well, we definitely see an absolutely different approach , we definitely also see a change in the behavior of even those politicians who, unfortunately, a few years ago were singing to the tune of moscow. it's good that they are singing differently now, because it's already bad to be on the side of evil and be on the side of the imperial barbaric terrorist russia, this is for sure well, a serious breach and in the behavior but again, i would like to emphasize that all this and further requires great, great serious work, and such work that would be coordinated from the side of the citizens from the side of the state civil society, parliamentary diplomacy, and these things need to continue to be exposed and reported to the public . but at the same time, of course, we also see certain actions of various law enforcement agencies on

the territories of various member countries, including the european union and the alliance, which allow ah, it’s better to understand who is who, and in their politics , he misinformed you because he wanted a news release, mr. ivan, but he’s not there, what should we watch with you two, or hold a news release yes, but there are five, five, seven minutes. i want to ask you about the osce, because the osce session took place, and now the minister of foreign affairs of poland , who is presiding over this organization, did not lie. to work because the russian delegation is blocking practically all decisions of the organization on security cooperation in europe, there is no possibility to exclude a country from the osce in nature . in essence, the osce is an organization that was created after the helsinki agreements, which guaranteed not violation of the borders of europe is already ridiculous because it has already been violated and the question arises and what

should we do with this institution, how can we use it so that this non-violation of borders remains a principle of international law. number of international organizations to act in accordance with their declared mandates precisely because they were conceived and created in different conditions and actually not all scenarios of possible development of events were calculated or maybe it was precisely those who conceived them who miscalculated the holidays and made it impossible to react to them , because the osce is not the only structure that is paralyzed today due to the actions of the russian federation , for example, the same security council of the united nations organization, where as we understand and where do we

explain that today e that the russian federation is actually illegally occupying a seat after it declared itself the successor of the soviet union as a member of the security council of the united nations in principle as a member of the organization in the united nations, we see that it uses the right of veto in order to maximally destroy the capabilities of the world's only global organization to respond to security threats and to the general destruction of the world agenda and world security, and we also see that a similar situation is happening in the osce and unfortunately, today only individual institutions of the osce

can be used. during its organization, but you are right when you say that it is paralyzed. you are right when you say that we have reached a certain impasse. and this means only that it means that we need a clear political will to restart such organizations, we need an understanding that today we need them to change, one must not be afraid to isolate, to throw out the russian federation, the country is an aggressor of castes, one of such organizations, it will not destroy the organizations, it will give them the opportunity to live and actually function and act, and at the same time it will force the russian federation. well, as for me, this will be part of the answer that russia should receive today, because

it must be defeated, isolated, er, as for me , completely weakened and punished, and i also hope to come later with repentance to the world, this is my recipe for how i see the solution with the russian federation, including through international organizations, we thank ivan klympush sensadze, people's deputies of ukraine, chairman of the committee for the integration of ukraine into the eu, i would agree that something should be done with russia, but redemption from russia i don't believe it. yes, i say, i can't sleep. just not that. and we went on. now we will have two guests at the same time. we had such a desire at the beginning, but then everything didn't work out because it's obvious why because it doesn't work well well not bad how maybe this is how our light works, our heat

, our electricity, and so on, we have hryhoriy plachkov , head of the state nuclear regulation inspection of ukraine and from 17 to 21 years and oleksiy kucherenko, people's deputy of ukraine, first deputy chairman of the committee on energy and housing and communal services and mr. oleksiy was still in for a very long and fruitful time as the minister of housing and communal services in ukraine and he is a specialist in all issues. we just congratulate ivan hryhoriy plachkovy and mr. oleksiy kucherenko. thank you for volunteering to talk with us on friday evening, so this phrase is for you and pad hryhoriy and mr. oleksiy that in the rada of the verkhovna rada they say that it is impossible to restore the energy systems of ukraine during the winter against the question - this is a quote from someone

. or something like that what does this mean for such a person? if it is explained in simple language, let’s start with p. grigory, please. well , first of all, we really have the eighth wave of destruction of our power system, not all equipment can be restored, so after a sunday or two sundays, a lot of equipment is damaged in our country too. there was a so-called blackout, the system was divided into islands of ukrenergo consumption and the heroic one was able to collect nuclear power units were shut down, then they went to were p- raised and they went to their capacity and we, well, you see we have a situation where the russian

federation conducts shelling disrespectfully, and i completely agree with your e-e speaker, miss knigodzu, the garden lives by this, which , unfortunately, international institutions and such as the osce and international initiative energy, unfortunately, did not work, that is why we have such a rather complex the energy situation, mr. oleksiy, is a difficult energy situation. mr. hryhoriy just told me how to translate it . how warm is all this, how much can it torpedo the ukrainian life-support system p oleksii yes thank you, i agree with you p mykola p vitaliyovych dear, what is really necessary here all these energy discussions our question i have

great respect for hryhoriy we have been communicating for a long time i am sorry what happened that he is not the head of the nuclear inspection for nuclear safety because he was an independent and objective head, this is not enough now . well, from the point of view of their needs and their expectations. and they ask simple questions: will it happen or not ? for a day, after dark, we will turn on all of them at the same time and it will disappear immediately from poltava and objective, so look, i don't quite agree, i heard this thesis, but it is a little different

. nodes, mechanisms of the power system as in generation these are the generating stations that were affected by tet , respectively, the test was affected by certain ones, and uh, in the power system in the network, ukrenergo, and there the transformers of certain dictates were affected, you really will not be able to restore it quickly. and he is us today er-er because of redundancy let's put it this way, we would really be a disaster today, today what was built there at one time with a distinctively additional reserve for the middle therefore i would still formulate the general generation capacity is enough for today and if there are no more such destructive damages because

there will be attacks, you clearly understand how ready we are, first of all, we are praying for the air defense system, this is clearly three key questions, and i can already see that they are afraid of our system, if you pay attention to the last days, we expect every day, and there the planes went up, went down, went up, looked where we were, there was light right away, our station went down, they are conducting intelligence on our location and the tactics and strategies of our air defense, this is unequivocally, but we are also taking appropriate actions to strengthen air defense and to understand the tactics of strikes, but we are returning to the power generation, now there is a huge problem - it is that the logistics of the unified energy network have been destroyed. i think

everyone understands it . the track itself is there, but its capacity will be 10 times less or five. it's the same with the electric power industry today, and that's exactly why. when they say that it's probably like this until the end of winter, you can't guarantee uninterrupted stable power supply - how is it happening now, but today there is a deficit in the system of uh, 20-30% of electricity, but it is not at the stations, you understand , the stations are ready, and you gave those capacities, the same in the power system, this is the logistics of transformer substations, and as a result, we have you kyiv

today i have some refreshing information for you. we need one and a half thousand megawatts of power in kyiv. well, it consumes so powerfully, and it is real. now they have given us thousands. conventionally speaking, that is, 2/3, or two thirds, and even if not a third, this should be limited to a third, but i immediately want to say that the population says that if it is a third, we have to consume 16 hours and not consume eight, no, it does not work like that, because first of all, never , first of all, so that the critical infrastructure is not unlocked, this is the heat supply, you understand , because there the pumps are measured and run like this on the networks so that we are not left without heat, because really with the negatives there will be a disaster, this is water, it is unconditional, you are gases without electricity, and it is also not through the pipes. it does not flow there , there is one .

the population really reaches a maximum of half of this, this half must be somehow more or less fairly evenly divided into the state of today and what will happen tomorrow well, you understand, the horizon of planning in the war is not very large, so we are waiting, but i can say one thing that today we really have the best, well , the most professional army and today we have the most professional power engineers because they do this in practice, no power engineers in any country have done this, textbooks will be written based on how our energy engineers get out of this situation from the topic what are you interested in? i have a very important energy-diplomatic question. if the president of ukraine called you and asked, the

russians say, russia is ready to leave the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant in exchange for the transit of oil and gas through ukraine. would you say which one should be done and necessarily or, god forbid , never do it? oleksiy, please, you are the first, this is such a political unconditional question, and you understand, i allow myself to assume that it can be such an intelligence you understand, the intelligence is like this, because piskov, the press secretary of this terrorist demon, denied it like today well, let me tell you, yes, in my opinion, if the russian federation leaves the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant and withdraws from the site and the military from its representatives, then for it will be the second kherson for them, and it is very hard to believe because they keep zaporizhia

zaporizhia at the power plant there, as elements as a tool of blackmail and intimidation of this world. i think that the russians will be for the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant must be held by all possible means and methods because, firstly, they use it as a military base , and secondly, they understand that our military will not liberate the nuclear power plant there with high-precision artillery or rocket missile systems, and for them, this is also for zaporizhzhia and the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant is such a shield for them, and secondly, they also hold the city of energodar satellite, where the operating staff of the weiss nuclear power plant live, practically, as well as from zaporizhzhia thermal power plant, therefore, in my

opinion, uh, well, this will be such a big loss for them, which we are all waiting for, because in my opinion, they will not keep the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant. if you hear yes, please yes, you just started, well , people heard your just with grigoriy ivanovich , i agree that there is an assessment of the real situation, i was more political then, i did not have a bioscholar because bach, but he is absolutely enough to cover the whole issue well, i am in i agree with this. zaporizhzhia station there is one of the main elements of blackmail, and not only energy, political, security , geopolitical, as you want. and they will really

stay there. it's half-flame, yes, without fire, so i think, after all, you somehow start these questions, how will society react to them, in the first place, it is not started for the authorities, that it's like without, you understand society without, oh, how, but, what if we would say in the conditions of a shortage of electricity, we said yes, god is with him, and there transits gas transits, just give us the zaporozhye nuclear plant, because we can not sit without electricity . in odesa, they switched off the street a little bit, i understand why i blocked it, because there are several houses in odesa for two days, you know, 60 hours there without light, it’s just like that, even glad in kyiv there were also people on the street, but for some reason they were not turned on these moments need to be cleaned up and extinguished not by force, but by information, it is normal to talk to people and

ensure justice, so that they are convinced that there is no situation that your neighbor has 100%, and you have 25%, because this is what annoys, by far, the first time during the war, this er, this is a pie of electricity and energy resources, what is it, it must be guaranteed, divided and fair. by the way , today the president finally responded, well, through the minister, through the national people's congress, they created a special commission that will clearly monitor, and the commission with energy regulation has all the powers to monitor these oblenergos from the point of view of fair distribution of resources. i am in favor, but only so that there are no elements or political blackmail or some kind of banal blackmail, well, commercial, you know, run over to oblenergo and then, er, put certain conditions there to buy accordingly. to give a

thumbs up, we know how, unfortunately, our inspections work. therefore, it is necessary to control that this process was really for the benefit of society, because the situation is really in the area of ​​sometimes tension, one more question in my opinion, one of the most difficult, i just talked to qualified energy engineers and they told me that when there is even a micro-threat, a nuclear threat at various nuclear power plants, the price of cooperation is what they sometimes call collaboration with the russians. this is much less evil than a nuclear explosion , and that's what it means the chief engineer of the zaporizhzhia power plant went to cooperate with the russians, what does this mean, you and i should welcome it and say, listen, he has preserved, as it were, the safety of

this station, or should we say, he is a collaborator and went to cooperate with the enemy, and his friends can be charged with treason , yes, this is a question, but from the point of view of energy, from the point of view of the security issue of zaporizhzhia, in this case, from the nuclear power plant, what should we say, what should you say, as experts p oleksiy, you know, i would be happy to suggest mr. grigoriy regarding the fact that it is safe, this is his main party. the power plant is the largest nuclear power plant in europe and even when used without military action near nuclear power plants, we have in history three such difficult cases, these are three my vaillant in the 79th year, where the core of

the reactor was melted and then the power unit was not returned to commercial use we have an example of chernobyl, the year 86, when the disaster at the fourth power unit would have happened, we have an example of the focus of the traffic police . reactors are reactors, they are under pressure regarding the cooperation of the chief engineer. well, it is difficult to answer here, because it is, after all, the law enforcement structures and the security service of ukraine should give an assessment, but hryhoriy . authorities, they will have their own point of view, of

course, they are just law violations or not violations. but what if we forgot about the presence of the sbu prosecutor’s office and anyone else there for security? i think that the zaporizhia staff nuclear power plant, it is necessary to do everything in order to prevent catastrophes at nuclear power units, and if they go for cooperation and then be able to explain it on what conditions they left and what they did, i think that over well, this is still the biggest a nuclear power plant in europe and non-project or project events can be explained by mr. hryhoriv, ​​the chief engineer of ukraine, but also to the whole world, because who will calmly move if zaporizhia is handed over to ukraine, calmly move to russia and work in rosatov to receive his salary while he was not there somewhere , then he should be left with a license. that's why i didn't

see that really the exploiting organization well, it was fired, yes, but i don't see a message from our state inspection on nuclear marketing, is it possible that he has a license or not because if well, if we look the decree of the disrespectful putin, then the actions of the license of our regulator are valid until the 28th year or until individual decisions of the regulator of the russian federation. he should also be deprived of his license to drive on the playground. and we didn't see anything like this. i am proposing this case. i propose to analyze the situation further, because it is not simple. i understand. vitaliy. he wants to immediately announce the traitor there. you did not come to announce it to you. i'm saying what will happen to a person who works for the russians, the russians, as a rule, calmly take these people to russia, me, me, then, and then, what will

happen to those who, in three days, i'm sorry, allowed the christians to fuck, this is separate, you always understand that someone speaks you are not the population, what is the territory so far correct? no, it’s simple. i absolutely agree that the territory is innocent , the population, that the territory is admired, it is even occupied in the territory, mr. oleksiyev, why is one with oleksiy yurych, because we must return to this issue of collaboration-collaborationism only after our victory, when the zaporizhia car registration will return to our regulatory control, then please, the main thing - hryhoriy ivanovich, you are listening. please tell the chief engineer - this is a powerful a figure at the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, well, this is too much the second person who makes technical decisions, the second is responsible for nuclear traditional safety on the site, the second question is there a

figure in energodar or at the station who could replace this er engineer for today er minimization of risks in terms of safety, i really don’t, not only does one person have a license to drive or to replace the chief engineer at the site of the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, it is possible that there are qualified people there quite well, and it could be well, but they are ukrainians tell me please, if they all refuse, the russians could without their own bring the varangians so that he would become a full-fledged chief engineer so that we and the risks of a nuclear explosion, there is energy somehow. to take a shift or transfer managers from the rostov kursk or balakovo nuclear power plant to bring them to the zaporizhzhya npp and everything will work without our

staff and without the knowledge of our operating staff, it is impossible everything now i have my position i know the scary situation very well. two months ago, we understood. i knew that there was such a situation . i visited the minister several times and i convinced him. well, in my view, a nuclear power plant is, first of all, an object that is nuclear, very dangerous, you understand, and this is an object. which should be preserved for the future of ukraine, it is now what works. where do you understand the population of ukraine, they are not an easy

assessment here. i don't know under which, well, conventionally speaking, to soldering irons or in basements. i know how in energodar there are basements for three days, a family is held hostage, there are harsh conversations, i know very well , and that's why i offered the minister is taking the right step if you are nuclear security objects, let's immediately adopt a law that for the personnel there is a unique staff of 11,000 people and you. if i'm not mistaken, we even consulted with grigoriy ivanka since that time, one and a half thousand these are the ones without whom this station cannot do, yes , approximately, yes, 1,235 people, licensed personnel, 1,200, i proposed herman valeriyovych as minister, i say even this is not a question of his rank. go to the presidency, because this is not an easy

question . the question is that it is impossible just like that, ivan, there is a lot of treason, and that is why i proposed for these people with a special law to give them the opportunity in the interests of the preservation of an important nuclear energy facility of nuclear safety, they do not to spread not to spread the norm of the law on cooperativeness is not difficult oleksiy kucherenko people's deputy the first to push the heads of the committee on energy and housing and communal services of the verkhovna rada of ukraine hryhoriy plachkov head of the state inspection of nuclear regulation of ukraine 17th to 21st year sorry we have more guests are important and we need to talk to them, too, for which we literally have 10-11 more minutes.

who remembers and mykola knyazhytskyi, people's deputy of ukraine, we see mr. igor, mr. mykola, and mr. mykolay, we see everyone, we see everything, okay. so , the question of the fate of the uoc mp, the council of the national event is developing with some kind of lightning speed, which means the nsdc is asking the council to ban the nsdc, this national council of security and defense of ukraine asks the council to take that uoc mp, i.e. the ukrainian orthodox moscow patriarchate, into the government , the whole story is also involved there, in short, and then the question arises, we seem to be with mr. mykola nizhinsky talked about it now. i would put igor kozlovskyi in the first place. i'm sorry . religion is separated from the state and the church from the state, like you. that is, i would even say that, but if it's true, the vast majority of ukrainians

would now say september, idiot. it should be banned .