china is now, well, actually russia, and russia must be thrown out, you all know. something must be done, but the chinese were a country that, er, sentin held a meeting with the president of the united states, because according to the norm, they discussed the issue of competition, the issue of cooperation, that is, definitely not china. well, it is obvious that if china will take such a distant position, how does it want to do it, which is actually in our war russia against ukraine, so far in favor of russia, the chinese position in favor of russia is enough, and it is not known what they are carrying in these transport planes are read and russia is hit , that is, as long as china plays such a game, there will be no peace, therefore, in my opinion, china must still act in accordance with its role in the new world

. only the executor, therefore, of course, there is a problem , and by countries, by countries, and by terrorists throughout the celebration, it is necessary to act together with all the key e-e powers of the world, because otherwise the trail will be destroyed and they will not establish the order of education there. thank you, mr. valery, for the conversation valery, the diplomat, the extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine, was in touch with us. we are moving on, and ahead of us, we are waiting for a special guest in the studio, but before she appears, i want to tell you the following information, the news appeared that macron i decided to talk to putin again on the phone. i think he just looked at it in shock. recently he said that again, and why on the phone, if they had already flown there, they sat again at the big table , they had flown in, they had flown in, or they had not flown in, and then they

called, are you still alive, putin? and no. and good okay, wait a little bit on the line. we are just setting up geolocation, but i don't know him, they just talked to him so many times on the phone. are they they already they believe that he answers them um well, but anyway, this is western society, they believe in the strength of the negotiations agreements and so on means again i repeat this anecdote, a beautiful political anecdote about roosevelt, who, as it were, when he was told about all the horrors committed by stalin and all the gulags, famines and so on, he said no, you know well, i can't believe that this stalin is already such a bad person, otherwise he would be simply no one would be re-elected every time for sure until the end, macron and scholz, uh, anyway, they think, well, you must be there is something human in this person

. well, somehow, it’s as if there are ears and a nose. in this country, it is logical for these people who can hang their heads and just go because they were told that they are mobilized and for their family, for putin, they are going to die in spite of everything, in spite of everything, in the waiting period, which have already ended, now they are only given towels that are not even embroidered in order to wipe the tears like this and now tell me if we have the next guest , the next guest is roman zhilenko, a vostok sos volunteer who is involved in evacuating people from donbas, roman, have a good day, have a good day, i'm in touch today, because andriy and i have been sitting here in the espresso vent since the very morning. we had a fighter who is currently in the bahmut , and while there was an opportunity to cover him

with a window, because he says that there is a constant blaring in the bahmut, and he says that unfortunately that there are people who are trying in this hell to live why don't they evacuate why why don't they leave the city what do they expect what is their motivation these are probably people who are very attached to their homes and their property we very often met children there who were walking under shelling the same bahmuti we asked them the same question what they are leaving and they say osmysl i understand that these are probably the words of their parents, they don't want to take them out, what are you looking for words for them when do you still manage to convince someone and what convinces these people in the first place

if if they still succumb to persuasion we i don't persuade people very much. we have a hotline where people call and contact the hotline and we explain everything. a couple of days later, a rocket flew in and destroyed the house. someone is listening to us.

they look now, as i understand it, the suburbs are eastern bakhmut and it is a sight when there is simply not one in a whole building, not one in a whole building, everything is destroyed, it’s just completely destroyed. well, the private sector there is obvious, isn’t it ? everything literally. and i understand that even in such settlements there are people who can stay. they stay in some basements there, they stay in their homes. well, does it really happen like that? you say there is such an area of ​​zabahmutka in bakhmuti is the eastern extreme bakhmut there, yes, everything is very sad there, well, that’s enough. we haven’t been there for a long time. by the way, it’s standard to go there.

we don’t go there anymore. for about three weeks, uh, our colleagues from the ua base are helping us. there are armored cars, it is more dangerous than doing it in simple minibuses, that is, in principle, it is dangerous for you to enter bakhmut now , even on the western side, it is dangerous, of course, yesterday our crew, and one of our crews, was in ivanivka, which is, let's say, a suburb of bakhmut on the western side, it is very dangerous there. well, they quickly managed to take people away and left. in general, you yourself are from kreminnaya and you are a sports coach and a private entrepreneur, but you are definitely not, uh, not a person who is registered there professionally evacuates people from hot spots. why did you decide to become a volunteer?

why ? decided to help people evacuate, there was no such thing as an evacuator from the front-line areas. the fact is that i come from the city of stakhanov, the personnel is now luhansk region and in the 14th year, eh, i have been living in crimea for 20 years. it was possible in the 14th in the year after the russian invasion, kadik was occupied and my mother and my stepfather stayed there. now he is gone, and back then, in the 14th and 15th years, i traveled and brought people from luhansk and donetsk and skadivsky and from neighboring cities. i took people to ukraine to the territory of ukraine. well, then it

was compared to this year, it was much safer because, when a full-scale war began this year, i had the following question : what to do, what to do, thank you for your work, for your activity in fact, volunteer e-e roman zhylenkov is a vostok sos volunteer who evacuates people from donbass, volunteers have already joined us. volunteers can't even get to bakhmut to bakhmut or to bakhmut. the drone of the ukrainian, here they are in the eastern suburbs, they show how real the situation there is, well, terrible, terrible, and there

is not much left of the actual buildings. well, gentlemen, well, they announced that we should have a special guest in the studio is about eh, whom most ukrainians know by the call sign tyra yuliya paevskii of the full-scale russian invasion of ukraine, she worked in mariupol as a volunteer and a couple of medics in march, she was taken prisoner by the occupiers, where she stayed for three months, and calls her release in june a miracle about life after captivity, we know, let's talk in a moment, well, now we offer to see a small file about her here revolutions of dignity, a designer and an aikido trainer after a volunteer and a doctor in recent years yulia paevska is known by the call sign tyra in 2013

she became a maidan medic, then organized and headed the medical evacuation unit of the taira angels, which was based near mariupol, first served as a volunteer in 2018, signed a contract with the armed forces two years later, was demobilized, the beginning of a full-scale aggression, met in mariupol, from where she evacuated the civilian population, again as a social network volunteer, the video impressed from her chest camera, the recording shows the conditions under which tyra had to save people in the middle of a city destroyed by the russian army. blessed in mariupol, the russians captured taira on march 16, they fabricated a case against her and threatened to shoot her. they held her captive for almost 100 days. finally, on june 17, volodymyr zelenskyi announced the good news. it was possible to free taira, a ukrainian paramedic , yuliya paevska taera, from captivity at home. we will

continue to work to get everyone at once after the release , british prince harry called to congratulate tyra. he is one of the initiators of the games of undefeated international sports competitions for military and veterans who received injuries during service tyra has been taking part in them for several years, this year the plans were hindered by the war. well, our plans are such that they are fortunately quiet today and calm in lviv. tyra yuliya paevska is visiting us. we welcome you. lviv, er, with a certain purpose. congratulations. congratulations to everyone. well, let's keep the intrigue going and let's not tell why i came to lviv. okay, okay , you can tell me. i don't want to say it

calmly. well, i don't know what your plans are. i don't planned well, i'll tell you briefly what will happen tomorrow there is an event where lesya, by the way, i will lead it like this in at least some part of it. is everything like that and our guest will be there as well. that’s it. well, watch the announcements then on our espresso channel. as soon as i say that it will also be in the context of that what will be about humanism, you will talk about humanism, and you know that recently one of the journalists has already been dismissed, a journalist of the tv channel dosh russian , who was very, well, i don’t know, enjoyed great respect in many of my circles before the war. maybe someone still has it now. veteri directly called on him to put money into some accounts to help our poor guys,

well, what kind of military is there, yes, yes, and when and oh yes and oh, they fired, and after that two more colleagues also fired in support of him, and one of them, who still continues to work on another very liberal one, and also in which baltic countries is the current basis of the changes of the russian jellyfish. she explained this position by the fact that this dismissal was wrong, it violated the three basic values ​​of which she hoped liberal the russian mass media adhere to namely honesty , openness, and also humanism. in principle, i understand about honesty, openness. okay, i understand, well , for example, this probably means that in reality everyone thinks the same as him, only he honestly blurted it out and they fired him, thereby violating both openness and honesty but for me , humanism remains a mystery. how was

humanism violated here? how much do you have a certain relationship with this humanism? at least we decided. we are here in lviv. and we invited you for a reason. a person who saw with his own eyes the manifestations of this russian humanism, only saw it for himself. well, i don't know what to say to you. how can i comment on this, because the russian soul is dark and what are they thinking? i don't know what they put in the word humanism. well, maybe for them it is humanism to destroy the whole city of 5 million mariupol yes torturing innocent people without proof without er without any grounds just demanding that you confess to something you did not do and this would serve as proof for them, do you record on video

or something what they do at the same time he took them all hostages, poverty, unfortunates, i don't know how to comment on this, that is, russian humanism is probably mysterious, like the russian soul, it is so mysterious, and their humanism is so, for sure, your national ms. yulia, you are often abroad now, because these conversations are to show that russian humanism and in quotation marks of course, they are needed because the world does not fully understand either, maybe we talk to each other, we talk about some things and they are clear to us, singing words singing a look, but the world does not understand that it can be like that, but today macron is going. well, there said that he is going to call putin again and talk about the gas station, and in the world very often at meetings of some kind, foreign people come and

also ask our journalists something, our directors and actors, they are still trying to understand this russian humanism a-a we this morning they showed a video from a french show where a ukrainian french woman of ukrainian origin talked about the need to close the russian cultural center located in the center of paris because it is simply a breeding ground for russian espionage and french experts and tv presenters told her that we understand that we are traumatized because you have a war going on there and so on, but not all russians are bad , what surprises you, for example, when you kill abroad and some foreigners try to interrogate you to find out in order to understand this russian humanism and the russian soul, and what do you ? so when you look at these people, you understand that even if you describe them to them, they will not fully understand

, or they understand your arguments, they understand but do not feel, and i do everything so that they felt exactly felt what is happening, that is, i am simply telling them about the genocide of a nation that is happening and it has not been since the 24th, it has already been happening for almost 9 years. and this is extremely important because human nature, the human psyche , is created in such a way that we refuse to perceive something bad if, for example, you are

told that you have stage four cancer. say no, you will deny it. they are made like this, and in order for people from normal society to perceive those horrors, you have to constantly talk about it, but you have been in germany, for example, since you returned from captivity, see germany has a terribly traumatic experience with the russian occupation, russia is perfectly manipulated , but how can they not believe, for example, that the russians can be such a barbaric horde, those people who were, for example, millions and millions of rapes, in the 45th year of whom marauders robbed literally every house, they can believe it, but they are really traumatized and the russians manipulate the

consciousness very well with the wrong trauma a-a thank god the germans are sensitive to critical thinking and they are able to perceive information independently because, er, there was a very, very strong influence of russian propaganda there, now that i was in germany, i did not find any russian channels on the tv, that is, there are none in the hotel rush there, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this , mistake, there is no more. well, it is possible that it still exists due to some private subscriptions, but there is no longer such propaganda in the hotel and on some public channels, because of this, they are gradually being released. by the germans exactly two somewhere at the beginning of the year, and the germans told me that ukraine is going to

attack russia, i say, i'm sorry, how is ukraine going to attack russia, seize land, and i asked to give an example and where exactly and how well, where do we have such information from of tv rush there, and this is a vivid example of the propaganda of russian propaganda to the western world. we have to oppose something in this, and thank you for your work. let's talk a little more about the so-called good russians. well, if i mean those who are alive now let's say so good russians er sorry for this joke, but well, once again i will make an opinion, which is also related to this story with er to the scandal now on the russian duzhdi tv channel, and one of the er good russians who moved to canada works for the bbc, moreover, for the world service, that is, on the

main page, and she wrote that while commenting on this situation, she wrote that according to the idea, if you are a good russian for the eu and ukrainians, you should publicly rejoice at the death of russian soldiers and inform the armed forces , but at the same time, if you try to continue demand let the dialogue be simple, o lord, with a deep people , you must speak in another language, or do they have i did not understand something, in other words, blonde, i do not understand something, i repeated several times to understand what you meant, but as far as i understand, it is about whether they are good russian must always condemn what the russian army is doing here, can he, in principle, tell our guys about the military, who are the proifbeshniks here, who are here on this land of ours, guys, let's first

define these frameworks, what are russians, what is русский is this a nationality? is this what we mean when we talk about russian imperial identity? if it is an imperial identity, then it is absolutely impossible, that is, in this case there can be no good russians, if we mean exactly this uh concept, that is, it is full this is absolutely an oxymoron if we distinguish it as a name as an identification, in fact i like this opinion , that is, in fact, if a russian is really good, then he is not a russian and he was, well, it is even just dangerous for him to stay in russia well, something, i think so, do you believe that this is an evil that is already

repeating itself because it was not punished after the second world war, that is, the germans went through the process, apologized, now they lower their eyes and say that they are ashamed, do you believe that the soviet system that transferred to russia, as russia inherited it, and the fact that this war is now going on for the ninth year, it is as a result of the fact that i was punished, it will eventually be punished and that the russians are the same. for example, how are the modern germans someday they will lower their eyes and tell us they are very ashamed that we are nothing we didn't do it. what didn't we stop in this war? i don't know what our parents supported it and we even supported it when we were little children. i think they will say the same as the germans say now that our grandparents were not aware of what

we had no information about these concentration camps about everything and we simply couldn't believe it and the psychology of the nation in order to unite we need something to be proud of the future, i have a feeling that it will be very cool that we will build in let's not revive the old ukraine, the old one is so semi-sophisticated, you know. something ah, the russians throughout this history were proud of their victories, which in fact, if we take the second world war, were won by the union with the belarusians and ukrainians, that is, they appropriated the victory to themselves and manipulate that victory in germany, they awaken a

sense of guilt in the germans and manipulate it in a very cool and skillful way, i.e. we have victories in order to be proud, and we must really represent a community that has something to be proud of, instead of russians in order to create something new, to go forward, they drag us into the past and want to drag us, first of all, the past and they want to drag us along, who is he, in your opinion, is the slogan of mykola khvylovy still relevant, who has already fulfilled this slogan for a hundred years, away from moscow i i think that this slogan is simple, he simply paraphrased it. that this slogan is already there, i think it has been around for 400 years. i think so, yes, but let's say one of its modern

readings can also be formulated as the army is the language of faith. and now there are a lot of jokes that the president zelenskyi, who was very ironic about all of this, arma armavir or something like that and so on. i missed something. yes, but today he actually pronounces all the same principles himself. do you know that this is literally difficult in our country? believe me, a couple of years ago, for example , volunteers were under investigation and they were accused of being ultra-nationalists. i only remember that you were probably also in a situation when they said that the paevska in this new ukraine is there an understanding that what was often labeled as nazism in our country is just this patriotism absolutely normal for any country, and even

more so during a war when a nation must unite and the unifying factor is precisely patriotism, and there is nothing to do with nazism, because we do not deny the right to live for all other nations, be it right grace ukraine for everyone for everyone who loves ukraine and perceives it as a state and respects the people, it is correct that this fake patriotism is from a real sincere one today but this is in general well, you know that this is completely invented by the russians, these are all dumplings, these are all things in order to present ukrainians as some kind of uneducated sycophants and instead well, this is all being done in order to reduce our glorious past of chivalry, the days of chivalry, the cossacks, the real cossacks, to some er-er

peasantry and all mrs. yulia er-er now the war is going on er but even in the course of this war some people under the occupiers remain with their pro-ukrainian position, often taking risks, other people, er, try to cooperate with the occupier, er, some, er, leave for ukraine, others leave for russia, some leave for russia, because it is impossible to enter ukraine, this controlled part of ukraine and then somehow they get there in all sorts of ways, in the end, others go to russia and then when things go badly for them there, they come back here and say later what's the difference, don't mix politics here, i lost everything, for example, i lost it there in mariupol what should we do with such people who, despite the fact that we now have a full-scale invasion, all who look towards russia and think that this war is a war

of some biden and putin zelensky and putin of some politicians, but not a war of russia against ukraine about the extermination of ukrainians, i have not talked to such people. i don't know what they think, how they don't feel, what to do with them. i think enlightenment to tell the truth and give examples and evidence, it is very important to have real evidence and not just words, and then consciousness uh, the winners, that is, the truth will win in any case, then there is a lot of work, yes. this is your job. you are who in the information war. it is sometimes more difficult than the hot phase. well, it is possible. everyone does what they know where it can be useful.