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i greet you dear tv viewers on the air of the tv channel espresso program, studio event, we will analyze the most important events of this week, both visible and not obvious, the analysis will be conducted by general alyur musaev and political scientist andriy pyankovsky, now our guest will be general el nur musaev, former head of the national security bureau of kazakhstan , ex-adviser of the president of kazakhstan on matters of national security. glory to ukraine, mr. generals . i welcome you to the studio of the espresso tv channel. the key question is the visit. the strange visit of president tokayev . how can it be called a delusion that on the one hand part of people and experts believe that such a

pure pro-russian politician seeks to embrace on the other side of russia, it is another misconception that he has a cold attitude towards putin and the quality of russia’s test interaction, both opinions are of this kind, and in my opinion, such a mistake is fedka’s independent policy today, one cannot say that she is a pro -russian client of russia she is very vector like he is for many years in relation to the international plan , so he is talking about some kind of direction in that direction . at that meeting, and russia - kazakhstan, uzbekistan. i

think that both the state and kazakhstan will not accept this proposal because central asia today seeks to bypass the territory of russia by all means in the supply of resources . european states, on the initiative of the european union, are conducting an intensive study of everything along the route of oil supply to europe and the current direction is promising, it is very important to bypass these as they say, repeated sanctions against states that can somehow help

to elect, bypass sanctions in many questions, therefore, there is no clear-cut such movement. such a one is in the direction of russia and, uh, today, there it raises that uh, the defeat of russia in the war with ukraine days have passed and he, like many other states in turkey, the european union, pursues this policy in the interests of their own state, but they, mr. general, but on the other hand, we remember very well how lukashenko tried to implement a similar policy, talking about multi-vector and so on and so on, then everything ended with complete russian control over the republic of belarus and the current strange death, if not to say the murder of the minister of foreign affairs of the republic of belarus, makeya also raises a lot of questions, well, first of all, it is necessary to dwell on the

personality of vladimir makeya, this is a person most closely related to lukashenko, as we know it , i am probably coming today, eh, the leader of lukashenko's circle, who was not afraid to communicate with him, he was very close to practically, when we look at the relationship between the various defense ministers of the kgb byelorussian internals make others, er, your structures, we see how much these leaders are afraid of lukashenko, they cannot return him or express their own opinion, this is clearly visible in all the examples. of the leaders around the dictator,

she is absolutely not independent and cannot claim any independent political movements. he is not loyal to lukashenko, or purely about western positions, he had a corresponding position, and he had a european direction, but this is absolutely not what he did not talk about. - on the old russian federation of putin and all the power structures of russia, and you know, in my opinion, mackey is very similar to ours, he is also the former

minister of foreign affairs, and he built a relationship with deputy nazarbayev. were building a alliance with lukashenko, this is noticeable and in my view from russia's position, this is a certain non-slippery, of course, narrowly focused independence and positive attitudes of lukashenko, when lukashenko , the selection of mackay from the entire environment certainly greatly alarmed putin rokyan i think that oh-oh-oh in what - perhaps on the eve of the defeat against ukraine, russia putin today is thinking about the post-

war period, first of all, of course, russian. in kazakhstan, they were not very interested in the post- war period after the partnership, as well as in kazakhstan, vladimir makey would apply for the post of leader of belarus. for putin, this is certainly a terrible option. this is already happening, so russia was primarily interested in making sure that makey did not continue to influence lukashenko in any way. uh, this tandem between lukashenko and marky is broken, and this is the main reason, perhaps, the fruit perished. vladimir makeya dear mr. generals.

tools were used not only during the time of the medici yes, but also much earlier in the current situation we understand how many different chemical laboratories there are, so to speak, and the story with the newcomer is a certain proof of this from the other side as far as i understand the key task in the current situation if poisons are used against powerful influential world players is to make death look natural this resulted in several deaths of positional politicians in russia and attempted murders of the same mass put a more serious stamp on the methods of terrorist activity of the special services of the

russian federation. eh, they are conducting russian politics, and in the future , they will be able to occupy some serious political positions. they, er, are recognized as objects, such an attempt is impossible now, today, it is impossible to mark the possibility of the murder of vladimirov makeev by the special services of russia, especially since the special services of russia in belarus are completely free to

have the easiest contacts with the kgb of the belarusian ussr, not that they influence the committee gosbezopasnosti belorussia, guided by the ministry of defense of belorussia, with other good structures in these conditions, it is absolutely easy, easier than on the territory of russia, such a terrorist will dry up . and this is the most likely version of a moron vladimir makeev, how the protocol regarding such threats works in general, we understand that the leaders of not only belarusians, not only kazakhstan are similar, in particular , we are talking about president tokaev, but also, first of all, representatives of the ukrainian political community and

possibly the polish political community. и их очень много. took place in kazakhstan in 2008, fsb officers carried out an attempt on me in the park here, these documented facts found a lot of this not in the austrian and european press, that is, the russian special services are always asking. uh, europe, central asia, inside uh, russia, and you won't get anywhere from this, this uh, activity will continue

. just as in belarus, kazakhstan, of course , there is an extensive network of uh, russian agents - this is reliably known to the special service, and unfortunately, the countermeasures of this er agent network are carried out by our special services quite sluggishly, and i would say that the prospect of er knowledge is much more expanded, and otherwise what you are talking about, anton, is an attempt on various figures of the neighboring country of russia who are not satisfied with the russian federation in one or the other world, hence his ambiguous behavior of our presidents of the central asian republics, the attitude of russia

is of course afraid, of course there is a threat such a powerful terrorist influence on them personally, on their attempt on their lives in such a situation. i think that the role of such er private structures like dude wagner, others exist in russia. and the taxi drivers are in such private structures, this is a threat to russia, and i think that they should take some measures, but unfortunately, the control of the russian state will say in the afternoon, that is, the handwriting is falling every day

there are such structures of precisely such a chauvinist terrorist direction that are already largely uncontrolled by the russian leadership, the russian state, the fsb, toxins, as we know, are under control and today tomorrow, this is a laboratory that is in the structure of the fsb is located, you can say, in the hands of other people of such a terrorist plan already threatened, well, we just saw this revealing moment when the prigozhinites sent a bloody sledgehammer to the european parliament and this in fact, it is an extremely serious story, i.e. the prigozhin group, a criminal group, a

terrorist group, which is involved in the war against ukraine. it also appears on the european market , so to speak. very often you have to hear that there are russian security forces or russian hawks and so on who control the situation, first of all we are talking about patroshev and bortnikov and maybe how the classics would say, joining the windows on the ryzhkinan tour, which had complete and extensive power over all of

russia. вы этой устройство, these are the terrorist structures that, at one time, were flattered and warmed up by vladimir putin, and they are not now recognized as a more serious threat to destabilization when всё внутри российской федерации and here are these facts there with this sledgehammer. with these proses of the beauty in the address of the united states of america that he will cut their computer system, they will not only penetrate it, but also how he said. - it is prigozhina in order to enter the international arena, this is his personal desire and it is absolutely not controlled

by the russian federation's own structures. ukraine is africa, and you should not go there, and that is exactly what you should say, first of all, putin himself and the fsb, however, they no longer have enough non-actual levers of influence on these terrorist structures, and this is a more serious threat, first of all for russia, ukraine will definitely cope with this war and we will not pass it, and it is visible in all parameters and the threat of human

activity inside russia of course, today it is very high international rent is only pr to increase its status inside russia the second one was simply always thought that the same patrushev was much more powerful and could use some of his unconventional means to influence the prigogs because the mechanism in the fsb is much more powerful than that of putin's chef, many in the sector believe that patrushev has influence over bordnikov's fsb and opportunities are greater than those of prigozhina, however, today this is not the case if putin himself cannot reconcile this with these independent international actions of prigozhina in the international arena

and within the country, at the front, criticism is directed at the ministry of defense, which came out of his mouth and the attack on the fugitive in st. petersburg, says that the strengthening of terrorist structures is growing within these and today, if they do not take action, it means that it will spread like a cancer, and it will continue to develop like a cancerous tumor. putin, no, he himself is a hostage of that internal and external policy that he himself unleashed and released this genie from the bottle, uh, in the form of a chef, his former chef, now, in my opinion, this is not

under the control of the president of the russian federation, this is a difficult situation for russia. putin wants to use this confrontation to untangle internal disputes in his bunker, and on the other hand, we understand that in russia this or that open coup does not happen with the use of, i don't know, these or other toxins because of that that putin is paranoid about his own security is nothing surprising, the story about his so-called fecal suitcase that follows him from the other side has already become a legendary story distance, he communicates with his closest allies, the threat of personal security is more likely to be defense, it looks like it is with this personal security, the demand, it says that the power

structures are dealing with the demand, there is a state coup today, it is very unlikely that we talked in the previous conversation about the forces of the same fsb, other special services, their influence on political life in russia has weakened today, they can organize some countermeasures to other forces, the same let's say a parishioner, er, some generals of the ministry of defense, the same kadyrov, they are interested in putin's security, er, they need putin today, they see his weakness, and do not see their strengthening of their own self, and with his hands, they support er, their own growth, their

own influence on political life three sides and as we see already and outside the russian federation in these conditions the threat of such a coup d'état in relation to putin there is no and various structures feel that putinism in russia is suffering a major defeat, they are trying to wait for this translation, many have heard that many influential political figures have left russia from the front, if so kudrina is people who have been forced out of the country who will be able to prevent the influence of all these

hawks. what do you call them? those slightly directed people who surrounded and embraced putin from all sides today. putin is in such a cocoon that they are in. will be blown to one side or the other by the desire of many political circles of russia for some kind of peace negotiations to end the war with ukraine, they will be torpedoed in every way by these hawks and terrorist -directed political figures, and even putin if would like some kind of real negotiations on a-a restoration of relations with ukraine, and i would like to call on my troops,

i don’t think so, in my opinion, there is no time to change this direction, although it would be a salvation for him and the capitulation of defeat in ukraine will be the cause of his political and possibly physical death, all this is very much what is being waited for in the whole world and in russia is being waited for and here in kazakhstan is being waited for . will disappear or something of course after the capitulation here are these here military terrorist structures will certainly be able to seize power signs for this there are three meats to this noticeably in all directions will they be able to do it simply

it's big and difficult to predict, that general would like to ask you how do you see the current hit of the deployment of a military operation in the coming month, and what kind of victory over ukraine , not putin, not russian politicians, they don't talk anymore, they dream, even the russian army stands up in such a defense they are building in crimea a reversible missile system in the donbass in the luhansk region, fearing another offensive of the armed forces of ukraine everything in this situation is the armed forces of ukraine

, so by all parameters, if you talk about how it looks from the outside, it is clear that the defeat of russia is precisely one side, the second side, you correctly said that the entire military potential of the russian federal church will be to continue the entire mobilization, they will arm the subjects with the remnants of the weapons that they still have, and the front on the territory of ukraine, so they will expect such a sudden thing that it is not necessary here, but most likely , in my opinion, there will be another one in the winter the company will have another success of the ukrainian armed forces in various directions , and we will not guess here how it is said that these

successes will already be seen by everyone, including the russian federation, they see the problem of supplying the armed forces of ukraine, the most pressing issue today and who owes that, but it is not only a corner of the military leadership. well , it is a corner of europe, children, so that is why it will be difficult to predict what tomorrow will be there , but in the future, it is definitely a war. it will be the end of the armed victory of the forces of ukraine on the russian army, thank you, generals, for this honest conversation on the espresso tv channel, and i want to remind our viewers that general elmur musaev, the former chief of the national security committee of the republic of kazakhstan, the

former adviser to the president of kazakhstan on national affairs , worked for them political scientist andrii piontkovskyi, who is in washington, is in touch with us for security reasons. glory to ukraine, andrii andriyovich. i welcome you to the studio of the espresso tv channel. heroes of glory. good evening, anton bukharetskyi. this is an extremely important story. nato secretary general jenstoutenberg said that after the victory, ukraine will be able to join the north atlantic alliance. at the same time, we understand that it is possible that the final consultations took place there, in particular, it is about the delivery of the next batch of fundamentally new heavy weapons , so president macron decided take off to washington what do you think is happening now? well, i agree with you, it was very important.

the dnipro sounded, waiting for the inquiring drivers, statements, well, which would have been unexpected a few days ago, and i liked that there is a road there, especially one phrase he said that the whole world understood, but how would he be embarrassed to say a rumor, and here he did it. he said that to their western society, he said yes, we have difficulties, you wouldn't be there, we pay the son, but we pay the price in money, and ukraine pays the stage with blood, and they didn't stop, here i continue, if ukraine joins and putin withdraws, we will have to pay более вышочно цену мне заказ что нам пидется платье кровью но этом было выло месяция высовывания выставка donets admitted that ukraine protects the son of its incredible victims of heroism through western hearts