they said now we will go to the toilet by the names of the tasks for the homeland, this is nostalgia and what this was. this was a small house. there was a hole in the ground. this is this. we will not forget. what is russia? strange, i include china and america in my states and poland and ukraine and the baltic states and so on and china and india will somehow find a common celebrity . and i can find make it impossible, that is, making it impossible, that is, this is a beautiful word that cannot be done in another way, it is impossible that would create conditions when it was impossible for the emergence of a new russian federation does not matter where in africa, in latin america, and so on, that is,

of course, we represent that there can be dictators , they can be the law of the elected and the people, and so on, well, somehow, some kind of framework should still be built some kind of framework of norms, we understand that the sudovskaya arabi is not a democracy, no one is waiting for it saudi arab democracy but it is predictable, we understand that iran is not exactly a democracy, but it is predicted to me, and this is what we are talking about between saudi arabia and iran. there is some kind of prediction here, something can be predicted, but not everything. well, something, but nothing can be predicted here. it is impossible to predict and therefore the world must come up with a denominator under which the majority will subscribe, at least the overwhelming majority of it is possible well, first of all, of course , everything is possible. first of all, what needs to be done so that the whole world unites, and even china, and here i think that

we are simply talking about the nuclear threat again, because those threats are crazy, and this is how it relates to the interest of the indian caution is taken and everything around eh what is the possibility of a nuclear bomb if there will be such catastrophic consequences, this means that the whole world will start to deal with it, this will be united, therefore, this is such a worst option, in fact, therefore, how would we have it today in the states, when everyone begins to vote instead of the usual half of the population, i think that this is not happening because when everyone is so interested in elections, we see something happening that is not particularly good, that everyone participated. first, we need elections, and secondly, in principle, we just need institutions. the institute of elections is the institute of the state, because when the unpredictability of a dictatorial change occurs, then in such a regime, the main thing is that the person is good. he knew and did his job in order to be loyal, and while this idea exists that loyalty is

the main thing, good people cannot get into institutions . bureaucrats are gradually appearing in culture or professionals who are beginning to control this situation a little bit. went to university, got an education, and from such people, from such bricks, institutes are being built so that when we elected some kind of trump for four years, so that the whole country did not collapse, it continued to function in the next elections. and this is what it means that the people of ukraine solve problems unfortunately , the problems of russia come to ukraine and to the people of russia. well, here's the question . look, we got into philosophy like that. i don't mind , by the way.

there is a thug hooligan living in the house, who writes under your american doors, under my ukrainian doors, under polish doors, under some others, but in contrast to the apartment building. where can you call the police and the policeman will come to apartment number 26 or 13 or pull out some hooligan there? say hello, look carefully here , because we will put you in prison there in the soviet union for 15 days, i don't know how it is in america, how it is there, what happens to such people in america, but there is no police in the world, moreover, when the americans say well, no, because they может хочуть мы очень i know a lot of cases when they don't want to be a policeman, but situations force them to be policemen, then half of europe tells us that we prefer putin because we hate him so much, and i don't because we love putin, we hate america more than putin, that's why we for

putin's russia because putin is against america and america forces us to take advice from american films, chew american chewing gum, wear american jeans, and a lot of things we don't like in america. that's how to find this balance here a policeman is needed, and here the advanced countries of europe are terrible. they don’t want any policemen, and then there is a bandit without a policeman, putin, who goes around europe, bribes people, builds the northern streams, and everything is fine to do. in any country, especially those born in the united states, today i started using it like a scarecrow, and what is it , oh, and the united states, and what is special, if you, er, say, you have your own problems they will forgive the united states and say

that this is their problem, that i am a terrible dictator of that type, and from another country that offers a world state that has a world policeman, the united states is what einstein proposed, and he thought that then we would escape. the warrior, what if we we will all be one state. how can we fight then with such a system? or is there another option? we can all become states of the united states. would you like ukraine to become 51 states of the united states? ukrainians want you, i believe you here, it’s just kind of silent, it’s better to have a collapse, we’ll collapse telephone lines come on, come on, you understand, it’s not so simple, poetry is still deciding a-a, what if then russia becomes a 50-year -old state, and you understand it somehow it is difficult to

solve tasks that are too difficult for one country to solve. what kind of new design should be given to the world in order to exclude the possibility of new putins. wherever they may arise and not in them, this is still a generational question, because how many people remembered the second world war and how long did it really last in our country? that's what we are now, we see all these linden trees in russia , and in general, so to speak. the generation that already somehow remembers the songs and propaganda of the second world war, but they did not see it personally, and unfortunately, the wars have such a tendency to remind us a that's the consequences, that's the kind of stupid behavior that putin will do now, that's why after him there will be a time when people will remember and that's why it's so important to defeat him so that later people remember that again, hitler is not a happy ending, but a

terrible ending for him and for the country and for culture, for all those connected with germany, after this, it took a long time, and it came to me if you look at what is happening there now. and here i am, just like that, it didn’t work out there, it didn’t work out there, it didn’t happen in ukraine yet, in germany it already happened it seems to me from what i have heard that this is a completely different country and other people who lived there before the second world war, so it is very important to defeat putin so that the next person is a small person. he signed the capitulation agreement, agreed to pay reparations to ukraine for the damage, in general, russia's money should have been taken back to the west a long time ago. the opportunity in russia for you to solve your own problems, i also think that the education system in russia was not bad because their teachers

are simply one of the biggest problems. it seems to me that there is something to work on. the united states had an interesting conversation with us. thank you very much, mr. yuri. i will add now there will be a 2-minute break, you know. my father and my wife's father are people who experienced the reality of the second world war. my father was in a prisoner, well, in a concentration camp, he hid from the germans, he escaped from the concentration camp, well, in short, there was a long, long story , he was younger and my wife's father fought , he literally lost an arm, he lost one eye, in short, there , well, you know, we used to sit there in the evening, drink tea , and there you talk to each other and and we pray terribly cynically terribly cynically i am ashamed to even say this and in languages ​​that parents cannot imagine what

they would do if they who went through the war together with the russian people now need the help of the whole world from the russian people thank god that they don't see it, they don't see these bombings, and how would my father realize that his father's grave, blue in luhansk region, was destroyed by a russian soldier. i just have a hard time imagining it, so you know, in addition to mr. yuriy, it seems that people forget that one cannot forget about the war, that when we forget, well , it was 70 years ago, there was a war, it was born exactly in 70 years, such a putin who does not remember, well, who behaves like people who do not understand what death is and what life is now a 2-minute break,

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with belarus oleksandra zarov, the founder of the initiative of the belarusian security forces against lukashenka is in touch with us i hope, sir, now he knows or understands ukrainian, i can switch to russian how do you like it it's more convenient p nazara in russian or in ukrainian as you prefer you can in ukrainian i understand everything okay look at us well we here can imagine what the belarusian security forces are thinking a-a but are there embryos embryos yes there are some small groups maybe already e- of the belarusian security forces and not only the security forces who can already take up arms because our ukrainian experience shows that when weapons are used against you, you always lose, just like it was in

belarus in the 20th year, so yes, yes . weapons mean everything to us it is necessary against weapons to have weapons against a machine gun to continue a machine gun against an e-e machine gun how far do these thoughts appear in modern belarus what do you think e-e means well there are security forces of course those who do not support lukashenko who serves continues to serve those who have access to weapons yes, we are in contact with some of them, and for the past two years, since lukashenko seized power in belarus, we have been in touch. well, not only us, i know that other similar organizations maintain contact with the belarusian military, which are you ready, if necessary, to take up arms and go over to the side of the people and carry out the order to restore law and order in

belarus against lukashenko ? already and the civilian population together with the active belarusian military to overthrow this regime so that somehow er well, for something to happen there where we are more democratic than now, well, at the moment, we do not have such manifestations, of course we are in contact with groups that participated in that war in their war, if you remember february, march, when the war started, and now they are in such a situation, it means that, by the way, they have sunk to the bottom and are engaged in their civilian life, but in the event that they are also ready to participate in the actions, this is now it's

very dangerous in belarus, so we're not doing it yet. i think that even without the fact that we're going to communicate with people, we 're going to give commands. and when for example, there will be a mass mobilization now in belarus, who assume that they can be mobilized, they are trying to leave the country, they are writing to us , and that is, they are asking us to help them leave. in what way is it legal and illegal to make visas in different ways, that is the beginning of the war? i know that the borders of the european union, if not приначелавании, if lukashenko enters into a ground operation, it means that the european union will close all its borders and from that moment on, no one will be able to leave belarus, and these people will become inside and they will

the only thing left to do is to go to the forest. now remember what their greedy grandfathers did, and look at alexander. and here’s how uh-uh. what’s that? well, let’s go to russian, god won’t shoot me with him. what’s the most possible prospect of democratization, that is, what must happen in reality in order to still lukashenko has lost his mind, this is what i am saying so figuratively. yes, that is, i am saying that he died . it is desirable that i understand that desirability is already a heart attack of lukashenka in 12 seconds, and here is what is the most likely option. lukashenko has

repeatedly stated that he will not leave power voluntarily, he will be carried out. only forward with his feet. i do not believe that he will agree to the new democratic elections, and they will decided to leave and he committed a crime, he is an accomplice in the war and is subject to a tribunal, that is, he is subject to criminal responsibility won't hold back and may not even save his life, he can go to negotiations in such a way that he and his family are allowed to leave somewhere, er , with security guarantees from belarus , and er, to hold new democratic elections in belarus, and he will be allowed to go somewhere in the arab emirates and he will give power voluntarily, this can be such an option. what do you think, alexander himself? well, you are just, well, i did not represent

myself in ukraine, well, except for yanukovych. what can he think? i do not know, of course, but what can kravchuk think. what can to think kuchma, what can yushchenko think, what can poroshenko or zelensky think there , from your point of view, does lukashenko himself understand the fatality, that is, the finality of this regime, he understands that gaga is not only for putin, moreover, for putin, gaga is incredible to me because i have there is a bomb. and lukashenko will have an atomic bomb, so there is a chance that he will be brought to court in the netherlands. lukashenko is much more likely. what do you think? he understands his environment without perspective. i think he understands. he communicates with other politicians, he understands everything perfectly well, but he tries to delay this

moment of the end until he succeeds, he helps putin in every way, while putin is in power and he is a villager, lukashenko is also basically a villager and will be in power, yes, well here i will start arguing now with my own, but not even with you, with my colleagues, ukrainians, in one face with you , because of course, after russia's attack on ukraine, i myself do not understand everything very much, but still, i am almost convinced that lukashenka is not completely will be to fight against ukraine because the time that the war started is putin's help. putin has already taken more than that when my colleagues say oh, what a horror he is sending weapons to russia, these weapons are against

ukraine. tell me, i gave you all the weapons , what am i going to attack with? i don't have tanks, i don't have puffyk, i don't have any, and he all the time, that's it, he's a very strong player against putin. i think he's studied putin's psychology and knows what to do with him. how much do you think the probability of an attack is? i can't see it yet. talk about lukashenko being 100% subordinate to putin. yes, but putin is also 100% subordinate to lukashenko, because imagine the revolution tomorrow and there is no lukashenko, and someone comes and says russian planes will not fly and russian eto will not fly from the side of belarus, the problem is the problem, so they depend on you to say about these thoughtful ones.

he doesn't want this operation because it can lead to the death of his regime and he is dragging everything out. the border protects you from nato, but uh, today, yesterday, shaygu came again, i think that this is another pressure . will putin finish lukashenko? well, the question is, but it seems to me that he still has to finish, even if he is not bold enough. at the beginning, you said that he understands that his regime is under threat, and yes, and he agrees to putin's conditions. he puts his life at risk from the life of his family

. but i'm trying to understand here, not only persuasions, let's assume the strange death of a makeup artist who was supposed to go to poland to participate in the osce meeting . here the russian trail is traced что россияне можно лукашинки э-э межды made a definite hint, that is, э-э, make it into him. the only figure around лукашынки who could negotiate with europe and the usa is that he could be used for this purpose, and just as he was leaving, it is possible that he was in general entrusted with this account start a dialogue to somehow help lukashenko out of this hole that he has driven himself into.

there may be just a hint of his death, and here the minister of defense of russia is coming in a couple of days. the principle of clarification is going to the joint grouping of the russian belarusian belarusian servicemen are training the russian mobilized, we know this if we look at the equipment, not so much equipment was taken out, there is enough equipment left for the offensive of the belarusian army. federations, that is, what technologies are happening, it is impossible to say that lukashenko took everything away and he cannot participate in the war. there are enough weapons and equipment in belarus. today aleksandr azarov, the founder of the proactive initiative of the belarusian security forces against lukashenka , was in touch with us. thank you, mr. alexander. i apologize to everyone who hates the russian language, who

spoke at least in russian, well, i'm sorry, but that's just how my head works, that if you speak russian with me , then i want better understand the interlocutor well, that's all. and if we have an expert on the telecommunications market and there are two of them, roman khimich, a telecommunications expert from another market, and oleksandr glushchenko, an ex-member of telecom, an expert board of the internet association of ukraine about mobile communication - this is the internet during a blackout why does it disappear how to change the situation so mr. roman and mr. oleksandr and i hope to see them now mr. roman khimich i see yes mr. oleksandr hlushchenko i see too let's start with mr. roman so why does it disappear, not me? i am anti-vivy, mr. roman, but you understand, but i don’t understand at all, that’s why i will ask stupid questions. excuse me, come on, he

disappears because the light is turned off, he is not there for the sake of the whole disappearance and you have to forget it and just don’t use, are there any workarounds that we can ensure, after all, about e-e work of the internet , see usually every every every site on which the equipment for shooting communication is deployed. it usually has e-e backup power elements just in case the voltage disappears in the basic function is connected if the voltage disappears in the networks to which it is connected. unfortunately, it is usually the most diesel-generator that can ensure the operation of the platform, well, that much as long as there is fuel, it is only batteries, unfortunately, the battery and on it's a pity that these are batteries, they are not usually designed for just a few hours of operation, and the

worst thing is that these reserve power batteries require much more time for it to fully charge than for its charge, so that it discharges, that is, after working 3-4 hours and turned off, and this is the battery, then somewhere, well, almost a day, it must be connected, otherwise it, well, you understand what the problem is. unfortunately, the slink communication equipment is not designed for the current situation when the power supply disappears too often and for too long a period of time, the batteries simply do not have time to recharge as a result of uh, or immediately after the disappearance of the voltage in our sockets or there, with a small lag , they turn off and turn off and the sites, well, that is, there

are vyzhnits and cellular communication, base stations, etc. oleksandr glushchenko maybe you have some kind of recipe, maybe mr. roman is completely lying to us here and says that it is not possible, or maybe you know some secret and you will tell us no, it is possible to do it like this, is it possible, mr. oleksandr, or is it not possible, good evening to you health, roman can't lie to us because he 's a pro with a capital letter. he knows this market from a to z. in fact, the problem is that e-e networks were built for use in peacetime when power outages were not as frequent as they are now and indeed in of many providers, the batteries on the active equipment do not have time to charge due to the fact that the electricians turn off the electricity so often that the batteries simply do not have enough

time to resume their work and every time the battery is not fully charged a then it is completely discharged. so its properties are reduced because of this, and mobile operators and providers are actively replacing batteries with new ones at their sites and actively trying to recharge them by installing generators, but as we know, the demand for both generators and batteries in our country is quite large and those batteries that are used by providers and mobile operators are not car batteries, they are more professional devices that are not easy to buy during a sufficiently large, powerful simple on them because of this, uh, if you don't like it and uh,

you have a network with a provider. there is no internet. there is no light, and the mobile network is out. well, you have to look for another place where there is electricity or where there is a connection. okay mr. roman, who can never tell a lie, we are now convinced of this. we have a witness, but look, theoretically, let's imagine what you were instructed to do or what your colleagues told you. will live forever and war is not excluded, but let's come up with this that there is communication, that it works, that there is power under all conditions, and so on, so it is possible to significantly improve. i understand that if a nuclear bomb falls, it is probably difficult to improve, but significantly improve and achieve