years ago, the invaders hit the dress, it is impossible to restore it, other partially damaged volovets women are monuments of sacred art, the ancient slavs erected them on mounds and mountains and considered them their idols immediately after this incident, the ministry of culture and information policy announced that the volovets women would be evacuated from the mountain, but they did not do this until now with the evacuation of artistic values ​​in ukraine. in general, it is already difficult in the garden. before the war, our cultural institutions turned out to be completely unprepared, repeated public statements of the westerners partners about a possible russian invasion in the state department for cultural affairs, it seems that they did not take any evacuation plan seriously, they did not prepare any attempts to at least somehow preserve and hide valuables, enthusiastic museum workers did. but in such a delicate and at the same time voluminous matter as the evacuation of cultural monuments, only their efforts were not enough, but the occupiers took care of the evacuation of cultural values ​​under the word evacuation here, of course

, one should understand looting. this is what the kherson regional museum of russian history looks like today they took everything out of him in the telegram channel of the so -called ministry of culture of the kherson region , they openly declare that on the eve of the withdrawal of their troops from kherson, they also took out works of art from the shevkunenko art museum, a story that has been stored for centuries and will now be in a safe place until the situation improves in the city , we consider such a decision correct, if a similar decision is not taken, the actions of the peace and kyiv regime may be erased, the culture and history of the homeland, paintings from the kherson artist the museum has already caught the eye of crimea, in particular, in the central taurid museum in simferopol, it is interesting that shortly before the russian invasion, the shevkunenko art museum in kherson began a large-scale renovation, the institution fell under the government

program of major restoration, so while the russians were withdrawing troops to the ukrainian border, the ministry of culture financed the reconstruction of the museum instead to allocate money for the evacuation of the art collections of the sperfront city and other cultural losses caused by russia in ukraine in the nine months of the great war, they have not yet been counted to the end, and these are not only paintings or other museum rarities, but also archives and library funds. also, people met the conductor of the kherson philharmonic, yuriy karpatenko, for refusing to cooperate with the occupiers, singer, theater and film actor, territorial defense volunteer pavlo died under shelling in irpen, ballet soloist of the national opera oleksandr shapoval gave his life for his homeland at the front, and honored artist oksana shvets became a victim of rocket fire in kyiv and there are many such sad examples, and it is simply impossible to assess these losses for ukrainian culture.

iryna ostrovska, espresso tv channel, ms. olga, i would like to ask you, because you have been involved in that since the first days of the invasion, you have been involved in what was taken to museum treasures from kyiv, you helped with the evacuation of museums and and art centers all over ukraine, and already after the deoccupation of kyiv region, they traveled and collected what became new museum exhibits. but if we talk about the first days of the invasion, was it possible to prevent our museum funds and our museum collections from being stolen, and did the ministry of culture do anything the day before well, you know, on the one hand, you really spent time in this plot saying that we were not preparing for a full-scale invasion, despite the fact that we were warned and, uh, somewhere about a month before

, they had already said that it would definitely happen, i will tell you with the experience of the maidan, we understood and received signals from international partners that the collection of our museum could be subject to special attention in the event of an occupation in such a manner of direct aggression and, of course, on the one hand, we could expect some specific instructions from the ministry, on the other hand, there are instructions that regulate how the leadership can hmm, what steps can it take, and what steps can it take, and we were ready for evacuation and on the morning of the 24th, we were in the museum, we had all the documents ready and we did all this in accordance with the legal framework, we evacuated our most valuable objects, evidence of the revolution of dignity and other national

-ukrainian revolutions, to safe places, that is, really here if the responsibility is also on the ministry, but also on the management of the museums, to what extent, in such a situation, there is always a question of who is ready to take responsibility . so, in the end, i am convinced that this has become a lesson for everyone, because the future actions were already more coordinated and already if of course time has passed perhaps in some cases it is impossible exactly in some cases we have lost precious time and thus lost and hm and valuable things er objects of heritage but here on the one hand we really need criticism, but on the other hand, analysis, and that's not shifting responsibility in our country, it's not football, we don't have this ball of responsibility to pass it to each other and still analyze

. uh, an investigation is already underway, and sooner or later we will receive some conclusions from the investigators, and those people who called, whose this or that happened, the kidnapping, the removal of ms. almiro , and sooner or later, we will receive some conclusions from the investigators, and there will be some punishment invasion about what is possible, actually this invasion was talking about it, did foreign special services warn about it, or did they turn to you for advice on what to do as a person who, in principle, has already experienced something like this once in his life, as a specialist, in fact, i want you to know about what in response to your questions say that the war began in february 2014 and if we were ready for this

full-scale aggression, we probably knew more about what exactly russia took out of these museums in the territory of the currently occupied crimea, we would knew all these lists, we would know for sure all immovable landmarks of local importance that are currently located on the zno in the occupied territories after which it was occupied after february 2012. we would probably have done more work of such an educational our museum workers how to behave during such situations so that the museum workers were not in despair and did not know what to do and they acted, frankly, on their own fear and judgment, precisely in february 2022, because this is a matter of

cultural heritage protection in february in 2022 turned into the protection of themselves and their families , and we saw that some experts in the protection of the monument, unfortunately, very quickly left the territory of ukraine, some went to the armed forces, some were completely inaccessible to them. libraries, archives, nature reserves, she held on to the extraordinary personal who headed this museum and herself, almost physically, tried to protect with such a small number of personnel, to protect cultural heritage objects, this activity was held on of volunteer activities, this activity was based on the colossal international support for that well,

unfortunately, yes. unfortunately, i believe that we were not ready and did not prepare properly for these lessons that we have had since 2014. unfortunately, and especially, such activities targeting of all the territories that are on the border of the occupied territory until 2022. i mean the autonomous republic of crimea and some areas of donetsk and luhansk regions, we did not pay such attention to it. i also want to return to a very important issue - these are the international conventions that we ratified. this is the 1954 igan convention and the first and second protocols to it, which form

rules of conduct. tools that are laid down in international law , we have to prepare for them in due time, you understand. and we did not conduct this preparation. unfortunately, i really support this idea that it is not possible to criticize like that now, it should be like this a constructive approach to this, but still such systematic work. even now, i do not see certain fragmentary such actions, let's say jerks in this activity, there is a very good initiative to document all crimes and violations that we are currently observing on the territory of ukraine, but such systematic activity that would it included a certain documentation of almost all violations that are currently there, informing our international partners and

ukraine itself about these crimes, conducting an investigation into these actions, preparing a counter attack, that is, what do we say in response to what russia is doing now? yes, i don't know any reflections on the return of these cultural values ​​that were exported and so on . unfortunately, i do not see the work today, thank you, mr. anatoly, you said that modern technologies of all kinds allow us to save archival documents more by the fact that we can digitize them, so now we have the ninth month of a full-scale invasion, or is there actually some uh policy digitization in case of something because well, it may

not even be, the occupiers may not even come and physically take this document from the archive, but a missile may hit and this archive may burn. for the position of the head of the civil service, there was no program for the digitization of ukrainian archives at all, that is, until 2019, we summed up the results, and there they knew about digitization from the paradisiacal, somewhere on their own, somewhere separate projects, etc. here in ukraine 86 million storage units of archival files are stored, that’s billions of copies, we are big in the archival plan of the country, there would be such that all this would be digitized for 1000 years, exactly 1000 years as of 2019.

until now, even under my leadership, the state has not allocated money, it is directed somewhere on some program of digitization of active documents, but we took a different path, we opened absolutely for everyone, both ukrainian and international partners and all the world leaders in the digitization of ukrainian archives came to ukraine with their projects, we closely we cooperate, and last year we already stated that the rate of digitization of the ukrainian archives system increased by almost 500 percent, but recently i even signed a separate post about it literally yesterday , three years of my tenure in office. of all his affairs in cooperation

with partners with an american organization, it is lesoch who is the world leader in the digitization of genealogy, but here he is a real example, that is, the archive can be completely digitized in 10 years and i do not know well, that is, all of us are temporarily in these positions. but we can say that in three years, we managed to show the possibility of crossing this rapid limit, that of coming to a position when the archives are digitized in a thousand years and show that the archives can be completely digitized in 10 years. of course, there is different nuances, it is obvious that not everything should be digitized, because not everything is so, well, in demand, so interesting for our researchers, but it is quite realistic to digitize in the perspective of exactly 10 years

the main set of documents that are also interesting for of civil society and for the state, it is a pity that this sky was made earlier, but well, as you say, it is never too late, and i think that we are still in this plan. well, the war once again pushes both society and the state to understand the importance of archival matters , because i would like to say a few more words that we did not prepare, that nothing was done in six months, but we will present that well, there was an instruction to prepare for the evacuation of the archives, safe areas were determined where to move, for example, 50 million units of storage in each region of the archive we can't just move the documents to some basements where they rot,

it's obvious that well, to be honest, this is not only a problem of ukraine. that is, it's a problem of the whole world, and when i speak at pan-european archival forums, well, they're very interested in how we deal with these problems we are fighting because it is obvious that especially the countries of central and eastern europe look at our experience, both positive and negative, in order to understand if this aggression went further, what they should do in such conditions. well, they learn from ours somehow blunders and mistakes, that is, they have to gradually look at who to take an example from, or, on the contrary, to do it in a completely different way, we had no one to look up to, although in principle, we already have the ninth year of the war, too could you make some definite conclusions, mr. leonid, these are the russian

occupiers who are looting our funds, archives, they are doing it simply because they are looters or are they doing it on purpose. do they have instructions from the russian authorities and they know what they are doing. what are they doing? they are stealing what they are carrying and i think that it is what what they do corresponds to their concept that ukrainians do not exist, ukraine does not exist, and that is why they are trying to remove everything possible from our cultural heritage, but i would like to say a little about something else so that we have my experience of preserving our cultural heritage in previous years, even in the previous era a-a in the fantastic collection of the national art museum what is called a-a art of the 20-30s was preserved after there were instructions from the authorities to destroy these works as the germans said

degenerate works of their time in the nazi in germany, we were told that it should be transferred to a special warehouse and destroyed there, thank god our people understood the importance of these collections and did not destroy them, and that is a great merit of dmytro gorbachev and his colleagues who collected it for decades when they spoke now and spoke correctly about it how are you trying to digitize the heritage now? but i would like to say that before this invasion, this invasion may have aggravated this issue quite a bit, or a small part of the ukrainian cultural heritage remains outside the attention of these institutions that took place in one way or another and changed, but not much has changed since the days of independence . as a center of jews in the mohyla

academy, we managed to preserve the archives of jewish writers of those who went through the second world war, and then practically all of them came together and we collected their archives for their descendants they were not needed, they were afraid to teach their children, so that this should be an accusation , just as there was an accusation of ukrainian nationalism of those who deliberately spoke ukrainian, and the problem is with the dissident heritage, we are now created a center for the preservation and research of dissident heritage in the kyiv-mohyla academy, the impetus to some extent was the fact that part of the archive of vyacheslav chornovol was destroyed. leonida cherevatenko they

, er, remained, but they are not part of the heritage protected by the state, the same er, applies to film studios in soviet times, films were broadcast in moscow and there in their white columns we keep these copies. far from all copies are with us , especially since it was necessary to translate them into russian for the russians, otherwise they would not accept it, and now enthusiasts to a large extent collect these cassettes from enthusiasts and try to distill them so that it remains ukrainian heritage. and this is huge our history has already been filmed in the 20th century . almost everything was filmed. it’s good that the dovzhenka center is doing it, but we also know about these attacks on the

dovzhenka center. ukrainian culture has similar preservation problems, which may be a little softer than preservation of literary heritage. for example, there is a museum on the territory of sofia where many archives have been preserved for some time. in soviet times, there were commissions after the death of a writer who took care of his legacy, now there is no such thing. the same situation has been created for the arts, well, it is a little easier because there are collectors who in some cases works are preserved, and some of them are not, so there are problems that need to be asked more broadly, what is ukrainian cultural heritage, how to preserve it, where are the white spots

that need to be identified and solved somehow now, i think that this is our task as an intellectual of the cultural community of the country somehow. well, this was before the full-scale invasion and before the war. i was on a business trip to st. petersburg at the hermitage. the director of the hermitage was there. all kinds of exhibits are presented, this is what you can see, and it is definitely not signed from ukraine. well, not ukraine, not there, not chernihiv region. and this is the signatory of the russian empire. i asked the director why it is the signatory of the russian empire. how come the russian empire no longer exists, there is ukraine ? and why? it is not indicated that it is from ukraine, to which he said that there was once a russian empire, so it is, and

it should be, we will someday get back everything that is being exported not only now, but has been exported for centuries, well, at least what was exported for the last century from ukraine and now it is signed not from ukraine but the russian empire. the soviet union is still somehow but definitely not marked that it is ukraine. it is difficult because these paintings or these sculptures or these manuscripts go through a certain number of transfers from one to another and the legal basis for returning

this or that heritage is extremely complex. i have seen all processes, i saw all the documents regarding the heritage of the jews that were looted during the second world war during the holocaust, it is very, very difficult to return it, a small percentage can be returned . therefore, there is no special hope here, there is no need to do as much as possible in order to save , hide, not give destroyed and i know that it is a lot of work for this, i know the experience of the voznytsky gallery, which taras wozniak does and transfers certain of our works of art to be exhibited in lithuania or poland in the same way in the national art museum, they do the same, they hid even more valuable

exhibits, in the same way in the khanenki museum, what can be done now seems to me, one way or another, what we have is being done, mr. anatoliy, and your forecasts, but please be very brief, we have three minutes left for everyone to express themselves there, it is most difficult after the victory and this is the general mood of many european countries, well, in the archival field, because i was at conferences there, the heritage is tainted, well , in fact, there is no european country and of eastern central europe, which should not come to russia, which at one time looted their archives, it is obvious that, at least under my leadership, the state archives service of ukraine will not sign any agreements on cooperation with the updated russian federal archival agency without the issue of returning these documents that were stolen in that's why i, well, i believe that our

victory opens up opportunities for the return, as i said at the beginning of our program, not only of the stolen documents, but of the veils that happened before, well, i hope for that, you have less than a minute, these victories but we need to prepare for this, it is a complex process and a framework, a legal framework, even international conventions on the restitution of cultural values, it is very difficult and not easy. therefore, we need to prepare for it now, and ms. olga, your forecasts agree with everything previously said , it is very important to prepare here indeed, i have already said to clearly understand what it is to have a clear list not only of those things that must be returned, but we also have to talk about compensation for those losses that

we have suffered and also it is important to remember not only about the heritage that belonged to the museum fund or the archival fund of ukraine, but also about these private collections because we also have information about their looting and this is also our national heritage, that is, in fact, we are talking about a huge and massive complex of tasks and our the task now is to make sure that we do not lose sight of anything important here to have this list of what exactly we want to return or compensate thank you thank you gentlemen for the conversation i will remind you that here is the form of central and eastern europe via carp 20-22 we are talking about preserving heritage in the conditions of war and also in conclusion i will add that the stanislav vincent prize for humanitarian service and contribution to the development of the regions will be awarded on this form via

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