in particular, the russian empire and the soviet empire and to act as it was done there 50-60 years ago, do we still want to be legal with our european integration intentions because of what is contained in the essence of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate and we understand that we must proceed carefully but resolutely in our studio, people's deputy of ukraine oleg senyuka, three draft laws have been registered, the fourth one is on the way, well, at least the cabinet of ministers should work on it, mr. oleg , what ways do you see, well, first of all, what is this event is taking place under the constitutional court, why is the picket of the constitutional court taking place, it is connected with the church, because the constitutional court is considering a law that was voted on by

the verkhovna rada of the previous convocation and blocked . the russian church in ukraine because this abbreviation uoc mp actually introduces a lot of people, it is manivtsi because well, it seems that the ukrainian orthodox church and this is actually a ukrainian church are not the russian church in ukraine should be called as it was determined by the law of the russian orthodox church in ukraine and then it will become clear to everyone. if you want to be a parishioner of the moscow church in ukraine, then you should know that you are a parishioner of the moscow church in ukraine. as for the draft law, it seems to me that it is very clearly defined and divided, religion, freedom of conscience, which should be inviolable, because this is really

one of the components of the basic position on our participation , including in the european community, and collaboration and work on the fsb structure, as it were they did not hide themselves, no matter what robes they wrapped themselves in, and these laws that are in the parliament today, in any case, one of them is prepared by deputies from european solidarity, this very clearly divides freedom of conscience. which today contributes to the occupation of ukraine. please excuse the responsibility according to the current legislation. i wonder why the nsdc decided to develop some new draft law because in reality, the president could act very simply and clearly define the existing draft law

as urgent, bring it to the parliament, vote it in the first reading, and if any amendments are needed, everything can be completed very quickly and perfectly before the second reading, so that it corresponds to freedom of speech and our obligations to the european community did not allow collaboration and work for the occupiers, only here is the question of political will, mrs. lyudmila, we will ask for your reflections. i am for the fact that experts must be invited to the discussion of laws expert opinion is of enormous importance, and if , for example, these laws were brought to us, we would read them carefully , because you understand that in this area, in the area of ​​freedom of conscience, in the area of ​​religious life , no mistakes can be made in any way, eh, this is a very sensitive area for us too it is not necessary for you to know that schvendels are going down now, as people used to say about crusades, when we should focus

on completely different topics and on other problems. we are at war . rightly based on the danger and security of our country, the representatives of this church are acting dangerously, which means they will be imprisoned for 12 years. i think that you want to serve a couple of years for your collaboration with the occupation regime 12 years ago, this warning is a very serious call, it is very good that they have collected enough evidence basis, that is, this court acted fairly, but once again i want to say that they tried not a priest, but a citizen of ukraine with a specific name and surname for the fact that he

cooperated, well, we can do this in any position to do and so that you know the cross and now that will definitely start to be distributed that we are being persecuted for our religion no, we are being persecuted for our religion, er, the fact that you are cooperating with the enemies for the fact that you are actually speaking against ukraine in this situation, that's why it is absolutely necessary to clarify, that is, it is necessary to publicize the cases so that everyone in ukraine knows about such court cases, including the leadership of the ukrainian orthodox church. and i get the impression that they live in their own closed world, they are by themselves and society by itself, they by themselves and we , uh, from the situation of war, because how can you dissolve, for example, the excision of the bishop of

ivano-frankivsk, a person who has stained himself with terrible immoral things and, please, now they will have such a wonderful superior, such a guide of spiritual spiritual life who is this non-bishop, we as a civil society have not been silent until now and we must continue to constantly raise our very audible voice, because no one else today will act as such experts as the people who are responsible attitude towards the future of your country, mrs. lyudmila, if i understood you correctly, then you fear that in the event of the adoption of any legislative initiatives, we may have crusades, and actually from people who will be dissatisfied with the ban or even the renaming of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate and so draft laws, so to speak, but we understand that very clearly defined

, so to speak, wording must be weighed and, at the same time, a mechanism must be proposed for what to do with those priests and bishops who, being in the structures of the uoc mp or the russian orthodox church and so on and so on. and so on, you get confused in all those wordings, in fact, well, that is, what to do with them. they have to get one or another corridor so that, well, they can’t just understand how to shed their beards, take off their undercoat, and all about this is what we think and we discuss it at our export meetings, and here there are a large number of different ways that the church can follow. said that the doors of our church are open to all orthodox christians, that is, there are already about 1,200

parishes that have changed their jurisdiction, in fact, they have passed from the moscow patriarchate to the orthodox church of ukraine and in the future, if there is such a desire, prepare the documents correctly, call a meeting, vote, and the orthodox church of ukraine will gladly accept you, but well, not only that, you can ask for a stauropedia directly from the patriarch of constantinople. i think that patriarch bartholomew loves ukraine very much. he will not deny you such an opportunity. but you can ask for and let's say autocephaly from the moscow patriarchate and you will exist here as an independent church, really on your own with a certain defined status, because what you wrote in your decisions of the so-called council of may 27, listen well, that's not what gate we will take

, you can write anything you want the basis for your activity is the recognized charter of alexei the second and it is clearly written that the uoc is part of the russian orthodox church, you can influence the absolute structure and over time achieve canonical status for it how this was done at one time by the kyiv patriarchate by uniting with the autocephalous church and part of the ukrainian orthodox church, mrs. lyudmylo, so that they will go on the path of confrontation, there is such an internal, some kind of intuitive story. and take into account the expert opinion, but on the other hand, i believe that those who today belong and exalt themselves to the hands of the moscow patriarchate actually have there are only three ways, the first way is to go to the

orthodox church of ukraine and this process is absolutely canonical and because the orthodox church of ukraine is today a part of universal orthodoxy. position and the third way, grant this way. in the understanding of orthodoxy, in the understanding of theology, this is the way of heretics, and this is also the third way that they can choose, because there will be no ecumenical patriarch, and he has already spoken about it publicly declared to recognize another canonical orthodox church on the territory of the ukrainian state - this is obvious, that is, the second canonical orthodox church of ukraine on the territory of ukraine will not have autocephaly from moscow, but moscow has no right to determine autocephaly on the territory

of ukraine, because such autocephaly can be obtained and given only the ecumenical patriarch, therefore, today, first of all, priests, because everything is clear with the communities, if you are really given the definition of the communities, i am convinced that the communities will go into the womb of the canonical autocephalous orthodox church of ukraine, only priests with the permission of the moscow patriarchate will be able to direct them to some other path, and there are three paths: to go to the orthodox church canonically, to stay in the moscow orthodox canonically, or to take the path of lawyers . that is all the choice that can exist today, mrs. lyudmila what do you think of the three paths outlined by oleg siniootka - this is the first question, but actually give something, i would not compare it to the path of the kyiv patriarchate of the ukrainian orthodox church of the

kyiv patriarchate, because give but then on in the territory of ukraine there was no canonical autocephalous church recognized by the ecumenical patriarchate and it was a significantly different matter today any path to independent existence these are heretics and they simply cannot get any other recognition mrs. lyudmila well, you see, the state thinks according to the state , that is, the already ready result e- after all, i still have more of a fan of various paths, because here it is not only the wishes of our state that must be taken into account. we must take into account the wishes of the church itself, and it is not yet ready to answer this question well, the concept of heresy is not used in state-church relations. it is exclusively a theological

economic concept. we cannot use it, we can. you know . state laws, then we will do it, we will do it, that is, the church on some fourth or fifth or sixth way . how can she not orient herself in this situation , especially since she is not the only structure, there are people of very different orientations there, there are extreme right, extreme left, there are those who are oriented only to moscow, and there are those who are oriented toward kyiv and who are not at all we are not focused on anything. in fact, for 30 years , we have not worked from this church. you know, it has turned into an inviolable structure that is constantly

fed with certain money and support, and that's why you now understand that our society needs to help this church. so we should help to solve everything wisely, so to speak, but here i would like to move on from the purely ecclesiastical issue, yes. well, we are not too much with khrestyna, we are high-level theologians, and to the question of property, there is the property of the ukrainian people, which was built by ukrainians for centuries while staying in their own the jurisprudence of the church with its right, it was, so to speak, in direct communication with the universal church in constantinople, there are shrines that were respectively in our hands, they are now in the hands of the state and are used by representatives of the moscow church, well, the kiev-pechersk lavra, at least we also have the pochaiv lavra. that is, we

understand that this property belongs to the ukrainian people, and they use it on the basis of a lease , so to speak. today and in the early 1990s, the legislator very clearly defined that the property belongs to a religious community, that is, if there is a religious community in a village, settlement or city and it is organized, then the property of the church premises belongs to a non-ukrainian the ukrainian church, the russian church, or someone else , it belongs to the community and the community that decides to transfer to the canonical londo of the orthodox church of ukraine automatically uses the church premises in order to fulfill its religious needs and perform divine services. everything is very simple here, this part that today belongs to the state,

let's say it is kiev-pechersk lavra, too, everything is very simple. this is state property and the cabinet of ministers of ukraine has the opportunity to make a decision on the use of this or that building in this or that denomination, therefore, in my opinion, the fact that, by the way , the lease expires in december, and the fact that today the cabinet of ministers is delaying the decision to terminate the agreement with the russian church with this fsb structure, where is pavlo active? well, we have already seen in the materials of law enforcement agencies. is happening and transfer it to the ukrainian canonical church in accordance with current legislation. in my opinion, it is quite strange. unfortunately, i have to look from time to time into what russian propagandists say about the situation in ukraine. here is the last margarita simonyan's trick was that

we can't hit kiev because our shrine is there, says margaritm, he said that it's their church, that is, he recognized what these fsb-shniks very often renounce because they say that we, the ukrainian church, simply belong to and piskov clearly said that part of our structure advocates for them, so it is a separate, separate pleasure , as they say, read we also thank ms. ludmila filipovych, a doctor of philosophical sciences, a professor in the vice-presidency of the ukrainian association religious scholars, who contacted us for a professional comment, and oleg synyutka, mp of ukraine, was a guest of our studio, thank you, mr. oleg, and we have bad, extremely bad information from the donetsk region, on december 7, the russian military struck the market of the bus station, gas stations, and residential buildings in the city of kurakhove at

least 8 civilians were killed in donetsk region, donetska ova and pavlo kirylenko report about it, that's what the situation is now in donetsk region, and besides that, we will keep you informed about the most important thing but our colleagues will take care of it, i think it is so extremely interesting right now about the program prepared by our colleague miklushka list of miklushka collaborators so look carefully so let's watch them together see this week in the program collaborators list of miklunks traitors the government - who does the moscow patriarchate actually serve this peep collected for representatives of the army of the aggressor country, information about the number, deployment, equipment, and armament of the armed forces of ukraine instead of the word of god, campaigning for a referendum, how the kremlin uses its agents there are explosions, the blood of dmitrup, and so on, what they scared us

about was how pasha mercedes punished a monk, the kuputina is closed, every war gives birth to heroes , unfortunately, we cannot do without traitors, and there is nothing to be surprised about today's betrayal of those who, long before the full-scale invasion, worked for the enemy and glorified the russian peace in ukraine, he did this publicly all the time in all corners of our country, so to speak, preparing a strong bridgehead for the landing of the landing force, in this issue i will tell about the collaborators in cassocks with a cross on their bellies, we will not to delve into the story of how, with the support of russian politicians, the clergy of the moscow patriarchate built up their muscles for years, became agents and mouthpieces of the kremlin to wash the bridges of information gathering and

agitation. they are united by their work for russia, on the left in civilian clothes, the main collaborator of the occupied kharkiv region, vitaly ganchev, they made only their own decision about what really happened yes мы будуные мы областыные составление область областы, конклады в себя е функционые проективной делахитным власты about this former ukrainian cop who went over to the side of the enemy and was appointed the gauleiter of the occupied part of the kharkiv region . всё будет сегодня , oleg ivanov blesses you with these words of the collaborator, this name has entered the world.

the ukrainian orthodox church must belong to the patriarchate, it glorifies the seizure of territory, torture, abuse, humiliation and murder, blesses rape and robbery for the destruction of ukrainian churches, in one word, everything that the rashist troops carry with them, does exactly as his papa in moscow, patriarch kirill he gundyaev probably remembers all they say that the servant of satan blessed the war against ukraine. well, since you are the head of the rostsgvardia, i would like this image to be in the ranks of growth гвардия российской федерация thank you for this gift at the end, and when even the priests heard that kyiv in moscow was not to the liking of the uoc of the moscow patriarchate in ukraine, they voted for changes to the statute, as if they renounced the influence of cyril of moscow, refused to mention him in prayers and

allegedly condemned the war and our the so-called hero of eliseus is also that desperate spirit, where can we go without the prayer of the hardened putin kagibist ? by the way, the criminal code of ukraine does not distinguish who exactly commits treason, a politician, an ordinary civil official, a former law enforcement officer or a priest, all face 15 years or life imprisonment with confiscation of property, and confiscation elisey has what and it's not only a golden robe, an estate, a car and russian rubles, izyumska kupyansk has already been freed from the rashists and not a word about elisey's detention, he may have fled to russia, but

maybe, against the background of other collaborators, our prosecutors simply forgot about him, so we remind you of all the photos from occupied kherson, preparing for the pseudo-referendum on the accession of kherson to russia, the occupiers arranged a so-called forum to whom it was lit and one more for prodanets in a cassock, this is gennady shkil, abbot of the seraphim church in naked prystan, sitting behind the tribune with the banner we are together with russia, the school did what it does best, propaganda all this time , the devil's arsenal is what i need. where would you be, gazdepa? they asked and they ask will destroy the unity of the russian ukrainian and belarusian people in 30 years, their purposeful actions have turned prosperous ukraine into a failed project. kherson was the first to break free from the clutches of the collective west with us, boxing with us, russia, at first i thought

so, another peep with a wolf in his head no, it’s not just a hoax, but systematic work on russia must be done away with on the march of a traitor or a collaborator . shkil is getting down to business, who will bless the opening of the russian passport office in oleshki, too the school who will welcome the occupying forces on may 9, of course . the school's special arrows of the russian troops on the ukrainian side is not a problem for the school. and it is also a favorite activity to show the parishioners that shootings, torture and other atrocities were fabricated by the ukrainian authorities, they are explosions, blood and corpses. i don't know what world this guy lives in because of what kind of glasses does he look at what is happening on the streets, but i know one thing for sure, after the deoccupation of kherson, he will either sit down or run away, if he lives, of course, but there is a separate cauldron somewhere in hell for such priests of liars.

and the informant of the rashin invaders, the abbot of the lysichansk sviat tikhvin temple of the so-called uoc of the moscow patriarchate, archpriest andriy pavlenko, he was detained in april, and a correspondence with the enemy was found in his phone. of the armed forces of ukraine in north donetsk and villages adjacent to the city, the collected information was transmitted to the occupiers through the telegram messenger, then the enemy in accordance with this corrected the location of the targets with information and opened fire. the special cynicism of the actions of priest andrii pavlenko is that with one hand he corrected the bombing of moderate residents and with the other he then mourned those who died in the bomb shelter. now the collaborator is in a pre-trial detention center

. he has 15 years of evidence of criminal activity. he supported the occupation of ukraine and spread the pro-russian ideology justified the atrocities of the russo- nazis, this is all about a priest from the konotop district in the sumy region, his name is oleksandr boyko prison the place is not new for him, because the son of god deviated from the true path not for the first time, he previously served three years for theft, later he stole a forest worth uah 40,000, for which he received a fine, now he is a collaborative activity, for which he shines for 15 years, he is detained and the trial is ongoing. the 64-year-old priest of the myron church in novograd-volynsk justified russian aggression and promoted russian peace yushka kulaburant claimed that

it was not russian troops who were killing myron residents and destroying their homes and everything around the ukrainian armed forces went even further, the so-called father onufry from kyiv, his name is actually serhiy tarasov, during the search of his apartment, our security forces found weapons, explosives, russian rubles, imperial symbols and correspondence in the phone where he gave information about our military to the curators from skripostan. and also promised to take kyiv together with the kadyrivians, now will he take the ballad in his mouth with gratitude in his hands with the colorado ribbon and the medal for the defense of crimea , the bishop of simferopol and crimea confidently carries the word of god of the diocese of the moscow patriarchate, konstantin chernyshov, served before the occupiers, he helped during the annexation of the peninsula in 2014, the jewish temple served as a military base for the polite little green men who kept

weapons, ammunition and provisions for baptism at the service, orders and eternity in hell, and in the zaporizhzhia region, the priest presented the mayor to the parishioners who was appointed by the occupiers to watch over the roziv region, and the priest george simply gave the floor during the service to gauleiter andrii markin rossii she came here and does not gather on her own two feet or forward with her feet, and as for the propagandist priest, it is unlikely that anything will help him to heal his soul and mind, our patriarch kirill once said in his time that the symphony should be between the church and the state, i do not even doubt that the only symphony that george will hear after the de-occupation of the zaporizhzhia region will be funeral or prison

, look at these photos in the occupied estuary of donetsk region, the invaders are met with bread and salt by olga fomenko father serhiy fomenko embraces the murderers of ukrainians, as i said at the beginning of the program, i am not surprised by these priests, because they waited for the occupation for 30 years, were a mouthpiece, prepared the groundwork for the invasion, carried out intelligence gathering and transmitting information, but i cannot fathom what is in the minds of their parishioners, those fanatics who are stubbornly against the black they say white and they continue like sponges to absorb the slogans of the moscow gods, why not remove this cancerous tumor that has managed to grow and spread metastases now, and while ukraine is waiting for healing from the moscow kgb obscurantists, elders of the russian orthodox church will continue to gain influence like pasha mercedes, the scandalous

head of the kyiv pechersk lavra. by the way, he died. in the name of this son of the holy spirit, an audio recording appeared on the internet in which pavlo lebid scolds a monk for criticizing and calling putin names. also, the governor of kyiv of the pechersk lavra recommends a subordinate to look into the heart of the rashitsky leader, and you, you didn't hear when you didn't think about it? and you, who am i, a monk ? services because if you are a monarch, then you must close the door of your heart and look into it, these gorlavsky, these carpenter examples of collaborationism and treason on the part of the priests of moscow