80 if pop music raised very serious topics , but now it's getting more and more well, just like that , i don't know, i fell in love today i'll dance i liked your eyes and tomorrow morning i won't be able to sleep let's dance because i'm in love , you know the score i want to specifically say such field places. name which ones are characteristic for us in ukrainian, and pop music. first of all, it is about phonetics and spelling, that is, if you listen, there is a very noticeable slurred speech. to a normal ear, the impression is that some people sing with their mouths sewn shut and with diarrhea, there are too many sonorous sounds, i understand where this comes from, this is such an absolute copying

of an english-language song like this one, where there are many sonorous sounds, but such an absolute transfer of copying, it gives absolutely nothing to our culture further. if we talk about the syntax, a huge number unrepentant elementary illiterate people with whom we don't speak those and generally we don't write poetry, it's some kind of formal ukrainian language, it's not alive, you understand in many songs and i also understand the reason for this is that many people who used to sing in russian now, taking into account the quotas that exist, and now in general, if the ukrainian-language broadcast is full, they simply continue to write only in ukrainian what they wrote in russian, but they lack experience and skills, many do not understand what to write good professional texts are as

difficult as writing an arrangement, you need to know how to do it and have experience and skills and a sense of style and have a huge vocabulary, this is creativity, this is serious creativity, so i am very happy noting this degradation, i know its subjective and objective reasons, i'm just thinking how to get out of this situation and i have certain thoughts on this matter and how, well, first of all, the top manager of our fm stations should pay more attention to the fact that for the works are heard in their playlists, perhaps we should introduce the positions of editors for whom the norms and rules of broadcasting are not empty sound, they existed before and now somewhere, well, you can return the newspaper to the radio from the lever. i think that 100 l.

doctors have been returned to our information system space can change a lot, for the second time in our country there is a position of a language ombudsman, he should be interested not only in the quantitative indicators of the sound, but also in the quality of the sound of that product, perhaps it is worth creating some kind of public council, we had such a period when they began to destroy public ethics councils from other there are supervisory councils to create a council under the ombudsmen who paid attention to such strange things to the people who monitored our information space. well, thirdly, we have many professional poets in ukraine, literacy experience, they could help our creators overcome this amateurism, help them write a text for the channel, as i am ready for this, i

think that most of my colleagues, professional poets, are members of the writers' union . you understand the problem with this information space that we have a broken link between generations, each generation starts over and this is part of the illustration that i have already shown here, we are on the air, this is for example a song that is even being sung now vakarchuk there, which was written by one of those from babkin. and where, for example, the coffee shop is burning a lantern, he is brewing something, not coffee, but tea, so that is, coffee shop, that is, the word that you have means, well, this faucet of fish is used for beautiful glasses, do you understand some papuan language? well

, because it cannot be called otherwise, but a person thought that he had invented a new word, a neologism, but this word was invented, it turns out that persia is still there, it exists in most of the world's languages, in principle, this is how it will be in english, coffee will be coffee in german, and coffee will be in ukrainian, but it turns out that ukrainian coffee is not caviar, but barista, but please speak very english, you know, but i thought about the fact that we have such a specific informational space, that among our fm stations there is not a single one that broadcasts, for example, a folk song or, uh, strata standards, works of the 60-70s x 80s in russia, there are several such effects on poetry, you understand, for example, the ukrainian people have about er-e 200,000 folk songs and all of this is now buried deep under this slag and sludge, which today if it dominates the information space, you need folk

song - this is our heritage, this is our treasure, equal to what other peoples of the world are proud of, each of us has our own national song, and i will add just a little bit of this, this, and this betrayal, and did you pay attention to what these new songs are ? now there are a lot of young performers on fm stations, a lot of them really sang all this time in russian and so on and so forth, i won’t even name them, but their main motive now is this. i would call it not osharavarshchyna, that is, they themselves without i think anyway forced to start singing something on the theme kalinka raspberry so it's somewhere like this, half russian, half some kind of lubochno, er, sharovarschyna, something like that, i know where it sprouts like that, and i understand that i probably just need time, the market is spare, put everything in its place, some new ones will grow collectives

are not up to that, now everyone just wants to say yes and insist for manipulating their ukrainianness, like forget everything that was before now i am very ukrainian conclusion kalinka, this is a little one, i am very, very careful with such terms like sharovarshchyna because they were once thrown into our information space and misunderstood , it caused enormous damage, this word and this term you understand i can understand those people who use this vocabulary, it is us, it is new, they are the majority of those performers and authors somewhere from eastern ukraine, they are bad studied at school, they did not study the ukrainian language, they do not know ukrainian poets , and they focus on some pubic songs that sounded there, my native land, and so on , they are used by everyone as a standard. but they still have there is another problem in them: they are completely

unable to build any figurative and semantic constructions in the ukrainian language; the texts are not coherent; they do not have a plot; they do not have an internal relationship; they fall apart separately into jumbled phrases, such that ukraine is colored by a cause-and-effect relationship in the phrases themselves and terrible, you can listen to these three songs and the mood just falls, you know , it's a shame for our entire culture, something should be done objectively, something should be done about it, i sometimes have this impression well, when i listen to certain songs there, what are they the texts are generated by some kind of artificial intelligence, in which phrases we know are thrown and he somehow mixed something there, mixed it, moved it, placed it, and then, and then there is such a text. well, for example, i will read you one that

struck me. i found out who sings it. i found this text and decided to reread it because i thought, maybe i didn't understand something from that song. for example, the pictures on the asphalt behind us are biting so painfully. the verbs are no longer worth it, as if the viburnum sky has fallen. crying on the way back, there will be no victory either, well, you know, it seems to me that you have just insulted artificial intelligence, because it is a very serious thing, artificial intelligence, it is understood in the vocabulary , and this is just such a blind use of ukrainian phonemes. and you know what you compared to that, the phrase "our geese have flown away, we are going to different parties" sounds just like a classic, you already understand, because here the deliberate use of youth slang, there is the image of geese, as something

inevitable, which flew away, and so on, that is, i i can analyze every phrase from the point of view, but what you have become simply does not fall at all, does not fall under any evaluation criteria, you know, but at this moment, i imagine that some young people are looking at us and saying eh bohdan stupka but someone but for example, they watch let me touch music critics who make up to a certain extent or there write some reviews of those hot tens go and so on they say listen to this is what is coming young they are this you are just you just uh i am dad who how there how there old perebendya is wanted stab well, it's snarling that it's grinding with a chicken to drink something and so on, it's interesting, you know, i think what would be said by those young people who get on a plane and find out that

the chief pilot does not have a professional education. or a doctor who is considering a serious operation or puts an elementary cast on some biker there or someone who rides a board and puts it there wrapped in ropes and says it's normal, the main thing is simple and so on, that is, it is necessary to extrapolate this problem to other problems and to show that skill is needed everywhere in everything , it's not about age. i sometimes get high from those things that are written by young but intelligent, intellectual, creative, inspired people, but i categorically do not accept the same scum that is simply written to some musical sequence, like some kind of fish, as the professionals call it in principle, these

intervals it's just terrible, it's so unprofessional not to end on such a minor note at least there is something from all that comes from our fm stations and from our music tv channels, at least there is something one such cool thing, you heard and said, this is what is needed. well, i already said, i will call upon myself, and if there was a barrage of fire from those people who supported me, because, for example, i like this song, it 's about geese and hanging out, it's an example of that how is the vocabulary consciously used, for example, i like it a lot, for example, there is a song by vakarchuk, who has a specific ability to feel into a slang phrase , that is, you understand the principle of writing a song - these are theses that are then formed with antitheses into a certain conclusion and well, right away, i can't say, but if

we will come back to this someday, i will specially prepare examples of negative and positive of some uh such things so that it can really be seen that this is not a criticism and this is an interested conversation, a dialogue that should never be interrupted. thank you very much for this conversation anatoliy matviychuk, singer, poet composer, journalists, presenter, music analyst, teacher, scientist, people's artist of ukraine, by the way, the laureate of literary awards was in touch with us today, and we talked a little about which of the new ones he likes, this is a song by wellboy. and we we go to different parties and our geese have flown away to the music of the blues, i'm not taking off your blouse. and we are going to different parties and our geese have flown to the music of the blues, i'm taking it off to your blouse. it was the chorus of this song. heard something the same but som so to sum up sum up it is clear that if it all fits together and

forms like this, as one of the very famous ukrainian linguists andriy sudomora says, a new language uzos, but that is, what is part of the habit of communication , and coffee can eventually end up with everything that's how you'll come, everyone they will say i work as a coffee maker, not a barista , yes, yes, and they will be executioners. on the contrary, put a little barista on my sandwich. here's to the whole thing. well, it can be, but, since ukraine is ukrainian now, it is also a linguistic identity, since a lot of people speak ukrainian. it is elastic enough. i would say that it is plastic. it seems to me that some other people should somehow, those who know, those who are capable should somehow try to influence it so that the ukrainian language does not decline and does not continue to russify because they have been russified for tens of years, you understand, and there is a clichéd language of some kind nightingale kalynonka bowed girl girl nka

was really upset we need to get rid of this kind of thing, because it is that sharovarschyna that they tried to stuff us into these sharovashna frames, or into these sharovars in soviet times, now we will ask what do you like to hear from ukrainian recently? cars, what are you listening to, and these are the last ones. it's probably 4-5 years old. hardkiss. yeah, you know. i'm a child of rock and roll from the 70s and 80s, and that's how it is in my playlists. everything is mixed up, but the song about geese that you quoted. i know, i've heard it many times and i think it's a mini-masterpiece that's a cool

reflection of ukrainian music. you do n't want to switch when we have another one. we will actually lie down of knowledge that you were in germany and not only in germany and not only i have a big trip around europe, well, tell me a little about where you were. what, what, what did you come back with? look, first of all, this is germany. of course, this is berlin. this is a big security conference. it is actually second in importance after the munich conference, and it can be called the nato conference, because there were primarily nato representatives and nato's position on future events , and there was the main, of course, the main event, this is the main topic - this is ukraine's war for its

independence, they look at it very interestingly firstly, like any military, they learn, including how our armed forces fight and adopt some nuances, some maneuvers from us , secondly, they had many such topics, many such theses, very interesting, and from the nato leadership, what do they understand that russia is an empire, that’s what they say, the imperial set, uh, there are no other uh, alternatives, and in this regard, they understand that the next after ukraine in imperial intentions are poland and the baltic countries, and they need to be conquered, and in the end, we all did not die there i was told early on that ukraine and nato should win and win in this war, and ukraine and the russian empire have no place on the political maps of the world. it was very comforting for me to hear about it, uh, that the military went much further than

diplomats than politicians. although the minister of foreign affairs of germany joined this voice and confirmed such intentions of the nato union and accordingly although it can be reduced to the fact that he is a representative of the party that will always support such and such the so-called green party in contrast to this democracy further, i was in vilnius, there was another congress with the names of kasparovy khodakovsky, there were also very interesting events, i compared them with the trends that have changed in the last six months, and they are very far along six months ago, it was definitely the imperialists, now they are talking about the fact that the russian people are not responsible for this war. is it putin's responsibility? now, four months later, they already admit that it is russia's responsibility, this is the war of russian

society, not only putin's. what is russian? society must atone for its sin and its guilt, and moreover, they no longer insist that the imperial structure geographically and politically should be preserved, they are already thinking about it and i already agree with the fact that the russian empire is dead, it must disintegrate, they must disintegrate after the war with ukraine, after the victory of ukraine, will have different political and geographical contours than the ones it has today , they perceive it with such longing, but they don't even argue anymore, well, there have already been meetings with representatives of the british establishment, for example with lord zasman, this is the closest press to boris johnson, and he once again assured that britain, poland and their partners are ready to defend ukraine side by side and are ready to take up arms if necessary, unlike the united states and

about what they are, he directly said that the united states until now, unfortunately, has not decided on the goal they want to achieve . in front of the tasks, if they themselves are unable to draw a picture of the future at zero, let us draw it for them and they will accept it, and this is our biggest task to date . form, namely in the kyiv security department. as far as i know, did they also discuss these issues regarding the military configuration in and the place of ukraine in this configuration, that there were more such urgent needs, you know , i wasn't there, i don't know who told you that, yes, god, i i think you were there, maybe there were a lot of

people there, and okay, i can't lie to you, so i'll show you how it is, there were a lot, if you continue this rhetoric of my colleague oleg, since we're doing such an excursion, well, first of all, for sure, let's start very briefly from the fact that we finally reached here in ukraine an understanding of how important it is that ukrainian politicians, regardless of party affiliation, should be present as much as possible at western platforms . we did not do much in previous years and how important is now the physical presence of ukrainian politicians in the maximum number of events, all our rhetoric must be constantly supported, the rhetoric of our colleagues and partners must be constantly adjusted, because there is always a

desire, even casually, to turn a little , maybe not exactly in the direction we need and here the presence of ukrainian politicians in the european union, in the united states, and in great britain is absolutely critically important. that is , it is a great work that needs to be done further. it will depend a lot on how we will continue to move on the way to victory. and regarding the specifics of my er recent travels er, if you narrow it down, it was a very interesting er conversation in the gas. in short, i can only confirm for the listeners that the international criminal court in asia is very substantively dealing with issues of war crimes in ukraine. those people who lead the ukrainian direction made an absolutely phenomenal impression on me. i was

very surprised. i saw a lot of different experienced and professional people in their lives, but those people who lead the ukrainian investigation look super professional. well, they are simply at the highest level, they are as informed as possible. they know everything very well, and they work every day to bring war criminals to justice , at the same time, which for me was another strange e- i will not go into detail, but i recognized it and i am very satisfied that the representatives of the international criminal court spoke very positively about their daily cooperation with the general prosecutor of ukraine with especially the so-called war department headed by bilousov with the ministry of justice of ukraine and in matters where they intersect with the national police, that is, they confirmed to me that everything they need is provided, again they complimented the verkhovna rada of ukraine and probably in my committee when we worked changes to the

criminal law, which, let's say, completely legalized the present investigators of the international criminal court in ukraine as part of the investigative group of the general prosecutor's office, and the most important probably at this moment, when all efforts are usually focused on the collection of evidence, the preservation of evidence and the transfer of this evidence, weight, well, my question is whether we still need some regulatory and organizational help in matters of evidence transfer, weight , the answer was no, we have everything set up, everything works, summing up, it all creates a very for me , it is a particularly positive mood that what we have been demanding since the first weeks of the war is what has now become mainstream in the rhetoric of the political leadership of ukraine and our allies that victory without prosecution of criminals will not happen , this is not only our desire, our dream. and this is

already a real process, which i have no doubt will be brought to an end, the machine of justice , it is harnessing a little slowly. i mean european justice, but it moves relentlessly if on there is political will, resources, and now it looks like all the components are available, so russian criminals will be punished. well, it’s great that in the world there is such a small question. it has arisen in recent days that we we talked about the justice of themis and so on. and we talked about it here, and it is very good that mr. andriy said about the hague, it is very ethical, very important, it is necessary to solve the following issue . and now in the areas of bryansk, belgorod and kursk regions, the so-called wagner military base is being operated, they have created bases there prigozhin created bases, they operate there in the amount of about 30,000 bayonets. they have their own qualities, and what we see, we imagine

that, in principle, this is against an army that can create and defend the conditional bryansk kursk and belgorod the republic of the people's republics and the beauty can in the near future claim to create their own small state on these borders and form such an army to be an opponent of the empire. having in mind the acquisition of his state, what he saw, by the way, in africa and raw take and this is already visible and the conversations that we have in the reports confirm such a possibility and there is a great poetic great ethical question for the useful collapse of the russian empire . independence is demanded. independence is obtained in this way. by destroying the russian empire in our favor, the question arises whether we

support it or whether we will still demand the same beauty to condemn, that is, strategically killing our tour, this is a great poetic question, what are we going to do with it ? that is, once again we support the initiative in the creation of separate national republics, or will we continue to disperse and kill this strategic goal, and here we need to find some kind of answer to this ethical question. i thought that in we don't have a strategy for what to do with muscovites in the event of a sudden, rapid liberation of crimea, but it turns out that your opinion goes much further to the people's deputies, i will explain this story of the liberation of crimea and the creation of the collapse of the empire, they are parallel, it is not sequential, that is, the events will happen, they will happen insanely fast and together, and we need to look for answers right now, and how will we behave, what do we

support, and what do we not, do we support kadyrov if he demands independence, candles or us we will demand his sentencing to the hague or how to do it or with a headshot if he creates a formation bank and creates the brian people's republic what do we do with it do we support it or do we say no anyway we are doing this, it will all be parallel and it will be such a whirlwind of events to begin with. if you allow it right away, we have already had such a worldview discussion, i told you futuristic. yes, i agree with you because what oleg says is a bit certain mysticism you you know, in my objective opinion, there is a fairly simple answer to this question, there is an old formula , it is impossible to achieve justice by illegal means, it is impossible, accordingly, i think there is a huge exaggeration regarding the possibility of carrying

out any national projects, so to speak, in modern russia, or is it still a little different story, but we must act exclusively systematically and consistently, all those who committed war crimes must be punished, period. and the fact that the possible collapse of the russian empire will be accompanied by an internal war is actually absolutely everything to us one of them will kill whom and in what sequence this will happen less, but we must understand that according to all the data i know, there is no great hope for any significant national identification, the ability of some regions to seriously use their interests , chechnya stands apart, so in to some extent, this is tatarstan. but i am afraid that this is more our desire than the reality of modern russia, so let's focus on realistic things that are understandable and those that are understandable

in the west, and in the end, fully supporting in the west, war criminals should, for example, be punished, for example. for example, how should we treat the luxurious lifestyle of the deputy head of the president's office, kyril tymoshenko? that is, in principle, it doesn't matter, the main thing is that he is his boyfriend for now, is it still necessary to talk about it, you are wrong, they become those events from which you will be very surprised, you do not know everything about that gentleman who has a luxurious life there, there are questions about a less than luxurious life and there are questions about the ethics and honor of this person, of course, i actually had this on attention simply at this time when the ethics of her are already being discussed for the first time but nevertheless, now journalists have conducted an investigation and told this person no no no no