthodox church of the patriarchate be considered that it is some kind of independent organization or is it one hundred percent the daughter of its mother , the orthodox church which actually conducts the same ideology, ideology, and ideological policy here. well, we saw that these searches, their results and the reaction

to them show that what happened in may, as the experts said, that it was just dust in the eyes society that this is an imitation of a break with moscow, because if you look at the real solutions that are on paper, there is no break, it is only an informational cover -up of certain events from the other side. activities to control believers in ukraine now as a territory that was partially part of the soviet union when it ceased to be part of it, let's count it as external intelligence and as a certain promotion of the narratives of the ideas of the russian world, and at first it was simply a single space, which was called there a spiritual canadian triune occasion. all these things happened directly in the church, and let's take a

closer look at those people who lead all this, and here is metropolitan onufriy, for example, this is the person who first withdrew his signature under the with the appeal of the entire episcopate regarding the autocephaly of the ukrainian church to moscow, such things are done by themselves. let's take another member of the synod, so to speak, who was a deputy of the supreme council the declaration of independence and who voted against it is also a fact from the other side eh these ties continued yes i.e. the city by the parish of eh kirill they began to strengthen moreover the russian church began in a certain way yes even ignoring the kyiv metropolitanate there to connect with the state power to implement some business projects in the regions. well, after the death of his beatitude metropolitan volodymyr, i have

the impression that the kyiv metropolitanate was already completely under control. yes, and in a certain way, ideological and propaganda history also developed and the story developed, including an intelligence one. is it any other? yes, what we see now is what we see, we see the fire correctors of the fire, we see another very interesting topic that cannot be forgotten, which shows us who is who, they call themselves the uoc bezmp yes, but that's what they call themselves exclusively in the territories which is controlled by ukraine, part of this same structure of this same church in the occupied territories is no longer the uoc , it is the mp. ukrainian churches, even joint prayer is impossible here. and with the occupiers, it turns out to be possible. why do they think that this will last

forever? why are they not afraid that if they don’t break away, at least by cunning, they won’t break away from the russian orthodox church with russia, at least for the sake of appearance, they won’t say no no, we are here in ukraine, we are the ukrainian church after all. do they not understand that sooner or later he will just have to leave here? let's look at history. the 20s. when was the ukrainian state created? yes when the movement for autocephaly begins and the ukrainian autocephalous church is created. the moscow patriarchate in ukraine becomes autonomous. when the soviet government takes over ukraine, it immediately ceases to be autonomous . after the end of the second world war, even under the germans, it existed as an autonomous structure until the year 45-46 came. it

dissolved again in the moscow patriarchate and lost its autonomy, that is, there are certain precedents and therefore, i think that the fate of the moscow patriarchate will really depend on the success of the armed forces of ukraine and our national resistance, both on the battlefield and in the information space, and certainly on the spiritual front. by the 10th month of the war, we already know roughly what russia's plans are were there in the first weeks and first months of the war, yes, they were there through the courts trying to cancel the allegedly illegally removed yanukovych, and they were selecting a team there that could seize power in kyiv and in ukraine as a whole, and what could happen in the religious space of ukraine in the event of putin's success in capturing kyiv, how would the moscow patriarchate behave, what specific steps would they take

? well, including in relation to you. well, we already have some experience, crimea is not so far away, all the bishops of the ukrainian orthodox church at that time remained in their places, now they themselves asked to join them directly under the control of the patriarch of moscow in the occupied in the territories, the bishop of izyumsky, for example, directly blessed the head of the collaborative kharkiv administration. where is he now, he is in russia, what did his church say to him, she first appointed him as a temporary executor, and then, probably, because of his condition due to his health, but well, or sent to rest without explanation, well, that is, to a well-deserved rest , sent the bishop of the moscow patriarchate from

luhansk oblast and the priests from the zaporizhzhia region from kherson to sit in the kremlin on this farce of joining these regions to russia that is, all these people would continue to sit in their seats and do what the priests of the moscow patriarchate mostly do in the occupied territories, they build relations with the collaborative occupation authorities and, in principle, teach people. structure and this structure, which is real, is engaged in cooperative activities in the occupied territories, and it seems to me that it is also important to see real judicial actions and real verdicts in these situations. by the way. by the way, right now the editors released a message that the

sbu announced the suspicion of one of the priests of the kyiv-pechersk lavra who glorified the russian peace at services. we hear the lavra, the lavra, and the lavra is not just one institution, it is not only the monastery with the great pavlova, which the whole media space knows about. also, the administration of the entire uoc, as if not of the moscow patriarchate. yes, where is the office, where is there some correspondence, where are certain departments, including those directly related to those departments of external church relations, there are such ones, yes, there is a spiritual academy there, there are many bookstores, and everything is in public access, and until now, there is a lot of interesting and you can find it, we are not talking about it the first year about the fact that this lavra is here and the headquarters of the russian orthodox church and the

fsb yes, but even the company was hiding militants precisely in the sviatohirskaya lavrov, let me tell you about the bitter ones even better, do you remember when there was a revolution of dignity, they brought the gifts of the magi unexpectedly, yes, that is, it is strange such a relic, we were also thinking about how to talk about it, because apparently it is not good to worship gold, yes, there is gold, lada is restless, well, we decided that it is not necessary to do this, they put icons of christmas next to it, so it was brought by some fund led by malafia thus, the russian head of security for this event was girkin, who checked, looked through all entrances, exits, was present, and then they got together, flew to the crimea, where, as they say, other negotiations were held under

the cover of this, so to speak, bringing gifts magi, what gifts did everyone on the night bring to ukraine, that's why he is a slavic delight. i remember this story, it started with something, somewhere on the border of the city, in which church did some young sportsmen come, as if for some church sports competitions and the city there is something, well, i looked at it with surprise, but then everyone calmed down , the local father reassured everyone that these are athletes of religious and sports people, they are communicating, but apparently this time these pilgrims in adidas pants. i guess they were not very funny then, the admiration of the city he bitterly made his decisions about these events, how much time has passed, so what's the key , you know, we can discuss this as much as we want, and it's just, well, the media surge is some kind of, well, let's say it like that, a white permanent da shu yes, but there

must be concrete actions by the state because it is the state that has these tools and judicial investigators of the sbu and so on, for so many years it did not dare to take such actions as we are seeing now, moreover, even individual presidents and ministers, many ministers, many deputies are faithful sons of this russian church and why. by the way, i can still understand when there was no alternative, but now it is. sorry, it’s not really impossible to explain why it is. is it such a powerful integration, and here is a simple question. and who penetrated whom our politicians and businessmen because they became supporters of this movement. is this the skillful and successful work of these fsb agents to attract our politicians, the foligarchs ? it still made sense. yeru who is the same

yanukovych, what would he be? if it weren't for the support from russia , he would still be some kind of regional prince, at best, what could be understood . systematic work , people are educated and know how to work with political elites and business circles, moreover, there is a certain ideology in this, and under this ideology of such exclusivism. here it is canonical, but it has been brought up for decades, yes, and a person who may not be very religious does not delve into this topic, she is afraid to touch something there that is not clean

. of russian in ukraine in the world, it is not only in ukraine, it is happening from the other side, it really includes economic interest, but look, russia also worked with ukraine in the political sphere and in the economic sphere, they also worked through the church with politicians and with business and vice versa by politicians and business worked as a church here, in fact, all these connections must be checked, it is necessary to really separate the religious component from the political economic intelligence there and all the others well, i don't know treason and so on yes and really learn to professionally separate yes these weeds from wheat, although it is not so easy

, even the lord in the gospel says that it is a very difficult job, i will tell you the story and, of course, also tell our viewers about how exactly this happens, because i had the opportunity to see it from the inside on his own example, when they tried to treat me in this way once even before the second maidan, about 10 years ago, maybe even more, a certain man from chernihiv approached me as a friend. some everyday topics, some personal topics, and then everything turned to politics, and i see that his views are very different from mine, but he very, very persistently tries to convince me that i am wrong and i then i went to his page and looked at his friends and saw that he had literally several dozens of friends, he had

about 15 of them, these are representatives of the mass media, these are journalists - these are women above all, women journalists, tv presenters, and so on, that is, how is it done instead of processing the brains of every grandmother yes who comes to your service no instead of her, you take some kind of conditional opinion leader well, who has already found yes who behaved himself who left and left with you to contact and you start brainwashing him, and this person will brainwash millions of others, and this is much more effective, that's how it actually works. i was just so amazed when i realized that this is such a primitive but, well, probably quite effective mechanism if they do it like that. well, you see. actually, everyone these departments that were involved in this, they existed in the kdb, they did not go anywhere, that is, they continue to work, that is, they continue to uh, well,

produce yes and spread certain standards yes why can we now listen there and hear approximately the same, some things from the faithful of the moscow patriarchate because they have their own chat rooms, their own channels, their own opinion leaders, who are very synchronic, who are initiated, who very synchronously spread the same narratives. that is, this is a powerful systemic work, this is not a spontaneous story, and this systemic you need to learn to work professionally with work, and to really be a country where freedom of conscience is respected, but this is not an excuse to use this right to freedom of conscience in order to hide it under a cloak, so to speak epaulettes of fsb or kdb officers, and in a few seconds, ruslan khalikov, an expert in religion, will appear on the phone, and i think we will also ask his opinion

about how he sees the development of events surrounding such an agent network in ukraine, the church should return to the air we are in touch ruslan khalikov religion connoisseur good night, mr. ruslan, you can hear us, i can hear you well, for those of you who listen to part of our broadcast, i would like to ask your opinion on we are so used to the existence in ukraine of this fsb undercover agent network on the church of the moscow patriarchate why did it become such white noise and for many it was a surprise that the sbu found evidence of this and the question arises whether it is really possible for us to really get rid of the influence of the moscow

patriarchate on the ukrainian church on ukrainians in general. well, i i think that the means that eh is doing now are not aimed at getting rid of the influence of the church on society, so it is not necessary to expect that if we search it will be solved, that is, eh influence on society can be removed the institution only rather, well, more systematic educational methods and such political and diplomatic methods, and searches are done rather in order to really check these specific facts that are accused of hiding saboteurs

and so on, that is, i think that here is not the goal of smallpox, now these are concrete actions to solve such a more global issue that you are talking about, and how this global issue can be resolved in a legal context in which the religious world has tools to request a direct ban on church activities the moscow patriarchate in ukraine legally has leverage, it is legal to do it, and not just a political decision that will be contested. will there be a large number of dissatisfied people? well , by law, the activity of the entire church can be banned by law only if it is recognized as a terrorist or extremist organization, for example. i think that it will not be his, that is, well, this is such a fairly radical step. well, like the russians

, for example, did with jehovah's witnesses. well, i think that this is a more theoretical thing than a practical legal one points, well, it can be the promotion of the transition of the parish , as it was there before a few years ago. well, but also here it is worth understanding that these things . that any law can be adopted, but if it is not regulated by laws, how do you think, in general, how long can the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate continue to exist in ukraine? how much longer

years it can be despite the fact that it has already completely discredited itself as a religious institution and how will existence in ukraine end if it ends, what do you think its future will be like through educational work, we can move for another 20 years and maybe it will end tomorrow, we will not we know if you are saying optimistically, why i apologize, i think that it is about ruklin. that is, you are talking about 20 years, how is this mystical? but i think that this is a very optimistic scenario, that is, it is about a change of two generations of hierarchs. well, maybe one and a half generation, that is, it was somewhere between 50-70 years ago, and do you think that if the state takes any action now to expel this church from ukraine, there will be some kind of

mass protests by believers, some public outrage is possible, do you think it will be like that, well, there will be outrage, there will probably be no mass protests, because under during martial law mass protests are prohibited, that is, but the question is that the church is not a legal entity, that is, legal entities are parishes. that is, 15,000 criminal proceedings must be conducted there, for example, to create them. i think that in a legal sense , it is difficult enough to talk about expulsion, a political party is a centralized institution, it was easy enough to ban it, but banning the church will certainly be extremely difficult, thank you very much ruslan khalikov, a religious expert, was in touch with us thank you for your

comment, father george i would like to hear your opinion, because for me it was, well, i'm a little shocked , frankly, because in fact we have an incredible influence on ukrainian politics, on ukrainian society, which actually led to the war. well, we cannot separate the role of the church in this war, but at the same time, we do not have the leverage to quickly put an end to this story and ban the activity, it seems that it is simply necessary to change the prices in general, i think that if there is political will, then there are opportunities, they just need to be done legally correctly well, first of all, people participate who are in contact with the fsb there? what has been proven, for example? are there people who during the last 8-9 years, yes, after the 14th year, were really public? all the statements are public so that they promote moscow’s narratives

. can’t these people be deprived of their rights? to lead a legal entity, yes, that is, see, in ukraine, it is really possible to perform religious activities without any registration, to gather with anyone, and to pray to anyone, even the patriarch of moscow yes, but i’m sorry, there are legal entities, and, for example, a person can be in a certain way limited in rights if this anti-state, anti-ukrainian activity of hers is proven. yes, this person can or the organization cannot, for example, own, rent or use historical monuments of architecture, this can be carried out by law. to be passed a law, for example, these organizations or these people will not have the right, for example, to land