information on them. here is the amount that has been accumulated. thus, due to the donation, it will be paid for the relevant information, but it may not be all, that is, on the website it is indicated to and before the number there is the word to, that is, it depends on what quality it will be information if it is, for example, there is an active phone number of some general who is wanted by our law enforcement agencies, of course we are interested in it, but it is definitely not the whole amount for well, for such a detail. yes, if it is directly information, who decides it subjectively, it is absolutely decided subjectively by members of the board of our fund who are actually part of our team. that is, we cannot, of course , post a general price for all important options, because these options are actually many and there are many cases and people who are on our website at different levels. that is, there are, for example, girkin there are commanders of frigate and there is a certain

vanya saratova, relatively speaking, who came to buchi and well, of course, it is often easier for our special services to work on such people it is possible, uh, that is, it is about the idea of ​​converting money into justice, right. that is, every person can learn, just say absolutely correctly , we are not inventing anything new here, we have taken the experience, first of all, of the united states of america, which actually at the state level offers a reward for people they consider to be terrorists and on the other hand, the experience of israel, which actually searched for german war criminals as long as they existed in this world in different corners of the planet, we wanted to combine these two initiatives, two ideas, so to speak and combine them with the initiative of the state and

public sector. that is, we represent the public sector, of course, and the state part will consist in the fact that when we receive relevant information on the location of, for example, a specific war criminal, of course we will immediately pass it on to our intelligence because we as a public sector, we cannot create and implement such special operations, you said that the fund is a private wing of intelligence, and you talk about cooperation with state bodies. which state bodies cooperate with you willingly cooperate yes and which not so much i saw recently that you turned to the office of the prosecutor general to cooperate and provide you with materials on suspects of war crimes so that you do not have to look for one case per month among a thousand e-e links, i.e. which state bodies cooperate with you not very willingly, but of course we critically depend on the official links

of state bodies because we do not post any persons, any data of these persons. if this person is not officially suspected of having committed a war notebook, this is fundamental for us and extremely important for the acceptance of this idea in the west , because the first question that i am always asked in the united states, for example, how do you use what criteria do you form lists for them, it is very important to these people were not random, so that we did not settle our own accounts, so that we did not order . someone there for money, for money, was referred to our site, that is, there must be an official link , and here, of course, there is a huge problem, because the office the prosecutor general does not make any contacts. despite my personal meetings, i request reassurance that they will provide us with all the information. they did not provide anything, and therefore i am forced to look for these links on the websites of the sbu and the websites of the prosecutor general 's office. and it is very difficult because, first of

all, not all of them exist there, not all of them are open , and secondly, even those that are open, they are compatible with all articles, not only for war crimes. and in general, for example, he is the prosecutor's office expresses her suspicions, all that she has to date , well, that is, there are thousands of cases and i just physically have them. i am currently alone in the fund. who deals with these issues, i simply do not have time for this, that's why this is a problem, and regarding cooperation. well, i am probably the ministry of defense. i talked a long time ago, many months ago, about this idea with the minister of various coffee houses and with kirill budanov, er, and he told me that this is a great idea, we will support you as soon as you receive some information, of course, pass it on and do it. well, here we are. in fact, they did that. ugh, when you say we, but you are the face of the fund, the fund, the initiative of

justice. who else is on the board that you mentioned, apart from me, there are currently six people there, this is janindi giovanni, a well-known human rights defender, reporter, investigative specialist of war crimes in the middle east, this is karen green , a former fbi agent who imprisoned pavlo lazarenko , this is igor kozlovsky, my teacher and also a political prisoner in the past, this is tyra, a well-known uh, this is uh, a car for them uh, and uh, if their well seems to be in everyone andriy dubchak . andriy dubchak. my colleague from radio svoboda, whom they actually met a few years ago , but of course i take the active part now, that is, i am a representative of the burgundy formally, so when there is some promotion of our fund

i will now touch on, i think, the most important question in the conversation, at least the most burning for me, this question is about justice, whether the state or we as a society are generally able to punish criminals and achieve justice. i always use the procedure the last eight years i know that you started to create a fund when in kyiv they detained the baton of this denis kulikovsky commandant and the map of the prison of isolation, which i live peacefully in kyiv and which the law enforcement agency of ukraine had nothing to do with until you started tracking him together with e the international investigators told me at the time that the sbu actually forced him to detain him. i remember

the actions that took place when you were in prison. in the territories where there were mayors of cities who were not punished and so on, from your point of view, the active phase of the war is already underway, a full-scale invasion, many such criminals as palych are walking around in the controlled territories or even in kyiv is free well, i think not many. i hope at least that's all after all, his story is a huge exception - he is a real detective, because he himself came here and for some time really helped our special services, who detained him , so they released him, so i think that such unique cases, if they still exist, there are not many of them because this person was, well, occupied a rather high rank among local militants and had a huge amount of information, so he had something to offer, that is, such people, well, there are not many

in general, probably there will be enough for them spirit to come to the controlled territory myself, that's why i hope, i hope not, then i will ask from the other side, for example, when i spoke about the punishment of evil and in general about justice, for example, i did not mean only such military criminals like palych, for example, other people , for example, literally just a month ago, president sichi vyacheslav boguslaev was arrested by the sbu a month ago, and i suspect him of cooperating with the aggressor state, and the investigation now says that boguslaev has and russian citizenship since 2000 and now it should be shown that motor sich has been at war for 8 months, they continued to supply parts for engines for russian equipment and no one cared about it. i am not talking about the russian orthodox church in ukraine

so what do we know, what role did she play, yes, and only now have we reached our hands, i will point out about uh, hundreds of people who looted ukraine and then now joined the so-called monaco battalion, which are men of draft age who simply somehow left the country yes and whom someone allowed to leave i'm not talking about uh comrades of the porter who served like that who was the chief lawyer of uh yanukovych's regime and likewise in ukraine he is not there someone released him now when you think about it uh do you believe that uh that we will all get through together punish criminals well, i think that such cases definitely take time and time not only to find them, to bring the case to court, but also time for society to understand

what modern russia actually is, that there are more compromises here cannot, and only when there is such a nationwide public request to the state , then the national special service , in particular the security service, will be formed, because it is always when. this question arises masat massad madsad i always say that massat is not just one of the best special services of the planet, it is first of all the powerful national core of israel as a state and only when israel as a national state has consciously formed and understood that otherwise if it does not mass such people as a masat, it simply cannot stand around or around a bunch of enemies , a mustad has just appeared, which can act effectively in us, unfortunately, there is not yet one in the state. even now, when there is a full-scale invasion, a full-scale war to there is no end to this realization, i can see it from the

comments of people who are there on the front line, i mean civilians, they still do not understand how it all happened, and the main thing for them is that there is no war in any way, and there is already no matter what i want russia at least for marusia, i want ukraine while there are such and such opinions in society and a powerful national idea has not been formed - this is the center of the action, then of course we will have people there who will sell some spare parts to russia during the invasion of russia into ukraine next question will be about your slogan evil must have a name and how it can be used by russians this summer this summer writer borys akunin actor mikhail boryshnikov and nut economist serhii nut seems if i'm not mistaken serhii guriev

founded an organization called real russia it was one organization, they help the victims of this war. it seems that everything is noble, but the main message of this organization is that the real russia is not equal to putin, that putin does not speak and act on behalf of all russians, what is the slogan you can read on the page of your foundation that evil must have a name, this is exactly the phrase repeated by good russians who, in the west, call this war not russia, but putin zgur, and deny collective responsibility, they say that evil has a name, and this is the name i am putin, have you ever met such a person, and it is always a matter of course, and the americans, more precisely, are not americans, but the russian diaspora, who left many years ago, left for the states, i listened to this, well, of

course, i meet such thoughts and uh, what can i say here well, first of all, our slogan came about er, it was still a long time before, er, before the arrest of the whip and before the creation of the fund. in fact, as soon as i was released, i had the goal of identifying those people who wore balaclava there in isolation. it was extremely important for me to find out who they were, show their names, their faces, and first for everything to see them in their own family, because often i understand that even the wife has all these cats in one of these houses, for example. she may not understand what her husband does, he just tells me that i want to work there in the so-called gb, so somewhere and for it can actually be a discovery that he has been torturing people with electric current for several years, so it was primarily about insulation when i came up with this gas actually from the side to have a name

and we really for two years ripped off them these masks are ours, i mean the ministry of internal affairs, and the others are former prisoners who gave evidence about these people who saw them often in their faces because i did not see all of them. mostly everything is there when people who were taken out to work and this slogan . fund now applies to everyone we are looking for war criminals, which are not among you, not only because of isolation, but this absolutely does not remove the general responsibility from the russians. as such, of course, it cannot be said that everyone supports vladimir putin's policy and russia's invasion of ukraine, no, not all of them, but first of all most likely, again, most likely, the majority does support, of course, no sociology can be conducted there now, but we can also see from the comments of the wives and relatives of russian prisoners of war from different regions, as a rule, they is apathetic about this war, and war a, as a

rule, support what is happening, and secondly, of course, the collective responsibility of the russian federation it must necessarily be the same as the collective responsibility of the germans , despite the fact that there were germans who, as i recently wrote and took part in the resistance group against the nazis, sat in those same nazi concentration camps for not supporting hitler, but the germans in general and still in germany always say that it is our responsibility for what happened in the years 39-45 and this is told from generation to generation in schools and no one puts a colon and says that this is us, but in addition to these people, they also list those people who were against hyper, no, it doesn't happen like that, it's impossible to just do it, it's general the answer to such questions and then of course when you meet a specific russian here you can already say that this person

has anything to do with what is happening or not it is the same as with the chechens this is this this is the same discourse as the chechen diaspora there in europe she says it's not the chechens that came to ukraine, it's not the shevchens, it's the kadyrivians, well, how do you say chechens? i understand that this is a political statement, but they are chechens. this is what the chechen people are like today . the new generation that does not remember the first and second chechen war, if they are there, they were children, but maybe they are even younger than me and today they are fighting on the side of putin’s russia, so it is also the responsibility of the chechens if we are talking about the modern chechen people, eh, you said about understanding the responsibility of the germans, yes for nazism, and it seems to me that it was actually the disinfection work carried out by the allies after occupying germany, but in particular it

was the colossal influence of the german philosopher karl jaspers, who immediately after the war brought out the main principles that the germans had to be guided by the assessment of their nazi past, and he distinguished there four types of responsibility: criminal, metaphysical, political, moral, etc. do you believe that all of them can have their own russian cal jaspers after the war, eh, i have big doubts , at least because ka- karl jaspers existed before the war, so from then until the 35th year, he was already there in germany, a very powerful poison had formed such

world-class intellectuals in russia now , even those who call themselves liberals there. well, i just hear that kind of rhetoric about which we said something half of what it should sound like today. i think that, unfortunately, the russian federation will it's much worse and you er, we have already started talking about these liberals, we very often call them good russians, and i er, i recently found out that it turns out that the term good russians comes from the term khoroshiniy. actually, this term was invented by the americans in the context of nazi germany, and they used with such a disdainful, heroic tone to those germans who joined in supporting nazism and then in 1945 they began to tell that in their hearts they were against it in their hearts. and now you say that russian

liberals are in no hurry to take on themselves responsibility for the fact that their country, well, in fact, let's say, directly turned into a concentration camp , not only that, but i hear that very often at western conferences, they are good russians who are called the guilty jews of europe and they prove that they are the same victims of putin's regime as ukrainians. have you heard such a narrative, did you really have the opportunity to discuss or speak with such russians? i heard you. well, in general, all that i have heard from russians abroad for more than months now is all that you have now told. well, you know very, very many such people here interesting, they build theories and rationalizations. well, for example, in germany, it’s generally full of putin’s russians who go around telling what and here their students are right, because there really is official and very powerful ukrainian support everywhere,

ukrainian flags are rather hanging and they go around telling what because of this, we are somehow morally oppressed here. and in general, we are the same citizens as everyone else, there is no such thing. at the same time, they hold rallies about putin here in germany and in the states in the states in a different way in the states for the most part they don't support putin's policy and they condemn this war, but there, you know, people are completely detached from reality. they don't understand the cultural context, and that's how they told me. yes , my friend, now we're getting to know each other in the states. their concept is the secret of freedom. what do they call it? so, for example, yes, russians, in general , all their lives, that is, tsarist russia, whether it is the soviet union or modern russia, the state itself oppresses us, we are constantly in a state of semi-slavery, but we have a secret freedom, and this secret freedom

lies in pushkin, dostaev, and tolstuk, because these people are sacred to them in the cultural sense, and they were free in their works, free, and through their works they make free those russians who quietly talk about it in the kitchen, like that, that 's their position. well, i i'm just saying that well, you understand, first of all, for ukraine, it's just ridiculously secret freedom, it's some kind of axiom, it just does n't fit. ukraine and through pushkin and dostoevsky, bombs are falling on you , including that it is absolutely, well, it sounds absurd and you do not see the connection between them, so the russian diaspora abroad is a very specific people, from radicals, that is, about putin to such intellectuals. what else still stuck somewhere in 1994, you asked about

dostoevsky and i remembered your post about wagner's hammer, er, you are talking about the fact that every er, every female aunt who carefully blows the threads off her shoulder is not responsible for this er her husband who speaks about what is needed to kill ukrainians, yes, that is, a russian woman, but i thought. recently, i saw this absolutely terrible video and photos of a molotov launcher of this symbolic, which uh and which handsome person handed over to the european parliament, also symbolically uh and uh, and that’s straight uh-uh, it’s straight, some kind of metaphor uh-uh to the ax of separatists from prestuplenie and nakazaniya this molotovaner, he is already bloodied like this. have

you thought about this? what do you think about why? why do prigozhin and the russians dare to do this? should react to this, and is it even necessary for the west to react to this hammer of wagner, er, which was allegedly handed over to the european parliament? well, i think that it is very, very difficult to compare prigozhina with a schismatic because there are schismatics all the time. roman walks around and thinks about whether he is right did he do it wrong? i think that there is nothing wrong with what he does and he has some problems with his conscience. this is a person in general. well, very much . or am i right? without armed women, actually

i see my parallel is that i see the symbolism in this, that is, in some or you are a human being and you can kill unarmed peaceful people and fakes zero or you nothing in this sense i mean well, i am all the same i do not see how much i do not i watched his comments on the interview. i don't see any thoughts in his mind at all. that is, he is just a scumbag, a maniac who is very rich, who can afford to recruit the same ones from scumbags in the aggregate, there are many tens of thousands to pay them and to do anything because he is covered by putin ot i look at it, it works a lot in your opinion. it seems to me that this is a terrible audacity, that he recorded this video, that they posted these photos on the internet, this hammer, with which i remind you, they killed a person, just for the cameras, so what kind of beauty

did he consider a traitor ? what do you think of the west's reaction to this? i know that the fbi is a voice search, but in your opinion, should the west respond or should it not? well, in fact, the reaction of the west. video recorded there with handcuffs approximately the same as they expect, like an adventure for a beauty in the gas and in general well, for example, i posted this post on twitter, i have a fairly large english-speaking audience there, and i see in the comments that it asks for an explanation. and what is this someone that is, they do not give themselves an account at all, even to what happened before that, what is this hammer for, and what happened for them, it will not happen, that is, in the states, for example, a completely different agenda is there. reaction because well, some lawyer

came there to the european parliament and handed over this young woman , so they probably don't even know how to react. you are now traveling a lot in the west and in the west. and we were in north america for a long time. now you are in germany. i understand that these trips in particular also concern the promotion of the god when i am not criminals fund, e.e., the justice initiative, how is this idea perceived by people in the west, so you meet with people, how do people perceive this idea, people perceive this perfectly if we are talking about ordinary people of civilians who come to the presentation, really everywhere i go, i have one program, first there is a presentation of the book in the states. it was an english-language version of the light path, and then in parallel through this book, through the story from the sticks , at the end, we present the fund lived so often a stronger fund and it is perceived simply it's great as one strategy here everything is logical everything everything everyone

understands everything but before these presentations i started my tour in the states from washington where there were meetings exclusively with officials without a book where there is a presentation the immediate part of the lifeline is in the congress and the state department, and there was a very restrained and sometimes even cold reaction because these people were not ready for the fact that a person would come to them with a concrete practical proposal and not just with the words russia is bad, let's support us they are used to this, so a person comes in, everyone cried, we left, we will show support, everything, and here i am saying specific things, and i brought specific proposals to the united states so that they could help in why well, by the way, we want to make, for example, a part of the fund into an international fund for the search of war criminals, which will focus not only on ukraine, but in general on all war criminals who

, uh, commit crimes in syria, in africa, in the middle east, and then ukraine became one of the categories and not like now if you come in. that is, war crimes are broken down into 17 categories, sword, for example , isolation, sexual valence . among the democracy measures, that is, there was a proposal, including that, and that is why western politicians in america are very tense because they are tensing up, who are asking questions. so you are going to form lists and so on there, that is, for them this is a completely new thing even in the states, so despite the fact that they are doing it at the state level, but ordinary people perceive it as absolutely normal if the money comes. can you track whether

money flows from western citizens, from americans, from europeans into your fund, most of the money we have somehow collected to date is western money through paypal, that is, i can see it. i don't know who it is, but i can see the name. and some people i don't know these are western surnames , not ukrainian, that is, most of the money is from the west in ukraine, unfortunately, well, first of all, again, few people know about us because there is no interest in national tv channels, for example, in our idea, and secondly, it works here ukrainians have a completely different psychology, they are not ready for systematic work, because this idea that we are currently implementing is not even for years or decades . you will throw hryvnias, it is not at all clear to us when

the result will be possible in a month or two maybe in a year or two and here they are ukrainians they react very emotionally to war crimes when they occur and they need bucha a to take place tomorrow today tomorrow there were those who actually committed these crimes on the territory under the control of ukraine, this is simply unreal, and that is why people. i think that because of this, not a lot is invested, namely from the ukrainians. this is such a more distant perspective, it remains, it remains as if secondary in the consciousness of people, although although it is primary, just like the army