the globality of the damage develops speed and eventually it also attacks like a football rocket, so whether they are based in belarus or whether they are in russia or whether they are in the crimea is of no particular importance, they can in principle get scandals with these daggers e that are called flying scandals from other e areas e-e in terms of quantity, it’s really more here, so you have to look at the fact that the athlete really has a large number of these missiles today, the same khas-101 or caliber a, more dangerous - they are even the same x22 on 22m3 bombers are located here in the kursk oblast, and the sheikovka airfield is where they take off from, well, they saw the consequences of the destruction of these missiles. therefore, it is necessary to take measures right away to really drive those bombers away from our borders, and they can only be driven away by

long-range air defense systems or fighter jets, modern fighter jets, which we so badly want to get and we are asking for this measure, that is, the last question, e.p. we can't get anything from ukraine there with any drones or anything else, somehow influence them or at least scare them, because they have the impression that we have no way to get scary people with our own hands, well, there is cotton of all kinds, why can't we, it burns in russia from time to time, that's why something something yes, we can well, then we will wait for the implementation of the capabilities of the ukrainian army we thank ihor ignatius , the spokesman for the air force command, the armed forces, oleksiy hetman, a military analyst, a veteran of the russian-ukrainian war, and to diplomacy

let's move on volodymyr hrytsko diplomat minister of foreign affairs of ukraine for 9 years head of the russian research center i consider the last moment important because we need to study russia, it is such a complicated country and it sometimes seems to me that what the head did with darkness and analysis is not subject to any kind of analysis russia is a dark matter and analyzes do not analyze and it is difficult to understand how our time has already healed, mr. volodymyr hrytsko repeats again, the diplomat , head of the russian research center, my question , the answer will also be hypothetical, you and i are not we are in the kremlin and we don't know what others are talking about there, they know how to talk and what they are talking about , but when you analyze the last week, you see a complete defeat, you see, starting with

armenia, which says we will not sign, ending with biden's words, withdrawal of troops, then we will talk about the end of the war and through bucharest, where they say win the war, join nato. that is, i don’t see anything anywhere that the kremlin can get hold of, that here they have a draw. well, at least they have a draw under bakhmut, but this draw has been for six months, as we just did found out and it is already very similar to a defeat . in your opinion, there are enough people there who understand that it is going well. well, it is not as bad as in april in may, but today it is already like that. it seems that there are no successes anywhere at all, and that is already it just sparkles, everyone sees it, that is the understanding in russia, i congratulate you, mykola, well, there would not be a

head of the research center if he were not a diplomat, so it is all connected and connected, because it is diplomacy that gives the opportunity to study this or that very seriously. subject or object e-e i then when you can get more involved, you move on to analytics, i have to disappoint you, mr. mykola . there is nothing to cling to, e.e. russia. if you look at it from the point of view of the civilized world, there is a lot of clinging to it if you look at it from the point of view of the russian mentality and the russian view of the world well, for putin and for his publicists, it doesn’t matter at all what they say about him and what he is and how he is perceived externally. believe me, it’s a different psychological

space, i’ve already said it 1,000 times and once again i emphasize we perceive them incorrectly, we perceive them as we are, that is, as people who are able to think soberly, who understand that there is a cause and there is an effect that if you do this, you will get something else and so on. this audience lives by completely different categories. she lives in categories that do not fit into a normal civilized head , unfortunately, many people here and i, especially in the west, do not want to understand that despite the external similarity with civilized countries and civilized people, this is ideological psychologically, mentally, savages, well, today a civilized person cannot do what these

savages are doing in ukraine, this is beyond anything, but you see, it all exists in the same way now, putin does not care what biden said to him it doesn't matter what macron said to him, i want what scholz said, he has an idea of ​​a fix and more than half of the russian people continue to believe in this idea, this is pippa, the russian population who needs victories, who needs greatness, who needs bad western countries that live for we don’t know what our rules are, this, that, and that’s what putin actually uses. you know, mr. mykola, another question is where is the chicken, where is the egg, or did putin create the russian population or the russian population created putin and has kept him in power for 20 years?

we understand what russian elections are. but besides that, let's imagine that 80 or 90% voted against, well, you can't, just as well, it would be like manipulating and lying, so it's russian society itself that wants putin, it corresponds to the interests, desires and the dream of this russian society, that's why putin is what kind of society this is, and in fact, it seems to me that the answer to all the questions that we try to ask ourselves is to give an answer to them, we're just i, i heard, i think everyone heard it's true and i completely agree with you what's here even for me it’s not even her question, it’s definitely the russian people who created putin and keep him where he keeps him, but here i can understand the russian people, well at least try to understand and understand putin between them is the so-called

the elite and the elite must understand that gaga is approaching . here we have the new year and coca-cola. well, they say that the holiday is approaching, and in russia they already had a song there, such a cheerful song. everything and now he must understand that gaga is approaching hello, guys , do something, but they are not doing anything, this layer is interesting to me. arrests already tse in short, there is something to lose, uh, mykola, yes, uh, you know, you are absolutely right, i uh, agree with you uh, one hundred percent, and i think that there are actually

uh, uh, two categories around uh, putin and those who are his closest the only team that will go to the end and that will die as it is. someone there said in a radioactive loop, well, figuratively, of course, it will definitely not be, but who are ready to go to the last soldier, and there is that group that you mentioned, who are really now seriously losing what, uh, they had everything and now the situation is such that they may not have it soon nothing. and actually, there is hope for them in the sense that they will agree on an event through various channels, and they are definitely all, er, that they will agree that they will at least help eliminate putin and this putin regime, and i think that er, for this, they will go to any concessions of the west and will write it down in the act of capitulation, if only the west promised that

we will give you back your opportunities to live the way you wanted and even give you a little rest on the black sea because it is for them moomin-ton and somewhere there on on the cote d'azur, what can we hope for now, and that gives me some hope that the scenario will go exactly in this way, because we shouldn't rule out that there are sober-moon people there. we shouldn't really have them there. let us have completely different ones. we have our own motivations for what and how to do it. they have their own, but in some specific case, namely, the elimination of putin's medicine, the interests coincide . let's see what happens next. i think that the next step should still be dictated by the eyes of this new group

people e-e surrender with very clear conditions on which they must agree to otherwise they will have no chance in principle a very important question we saw today not about the specifics about such metaphysical phenomena but in c- everything that is now in russia is such metaphysics you are a career diplomat who understands how after passing all the steps when i read about these packages with animal eyes, explosions at the embassy of ukraine in madrid, and i am not talking about the behavior, the phraseology of the spokeswoman, the phraseology of lavrov himself, this diplomat . that it is simply necessary to

teach some new subject in diplomatic schools. and there is russian diplomacy. and there is russian diplomacy. the whole world has such rules, and here are such other rules. well , no one can deal with them. who says that well, i don't know, i feel that you are still not very condescending to the russians, calling them diplomats well, it's been a long time, we have to forget, there is no diplomacy in russia, uh, because it has turned into banal propaganda, well , come on let's face the truth and say that lavrov sold his soul to the devil a long time ago. well, then all his subordinates did the same. do you remember that there was one single case when the advisor from russia's press office in geneva ran away saying that he

he can't stand it anymore well, all the others, now you show the main patient, he tolerates it because even though he was once a diplomat, i can testify to you personally, and by the way , my senior colleagues who worked with him told me about this in the mid-80s in new york now he didn't become like that, rather, he stopped being such a diplomat and he himself just, well, i'm sorry, how now they say to propagandists sorry for the high style, but here it's just necessary to quote how it is now used, including journalists, that's why there is no... from whom to take an example, from whom to learn well, except for the mothers, but it is now moscow diplomacy well, so to speak, it is absolutely the norm, and relatively, there are more animal eyes and

so on, this is again a sign of complete degradation, i don't think that they usually do it who are called diplomats who work abroad, it is done by secret service agents, whose embassies in russia usually make up 60-80%, depending on the location of the embassy, ​​who are engaged in such things under the guise of this status. well, this is degradation, this is just that that can't be accepted as normal, i would n't even risk saying the word terrorism here, it's just banal stupidity. they think that they can intimidate someone with some kind of cover-up box, well, that's naive, mykola when i see this story of a german e-correspondent who asked a boy here in kyiv in

shevchenko park after he was growing up, the playground near shevchenko university was actually completely destroyed. is he not afraid? he said no, no, we are ukrainians. we are not. we are afraid, how can you intimidate people who are sober adults who are dedicated to their work. this is just agony, agony of the kremlin, this regime, and i think that we will soon witness the fact that it will finally go down in history. i would like to talk more because we touched very i like to talk about such questions. and with such words as degradation, i would definitely ask 28 more questions. i am always interested in talking with mr. volodymyretskyi, but then we have ivan plachkov, ex-minister of fuel

. therefore, i thank volodymyr hryzko, a diplomat of the minister of foreign affairs for 7-9 years, the head of the russian research center, and let's move on to the questions, you know, not diplomatic, but very specific , if there is mr. ivan, then show me so that i can not only heard but also saw good health ivan ladkovich minister of energy pavlo chairman of the supervisory board of kyivenergo thank you for finding time on saturday and the question e i think you have already answered more than once in my programs and espresso programs, but i still 145- i will ask once again, the complete destruction of the ukrainian energy industry is possible. does russia consider this desirable? and what can ukraine do? when we talked with you, simply even physically making an earthen shaft around such distribution centers

already helps, because it is difficult for the rocket to go inward. it hits if nearby then it doesn't hit what can be done and is it possible to completely de-energize us as they say well, i think that for today it is impossible uh why well first of all uh i 'm sure the protection of infrastructure objects has strengthened anti-missile defense air defense, and i think that the next attacks, if they happen, will be destruction, but not to the extent that there will be a blackout , and they will restore the energy industry, because our energy system is very powerful, very extended er, it er has enough generation with generation reserves.

it has er in the power transmission line in the high-voltage distribution er, and we see that after that massive strike, er, today the situation is more or less stabilized. yes, we have there is a central legion where there is a very large shortage of electricity, but according to the mayor of restoration on the high-voltage line and the possibility of supplying electricity, it is average with a fifth at the khmelnytskyi nuclear power station, here the game will change, and the duration of the blackout will be reduced, mr. ivan this is a question about the future, we are here all dreamers, we know about the future, we dream that the world will learn something from this crisis, this war, maybe humanity will start thinking about some completely new ways of getting

electricity, maybe maybe somehow they will be buried underground . what has brought humanity out of what ukraine is going through now, please yes well, we know that humanity is constantly thinking, constantly doing new things, new new equipment, we switched from thermal coal from power plants to gas units, then to nuclear energy, everything is being improved, but today this is the main such direction, it is modular reactors, it is reactors of small power, somewhere around 300 mw , they will be built according to them, there will be many, no, there will be one concentrated there on a

station there 6 000 mw and we depend on one or two or three and they will be uh and there will be many and it is clear that humanity will switch to hydrogen and there will be nuclear energy in the fifties, it will be made of two components, this is nuclear energy that will provide almost all all the god of all humanity in the e-e of electricity, it will be modular and such ordinary redactors and hydrogen that will be produced in the period when we reduce consumption, so we call such e-e m-m load reduction in order to extinguish the jets not e-e reduce load there and introduces will be used in transport not only in automobile can now let's say here are car batteries ecology and so on and we do n't forget, we shouldn't forget what the fleet works

on absolutely in on on on diesel fuel oil, i.e. aviation and here the transport will switch to electric water. no, there will be nuclear power, and i am 100% sure of this, but even the americans are now developing such analytical installations in small cities, for example , 10,000-15,000 people, there is also electricity and there will be no power transmission line, there will be an installation where it will be imported a capsule with hydrogen and it will work there for six months or a year and produce both electricity and heat and everything, everything, all the energy resources that are necessary, and gradually humanity will abandon these power lines, as we recovered, gave up the piligraph lines, do you remember how much resistance there was to the wires, that is,

there were many throughout the country, and now they are gone, this is for you, mr. ivan, look, but for the people, explain the modular reactors, this is conditional on kyiv, 100 reactors are located in different areas and they feed micro-districts and thus it is impossible to destroy them from the city with what 1:2 and 98 work calmly and continue to provide energy no, no, a megawatt is 5 reactors somewhere along the kiev ring road, and so on, in such settlements there are, for example, 100 000 population there are 150, well, this is already a scheme to be developed, to optimize their location and so on, it is not such a simple thing, it is a task under

one linear, but it will be in the future in this well, it will do it not only from the point of view of security although safety is also such an argument, but from the point of view of optimization and economics, because if, for example, one reactor of 1,000 mw goes out of operation, there is some kind of damage, then it is already such is the problem for the power industry and today large power reactors are balancing heat is balanced by power plants that run on coal and that's why we refuse green energy, unfortunately, it won't be able to balance everything. yes, it helps, it's very useful. well, how useful. well, how do i relate to it? well, if there is no wind and there will be a sun, then, it

is clear that different algorithms of the energy system are needed, but you say hydrogen, and where do i get it, how will it appear ? and how it is possible to collect this water. where is it today? there are such technologies. there are several traditional technologies. this is electrolysis. they were made from water . well, now these technologies are expensive, although there is already an economic justification, and we know that cars are already

being converted to hydrogen in the ground in europe, and buses are already, and these routes are urban, in which cities? this technology is gradually translated and so on this is not a problem, my technology is now a problem of the economy, but they are comparing how economically it will be, but the future is 100% here, i have no doubt about one more question and maybe more than one, this was the information that turkey is ready to place three floating thermal power plants near odessa what is copper i have never heard of such a thing i am floating what is there like everything where will it be located where will it be and how will it produce energy how will odessa supply me and how long will these three thermal power plants be enough well

i'll tell you that there are such installations, such equipment is on the railway platforms of power plants. well, it's big, such diesel generators that work on diesel fuel, there are also such floating power plants with large capacities there. up to 50,100 mw eh and they provide and i just want to remind you i think that there was no electricity in odesa, it was somewhere in autumn november i was in the first year of the odessa polytechnic institute and there was such a rain from a dream, then it stuck, then the wind. in general,

the power line was destroyed, and the first thing is that deribasovskaya was healed by special ships, even at first these are the academy of sciences you remember with antennas for space . there will be more and they have very powerful power plants and they produced electricity . there are floating installations that are powerful enough. they run on diesel fuel. there is light fuel oil, so-called light fuel oil, and they produce electricity. one more important question, maybe the

penultimate one, but it is important. well, you will understand. the military or the military, as i was taught, now we are all military there, half say that we always put the worst option because how will it be better ? they say that romania and poland and slovakia and the whole of europe can somehow feed the ukrainian networks, somehow transmit the electricity report, how realistic is it, everything is bad, but there are still friends in europe and i want to help, they will be able to help. do you think they will be able to, it is realistic and eh we remember that on february 23, the ukrainian energy system joined the european energy system. until the 23rd, we worked on the synergy of the systems of russia and moldova. it is very strange to me why we did not do this before and

why we bought there for several years. electricity in belarus in russia because we have the capacity and so on. well, we will figure it out later , and well, import and already test such schemes, test import, eh, we have already done it in small , small volumes from romania, from poland, we can buy electricity from slovakia, eh well, this electricity needs to be transported, maybe we buy it at the border, it needs to be transported , especially to the central region, and that is why the energy companies are now restoring these power lines and high- voltage substations so that we can buy a larger volume of electricity, we don’t need it at the border, we need it here in the kyiv region, in the southern odesa region, and

so on and gradually these volumes will increase, the price there is very high. i think they are free, we shouldn’t expect that they will give it for free well, maybe some amount eh, well, it is quite possible that this kind of help well, of course, it is very important to help in the equipment of high-voltage equipment, a transformer, maybe they said about it, eh, other equipment, it is necessary to organize such an energy ramstein because uh and it must work online, we need to attract funds ot imagine today's consumption, well, there is a small amount, almost twice as much as before uh, if you look at the period before the war uh, and uh, money, money energy workers also receive oblenergo, well, very little today