those who are understood in the west and in the end fully supported by the west, war criminals should be punished, for example. for example, how should we treat the luxurious lifestyle of the deputy head of the president's office, kyril tymoshenko? that is, in principle, it does not matter, the main thing is that he is his boyfriend for now . do we still need to talk about it, you are wrong, there are events on the site that will surprise you very much, you do not know everything about that gentleman, what a luxurious life there is, there is a question of a less than luxurious life, and there are questions ethics and honor of this person. well, of course, i actually meant this, just at this time, when for the first time there is already a discussion about ethics, it is less active now, journalists have conducted an investigation and did not say to this person, no-no-no, uh, or somehow there is no

i know that this person was suspended from his position, but on the contrary , they told the journalists that it was the journalists who used the video from the surveillance cameras without authorization. it is undoubtedly due to those who initiated it, they simply do not understand everything, but they will feel it, and it will not affect the whole country, and i i think that just in the west, even easy things draw attention to this issue of a person, uh, about whom we have already spoken about this person being unethical, that she does not understand that she does not work, we are god with him, she is setting up ukraine for her own house, the president, and it is a pity that he does not understand this, how to make this person understand that she has understood any means, how to make it clear, and here again i do not agree with p. andriemsya, the history of humanity is based on illegal methods, even ukraine, if you look at the creation of the

independence of ukraine in the year 91, it also evokes there are many doubts about its legality, but now let's go into the deep plow of historical events, this is required. and sometimes sometimes actions that look illegal are absolutely cases, including and including the punishment of such persons can occur in historical events, but in illegal ones, there is such a key key the phrase justifies the means justifies the end or the end justifies more precisely the means well but let's not now this this this a deeper discussion really and we really don't have it at this time yes well i would like your reaction or still there should be some kind of reaction from the government to an employee of the same government, er, and not to journalists who conduct investigations and, in principle, do their job, especially in such a time, a time

of war, er, well, they shed light on things on abuse of some well, first of all, it still looks more like clarifying the relationship between some groups in power, eh, as it seems to me, at the same time, of course, there is a big question of ethics here, because even if you suddenly have money, eh, it is now especially difficult to expose showing ability is not i know how to buy or use some luxury cars. well, it’s probably not very good, and in principle, you know what i don’t like and maybe you won’t like it, but in many investigations i really don’t like the holistic narrative, that is, there are rich and there are poor and all the rich are supposedly bad in our country, what about people who honestly earned a lot of money with honest hard work, and this is wonderful, because i really want everyone to be rich, and not like in the soviet union, everyone is poor. tymoshenko, i think she should be more concerned with e-e

nazk, who currently has nothing to do, not only we know, but he constantly invents some kind of work for himself, but please monitor the way of life of high-ranking officials. this is the direct duty of the national agency for the prevention of corruption. you have to answer whether he has enough money honestly earned to lead such a lifestyle. this is the first. and the second is about the investigation into journalists. this is absolutely nonsense, because i, as a person who in the past had i know happiness. is it not happiness to work as a member of the kyiv city council for three years? in the reception rooms , regulations were adopted about the video surveillance system of the city of kyiv. i tried in every way to correct it, but then the majority voted what they voted, and the key conclusion from this is that according to the normative documents of the city of kyiv, access to the information of the video surveillance system has just a huge bunch of individuals and organizations, that is

, it is not some kind of closed information that only the police or some specially trained people have access to people, no, this is a huge access network that is legalized, i always said that it is wrong, because in fact the surveillance system of video surveillance of the city of kyiv provides the possibility of what is called neserde , not glasnost, investigative actions. this system has been approved by the kyiv city council, and they will understand that access to this information is practically indefinite, so the police have nothing to do with it, and above all there is the question of ethics, ethics is a bit what is outside the law is what determines social relations and the behavior of politicians, so i think that the president's office should just think about how much it increases and destroys their

collective reputation, because there was one very unpleasant story with these hatchback cars. as far as i understand, the use of a humanitarian car that was provided to us by the americans and, in fact, the president's office admitted that yes, kirill drove this car and he said, well, i will not drive again, that is they actually admitted that it was an ethical violation, but there were no consequences. for example, i don't know what happened to this particular car, who is driving it now, what happened to others there, how many, how many, 20 or 40, did they transfer those pickups, for example, to genoa motors, where are they now, well, that is if you have already said what you said to the ato, tell us and here we are . the problem with the current top of the government is that they are not ready to admit mistakes. i have preached all my professional life that admitting mistakes is the best and strongest characteristic, a leader is not necessary

they won't keep anything quiet if there is some sort of inconsistency or who needs to be told calmly. yes, there was one, two , three, and it was easier for everyone, but unfortunately, it is still considered in certain circles in pechersk as an admission of weakness, and they continue and very often keep silent about things that are actually of public importance public outcry, as in the case of all these expensive cars used by the leadership of the president's office, which certainly does not honor the president's office during the great war, and solving this problem is very simple, in fact, for this is simply necessary, and i will also add regarding what andriy said about the article well, look, we had queen elizabeth ii in great britain, who has her own status, but this status did not prevent her from working during the second world war in the relevant battalions that were engaged in the repair of automobile equipment and fortune and status and it was not interfered with at all

and no one then showed that she can buy buy and that you can not buy it well, how does someone like a volkswagen golf or what? no, that is the second question, really no one is against what a person can there is something to allow there, the question was a little different there andrii for everything there is a time that is fine thank you thank you gentlemen ethical discussions oleg dunda and andrii osadchuk people's deputies of ukraine were with us the espresso marathon is going on andrii seichuk and i will be back very soon stay with us war a terrible page in the history of our country , a life-changing experience and people returning from war change, it accumulates inside accumulates accumulates and then it is just like a glass of water so that everything starts to pour out however, the main thing is to start living a new life, not to be startled by the sound of an alarm or

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here with lectures, to give lectures in kyiv, gathering full halls and teaching how to be a journalist properly journalism and actually well, this week, one of the tv anchor journalists of this tv channel said the following words about the fact that they have some kind of e-mail, some telegram channel, where to send some information. in general, they collect money to help non-ukrainian military personnel and to help the russian military, what poor people are freezing in ukraine, they came here with a war to kill ukrainians, then this video appeared after it was immediately cleaned up so that it disappeared , it was nowhere to be found, then some an excuse, an apology, from the management of the rain tv channel in latvia have decided to conduct their own

investigation. as far as i understand, the rain tv channel has already indicated that it is time to gather and go to the side of your homeland to those newly mobilized and support and love them from there. they are there. no, he does not understand no. what's wrong, we didn't quite understand it. but nevertheless , we would like to show you a piece. i understand that this is some kind of broadcast or, again, some kind of interview. this is the founder of only the board channel, yes, one of the founders of tv channel this is the general director yes in cindy from sindiev what is her name because for me she is not some kind of super-duper word the surname of her family that's what she is in this broadcast in this interview they said let's look at the essence and how not how without emotions, when such a thing happens, you understand, when

you see the mass of people mobilized by us, and when you see people who are mobilized in the forest and have no shelter, who have no food, who are not there, it’s all terrible, how will it be without emotions, you know, and it can’t be, a- and here there is no neutral position, she is therefore us neutral, emotional, but for the day, but how not? and how, without emotion, somehow, that’s how it is, we run, they are freezing there, and it can’t be like that, and we have to do something about it, because no, they are killing ukrainians there, for some reason they decided that it is necessary to come to another country with a war and kill, they do not go to the streets and protest against the fact that they are being mobilized. and no, they go to some forests there because they were mobilized and they are simply dead because they are poorly dressed. and this causes huge emotions

of the opposition tv channel, which seems stands out against this war, by the way, our guest is our guest, and she also has some emotions about this. what we voiced, what voiced us, the founder of the sendeeva tv channel, mrs. oksano, welcome to our station, oksana moroz, an expert in countering disinformation, the founder of the initiative, how not to become a vegetable say a researcher of the goodness of good russians. congratulations, yes, i am absolutely right. once again, that's all. i listened. i had a lot of emotions, that's why you very aptly said that i have emotions on this occasion. the family once visited them in i am in kyiv. as far as i know. well, many of my colleagues, famous journalists, journalists with the name, for example , were enthusiastic about her

. in the face of high journalism, what is wrong with what? because we just heard from the family, why really russian journalists who are currently in riga, who are currently receiving a lot of money from the guarantors of the european union, why don't they show a little sympathy and emotions can even collect a couple of euros or rubles to help our guys, the guys are cold, they eat nothing, in fact, everything is the same with them, because we saw absolutely nothing new in this case, and absolutely, this is the standard rhetoric of the so-called public putin's critics whom we are used to calling good russians and they are actually tracked by everyone when i say we analyzed in our research with the platform

actually analyzes 100 such good russians and the media and now their rhetoric is actually the same, that is, they say that people should not go out to russian protests because they can suffer from this, they feel sorry for their poor boys, who are forced under the influence of propaganda to fight with these ukrainians, and these ukrainians can be good there, not nazis, fascists and so on, but we can pour boys, but they feel sorry for their mothers , they call on them to sit at home and do nothing until there is some kind of sign, which sign is not clear. this is how they relate to the victim of the russians and the sacrifice of ukrainians in this war, that is, this is a very illustrative example for me, this is the post of akunin, who is one of the leaders of this protest movement of theirs, in which he compared the

diary of a resident of mariupol, who experienced all these horrors, with the diary of a resident of moscow, who walked in the park and suffered that she lives there in some kind of wrong country. and that’s it. these are the same sacrifices for them . in fact, what was said in the rain did not surprise me at all. it was their standard rhetoric . the only thing that gained was that ukrainians were so examples of this, one thing is clear, and now they are somehow surprised by what we hear. no, some ukrainians probably understood what rain is, and where does the opposition of russian oppositionists end, where does it end, on which sandwich and crimea, but in fact they end at the depth of the search in google because , oh, out of 100 people we analyzed, only 40 have a public position that crimea is part of ukraine, and all the rest say that it is not so, but it is still significant. yes,

it is annexation, but it is so easy to take crimea and that's why you can't actually return it, well, well, good russians, well, this is rhetoric, and from which we should generally move away, because, well, they are either useful for us, or bring our victory closer, or not. but with the approach of our victory, they actually have a lot of questions, that's why that they can declare something, they can make some statements that care more about their future, because they understand that they don't have much time left, but it definitely doesn't work, that help our army, hopes, that really help ukraine in the information field on the front, in particular, they are actively talking about the fact that this is putin's war, it is not the war of the russians. but the sanctions must be lifted from the russians, because they are the poor people who are suffering and it is theirs. well, systemic rhetoric - these are repeated statements, that's why i really want to appeal to the ukrainians that when you hear another case where someone from russians criticizes putin, this absolutely does not mean that this person helps

us on the information front or on any other front, she can absolutely be harmful. in this regard, ms. oksana, do i ask analyzed the statements of 100 conditional good russians uh, whether they act in favor of ukraine or against ukraine uh, and god be with him with that tv channel, it is raining, he is a russian tv channel, he wants an opposition one, but a russian one, but we have such a tv channel as freedom , which is spent on funds from the state budget, i.e. from taxpayers, and a lot of money goes there, and on this tv channel freedom very often a very huge cohort of uh, good russians, did the editors of the tv channel freedom contact you with advice on whose opinion a good russian should be trusted. who should be invited to ternopil? it is better to say thank you . goodbye. but in your expert opinion, we do not

need your expert russian good opinion. i do not understand the state policy regarding the fact that good russians still appear on our channels. as if they didn't contact me, but that's how we published and made this research public, it appeared on ukrainian pravda, it appeared on youtube, it's in the public domain. i'm sure that if someone has a question, ah regarding the facts of the names of the research, it is their quotations, and there are a lot of quotations, but they are inexhaustible. i am sure that the longer we search, the more we will find them. we didn’t get any. well, what did you do wrong? look, we take this good russian because what are these arguments, not against , that is, what t- okay, we don’t take them, that’s why i believe that the policy of including so-called good russians in the ukrainian airwaves and giving them a tablet is very

harmful. and we wrote about it in the study, you know i just want to say that i don't know how useful such an analogy is, but with those russians, good russians, i can't imagine that , for example, the same hannah arendt who was forced to leave germany and was saved from her life most likely, but she was a german citizen and that she would be in new york, for example, living somewhere there at the end of the war there in the year 44 , for example, they would collect funds for the soldiers of the wehrmacht for the soldiers, and since it would be a pity for them and i, here too, of course, we can say that let's say no analogies can be drawn, since the jews in fascist germany became well, you simply

exterminated them and there was genocide against them, but these are the same arguments that sound, perhaps in a slightly softer form, from the mouths of representatives of good russians and now found themselves abroad, they say that they cannot be there, they are repressed and so on, that is, there are some points here that point to some kind of infallible imagined imperial identity that remains in such a firmware of literally those good ones of the russians, that is, when in fact behind this sympathy for our guys there is actually a reluctance to victory of ukraine. who said that they want victory of ukraine, they actually want to secure their future. they are part of russia, they are russians. they think about their country. and who said that all formulas must include

ukraine and the victory of ukraine, but if you observe their rhetoric, how do they, for example, criticize for example, their army, then they say oh-oh-oh, what are you doing there, the most effective things are that you need to kill ukrainians more effectively, that is, in their rhetoric, in their so-called political analysts or their military analysts, who, by the way, tune into ukrainian channels and give the comments on ukrainian channels sound like the russian army is working inefficiently, you have inefficient support, you need to do so-and-so in order to fight ukraine more effectively, this is their rhetoric and it is standard, classic they are present everywhere, they write it openly on twitter, and they say it in twitter, but for some reason we don’t want to hear it, and you are absolutely right, this is a question about our past, about our colonial past, and about the fact that we need to open our eyes and see absolutely obvious things, because these are not some hidden things, these are the things that are constantly repeated and lie on

the surface, you know this a little bit, now we will only move on to a deeper level , conversations are possible. danylom vasym is a lviv sociologist who works at the catholic university, who is engaged in the study of issues of identity identification , more precisely, national identity, and he believes that russians do not have a national identity, that the identity that exists in those people who call themselves russians or russians is the state identity and the imperial identity and that is, she does not have any relationship with any particular nationality, well, that is, it does not matter who you are , for example, you can be a chechen, like the same kadyrov and in fact it is possible to hate russians that it is quite

quite quite possible and you can be, for example , a person who can have jewish roots like the same one there, he bribe bribe, for example, rain , the chief editor, who was also trying to somehow justify now his subordinates from the channel rain, but, above all this, only this imperial superstructure, identity, is important, and in this sense it is important to me when we talk about good russians , your research also showed that in principle there are russians, and there are some who still support which ukraine can be called good? my question is whether they remain russian at the same time, or whether it is possible to be a good bowl in principle, this is not an axiom. you know this is a very good question about the fact that there are russians in general. oleg pokalchuk, in particular, this is very similar to what you said. the imperial ones really replaced everything related to the identity of the nationality of other things in them, but a-a in fact, a-a, all of the 100 that we

studied, to one degree or another, to a greater or lesser extent, broadcast these imperial narratives just conditionally speaking, if we take the same piantkovsky, then it can slip somewhere in him, but it is not the same red thread for him, if we take the same akulin, then his entire creativity is built on imperialism, if we take the same solonin for example, he believes that they fell to fascist organizations, and what is being edited, why do we not agree with this, well, and so on, that is, in fact, i would say that imperial narratives are generally at the basis of their thinking and their rhetoric so much so that they themselves sometimes don't notice it and ah-ah they just really have it on a machine you can say they don't ring and er-e cause surprise how can you think in a different way because well there are three people, the russians, the belarusians, the ukrainians

paid together but here something ukrainians want something else and they sincerely wonder what has become wrong with ukrainians a-and here the viewers er-er ask, well, that is, this is a slur on the espresso tv channel, what are you saying here, other tv channels criticize others and you yourself invite piontkovsky er-er how much piontkovsky er- there is toxic or not toxic, tell our tv viewers what your research leads to, this is very, very, very much a question that, again, looking at the side from which to analyze him, we did not analyze his expertise, i cannot say anything about the fact that he is an expert because we didn't analyze it, we analyzed how much the rhetoric of this or that person and that or that public critic of putin helps or harms ukraine in the information field, and pyankovsky's statement is faster

they help ukraine in the information field a-a-a-a- a-a-a-a-a again when they invite him on the air, you have to see that he really is an expert on this or that issue because the russians, unfortunately, they really like to advise ukraine and here you are at the beginning they talked about the fact that it was raining there. nataliya sideeva gave lectures, but the same dmytro bukiv was- i apologize . dmytro boyko told ukrainians how to understand lesya ukrainka's work, for example. here, too, it is very important not to fall into this trap when people who, let's say, understand our the reality is that they act as experts in this or that issue, but this was outside of our research, so i can only say here that mr. piantkovsky systematically speaks about supporting ukraine. but we analyzed his expertise, so i can’t say anything here. yes, we talked, such a good answer. just for the audience, which i wrote about this, i want to say here is also an opinion that

i also really like in this in this in this possible answers how should we treat the russians in principle er-e is that for russians the worst what actually seems to bother them and a, but not here. the question is that we want to bother the russians, but the question is how should we in principle relate to the russian narratives, whether they are useful or not useful specifically for the general, for a large ukrainian audience, this probably just a matter of indifference. i dream of a time when, in principle, we will not be very interested in the opinions of russian experts about ukraine or about anything related to ukraine. well, simply because we will not consider their expertise to be very important more important than our expertise, not to mention the expertise or expertise of others, for example , representatives of other countries with which ukraine has more in common, as we hope. at least i think that over the years they have shown their self-sufficiency in

expertise. and this does not mean that we should not analyze there other people's opinions, but it should remain within the expert community. should we study the russians? yes, we should, but it should be done by experts who are made in order to win this information war or war in general, and that's why it the question is again, the audience will probably be more important for ukrainians, and the experience or expertise of these or other good russians is much more valuable, so let's hope that a more difficult study will be taken into account by those who are still in the ukrainian telespace, in the ukrainian airwaves, invite dmitriy bykov, the one who loves to educate ukrainians