hmm, the examination is more important than ours, not to mention the examination or the examination of others, for example, representatives of other countries with which ukraine has more in common, as we hope, at least yes, i think that over the years, ukrainians have shown their self-sufficiency in relation to examination . and this does not mean that we should not analyze other people's opinions there, but this should remain within the expert community . war or war in general, and therefore this is a question again, the audience will probably be more important for ukrainians, and the experience or expertise of these or other good russians is much more valuable, so let's hope that a more difficult study will take into account those who are still in the ukrainian telespace in the ukrainian the airwaves invite dmytro bykov, the one who likes to teach ukrainians how to live and how to live

in general. well, as you said, how should they treat lesya ukrainka's work? well, in the end, ukrainians will look more closely at those russians who come to us, i was ashamed of them, i once asked him if the time would come when the russians would not care about ukrainians, well , that is, we will live somewhere there, they will live somewhere there, they will not know our politicians there well, maybe they will know some key people there, what is the name of the president, but if you open their news, they know almost all of our verkhovna rada, almost all of the cabinet of ministers by name, i am there, yes, it is about ukraine, it is not about russia, it is true, actually, i do not know russian politicians i don't care in principle, but they know and they constantly interfere, then he started, he started shouting about the fact that and we will never become

equal to ukrainians. and you are not at all grateful because we are coming to you with humanitarian aid and you don't accept this humanitarian aid and everyone wanted good for ukraine and you and you that's how they treated her, well, typical rhetoric of good russians, what can be added here, i suspect , that is, if you invite people like bykov veter, then actually to ask when they become indifferent to ukraine, so that they answer uncomfortable questions, definitely do not give them a warm bath so that ukrainians see the true face of these seemingly good russians, thank you, thank you for the conversation oksana moroz, expert in countering disinformation, founder of the initiative to become a vegetable, they joined us, by the way, i advise you, by the way, to watch this study on the youtube channel of a lady in order to have a little more expertise of your own about good russians, because here

some viewers are already indignant that they cannot watch our ethers are terribly annoying. i once wrote a post about pugacheva’s not-so-ruling attitude, as in principle, about what she then said about the whole war that russia started and the ukrainians rushed to thank ali pugacheva. pugacheva opposes this war. what is she saying? this is for, but she is speaking primarily for the russian audience. and the ukrainians immediately begin to attack pugacheva. i'm trying a little i don’t know what to do, just so that they will become enlightened, so that they will get better, because it is for their audience, rather . by the way, this war, i also did not know a single deputy from the russians, those from which parla and their parliament,

if you can say so, but now i learned about one such and such this is some such deputy japarav. and this one is interesting that i somewhere once a week or two somewhere he makes a statement that is immediately picked up by all the official russian mass media, this is where he says, for example. today he said that let finland know that as soon as the nuclear war we will hit them first, what are they? well, you constantly threaten everyone with nuclear weapons to exterminate the last briton, that they will destroy everyone, they will repeat berlin, well, this is a career character, this is zhirinovsky or something. deadly fight but who exactly said that? well, it seems to you that all of them lack that charisma, which is not cool, and in addition, there was his wolfovych wolfovych, that's how he was, he was an interesting

character, it's a pity that he was not helped by a companion and covid took his life now how much is he grinding we were all happy and clapped our hands when it happened that he is a little negative it's a pity that this satellite somehow protected kirill, the one who went to gundaya and american biotechnologies, everyone knows that covid was actually invented by the americans to put on the knees of china and russia well, gentlemen, let's continue, we'll talk about the fact that it's not really morning, and i'm still joking, as if we're in style, you know, it's 8 o'clock in the morning, so we need to be more serious about what the presenters are joking about on sad news well, i don't know, you know where there is sad news, there is sad news, where there is news

that can be ironized because critical thinking and irony and self-irony is what keeps us sane in russians, you see irony itself is all bad eh and they can't get rid of the fact that they haven't been great for a long time and haven't been an empire for a long time, that's why and in the 21st century, they are doing such bloody wars, that's why we don't want to turn into russians, and that's why we laugh, first of all, at ourselves well, we laugh at some kind of madness we are being rushed to us from our brothers about what is happening in the occupied territories about what is happening in crimea, now let's talk with the human rights defender boris sakharov joins our conversation mr. boris good day to you good day listen to this news today from serhiy storonenko published about it that in luhansk oblast they

lost so many ukrainians who supposedly helped our armed forces and did it publicly, this is not the first time, not there. let's remember kherson oblast, let's remember skadovsk. they were hanged and signs were attached to their bodies what are these traitors of the luhansk people who helped the armed forces of ukraine, well, that's all, well, all of this has been on social networks for a long time. i don't know. we somehow avoided even showing these terrible photos. but, well, it looks really terrible someone is already showing this on twitter, because it’s about how similar people were, for example, from germany when they executed soviet

partisans there for cooperation there and so on , that is, during the german occupation of the 1940s, in the reich commissariat of ukraine when it was proclaimed here in the majority of ukrainian land, there is absolutely no difference from the crimes of the nazis and the crimes of the bolsheviks, er, in the first half of the 20th century , the same methods are exactly the same, the same treatment in the occupied territories, ah, these are all crimes of genocide , all of this together is definitely the genocide of the ukrainian people only this will have to be proven because genocide has a subjective side of the crime , that is, it must be proven that there is an intention to destroy everything

ukrainian, the ukrainian people of ukrainians, not on the basis of ethnicity, but of ukrainian nationality identity well, unfortunately, such terrible crimes are committed in various parts of our country, in the occupied territories and in the south and in the kharkiv region, a lot of such crimes have been recorded and documented. if the armed forces come to those cities, then in principle there can be no deterrent effect, i am asking for

no other deterrent effect, so of course only the armed forces of ukraine have no there is no other deterrent effect, they believe in innocence. well, they fight as if this is their last war, and this is also my last war, well, it is, if it is our fate to destroy this evil empire, mr. boris. what is happening to the others now? in the occupied territories, especially what is happening, for example, now in crimea, we see that they have also begun to prepare for the possibility that ukrainian troops will reach crimea, some fortifications are being built there, and is this also happening in crimea itself, and everyone who is considered there not reliable, is there now a new wave of repressions, yes, yes. now, there is a new wave of repressions, but in terms of

scale, it is no more than in the previous year. in crimea, all eight years of occupation are already almost 9 years of occupation. a genocidal crime is a continuation of stalin's policy towards the crimean tatars, and the entire ukrainian whole of crimea is being destroyed, to the text absolutely , that is, according to the crimean tatar resource center, 138 arrests took place in 9 months of this year and a lot of detentions absolutely everything pressed, that is, for example, at a wedding, they sang the red viburnum there , immediately pro-russian neighbors knocked on our door, and immediately there were troubles with those

people who sang a ukrainian song in soviet times, and with dissidents, it was called a very stinging conversation, well, such preventive conversations are conducted by the fsb this is often accompanied by humiliation by torture and so on, a specialist scientist at king's college london recently made a large analysis of the beginning of the war, the first months of the war in ukraine, in particular, there is information there, we have it 60 with some pages there, in particular, there is a dedicated part of information about the fact that, from the very beginning, the occupying russian troops also had lists of activists and also had a clear idea of ​​what they would do in the occupied

territories, that is, they should have responded to them to divide people into different categories in the occupied cities and towns and among them were to be subject to immediate extermination, in fact, for example, all the activists of the revolution of dignity a-a was it also there was also information even before the war remember literally for a week before the start of a full-scale russian invasion, several sources in the american intelligence seem to have also warned that the russians have such shooting blacklists of public activists and there will be an exam that they are going to simply physically destroy upon entering ukrainian territory, as far as we can say that this is a proven fact that this will also mean in the sense that it is proven that these are genocidal e practices eh it is so but in reality if eh in

many cases when such activists eh were detained in one of the occupied territories very they were often not recognized, very often even serious politicians were often not recognized, and even sometimes when they were recognized, let's say if they were captured as part of the armed forces, they simply acquired the status of prisoners of war, that is, many patriot volunteers were indeed wrapped and killed, and many escaped escaped simply due to the general chaos and lack of cunning that flourished the fsb in the occupiers if any part enters

and there are some simple russian military, roughly speaking, the second echelons of the fsb-shniks who they are starting to figure things out, even such significant figures are known to us. ukrainian politicians, ukrainian activists, during the occupation, were able to avoid massacres . by the way, the head of the international transfer for a certain time is a well-known ukrainian public figure, political, and his personal story, which he told, he himself was caught by this occupation in mariupol, he did not have time to leave because he was also there with his parents elderly people and so on. and when he realized that he was

in great danger and was about to leave, he was arrested, he was arrested. but fortunately, they could not fully identify who he was going, here he is. but nevertheless, they decided that he should be immediately shot without extra volumes , i.e. this certain officer who, when he was detained , said, go ahead and shoot him, but the soldiers told him to carry it out. to be honest, he didn't really understand what was happening, and this one saved his life, that is, it happened somehow for a short period of time while he was there he hesitated and led him somewhere along the way some other officers asked him where are you taking him he said but it was as if they told him to shoot him he said so let him go and it just saved his life you saved his life andriy marusya told this is just nazvyteria and he understood, after that he simply left the city and walked for four days

without sleep without anything on foot, just a young man leaving the city, here the effect of the performer can be in different directions, i.e. animals and cats and vice versa carry out criminal orders, even with special brutality, let's say, and the other, on the contrary, they try to somehow let go, uh, do something, at least something good , ah, well, we know. another story in general of roman bessmertny, a well-known political public figure, uh, he also found himself in the occupation and was not recognized the russians must have had some bad photo and well thank you mr. boris for the conversation with borisakharu, a human rights defender was with us, we talked a little about what happened in the purchased territories with the ukrainians, how the russians mock

them, well, now let's look at the volunteers who are helping to restore the country after the russian shelling, a story from our tatyana litvinova, i had a lot of energy, a very strong desire to help in any way, after leaving the occupation, i stayed there for 4 months and couldn't do anything to do simply because there is no connection or familiar friends anya left the occupied energodar in june, now she is the coordinator of volunteers for the initiative brave to restore we help local residents who suffered as a result of the russian occupation , and their houses were destroyed by the russians

. in march, there were fierce battles here, three russian shells flew here , what are these things, these are guided missiles under missiles, this is precisely due to this touch, it is guided here , the scary part is already going, only on the trees, what is this a more controlled rocket, debris from it, the house was built with their own hands, a family of courtiers is trying not to lose optimism and hope. we are very grateful to the boys and girls, we built it, we started to dig it all out, but it's hard to break it. well

, all of us together, all over ukraine, we will overcome it, we will restore it, and it will be even better, because it is precisely such people who are helped by the brave to restore, the initiative, which began with a company of friends, today has about two thousand volunteers, in 8 months it was managed to clear help with the restoration of three hundred houses and apartments, this is a real community with shared time with the help of overnight stays and warm conversations, canadian journalist liam is working with volunteers today. we used these shovel tools to scoop up garbage and put it in this bag. this is how the boy first came to ukraine on the eve of a full-scale invasion then rented a

car in poland and came again with volunteer help time outside of work journalist dedicates to volunteering i want to help wherever i can it is important to share stories about what is happening, but the most important thing is to be able to use everything you have to help your money, your strength, in your own time, brave to restore border acts, a new initiative project, brave bicycles, the idea arose during a humanitarian trip to kharkiv oblast, to de- occupied izyum, there the volunteers met uncle tolu , the war took away from his family everything to earn, property , a house, a bicycle, everything burned down, we are coming with imported blankets, and there are such, wait, so , and they and he goes to the garden in his there is nothing well, that is, everything is burnt in it, you just know , but it is for strangers and where do you get a

watermelon and we eat this watermelon and he says, god, i’m sorry, i didn’t come, someone had to go to my headquarters because i have a guy and we, well, there ’s a bicycle the bike is real well, nothing is left of him and here we are, and when we come back, kharkiv is not ours but if there was such a specialization, because bicycles, but we are going to kharkiv and we need to find a bicycle for tolik, a bicycle for uncle toli , they found people on de-occupied territories which a lot of transport is needed, and even more bicycles had to be found, and the activists managed to do it in the netherlands or just those that were once standing in the city of amsterdam in parking lots were forgotten or abandoned and they were fined . e-e period after which they are either disposed of or subject to resale. in this case, the vitrov svoboda fund agreed with

amsterdam that such bicycles, which are needed in ukraine, will be transferred free of charge, but the only the question is the condition of the bicycles and the logistics of logs and repairs are undertaken by volunteers, first of all we inspect the bicycle for mechanical damage, that is, to make sure everything is intact, then we look at the condition of the wiring, is it all? they are dubbing in practice in order to bring transport to latvia, they are attracting ukrainian business to us, you can pay for the repair of one bicycle and stylize it, and i am running under myself , now we have already been supported by the company prom ua on time yo-pig i'm in the closet izy wot and we will make such bicycles, for example, there is a brave bicycle from prom.ua for raisin, that's because

businesses well, we and there and people who separately sponsor these bicycles there, they really want to transfer this e care in general managed to agree on half a thousand bicycles from berlin and about 2,000 from amsterdam, therefore, volunteers call on conscious business to join the project to restore the bones of the transport of the brave to restore this youth, it is noteworthy that a significant part of them are people from ukrainians occupied by russia territories, we have a lot of volunteers from the occupied territories of ukraine, we have a lot of people from donetsk and luhansk, people from the crimea, and a lot of people who left after the 14th considered their territory or who left after the full-scale invasion and i cannot return home , in fact, it seems to me that this is what motivates many, that hmm, we understand that if we were in this

situation, we would be waiting for help, and while they are helping, denys graduated from kherson this year, he left with his family to enroll before the university of the capital, i had a very long depression because i was sitting, i understood and i had the thought that i am not doing enough. go now to fight or something like that, and i thought that this is exactly why i can help a lot. the brave ones work in the kyiv region to restore, they have branches in the kharkiv region and we go with humanitarian missions to other ukrainian regions, they have many ambitious plans to help to support, to rebuild, to create a new ukraine, these people, these grandmothers, these people, who if they lost everything

, how can it be, and they are all like that, it’s real when you talk to them, you want to make the project so powerful, to have the opportunity to help those who are now more stable, we must constantly find the strength and resources to help these people and to make them feel that they are not alone in their troubles. well, it seems that no one has attacked them, but the state, yes, the state cannot help these people there to that extent. was economical focus is completely different. but we are also a state. we are creating now as in a new ukraine. tetyana litvinova andriy vityuk is specially for espresso and slava. here, our viewers of the live broadcast are writing about what, what, what are you chasing lesya pugacheva? what i want to say. i have

nothing against pugacheva herself, but i am confused by the fact that when ukrainians hear that alla pugacheva condemned the war in russia, that is, she condemned the war in her homeland , which is supported by her compatriots who went to her concert, moreover, there in when she was sentenced there, she did not say anything about it, she wrote on instagram, there was nothing about ukraine, it was her own appeal to her fellow citizens, so she does it with the thought of her country in the first place, and ukrainians immediately rush to thank her as if this is something incredible. it is normal . when a normal person is a normal person, she would go and condemn the war. it is not normal when some opinion leaders, some performers, actors, er, who are russians support this war, but i know what i would like to say. do you know that i am addressing our viewers? do you know who anjesin is? do you know that he

is a polish actor who, from the first day of the full-scale invasion, who before the full-scale invasion began, consistently supports the ukrainians and helps them, collects funds, helps the ukrainian forced refugees who ended up in poland, not only in poland, who at the end of his creativity helps, let's take a look, just so you understand who this person is and see him die a little my condensed coal hear the steppe a wide goal in ukraine nivea let visa 1 fields be like this urvishka, let it be as soon as the dnieper hurled it, and you are sleeping in ukraine, kumosha, i must

say this in honor of the fields. this is the same. tyrodyne only a free new one teaches how to remember even if hemi means well cancer - this is your hundred and second warship well and

then you yourself know we simply cannot continue these words because i am the severina of an outstanding polish actor who i am sure many of you about they didn't hear him, they didn't know him, nevertheless, he starred in schindler's list, stephen's songs of the shore , he starred in ye hofma's fire and sword, he starred in indochina, director varnier, man of iron and andrzej, come on, and uh, a completely new movie of 2010, so it's like that the newest mystical poland in the world, i advise you to see the film rose because of a slightly more famous person than alla pugacheva with the whole company and the whole tape, he is not only at that concert in support of ukraine, but in principle very often appears on polish tv channels where reminds me of ukraine eh we will finish our part with andrii seychuk for today thank you for being with us well