well, it’s strange that they don’t apply for the cis and for switzerland. i was already strict with my soldiers there, because you could go straight there, but they, as usual, the russians went around. so, you can also say that andermatt is a russian city . transcarpathia, which was part of austro-hungary, then czechoslovakia, then again occupied by hungary, then when the russian union liberated it from the hungarians, instead of handing it over to slovakia, it was included in the soviet union, this carpathian the region well, you know the majority of the ukrainian population there, that means it was not invented , and bukovyna, well, it was never part of russia either. well, that’s logical, because then we have to say that we are not reviving russia historically, but conquering the territory of foreign countries, that’s right, then we so we are saying oh, let's all these territories return to the countries where they

came from. we are not saying that there are no ukrainians , but they want all of ukraine. they are not saying in poland, take these territories for yourself. they keep saying that you are annexing it, we are annexing it and we will meet at the border, it is from one side and from the other side. they think that they are scaring the ukrainians so much, but you see, you see, that means you are weakening, and now the poles and today i see such an article in the russian edition of the carnegie center, it is called the long- term urinating of poland, that russia is always waiting, waiting for poland to say that it wants to annex its territories, and according to the former, poland does not say anything, and then what else do they say, you know we can keep your territories for you. if you speak well of yourself, you have predatory neighbors, they claim to be your saint, but if you obey us, we will leave it to you. up to here, the poles are on us, the poles, well, wherever we want, but the poles will

not attack us. they are afraid of us. do you want lviv to be ukrainian or uzhhorod? we will say that it is impossible to insult small ukrainians . ago what is the big problem? zakarpattia oblast tells you that it was part of czechoslovakia, but it was never part of either the czech republic or slovakia, and there is literally no one to give it to, and hungary lost it during the first world war to the treaty of potrianova . we will protect romania from the poles from everyone, and they are told to take it away. but as soon as she says, oh, we will take it away, and we will protect you. we will protect you. this is schizophrenia, and i also don’t

really understand who she is meant for. designed for such a ukrainian who lives in the head of volodymyr vladimirovich putin. sometimes it seems to me that such a ukrainian lives in his head when he has someone in his head. grisha is drinking and talking. everything will be up to us in general. it's awesome, and there is a ukrainian living in vladimir putin's head and he still communicates with them. i will give it to them. and you were scared. no don't worry, i'll protect you, and so he runs around the bunker all the time, they talk to this ukrainian, so the ukrainian listens to it in his head, they don't know

what to do. in such a world, of course, this is also a direct road to psychiatry, but if you are as many as he can meet there, then he is afraid that he got there and is therefore forced to sit in this bunker , because when he says, listen, i need to see a psychiatrist, he calls his manager anton says to the administration, write me to a psychiatrist , he says volodymyr volodymyrovych there nods, for example, no, let's wait, let's wait until they heal , let's see the result. and i'm waiting , so what? i'm talking to a ukrainian. well, that 's how you talk. what do you think the ukrainian will punish you or give you the territory of the war, well, grandpa , that’s all, go ahead and spend your money, well, life in the kremlin is such a rich, interesting life. by the way, you mentioned putin’s bunkers just in time an article was published in russian by a russian publication about the fact that putin has intensified the construction of some of his bunkers, in particular it is about the ural

town of mizhhirya, which is south of yekaterinburg between magnitogorsk and ufa, they say that a lot of money is being invested in new construction, but in general throughout the territory of the russian federation there are official bunkers that are known and there are unofficial ones that were built at the beginning of putin's tenure 30 years ago, that's how they started, and now they are trying to build them even more quickly. vitaly, why is everyone dictators are trying to build these bunkers for themselves, but they can be such examples of their brave and courageous. they have a certain environment that supports them, why should they hide like that ? it will be hit by a nuclear attack, therefore the dictator must be reliably protected, well, these different dictators happen, the first

secretary of the central committee of the albanian labor party, comrade upstairs, wants to build bunkers for of every albanian family, although they say that they did not protect against a nuclear strike, however, before it there was a real bunker like this in ceramic from a nuclear attack. i know that you were there, one of the few who had permission to do so in the 90s. when they didn't let anyone in there, the time when they didn't let anyone in, they still didn't let anyone in, it opened albania, this will be the first years of democracy, where i got to in 1993, it was already possible to go in, it seems to me that i was just there from our... man because there was none between the soviet union and albania diplomatic relations, when the new independent states russia - ukraine, belarus, etc. had already emerged, it took time to install machine guns, bushings, an open embassy, ​​it was a difficult story, but simply, i see the stalin monument being demolished in albania, but i also see bunkers, and it was scary, but to the bathroom it looked like the planet mars. you go everywhere, these

bunkers are white-white, but that means it’s like that. i would say care for the people. it’s interesting that putin doesn’t think about the people. because i understand that there are no bomb shelters in russia as such. as long as i’ve lived in russia, i’ve never i didn't know where to go in case of an e- attack or any problem, even when there was a terrorist threat, all that people were told was that you check handbags, but if there were any terrorist actions, was there somewhere to hide or something. no , it was never discussed. the main thing is that putin was well. and i understand that he should be well everywhere . and how prone he is to such a person, i would say, in a conspiratorial view of life, he can think that he will hide in a bunker, but necessarily from the americans, and the world of his own, for example they will want to kill him and he will be kicked in the legs then he will live there for 10-15 years until he dies a natural death no, why, you can

use some kind of laughing gas in the bunker, he will have fun and break his forehead in the bunker, you can suffocate him with a scarf in the bunker, you can in general, anything will happen, the bad circulation of oxygen has not happened yet, it corresponds to the interests of the political and entrepreneurial letters of russia and the russian people , he expresses the interests of those people who live in russia, if he stops expressing his interests, i think there will be some opportunity to get rid of him, but now while he is at war with ukraine, while he is giving the russians hope that they will still conquer some territory, he is absolutely immortal, and all the talk about the fact that the russians will change their point of view due to the deterioration of the social situation in the country is why i that it is absolutely vain to hope because the russians did not live so beautifully without it, of course, the city of moscow is not a bad source. by the way, the city is now strongly supporting putin, if it is serious, but there are already more power structures than before, there was more surveillance,

more electronic possibilities. by the way, we forget the important thing that now there were much more possibilities of electronic surveillance of people between dictatorships - this can be seen in china, modern possible controls on the possibilities of control over public i thought before , these unfortunates, that is, they are the ones from whom putin came out, by the way, they walked and wrote down with a pen. that’s how the turner at petrov is in line at the factory, said stalin, probably not that big. and ivanov is in line for in a sports suit, what kind of eagle is that? yes, the police, but then they sent it to the central committee of the communist party of ukraine. now listen, now social networks can be simply

copied, you can watch all this, you can install a vpn, see what people write in accounts in other countries, so many possibilities, you can take photos of all these people at once when they go to some kind of protest, then come there to mobilize them or just put them behind bars. i think that now it is still a cyst in connection with these technical possibilities they just feel like bahamians because they used to be poor, they were forced to put on some kind of worker's jackets, some kind of caps, pretend to be workers, uh, pretend that they are part of the people, and now i remember you, i once wanted to record on red square in moscow i recorded a collective interview with people before some event , well, i decided again in moscow or to students, many different people from different regions of the soviet union and i will interview them all, i came with a notebook with a pen, i

started approaching people, it turned out that half of red square - these are the agents of the main security department of the kgb of the ussr, they are all about 20 people gathered around me, one with a camera, one in some kind of workman's jacket, also in a cap, one was repairing something, one was some kind of tourist from the province to some kind of god, and as you understood , they all came up at once in short terms the committee of the state of the safety woman you are all tourists yes and you are with course guides and you - no, somehow they are all at once like wow, i think that there are fewer tourists than kgbshniks, and that’s normal for me. it was a revelation. and that i would never recognize half of them because they all disguise themselves as ordinary uh-uh, someone

means i remembered this soviet film 17 moments of spring where uh-uh, ss agents came on a children’s excursion to i went to the museum to see what this soviet spy was doing there, and i thought, it sounds like it, everything was done because she was on a children's excursion. -card and then there were no such means problems and they left me for now, but they showed me for a moment how this whole system works, and imagine now when they all have mobile phones, they can immediately take a picture of you, record it, and that's all, of course, a huge problem and problems for people not the problem is for putin because he himself can sit in a bunker. do you think that he is under reliable protection, but i assure you that as soon as they decide that he no longer catches any game for

them and only creates real problems, then he will not be in a bunker for some reason it will always be true too we are talking about our certain expectations of the economic depletion of the russian federation. this week, the countries of the group of seven and the european union set a ceiling price for oil at $60 per barrel. this did not meet our expectations, because the yarmak makal group was nevertheless preparing a proposal to set a minimum price of 30 $ per barrel, however , they did not listen. is this a certain loss for us, or will the setting of at least $60 still give results? it depends on how the oil will be emotional in the future because on today, of course, this oil price has no meaning. the russian federation is now selling oil at a lower price than this limit price, the question arises as to what the point of the limit is not now, but of course if oil prices go up, then the

russian federation will not add up to billions of dollars. the only question is whether the prices for oil up in the conditions when there is such a serious economic crisis, which is again provoked by the russian federation itself, so in this regard it is important that e.e. from the countries of the civilized world little by little set the price for russian oil, how much did they refuse to buy russian energy carriers at all, but there is always a question that is no less important . the future functioning of their relations with the russian federation, of course, russia would have no place to sell its energy sources, it seriously thought about its future already today, but if russia still receives profits, then with a discount sells oil, so not as much profit as we would like to get, but there is always an idea. well, we will tolerate it now, but we will crush this ukraine and

then we will simply return to the mechanism that is absolutely acceptable to us, which was before the beginning of this war, it will simply endure and destroy ukraine, then with such attitudes, you can wage war for a long time and often, and vladimir putin, the president of russia, and several russian officials declared that those countries that agree to such price restrictions will vote for them, they will be blacklisted by the kremlin and they will not will supply oil. do you think that this threat will come true after all, or does putin have nowhere to go to other markets, well, except for tika, yes , and maybe this is enough, but it will be a blow to russia , and these countries will find a lot of oil offers on the market. opportunities to buy oil, especially since we saw that the united states is working hard to increase the amount of oil on the market, and now what happened in venezuela last week when the president of this

country, nicolas maduro, nevertheless found a mechanism dialogue with the opposition, this in principle allows us to talk about the fact that venezuelan oil will begin to flow to fish, venezuelan oil is primarily oil that the united states buys, as a rule, the needs of the united states, until the moment when all these new types of oil developments appeared, were covered it is oil from venice, which means that if venezuela starts to increase the sale of oil and sell it to the united states in the united states, it will demand additional volumes of oil that they, in turn, can sell to a european country and thus to talk about the fact that russia does not scare anyone by the fact that it will not buy or sell oil, these are only russian problems, but we know that russia always has such economic blackmail, and then it turns out that water overestimates its chances as a seller of this or that raw material, the whole of russia time forgets and i find it very strange about competition on the

world market. after all, one must remember that competition is also reputation. soviet and then russian leaders did everything possible to make russia look like a reliable supplier. raw materials of oil and gas, and it must be said that with what putin has done in ukraine, with what he is doing with these northern streams and all these demands and actions of yours, russia is destroying the reputation of its country and, like putin, it is only a rehearsal of its country as a reliable supplier of energy resources and that's it an interesting moment, and by the way, prices - this destabilizes the energy carrier, but the establishment of a limit price is still the same even if there are russian profits, we are not talking about prices, not oil, they can be stabilized only by understanding what economic development will be like in the near future we see that there is no great perspective for a large increase in prices because there are problems with the economy and these problems with the economy would be

provoked by russia itself for many reasons because russia created an economic crisis in the west if the west there is no way for the economy of the west to work like this how it worked before this war and even in the west, now the general inflation rate in great britain is even more than 11 percent, so this indicates that oil is not needed as much as it was, and by the way, this again reduces purchasing power of the inhabitants of the rich countries of the world, and the decrease in the purchasing power of the inhabitants of the rich countries of the world is a blow to the chinese market, because in this way china cannot sell such a quantity of its products that it was selling evidence. and when it cannot sell such a quantity of its products, this in turn leads to that china does not need such a volume of knowledge as was needed before the crisis, and all this is again a matter of russia's movement. if we talk logically, then russia should be interested in economic development more than all these countries

because the greater the economic opportunities of the countries of the european union, the greater their purchasing power, the more oil the european union and china need, the more oil prices are, and the more i am the well-being of the russian federation itself, but the russian federation has decided that its need is ill health and a war with ukraine well, by the way, about china, mr. vitaly, we can’t help but mention this topic, because in this country there is a wave of protests. do you think they are still political? they have some political color because, for the most part, they are in in big cities, it is young people and students who come out against the covid restrictions and lockdowns that have been going on in china for three years in one way or another and are now not strict enough to avoid a new wave of the epidemic, and among these protesters there are those who express some political slogans or will this lead to a certain political protest or not? and by the way, this is confirmed by the fact that the

protest has actually ended, so now you and i can use the fact that all dvinkin has now managed to establish a control situation, this is related not with this foam, but with a certain politics of chinese society, but these days in china they buried the ex-chairman of the people's republic of china, the general-sia party of the day of the earth managed to create a model of a political society of consumerism that the chinese never knew before, he came to power on the wave of political protests , it was he who became this person who led the country when the death of the former general secretary of the party hoyoban and the readiness of his successor e.e. jauzian to support political demands led to the largest political protests in the history of the people's republic of china when these

protests in the square - this is my men were actually taming year is meant so many believed that china has entered a period of permanent crisis because the majority of society, especially young society, is opposed to to the communist party of ct now these are all my peers by the way these are all people who went out when they were my age then 22 in 2018 offered these people to a certain extent you don't have an alternative, you don't fight the authorities. and we, first of all, in big cities, give you the opportunity to live like in the west in such a consumer society, because if you live in beijing, shanghai, or other big cities and you don't oppose the authorities, you

basically have a western standard of living. with a chinese correction, of course, but nevertheless. by the way, it is interesting that the protests did not start there, they started this assessment by diana in the gursk autonomous district, which has long been a center of repression, which is precisely because it is also the center of repression of this constant electronic surveillance and is economically unprofitable from the point of view of business investment, they don’t really want to go to rumchitka other places and they just from kovi to have suffered more than the economically successful regions of china, but in any case, i can say that during the period when deng-dzemin was in charge a politically apathetic society came out of the communist party, now we see that the youth we see and this is the youth who were born and began to perceive themselves somehow during the reign of fujintaum, the heirs of censure, who was a person of more or less liberal the event that it is possible to talk about the

communist leadership and the model proposed by zenteu, it is actually now dismantled by zenzemin because for them it is to some extent a return to the past and that is why these young people can come out with protests against the fact that the consumer society has worsened the economy in in a terrible condition. and nothing is offered as a replacement, what dian dzemin offered, you will live well and we will manage you, it was dismantled due to the consequences of zero tolerance for the coronavirus, but the fact that now these calls are chosen the option that they will mitigate the limited means that you well of course it means that it means that he is capable of making concessions, this is generally for any politician, even an authoritarian one, this is a good feature, so putin is not capable of post, you see, he is like a ram he is six years old and he is just pre-a-a weighing they have now started to

react to it they have started in certain regions to change something something somewhere er-er behave harshly somewhere reduce the restrictions we will see how they will get out of this situation i think they will get out from this situations by revising certain postulates, the policy of zero tolerance to the coronavirus, in principle , they could long ago, the whole problem of such regimes is that they are very inflexible, they are inert because the decisions that are made are considered correct and cannot be revised in a democratic society, how does public criticism begin why didn't you do that why didn't you do that coalition partners start a discussion remove this minister of health and in the end there is also a correct solution in such a society chinese people's republic, i'm sorry that you are discussing the party's decision. who are you in general? on the mountain it is better to

see a public discussion, as there is no such thing. i looked at the chinese newspapers that are related to the deceased. here i am. holmes, let's say which ones are designed for abroad. they do not write them well, of course, in such a situation, the construction of the right solution depends only on the ability of the leader of the country to realize the need for such a mechanism, but it is a better mechanism than when the leaders of the country do not want to hear anything, it means they are still reading this, how it basically happens in such countries, information comes from the special services , the analysis of the situation is closed, and this analysis is already considered, most likely at a meeting of the standing committee of the party's politburo, then the standing committee formulates some opinion that is presented to the politburo, and they decide in principle how to decide this situation from the point of view of

warming, let's say so, i see that it is already this cycle in turn, and therefore we will not have a tsyan area. i generally think that this enimei area could only be in the china that was then in 1989, i.e. communist non-market china. do not forget that the area of ​​this energy was in an essentially socialist country. the main conclusion that was made then by china under the leadership of the day of this pin and dian replacement is that this china should be a state with a market economy, if they did not make this conclusion, china has collapsed a long time ago, we will see nothing in place, but they too. this was obviously an analysis of the challenges, they understood that one area is the smallest, if they do not offer people an attractive model, nothing it will be limited, well, listen, well, look at china, which was fought in the ninth year, which was simply a poor country

that scared everyone and not china, which is now considered above the potula, everyone says that with it, after all, it will be able to be a competitor of the united states, or not, maybe not, but the very fact that we are discussing this political topic in general says that the model proposed on the day of this foam and dynamism was the right model for such a country and for such a regime. unknown people sent this week to a number of ukrainian consulates in europe some bloodied packages with animal eyes that had a characteristic smell, there was blood and of course in european countries such a quick reaction was enough, the police evacuated the consulate employees and even people who lived nearby or there are kindergartens or residents of the houses nearby, they were worried that something would happen, something is really behind it why is it? the light is going out, but we are here,

we are. vitaly, in fact, why did this terror and intimidation gather at the diplomats? listen, i can from the transcript of this meeting, he will simply tell. it's all very simple. sergey lavrov comes to the president, does he have a relationship with him, and vladimirovych changes everything ? you can tolerate it well, listen well, i'll call seryozh now , i'll connect seryozha openly, seryozha, what are your all these arkharov people doing? here you are. why are you sitting there? why are you

all this bread? already close to me, he has turned pale, he is all like that in general, dark as if he lives in the maldives in general, seryozha should not envy you , all your employees live in the maldives, consume currency, we don’t say anything, we don’t even ask you're on what kind of money, you're all your own mansion , sergey viktorovich, they're laughing here, you don't need to laugh here, i'm oh yes, of course you're doing it, you're laughing today it 's so funny, it's so funny well, that's the whole story, and a friend came up with a concert in the eyes of poor animals or they bought it with their own hands ot well ot agent the finns are a bun in madrid agent red raven in barcelona agent here i will not mention the word in bilbao everything let's give

schlitz the mail well, why are diplomats so scared now everything is in ukraine, we will not help, we will not concentrate , plans are always carried out, well, let's have another one special operation, let's send them some, i don't know, postage stamps with the image of the kremlin, or something else, or the russian crimea , yes. well, it doesn't matter, we're inventing something else, the main thing is that we have to work for a reason, the foreign intelligence service is working enough it's good that you're an incompetent person, this is the truth, you know , intimidation at low speed. well, the kindergarten is fine, but animals are definitely harmed by animals, it's also a pity for people who fall under the influence of all this russian aggression, but this is the reality that we there are people and animals and everyone who hates putin, thank you for an interesting conversation, as always vitaly portnikov was with you