who remembers the kremlin and mykola knyazhytskyi, people's deputy of ukraine? this council of national security and defense of ukraine asks the council to take that uoc mp, i.e. the ukrainian orthodox moscow patriarchate, into the government , the whole story is also involved there, in short, and then the question arises, we seem to be with mr. mykola nizhynskyi was talking about it now. i would put igor kozlovskyi in the first place. i'm sorry. religion is separated from the state, the church is separated from the state, like you. in other words, i would even say that, but if it's true , the vast majority of ukrainians would now say

september, idiot. it should be banned, and maybe it was. would have rights, but the one who will remain and then go to the european court of human rights will prove that the ukrainian national security and defense council, the ukrainian verkhovna rada, the ukrainian cabinet of ministers, and so on, and so on, and it really had to be closed no matter what mr. igor kozlovsky please, well, so much has started about this. we can't say that it will somehow end as we expect because the situation is really not easy . well , it turned out as it turned out, and the church is indeed separated from the state, but the state has

special mechanisms in order to regulate the life of the entire community, all of the civil society, including churches, there is a law on freedom of conscience and religious organization and there are necessary mechanisms that say that this is not interference in affairs, this is regulation itself, especially now during the war, when there is a danger, it is waiting for us in any way and including er. precisely because among those who are the leaders of the russian world. and you, that the ukrainian floating church in unity with the moscow patriarchate was really the leader of the russian world for a long time, well, this is not for anyone, er, it is some kind of

secret and they know it and in the church itself and they, uh, even these searches, which they understood, expected what they will because they have already left, but even the literature they had, which was filled with such hatred for ukraine, denial of the existence of ukraine, ukrainian identity, they did not even hide it, this indicates that they considered themselves a kind of state in the state of actions and e - for a long time they actually existed because there are mechanisms that were worked out and in the legislative field we see that the laws that were adopted, for example, the renaming of this church,

turned out to be dormant, that is, they did not work and even such laws that could also be used when we talk about hate speech are prohibited in ukraine, hate speech, incitement of enmity on religious grounds, but again, such mechanisms did not work, we heard these messages, we felt these terrible accusations of representatives of others first of all, i understood the orthodox orthodox church of ukraine and the accusation of their non-canonicity, and all this somehow or other, it was so out of the attention of the representatives of law enforcement agencies, now is the time for mykola knyazhytskyi to turn to is your opinion right, mr. ihor, who says that these are

sleeping laws, that you are a legislator, mr. mykola, and no matter how the law is? why didn’t they act then, why did they act then? there is really a lot of criticism right now, precisely from the point of view of what hello? why, it wasn’t a year ago, two years ago, three years ago, 5 years ago, someone did not know that this is the fifth column, there are such people in ukraine who did not know, and now they are such people , oh, what is really the uoc mp, they are the fifth column, and we did not know where such people are, where are they these people live in ukraine, they live in a vicious circle. first of all, i want to say that the european court of human rights this was the first question, it allows limiting the activities of public organizations, including religious ones, if they harm national security, the last precedential decision related to the case in kyiv when one of the parishes was closed here and the parishioners sued and the court recognized it , that is, the court eh obviously preserves the freedom of conscience and, firstly, but secondly, it allows

it to limit any activity of any religious public organizations, if it harms national security, human rights, it is not has nothing to do with the laws themselves, well , listen, we now have a state service, there is a customs policy that regulates religious activity, which until the last protected this church of the moscow patriarchate, why did they do it, it was the policy of the state, whether it will change now, i don't know the fact that the sbu conducts searches is good in principle, but the fact that the president instructed to prepare laws gave it two months instead of reading the law submitted by a group of people's deputies from various factions, including servants of the people, which allows limiting the activities of the russian orthodox church in ukraine, regulates, regulates that there should be not only canonical, but also no ties with the russian orthodox church, regulates respect for the tomos - that 's all, this law has been submitted, it can be adopted tomorrow, and when i they say we have to wait two weeks

, i have the impression that this is a prolongation of the process to preserve the moscow church because i was there two months ago, i did not particularly exaggerate, now regarding the role of the state i headed the committee on culture and spirituality when we appealed to st. bartholomew to constantinople with a request to provide a tomos, and it was not by chance that this happened. president poroshenko appealed. of european law from the point of view of the president who was in latvia when the president of the european country issued a decree that the orthodox church should be autocephalous. what happens after that? they turn to of moscow with a request to grant them a tomos as far as they are in spiritual unity with moscow, if moscow refuses to do this they turn to constantinople and get whether they have the full

right to exist and the state also regulates this, so i have such an illusion that the state once does not interfere in the soviet union like that they said that the state cannot restrict the spiritual needs of citizens, but it must monitor its own safety and order in the state . and why, then, to both, please, to mr. igor, mr. mykoly, it’s a habit, it’s money, it’s what, why then this necessity of restriction or did i even say that it is an exchange of insertion into some normal and legal rules of existence of the moscow patriarchate in ukraine is moving so sluggishly. why is it then, mr. igor, please? - and it consists in the fact that they had their own lobbyists in power, it is their interests, their parishioners

, and in general they really looked at the church without fully understanding its nature, and this allowed them to exist really, as i emphasize once again, as a state within a state and this is the creation of a certain myth, a certain myth about some kind of separateness, instead of actually implementing the current legislation, which says that the state has its own rights to regulate the activities of the church, on the one hand, and on the other hand, to create conditions for it to fulfill its purpose and the purpose of the church is to satisfy the religious needs of the believing citizens, not the political needs, not the social needs, namely the religious needs,

the spiritual needs. she actually created from this organization her instrument of influence, first of all, on the consciousness of citizens when you and i talk about the fact that there are cases of collaboration there, or conventionally speaking, those whom we call vata yes. and these are people who are open, have an open consciousness, they do not have such, i would say, mechanisms that would allow them to reflect, ask questions, internal questions , critical, rethink, they are open to such sermons, and uh, these parishioners, citizens of ukraine, became in fact tools, tools for so that uh-uh no longer uh russia used it papa

papa what is there what is there what is there that interfered why it can be a habit really well, i am used to going to this church, i go there and maybe they will give me a little money so that i not only he went there, but he also told those around him but don’t listen to the ukrainians. look, putin is a beautiful man, and there is a wonderful patriarch there, and everything is so good there, and here he said the epiphany. well, what is this and this one? ukraine, please. no, we remember why we had many changes until the 14th year, and it really wasn't much after the 14th. we received the tomos, and you remember a lot of hierarchs , including the ukrainian orthodox church, were ready to support it until

they began to put pressure on them. ways, but the fact that we received tomos is a very big victory, uh, another thing is that there was a lot of propaganda, tomos, thermos was called anything else there, and as a result of all this sms propaganda, society did not understand what it was and supported another president who called tomos a thermos and then after his election he awarded the order to the head of the uoc in ukraine. we all remember this too, but when the war started and when it became obvious that this was the fifth column and the current president saw it as well he reconsidered his position, i hope at least this is how it looks from the state policy now, which i fully support and began to act differently. as society thinks and that's why when this previous president took these steps, these were not popular steps, they were popular among 25%. and

now the popular among the 99 turned out to be like this. and tell mr. igor, in principle, you are talking about a lack of understanding of the nature of the church, but you do not find it strange at all that all these former i am sorry party komsomol activist who ran to party meetings at komsomolsky gave lectures there about the importance of atheism and the like, suddenly everyone became such experts in canonicity that they themselves they talked about what you see in this church. it does n't even have grace because it is outside of world orthodoxy. i see all these journalists in headscarves who only yesterday worked in party newspapers and wrote articles about how to conduct socialist competitions well. they live flew into space and there is no god there, and then they suddenly realized that here is grace and here there is no grace, and they said all this from the turnout with bleary

eyes , absolutely seriously. the orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate is not taken seriously because i take seriously these grandmothers who went to this church during the communist regime, for whom this was the most important thing, this father, and i saw these grandmothers in russia who, as their priest, transferred from the russian orthodox church to the uoc of the kyiv patriarchate before that the father was important to them, only they will communicate. and these people sincerely believe, but we will not talk about the level of their intellectual training of trust, but they have always been in the temple, and these people who directly played sports and you from their work as investigators of the kgb of the ukrainian ssr, they ran to the temples and became faithful to this church. i do not believe in this sincerity and i think that this is not nature in the church. this is a search for some other advantage, you understand, but before in the party they were looking for it, now they thought that what these priests could do to them i don't know if they will open the way to moscow.

you know it's a problem of magical thinking, and their consciousness is actually delusional, and i know these people once again set an example with these former party figures. even then, during the soviet union, they parted ways and baptized their children. baptized themselves, and then again they were leaders of atheistic propaganda spread there, this is such a thing. this is the peculiarity of the information, which also reminds me of the consciousness of criminal authorities, who, on the one hand, can kill and steal, but then he goes to the church and we were like that cases when one father came and said what should i do there, roma lived there, yes, and at night they came from business, yes, with loot, and to him

at night, so that he would forgive his sins, and he would release them to him, these sins, yes, taking a part from of this looted and this is such a moment of transformation of the church itself, when there is already only a shell, the outer clothing of the church, and the inside is actually all based on this magical thinking and the format of the same paul is used not as a blessing but as a curse, and he scares exactly them that he will, that they will curse her and that he will mourn them alive, and this really

scares them because they are two lacks. you tell me who i just remembered the beautiful russian word dovrushniki, this is mr. igor just now said just this something from one side and from the other side the outsider of the church gave mr. mykola wanted to ask very briefly they all run to this church because their god is uncle vaoputin like them they say that yak also runs to this church to be like him and be like them and be in this mafia cage, so they run there for other reasons, i don't see thank you, sir, we thank you, i have to say a woman college i saw a russian orthodox church in the suburbs of moscow the church, of course, is one of the new temples that would have been built with the money of one of the criminal authorities and the central post, this in this temple was not christ, but one of the robbers who was next to christ, do you know what the biblical scene of calvary

christ looks like? to the side, yeah, it turned out a little bit. i don't remember who these robbers are, dismas or hpp , i just don't remember, but i remember that i was stunned by the fact that the next game, the camera , moved any whim for your money. i thought, and it turns out that it is possible . it turns out that it is possible, and from this moment on, i have a general attitude towards the russian orthodox church, which is religious. i will tell you that i would very much like to invite two or three very intelligent people who are better than at least i know it’s about all these aspects about the future of the russian orthodox church as such, it’s interesting, just not in ukraine, not in russia, so where do they live, and i would really like it. in general, there is no reason to

stay in that in any way. well, this is a blessing of war. it seems to me, don’t kill, don’t steal. the patriarch of moscow, let’s all catch dimitrii lying here. no, the second one is needed, but already dimitrii ii, together with the false dmitriy ii, was in his camp. it was the camp of the so-called varyonka, while all the moscow boyars said that it was a crime, that there was a need to defend moscow from an impostor, what happened to this patriarch, he made his son, his boy, mikhail romanov, the king beautifully the founder of the dynasty, and experience corrects itself, everything is fine, if it’s the year 1613, everything has already happened several times, the finns have done such tricks several times, and i am absolutely calm when the patriarch of constantinople appointed a metropolitan who persuaded the prince of moscow to find some kind of understanding with

the west, then the moscow prince vasyl the dark one seems to have put this metropolitan in prison. i remember i went to prison and appointed one of my own who was not recognized by anyone, and that he was not recognized there for 50 years, but it is nothing, that is, i am exactly what i am for i'm calm, i can't say that i'm calm for putin with bears, lavrov. and about the church, everything will be the russian church, everything was fine . here dan was already stopped here, yes, what could we do? yes, we wanted to heal your souls, they well, listen, all these members of the holy synod of the current russian orthodox church, let's be honest, they are agents of the state security committee, it just turned out to be worse than i could about think about him. i always think that it was about a

westerner. once upon a time he was considered so pro-european. he also built some bridges with the vatican there. i remember that i came to the elm to the beautiful church of adehydri, one of the best to the mongolian churches e- in russia and there, it means that a gentleman lived in this trailer who restores this church himself all the time, just, well, he is enthusiastic. yes, then such a thing was popular in russia at the beginning of the 90s. inside this castle, i will show you, and what is the metropolitan , the metropolitan is kirill of smolensk of kaligrat. he says well, we need to fly, we just steal all the money that the church somehow allocates for the restoration of this temple, that is, i think that he was modern because he differed from those of his colleagues in that he understood in time how to earn all this money people as metropolitan

philaret of kyiv said when he was the future head of the kyiv patriarchate, they were people of the old tradition of oleksii ii juven and all this hop company himself philaret is not there. what is he stealing in a wagon, the truth is, he walks by himself, we see him, yes, the first one is like putin . that’s how the chekists realized that you can steal millions by billions, that’s how kirill understood, that is, all these times, then here is this boat. i sometimes see photos of him arriving on the plus such as these, as if he were romana bramovych, all this passion for money in a monk, of course, you can give a passion for women, which many of these hierarchs have, but these women are just ordinary people, they are engaged in games there, you can understand the passion for choristers. yes, there is such a thing there is also such a thing. so when a monk, who in principle can

not have property, has such a passion for a luxurious life, money, ships, gold, watches, this is, of course, a person of a new formation , a new one, because there was no such thing in principle, that is, all these people are of course they lived well even during the time of the russian empire, but they at least realized that they are monks, that they are in the first place, because you give today it's just a state job, they are state employees - it's a synod there, uh, the king basically takes care of the church, they are state employees, they they have everything there at the level of civil servants, and cyril presents himself just like putin. why can they get along? that is, you want to say that the church is like the state, but in the state, if putin comes and steals everything that is around and his friends steal, then the church is separation - mirroring and you steal, so i can embellish it, unfortunately, it is part of the orthodox symphony and it is

such a specific orthodox church, but the romanian church, in one way or another, is in the understanding of its own state about stajmutska the state is different from the russian and bulgarian states, it is different in every orthodox country, the quality of the state is quite serious, like the church, so the greek orthodox church of yelets is a completely different truth. well, because it is a church of a small european state of the european union, nato, it takes care of its territory, it does not have of these gigantic tasks, and constantinople, which in fact has the rank of first among equals, is already a different church, despite the fact that it is, as it were, the same greek church, and it can be georgian for a long time, another here-and-there church of the nation, but the church of the nation and when

you go to the church, you see georgia there, and in the russian temple you see the empire, the empire, and what did kirill do. by the way, when he became the patriarch of moscow, he was all about the throne. i think that this gave putin quite a serious blow. so you say that this is the state like a church or maybe the church like a state is a symbiosis, he put up all the flags of the cis member countries, well, that is, there is everything mine everywhere, and putin is like this putin looks at it i think this pindik with a beard who is he even he is not even a major kgb yes and he sits on his own thrones. and he has the flag of ukraine behind him. i was always very curious if they were a probaret. he has now removed the flag of ukraine. he does not have such a flag in belarus. the flag of kazakhstan is all because the russian orthodox church comes everywhere. he thinks so. he gave them russian orthodoxy and

autocephaly to the orthodox no one admits this to the church of america, but they believe that they are the mother church for the orthodox church of america, they have an autonomous orthodox church in japan. incredible well, of course, when kirill has such ambitions, putin thinks well, who is my boss? no, i don’t want to end it, we literally have one minute left now, but i love this story very much. after the great october so-called revolution, everyone didn’t love god and appeared in the magazine magazine godless godless there are a million in the 43rd year they restored the patriarchy and where the magazine bezbozhnik was published, the magazine moscow patriarch appeared in one second moscow patriarch in one second the fonts themselves and everything is so beautiful absolutely this is history

remarks yes yes well, what will we say goodbye, she will get rid of the adaptation together with you, dear friends. especially since you have the canonical orthodox church of ukraine, you can visit it wherever you are. war is scary for you, a page in the history of our country, an experience that changes life and people who return from war change, it accumulates inside accumulates accumulates and then it is just like a glass of water that then everything starts to pour out however, the main thing is to start living a new life, not to be

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