and over the past, and our assessment, our attitude , i don’t know us, our sailing in the past also largely determines our future, at the same time, if we have already immersed ourselves a little in history, today is a solemn day , 300 years since the birth of our glorious hryhoriy savich skovoroda, so it is possible to do it differently now characterize. i think that our colleagues did it extremely well in our story, although the story is actually not only about this . in the kharkiv region, it somehow not only strengthened, but somehow shone with a completely new light. let's look at a small plot and continue our conversation on the roof, and it instantly caught fire. fragments of an enemy projectile and the remains of the museum scattered hundreds of

meters around. the very walls and those standing are burnt this is the place where she entered she came here and this is where she entered at a fast angle and flew excuse me for the burned linden trees, but the most valuable exhibits managed to save and bring out the things that he held in his hands, the clock, the violin of the pravitskyi family, etc., the chest from the kovalivskyi family, all this has been preserved, and most importantly, the statue of grigory savych, which used to greet guests, has been preserved in the fire. at the entrance to the museum, only water has washed off the top layer of paint a little it is being prepared for the exhibition in kyiv, the plaster is completely undamaged, it is an emulsion paint that peels off with water, but it is not such a valuable layer

, and accordingly, the sculpture itself is not damaged in this case, so that they will not leave his ears and the park where came together for the holidays with the whole region to rest. now the gate for visitors is closed, and after the terrible explosion, many local people left straight away, and it was a bad minute today. well, i was just thinking that we have no military facilities here, so they were specially sent to museums and the museum itself are confident that they will be able to restore everything, our museum hryhoriy savych skovoroda will be popularized even more, that is, there will be even more people here, even more positivity and energy, and all the more so after the renaissance of our museum. i think you and we will come and feel

this energy together with you. currently, money for restoration is being collected by a special fund to preserve ukrainian culture, and also ukrposhta is selling stamps until the 300th anniversary of the birth of skovoroda, and the proceeds will be sent to restoration, according to preliminary estimates, more than 100 million are needed hryvnias from kharkiv to the espresso tv channel, i want to thank you for this extremely important plot, on the other hand, we understand that the pan managed not only to unfold or direct certain i don't know there intellectual corridors, he managed. how strange it is to remain a decent person, to remain a ukrainian during the time of the empire, that is, he had many opportunities, in particular, to realize himself, well, he did not do this in the capitals, he came back like this, and, for sure , the key point is that he was proud of himself, this is also not the last story very often you know, this is such an

underrated internal feat from the other side. well, for example, many people threw something at him. i can only join our no less glorious, it is always nice to hide behind to cover oneself with the authority of taras hryhorovych shevchenko criticizing the frying pan is exactly what is needed, this was our diogenes, if he had not composed his vinaigrette songs, it would have been better taras hryhorovych shevchenko from the novopetriv fortification 1855 rostyslav ughletsky reflect together with the frying pan and on the frying pan and today is iconic day i love savich as in the end each of us in a special way hryhoriy savich stands alone in the history of world culture and philosophy unique in all parameters for myself i formulated this this about a man who knew heaven and earth, to speak

the presence of god and to enter among people and to preach, to outline and to teach, it was really necessary to be able to translate it into our language of the time, this is a unique communicator, a genius of communication and an understanding of the scale of time and space. even then the understanding of what and what kind of figure it was in europe and in the empire at that time, that is, proposals, we cannot know everything for sure. then there was no such information technology, everything in europe was obviously to lead some kind of consultation, yes, kateryna i have already seen him, as they say, potemkin is the second or something. he refuses this, clearly understanding his mission and how to carry it out, despite the fact that soviet propaganda made him such a

little weirdo, meaning a naked boss from a bag, not quite like that, skovoroda clearly understood what he needed in life and valued things, the story about the watch is very revealing, he will be handsome here too, yes , this is my favorite story about the watch, because for some reason no one emphasized it to me, i like to explore the details, the same with shevchenko that he was one of the richest people at the end of their lives, too, everyone was surprised at once to fail, and so there were such things about the pan of old that he conveyed the meaning of the flute, silver-plated, a unique attitude to food and consumption, good wine, french cheese , parmesan that was brought to him, and many such details and nuances that reached some of us with some good fantasies or vagaries, but we understand that this is what happened and this watch in chornykh , a watch that later became a sports holiday for kovalensky, i

analyzed that this watch belongs to grigory yasevich i in a few years or a dozen years after its appearance on the planet at all, what does it say, let's translate it into our language. that is, it is absolutely valuable, well, at the level of some uh, park of cars or something else. that is, it is about time for him. chronos is very important and he he has what he needs, which means honestly, the watch is clear, which appears, which can be near you, that is, here he is very precise and thoughtful, and here are a few things that are important to him, there are some things that are not important to him at all, he can ignore something, we can only model the fact is that all this is an elusiveness for the world. he continues. we do not have a clear image from the colorado, so we have one portrait that was allegedly painted by skovoroda, and that one was somehow transformed. for the world,

this is the closest analogue - it is shakespeare. we understand very well that this is not the shakespeare that we are told about, it is also some, maybe several, but in this form skovoroda has absolutely his own story. this is how you present yourself to the world, where you are not you can catch him, but you perfectly understand the scale and significance of the figure and his thoughts and his meanings for each of us, that is his effect , and there is one more expovorodo, that is, he essentially defeated the empire then, well, at his level, yes , that is, he refused he died like that, preferably with a smile, he died in peace where he wanted to live. this is an important story because i don’t want to immediately compare it with the story of mykola vasilievich gogol, our brilliant collaborator, i don’t know how to do it right now. to fit into the context of ukrainian understanding due to the

russian aggression of skovorod, i am talking about skovorod, yes , this is his method, uh, he falls into the most difficult period for ukraine, this is when the empire is already angry, and this all means that he is not worried and cossacks everything-everything-everything he does this is relevant for us now. he travels from village to village from lord to lord in different locations and he sets up markers. he knows all the languages ​​of the time . he speaks all the languages ​​of the time. composes everything that is possible for a person and conveys what becomes the foundation of things that are quite abstract but also understandable to the simple and educated, and this is what keeps a person and for her these meanings are built, she understands who she is, where she is from and why she lives and how to live it was important and he exhibited it and the next one was taras

hryhorovych who exhibited it and we are on these on these pillars, we hold on to it, we don’t refer to it all the time so well, just so in conclusion, so to speak, i don’t know oda’s philippics or just an effort somehow there to react to the greatness of grigory skovoroda, just to remind that gogol suffered, gogol suffered from the fact that he could not or did not have the opportunity to repeat the path of skovoroda, because he did not die where he wanted, he did not live his life exactly as he wanted, and about gogol's last years and his thoughts are difficult, i think we know it well, but this is not the topic of today's conversation, yes, maria makivchuk, you are a person who knows another aspect that is extremely important, yes, that is, this is the white side that we wanted to talk about, yes, we are , after all, it is a failure, black from white, we understand what it is about it is about the white side, our strength at one time, it was in

verkhovyna that i had an extremely interesting and short conversation with a person who asked the hutsula why ukrainians always return home, and this is actually an extremely important story - it is about our strength and about our specific difference from nomads, yes that is, nomads come, burn if they can, then colonize, if not, they move back. and ukrainians are like settled tribes, like settled people . they always return home, and it is much wider. a lot of people have left, but people always return to their homes, whether in kharkiv region or kherson , etc. and so on. i want to say, first of

all, thank you for the fact that we are holding this forum via carpathians, i and it is in the verkhovyna region, he was, he was founded, and i hope that already in a peaceful ukraine, we will continue to hold it precisely in the verkhovyna region and in kryvorivna, and that's why eh come to us on a lot of internally displaced persons have come to the hutsul region since the beginning of the war, due to the fact that our carpathian region is very attractive, and due to the fact that it is quite safe there, people knew where to go and they came, or they told us that knowing culture, they talked about how deep is our faith in our traditions and in our and in our culture. i want to say that the war is now. it united ukrainians

culturally and linguistically because the people from the eastern parts of ukraine who came to us said that they felt that power and that uh-uh, so to speak, self-identification a ukrainian , a cultural ukrainian who needs the ukrainian language and who needs to continue rebuilding and continuing these traditions and our culture. we have er in verkhovyna. we help people. which has a population of 30,000, more than 10,000 internally displaced persons have passed, but we are already the ones who have already remained, you are on the internally displaced persons, are they on you as it happens? that is, we change together, we improve together, but we have a

foundation, a foundation. this is a tradition and culture and the fact that hutsuls cannot be taken away from us, and because it is precisely this hutsul culture that our ancestors have handed down to us from time immemorial, and we young people are also continuing this, and since the beginning of the war, people have been self-organizing in order to to visit cultural and artistic places, we are lucky to have a business trainer, coach oksana voroni , she created such a community verkhovyna our second home, where for two months people simply organized themselves and went to famous places, famous museums in order to get to know the hutsul culture and during these visited them, a transformation was taking place inside , people felt that this is not what is the difference, this is what we need to keep and this is what we need to maintain in ourselves, and then it is easier for them all of us and

to win back our country, i want to say that culture is now what helps ukrainians to move forward. and a psychologist and yoga, as well as various cultural events - this is acting , this is art therapy, this is an art school, this is an art film weekend, and it is precisely at this, at these events, that we bring people closer to culture, to art, to that that people discover themselves and get to know our modern ukrainian artists, e.e. directors, those people who invest in culture now because we need to change this inferiority complex among us ukrainians , sometimes it happened that we thought that we were not good enough,

not good enough, not smart enough , not cultured enough, and then this is the second dangerous moment, you understand, so we have to somehow pass between the squeamish charybdis, in particular, between inferiority and samodos and narcissism, so now i will steal from mykola knyazhytsky this saying which he always uses it because stanislav vincents once said that if you love your own, you should love someone else's, as well as petro shekery, a well-known hutsul writer, said that only those who value and love their own we can go to meet the new, that is, if we do not love our own, if we do not know our own, how can we love someone else's, and it's not about narcissism. and it 's about consciousness, it's about love, and it's about cordocentrism , the representative of which was hryhoriy savych skovoroda, so when we talk about the politics of russification, we should understand so it's not about a decade

it's not even about ani lorak. but i don't know about the dungeons and this or that there play to other russian cultural agents, it's not about antiquity. now we're tied up. well, because we had no other choice in the great civilizational war that's going on more than 3 hundred, more than three hundred years, yes mykola knyazhytsky, look, we touched on extremely important stories, talking about gogol and the same feofan prokopovich, but still, now we are coming to this. this is such a certain watershed. this is the 17th century, because now we started fill the ukrainian orthodox church not only with tomos, so to speak, but with specific institutional capabilities , let's not confuse it with the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, and accordingly, it is about

various civilizational things and about certain mechanisms or institutions, i don't know about strengthening or vice versa control over this church matter and not to hear mykola a little book of something oh yes yes so briefly touched on gogol, first of all let me say that i do not consider gogol a collaborator of the sverstyuk event, it is not for nothing that he wrote books about him, he simply lived in a period when collaboration happens when there is a clash when there is a war at the time when he lived unfortunately ukraine was already colonized the cossack times passed the first half of the 19th century ago he was really an unfortunate person as antin absolutely rightly said but an extremely talented extremely talented ukrainian who was forced to survive and look for a better place to look for opportunities for his realization, but i do not think that he was a collaborator. well, if you read the various editions of taras bulba here, so to speak, i am surprised

that they were not introduced to the russian leaders ecclesiastics this book because there are such paragraphs, so to speak, and arcs, for sure uh, he could have written them. well, well, the edition that he insisted on was censored in russia, and taras bulba added words about uh, love for russia, for mother russia to everything else, so it is difficult to say what actually happened, we really saw different editions of taras bulba, we are now talking about something else if we talk about answering questions about the church directly, we finally have in principle, since we are integrating into europe, make european choices the european choice foresees and the european court of human rights directly states that any public organizations and institutions that become a threat to national security have the right to be banned, therefore the russian orthodox church in ukraine should obviously be banned, as well as its branches and organizations. the so-called uoc mp can of course

to exist they cannot be called orthodox without the consent of constantinople and without the consent of the ptzu because if you look at poland in poland one orthodox church of catholic churches can be a few depending on the rites, but all of them recognize the pope in the end, just as orthodox churches are orthodox that call themselves orthodox but are not canonical, such a story also happens. so it is obvious that the russian orthodox church should be banned immediately and influence to bring order with the tomos order in the state to stop this, this, this, this intellectual value on an influential sabbath, which russia here did this here and which conducts through the russian orthodox church in ukraine, we know that these steps began on the level of the security service of ukraine and obviously i welcome these steps, we have submitted a draft law that says about the banning of the rpc in ukraine and about the recognition of the tomos about the fact that there should

be one church, we insist that it be adopted, we know that the president has things in the cabinet of ministers to develop another project, i don’t fully understand why, because it will take two months to develop. he then gave us two more places to accept us. the project is already there. there is no need to talk about this issue. this project does not limit freedom of speech in any way, because if they want to join the ptu, be please way open if they want to create another church that is not subject to moscow, the way is also open - it is absolutely their choice, and the state must defend itself and act according to european norms. well, ivan stepanovych mazepa would have laughed, that is, in fact, we are experiencing historical moments, although we understand at what price it is given to us and we understand that the war is far from over. rostyslav derzypilskyi is an extremely important moment, how should we properly present it in order to represent ukrainian

culture at the present moment in the world, that's what i wanted i would like to read oksana zabuzhko an extremely eloquent, interesting and interesting remark, that is, i wanted to say a phrase, but in fact, the observation is extremely deep. ukrainians are now translating , issuing, inviting, holding microphones, correspondence, not because we are so beautiful, intelligent and talented, but because our country, unexpected for everyone, piled up in front of the one in front of which the whole world has been shaking since the 45th year, it is the armed forces of ukraine now doing a promotion for us all to lesya ukrainka on the london stage, including us ukrainian artists, writers, journalists, etc. the direct beneficiaries of the victories of our army to whom we are in debt up to our ears until the end of our days and accordingly this is an extremely important reflection and accordingly we are in debt, i.e. representatives, so to speak, of the cultural and artistic intellectual environment of one

or another environment, how should we do it correctly , how actively and how the main thing for us to work is with the world cultural community, the cultural public , rostyslav derzhypilsky, if possible, a problem with communication, yes. well, nothing surprising, so we understand what is being done with energy and communication then well, rostyslav luzhetsky, we are already here, and mr. rostislav and mr. mykola spoke about this, an important point of emphasis. the fact is that practice shows that when we tell a european audience about all these events or about our efforts to present to the audience, it is not perceived at all it is clear and how paradoxically it turned out that just after buchi, i did it for attention that any conversation on any topic with

europeans or in the world context begins with a demonstration of photo and video materials from the chronicles of these animals, it's just science, we just put these older photos or these videos on the wall and then we start talking about a different perception well, it seems to us that everyone there knows everything, no, it all just passes by, when they see it on a large scale, they react in a completely different way. they approach i say, i understand now. and here i was running around with this idea that at first it was summer, that at the end of the day ukraine had to make a large-scale project in the center of the pomp of france itself with large-scale canvases of these beasts and other contexts in a complex we will pay someone cunningly, but it must be shown to the whole world for six months, the whole world in the center of modern art must look at it, listen and see differently with these small accents, we do

the work but she becomes she, she talks, she falls in love, all this hydrashe sits there and this blow they are afraid of such blows and these permanent ballets and others that come out. well, we are there, this one, here we are here, we are hungover here, prokopiv is here, tchaikovsky is like that. in the end, the vatican should see this on a large scale, but actually it can be done with visual artistic means, and it is not difficult and it does not cost much, not only that, we are financed, we simply cannot now formulate it at the state level, but our ministry of culture for some reason thinks that if we are somewhere there, something a little bit in such a club, we will show this one in this gallery or another one, it works like that, they yes, sometimes it is sweetened for reporting, make an effort to show it on a planetary scale, it should be like this, 50 by

60 meters, a photo from buchi will give an effect that is not will give 125 conversations about it in what small circles will give it, the whole world must watch it, it must be scary, it must understand what kind of tragedy it is and what is happening. yes, this is the third world and you are all there in it, you are not, you are not out, there will be peace and we will well , no, you are already reaping the fruits and until we suppress this hydra , nothing will change for you, first of all, because we, our armed forces, pay with blood and life for you to understand this. yes, this is an extremely important remark of rostislav, thank you, we understand what that is that they arranged this on our land the collective silver is also they are preparing for other genocidal practices and the world really should see at the same time at the same time in us i am so between two rostislavs or there are two poles each rostyslav luzhetskyi rostyslav derzypilskyi well, accordingly,

i would like to have problems with communication so a quote from oksana zabuzhko extremely extremely good reflection that we, in particular, are talking about the artistic and intellectual environment. luhanskyi has now noted the need to scale these videos and other visuals. i don't know any examples of work, mr. derzypilskyi, how can we properly open the eyes of the world with the help of art? forgive me for such brutal instrumentalism . communication problems, what i will say is very brief, do you understand

that the broadcast is ending? that is, what art concerns what concerns we must show the world and what happened clearly that concerns art i would not like it because unfortunately, in my opinion, there are already examples when low-class groups or products go abroad let's say so and only because of that that it is ukrainian, it should be accepted there, but i would like it because there is a great danger. in my subjective opinion, have you lowered the bar for me? we really have literature. well, literature is cool, brilliant, and which is both modern and which was the same stefanyk and lesya ukrainian woman and well, all this and we must do it very actively. that is, we now have a chance both within ourselves and in the middle of the country of nations, a historic chance, as mykola knyazhytsky said, to never allow this russian

propaganda again, and we have a unique chance for propaganda in a good sense, the popularization of our ukrainian content, literature, art , theater, music, painting. but in our country, he is simply rich. therefore, now i am, well, they are always a terrible patriot of the actual cultural front. i think that the state at the highest level should now drop to make every effort so that we flood our ukrainian culture in europe with our high-quality ukrainian culture, and an example of this is the work of rostyslav derzhypilskyi in particular. for which we thank him so much. europe has butterflies not just ukrainian art or ukrainian this or that cultural space, but quality is the key a word, unfortunately, the time has passed imperceptibly, so,

well, two more hours, we could reach some final positions, unfortunately, i have to close our today's panel, we talked about ukrainian culture during the war, the first day of the via carpathian forum, which is currently taking place in lviv, well, in a somewhat unusual format, but we understand what it is connected with, the war is going on, and we now have to analyze similar things in a proper way. i would like to thank the form of the central and eastern and the organizers are the all-ukrainian democratic forum, the verkhovyna flower of the carpathians, frank house in lviv, and of course the espresso tv channel. makivnychuk to mykola knyazhytskyi and rostislav derzhypilskyi. and on this tv audience, i would like to say, watch espresso