for a one-moment serious effect, thank you, thank you, mr. valeriyovych, the participants in this part of our broadcast were volodymyr kopchak, a military expert , the head of the south caucasian branch of the army research center for conversion and disarmament, and valery romanenko, an aviation expert. we talked about what is happening at the front, what the ukrainian army needs to win now let's move on to foreign policy problems, of which there are many, because now we have heard new statements from western leaders, different statements, and we know that there was a high-profile visit of the president of the french republic maneel macron to the russian to the american capital with a discussion of the russian topic, this discussion continued after macron returned to the elysee palace in miner on the basis of the interview he gave to the mass media of the french republic during his stay in

washington, this is it from this we will start our conversation with the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine for 2014-2019 pavlo klimkin. congratulations, it's true. congratulations, mr. vitaly, it's nice to see you and everyone, let's go anyway let's try to understand what i mean by macron when he talks about a security guarantee for russia, because to be honest, i didn't really understand how much this question is not even about macron, about putin, how much putin needs some security guarantees, when it is obvious that he is afraid not too much, but the very fact of ukraine's independence, in fact it's a question about security, in the sense of whether there are threats or not, from the point of view, now you see, the connection with mr. pavel has been interrupted a little, well, the connection is bad now, you know why, there's no need to explain, and we're just

we are talking about this story with a security guarantee when the president of the french republic said that after the end of the war it will be necessary to talk with the president of the russian federation about security guarantees for the russian federation because putin is afraid that nato is approaching the russian borders, i strongly agree with this because nato is on the russian borders it has existed for a long time, it is beautiful, you know everything exists, norway exists, poland exists, latvia exists, estonia exists, lithuania exists, all these are the borders of russia, now finland is joining nato, why exactly in ukraine it is smeared with honey and in other nato countries that have borders with russia it is not smeared it is not smeared it is a very good question but we will try to find out paul why the president of france thinks so please continue and i

hope to hear from me again maybe you can even see it again. in fact, it's not about security guarantees as such, everyone perfectly understands putin. he doesn't believe anything now. he believes that they have him and want to reboot, so that's the idea and macron talked about it in his interview. i like t f1 very much clearly said to do something again with those types of weapons that seem to treat putin and it 's not really about security guarantees. that the minister

of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2014-2019, pavlo klimkin, said that this is not a question of security guarantees for putin, it is a question of his fear of the event in general. if you listen to macron's tf1 interview that he gave after his visit to washington and where he again talks about nato and again talks about the alleged armaments that frighten russia and putin, then this is actually not a search for a future security architecture and not even a search for a security guarantee, but a search for how to save face or there again something like face and in what way

get out of this situation put it on a certain certain pause start where escalation is no less i understand the words of macron because well from the point of view of security here from the point of view of the mentality of russia which he thinks in the categories of the 20th century, nuclear strikes , ukraine's security and defense perimeters, and so on , the entry of finland and sweden into nato is no less dangerous, if not more dangerous, but in a language where he talks about ukraine and putin and considers us to be bad for the russians, who, in fact, in his understanding, fought back from and if we become members of nato, then it will be clear that part of his understanding once again emphasizes the fact that

this great civilization becomes part of nato, which means that the ego is being eaten from the middle, that's how it is the logic inside the top of the kremlin and the ancient language reigns about what there is a general system of security guarantees and architecture and such very reasonable things as restraining speech is about the possibility of somehow coming to a certain certain new deal , which is no less what i understood from macron's interview t f- 1 he didn’t say much there, maybe in the near future he will say more. what do you think about these demands to russia put forward by the ukrainian government? you heard how they were voiced by the leader of the faction of his party, the servant of the people in the verkhovna rada, davydov rahamii and the secretary of the national security and defense council of ukraine p. danilov to what extent in general they can be considered realistic even under the conditions of the

loss of russia, control over the ukrainian territories is the printed conditions of mr. danilov, i did not hear what he wrote, i read the news feeds and i think that in fact uh right away, it’s not about any set of conditions if russia or the russian army collapses, er, it will be one logic, if it does not collapse, of course there will be another logic and a lot. i think that this is key today. if you want a defining logic or the west will reboot russia according to the medium-term plan as the soviet union and this is how it looks today according to all the actions of the west, or will the

west at some point be ready to raise the stakes and such a discussion is going on internally, and then the wisdom of depending on this is the wisdom of any packages of further conditions, of course, on our success on the fronts, and this is the second determining factor, but the first is the readiness of the west to follow the long track or the short track, and to what extent do you think that the west will withstand such co-founding with russia as with the soviet union so that the soviet union did not behave so aggressively at least since the death of joseph stalin, and here stalin is alive and healthy, he is 70 years old. well, that is also why it was 73 when he died, but then medicine was different and stalin too. i apologize, he was a professional revolutionary in me professional, did he rob banks and not hang out in cultural centers in his youth, of course there is a

question . to strategically weaken russia and play for a very, very gradual increase in interest rates , i.e., a gradual reset of all of this. i still do not see in a large part of the west and in europe, in the united states in particular, the desire and , most importantly, the willingness to raise rates because they are afraid of putin, but they are even more afraid of russia, which will uncontrollably reboot into another reality, and in which reality, and

this actually remains the biggest unknown unknown. what do you think, in principle, because in the meaning of being in the ukrainian capital in victoria nuland, the representative of the public sector of the united states is also such a long visit. a new security standard for american officials who, as a rule, came to the ukrainian capital only for a day in kyiv for several days and what was interesting about this visit was that victoria nuland stressed that the pressure on vladimir putin regarding the use of nuclear weapons forced the russian leader

to change the tactics of the war, that now, in particular, people are thinking not so much about the use of nuclear weapons as about destroying all the ukrainian civil infrastructure without the use of nuclear weapons , that is, to achieve with these shellings the effect that may be due to many shellings there, so that the results are in comparable to the results of some real nuclear attack. this is absolutely such a logical situation related to what is happening in russia's involvement in the war, and i don't think that this can be called something new. the united states also uh notice this story and hmm really state that there is no p pavlo we have so please what do you think about this visit now probably

details but actually from the last second because in the last couple of sentences you will have to repeat to him it was not a question, it was a story to the audience about victoria nuland's visit to kyiv. i would like you to comment on the meaning of this stay. i believe that victoria, as a person who is responsible for the general political logic, for the actual implementation of what is determined at the political level, is one of those who ready to go much further than in reality. maybe i hope such a plan, a diplomatic phrase will not offend anyone in the united states in any way.

and she knows how to deal with them, and in fact her visit to russia is very alarming in the sense that she usually prepares concrete concrete actions and concrete strategies and does not talk about general things, including such important things as political support but nevertheless, she is a very specific person and after her visits , new ideas and ideas always arise and none are implemented. well, in the end, the rest is victoria nova , who is responsible for our entire wide region, in the end, in the end, the implementation of the strategy is her personal case and if you want personal inspiration and i think that she will prove it to the end how far

can you say what is that in principle it is far enough you can explain it is far enough i apologize where nulen can go next between i would like what does it mean when i think that from an ethical position this is the usual position of the united states of political support and supplies for the security service of ukraine and financial support, but i am absolutely sure that victoria is ready to go further. and in terms of military support from her, she is ready to go further. this is the future architecture of security and most importantly it is not ready for any european idea but let's save putin's face if we put it together

like lego i think that the picture will be clear in ukraine quite seriously criticize the decision on the maximum price for russian oil well indeed $60, this is even more than today russia can expect to receive for its raw materials. well, we understand that this decision is a compromise, that poland, let's say , wanted half as much. nothing changes in real russian wealth. this is how a mechanism is created and it is created only for russia in the future , which allows those who consume to control the spikes in energy prices, in particular oil, and this means that the western world, which supports us, will be more stable less dependent on inflationary surges, this is already a plus. the second point is

that you and i said in the process today that this mechanism will be very, very gradually applied in relation to russia, and what kind of schmog for that so that the total supply of oil on the world market does not lead to a significant increase in energy prices and the americans this is absolutely straightforward and has been said many times, including by the minister of finance. that is, this is a task today and the day after tomorrow. well , you and i would very much like these killed the russian economy today at most until the evening, but this is a medium-term story that will be effective, but the validity period is really medium-term here, although the story is very, very effective and it will allow

the west to control oil oil russian streams thank you mr. pavlom minister of foreign affairs of ukraine 2013-2019 pavlo klimkin was on the air with us and now we continue the foreign policy topic and our main interlocutor in this part of the program is khoma ivan bdzholah editor of the publication ukraine in arabic good day good evening i i want to start with this information that was reported by the portals together international that iran is allegedly just helping russia to suppress protests. i would like to ask you. do i really need such help early? i always thought that the iranian revolutionary guard corps is no less effective from the point of view of suppressing mass protests than the russian special services, why do russians need knapsacks? once again, good evening in

italy and good evening to our viewers, of course you are right . it can train other regimes, as in belarus, in russia , in fact, there is another iran after handing over the drones and in the morning, i saw what the result was, what exactly were the winning and losing positions, and i understood who promised to enter the war, which he wanted . этой игры iran wants to stop before the drones of russia this does not mean that the iranian regime has become good, but for this it needs a reason to refuse to moscow and

today the most important task for the iranian regime is internal confrontation with smetanguyuschimi and therefore i set the task impossible first of all, the wonderful iranian regime understands that russia is unable to help. how did russia help before in kazakhstan or belarus, where we are talking about the territory of the slavic peoples ? but putin was helped by the military forces of sudan to suppress and uh, he kills the rebels who were against the military coup in the courts. then it turned out to be an avirant. everything is different. they don’t have the tools. and of course very strongly eh you can spot anyone let's say european who will change clothes and they don't have enough because today there are protests all over the country and their

today's question has gone out of the scope of the controlled therefore the tehran regime is following the point of cunning or let's say persian the ruse sets up an impossible task, it fell out in moscow, of course, moscow will not be able to do it, and as a result, the iranian regime will slowly refuse to hand over the friends of russia, and further, that is precisely what baristich missiles are already possible for us we know from different intelligence data, i hope that the deal will also be a jumper. and tell me, mohammed, that in iran now they want to revise the law on the compulsory wearing of a hejab and disband the famous police of morals that have poisoned people's lives for 10 years. what else are these concessions, the regime is what you don’t have , this is demand let’s say so, eh, he will end eh with regulations,

but in a cunning way, for all of this, for all of this, the last story was formed within the corps of the guardians of the revolution, two clans, and he is a clan that is more the radical who proposed er because of the excessive use of the body of the protiglish and the second clan that finally found an opportunity to kill you, since there is already an institution of the people of iran, for several years he has proposed reforming the republic of iran so that iran refuses foreign vector interference from other countries and from your proxies i lost everyone and so on and turned into a modern republic where people must be loyal to the constitution and those who want to remain in the regime as we know it and the cormorant rides, they are both strong but not one of the other smog eh the second one will win and today’s concessions that are beneficial stacks are of course a huge plus that shows that the iranian

regime is really talking and he can’t control from the other side. we are disbanding this police, we are starting an investigation . yes, it is also clear to everyone, it would be possible to believe if it was done jointly by international institutions that will monitor and control the process of the investigation of the judges, who will be the essence of who was killed, and it just came out, let's say so, the prosecutor general and stated that faith is not enough what do we know, since we know that there is a dual power there, there is a concept of the name of the watchdog of the internal affairs of foreign countries - this is one thing , it is not enough that the main power decides - it is in the hands of the corps revolulux and while the

cheese is fully controlled controls whether we have a full package of control over the republic of mo- there is little to believe in this and tell me what are the real opportunities of the west now affected by the wounds from the point of view of arms supplies to russia from the point of view of let’s say a reduced level of repression if iran still lives under sanctions for decades and until now, he has not changed his police. the iranian regime does not understand the language of diplomacy, but only the language of that. iraqte iran hit the oil rigs with the second named drone step 136 in september 19th of the year, the court raid and threatened the world economy unfortunately, there was a very weak reaction of the international community today we have a second chance today we are watching so be it,

stand up as the entire state and others have come out and demand the recognition of their rights. how is national autonomy possible? azerbaijanskie others and today from the civilized world there is a chance not just to demand from iran that how you fulfill several international norms on the nuclear program will not be negotiated, but to demand that the rights of the national minority be respected three iran will open its eh let's say that the trunks of which will be put in the international sauce from the controllers of the democratic process, because this regime, if it remains, does not divide the truths of democracy. he needs a break, as it

is necessary. how he does not take power again, he will repeat, but the next time he will be stronger. today, there is a serious argument. iran has already proven to the whole world that the iranian regime has proven that it is a threat not only to the east, but also to europe . warsaw and vilnius, probably anywhere, the ability is in the hands of the kremlin, that is, we already have a complete proof of today's cutting the nails of this regime or the cocks of this regime. что сейчас china is actually achieving its opportunities in cooperation with locusts. here it is even overtaking russia from the point of view of economic cooperation. this is not a fact of support for the

regime. they are funny because then the sanctions. if we read carefully, they take oil from the sanctions. the products are early, however, it is very interesting and includes three countries, including the sale of iran to china, the sale of china to turkey and india, and what else is needed early, the same sanctions, initially they were not effective, sorry. i'm talking now, today has shown that you are entering the sanctity, the iranian regime has prospered, the revolutionary guard corps has received more opportunities, it has not become mini, dangerous and worse, it wanted to, it began to fight in europe, in ukraine, and that is why today's should be serious sanctions, i am talking about russia, i asked you about the fact that there is a question like this is oil, and iran is

worse and the sale is due, and oil is not china , turkey is on all countries, so that there was a ban, that is, iran today, as well as gail regime and rank either iran listens to international requirements and really respects these laws or he must continue to live under serious sanctions for electronics, a very raft for traffic cameras, which he used his drones for china's g20 has already agreed on those who, like the united states, will not say anything more , and china perfectly understands that he is strong, but he is the regime in moscow. gives way and will buy energy, iran has decided, but it will not go into a confrontation with the descendants of

america or is it europe, how much 93% of china's economy is connected with whom exactly, with the west, and if it will be precisely iranian, there are no prices for goods for everyone, then someday rysovat thank you, mahamed, let me remind you that we had nahamed ferjolah, the editor-in-chief of the publication ukraine in arabic on the air, and you and i discussed exactly what iranian -russian cooperation might look like. at this stage, how will iran get out of this situation in which now the regime is the theocratic regime of etoll of iran against the background of these months-long protests that continue in iran, now before our eyes, which have already led to the death of many residents of this country at the hands of the owner of the special services and russia, of course, does not abandon its attempts to negotiate with the iranian

leadership, just recently in tehran, a russian the military delegation headed by the deputy minister of defense of the russian federation, general serhii fominy imitsa, and the delegation met with the chief of the general staff of the armed forces of the islamic republic, there is general muhammad barghouti, and of course, when there are meetings with the chief of the general staff, that is why you always come first about the supply of weapons, we understand how much russia, which lacks weapons, where the continuation of further actions in ukraine is interested in iranian help, but together with therefore, we also understand what mr. parajalak says that now iran would not like a serious escalation of its relations with the west for a whole series of reasons, both foreign policy reasons and domestic reasons and what we now see in iran itself and

how the architecture of relations between the islamic republic and western countries is formed, which i also think is quite important from the point of view of what we observe in iran. this is such an important topic for our future with you because iran is it's not foreign policy anymore. fortunately, we don't have drones recently, but that doesn't mean they won't appear again. we'll take a break with you for a few minutes now, because i want to convey in words melnyk, who represents you the latest news release was prepared by my colleagues from the express news service, please, and we will return to the most important thing, stay with us, a russian projectile killed a 23-year-old