they are preparing and how it is happening now, maybe there are some specific examples that, in particular, our units took it all the way, that is, those prisoners whom you chose are all convicts, and well, they are very strict with this, that is, they shoot those who do not want to go in the offensive, they shoot at an attempt to leave the battlefield and move to the side. and they have a barrage of troops working, that is, in this regard, everything is like in the second world war. maybe it is even tougher in places, that is, the situation with prisoners is such that it still has to wait until the moment when to be able to surrender, i.e. first they can kill their own and then, of course, the ukrainian army is also working and defending positions . polon er, they surrender themselves

to poloni and we act according to the norms of international law regarding and do they use weapons? they are not just people who are thrown into position without the same kalashnikovs, they can use weapons against their convoys. well, for sure, but you you know, here is a rhetorical question, in principle, the history of mankind proves that, in principle, many people can be turned into an absolute submissive herd . there is nothing particularly difficult about this, but if we are talking about a country like russia, which has always acted only in this way, then we are giving the second world war war, terrible battalions and so on. that's why they didn't open their weapons there and shoot those who shot in the back, well, a good question. why do we? because before that, these people were brought to such a state that they were, in principle, completely subjugated already in slavery but if we are talking about those who are now against us

, then they are basically in such a situation from the very beginning. that is, it is just garbage, the real thing. well, you can go out, for example, behind which of the russian prisons that sat there for serious crimes, in principle, i don't think so. that it is a difficult task to throw them into battle in such a format if you have the right to shoot them for any disobedience and so on well, they are doing this well, this is what comrade trotsky once said that a soldier of the red army needs put in front of inevitable death from their own if he does not want to go on the attack with possible death from an enemy bullet, well, according to this principle, they act, they shoot for any absolute failure to comply with the order, for any attempt to desert or surrender, eh, immediately death for him, in principle. well, if i didn't i am surprised that this is exactly what is happening in the end. andriyu, i would like to ask you to evaluate the dynamics of the

battles under bakhmut during the next month, in particular there, november and the beginning of december, that is, do you feel that the enemy may be breathing out little by little or, on the contrary, the situation is definitely different the enemy is running out of breath, the enemy is exhausting his strength, but until that moment to say that he is already completely exhausted, unfortunately, we cannot say that, that is, there are heavy battles and in these heavy battles, the enemy is suffering huge losses, the losses of the enemy are really huge , how much do they still have such bear losses and replenish restore i don't know, but in any case, it doesn't matter much to us, we will destroy the enemy, well, as long as it takes. thank you mr. andriy thank you for your service and for participating in our broadcast andriy ilenko officer of the svoboda battalion, which is now fighting under bahmut or

under bahmut thank you once again mr. andrii well, we are attaching to the program the verdict of mykhailo zhirokhov, a military expert well, glory to ukraine p. mykhailo congratulations, you can hear me. you see it like a hero. congratulations, we just finished our conversation with andrii ilyenko, an officer who is actively fighting under bakhmut. well, accordingly, such a naive question is possible. why did the russians cling to bakhmut with such stubbornness of an idiot? there are huge losses of any additional resources, they can not attract there except for those parts of which they which they they took out, in particular, from the right bank, but all the same, they are pushing and pushing specifically towards bakhmut, for what purpose, and with the military, about a month ago, they probed the entire defense, our defense in the donetsk region, and only under bakhmut they managed to achieve

at least the smallest results. - there they extended the defense in some places, seizing our observation points, that's why they decided that they could achieve strategic success on bahmut. and regarding the fact that they can not transfer additional forces and resources, i would i would not agree with you, because now they are mobilizing and, in addition to that, the wagner group is recruiting a lot of people. well, the content is from the place where the prisoners are, so that is where the redrawing of the reserves and forces is going on. they are coming from russia, mr. mykhailo, but on the other hand, we understand that these are not personnel units, that is, fresh from the

mobilization or former prisoners of russian prisons , they do not make up what is called professional military, these are people who have been trained, i don't know whether it is within a couple of weeks or maybe to the maximum a month since they were given a machine gun, they drew some task, a brigadier from the wagnerites was assigned to them, and their epic to the death began, and this is not a question of sympathy or sympathy, but i would ask you to evaluate how combat-ready these units are , because the light from the mobilized, as we understand, cannot always decide on the battlefield, although the question of numbers is also an extremely important story. well, here now there was such a nuance on their side as the weather conditions, the last two or three weeks in donbas there was constant fog and drones were launched which adjusted the fire of our artillery, well, of course, their artillery was quite difficult, so the advantage in

personnel became critical, that is, if they had accumulated before that, they had time to strike it with artillery in this is all these forces. well, it was not impossible to use it now in the absence of artillery they are just tactics of the second world war, when they reached our trenches, the wagnerites, and then the mobilized er-e captured these trenches and already held on. well, how could they in these conditions, who has more personnel wins unfortunately, well, that is, holding these positions , artillery that could simply grind this position and put it forward so that they could not hold it, you understand, that's why, at the moment, there was an advantage over them for 2-3 weeks, then precisely in this and in this parameters, the situation is changing now. well

, i wanted to talk with you now about the so-called respite, we understand why the russians need it, that is, they would try to reformat their combat-ready units to supplement them with both equipment and personnel , and perhaps this scheme is already in the current situation does not work. because the level of motivation, well, based on the same sociological surveys in the russian federation, is not too high , probably most of them still cannot understand why this war is for them. criminals in the official representatives of the kremlin, so that is, they start saying again that there are negotiations trally-vali, that they would be ready but they would need a guarantee and so on president zelenskyy answered them quite clearly,

let's listen to president zelenskyi now and ask mr. mykhailo to analyze why the russians are belching and belching about the so-called respite in ukraine. ukraine and the free world should definitely not change their goals and exchange their values ​​for some compromises if the dictatorship is afraid to admit a mistake and tempts before the breath in battles , we must fully protect freedom and guarantee the safety of our democracy, whoever started an unprovoked and criminal war must lose and bear responsibility, ukraine and the world must receive guarantees of peace, stability and security, respectively, mr. mykhailo, it is extremely capacious, but we see several very interesting signals, that is, the enemy - it is necessary, ukraine does not agree to this, why is this regrouping for the enemy, and what can we

expect in the event that the enemy does not will not be able to achieve it and now the russian military-political leadership is facing a complex problem and this is a problem not only in the situation on the fronts, but the problem with the availability of weapons, first of all i mean high-precision missile weapons, which every day they have less and less of them, they can produce them. but for this, it takes time, because they, er, like the country, they need any er, you know, a lull on the front, let's say, transfer to a positional war in order for them to be able to mobilize what labor reserves they were able to buy on the gray arms markets some elements in order to produce weapons and they now need

missile weapons, that is why they are not looking for an opportunity for it to be a truce in order to accumulate value yes, but on the other hand, there is also the issue of motivation. in your opinion, putin generally managed to explain to the russians why they started an intervention in ukraine , that is, it is not about some kind of propaganda slogans launched by their war criminals . the so-called soviet afghan war, it acquired an extremely negative connotation in soviet society at the time, because the average soviet citizen , meeting zinc coffins from afghanistan, could not to ask yourself what kind of absolutely crazy international duty they are fulfilling there yes and after that well it took more than

15,000 lives of citizens of the soviet union well but after that they began to show, well and of course the heroic resistance of the diverse and diverse afghan people so to speak this was extremely actively contributed to. well, accordingly, the question of internal russian motivation. well, in my opinion , it is somewhat incorrect in comparison with afghan property. the fact is that the middle of this war it coincided with the so-called glasnost extension and they began to write about this war on television and in newspapers, and now in russia the situation is completely different. you know reports from the front that are quite uh well

, this is how they show this war and in the main ointment. as far as i understand, analyzing the situation in the middle of russia, they still support putin because you are the elements, they are very very cool, they play on imperial ambitions for history, they compare uh, it’s from the second world war with the great pechestevnaya and that’s why it’s still working , we need it now in order for the russian people to mature to something, but i’m not sure how long it will be. these groups that are going now so far, they are going in such a format that they fall for the dead and the children will invest well for people who are like that, you know. it is not a small thing, let's say

this to dad, this is one of the elements of what and their pra- their e- a man died for his family for putin, well, that's it on the other hand, we understand that the first wave, so to speak, of the russian intervention consisted of professional specialist soldiers and mercenaries, so the current story with fresh from mobilized from mobilized russians is a little different . i don't like it, i don't like everything, and so on. there was even a recent story of how they left the territory of the part. and if you paid attention, they did not mind going to fight with to the ukrainians they are against the fact that they are riding in good-looking

helmets and bulletproof vests, so are we, too. all of them were such mediated participants, of course, in this discussion, that is, the leader of the russian rain was, so to speak, rightly outraged by the fact that the russian interveners are ill-equipped, so they are not against going in the opposite direction to kill ukrainian women. they are against the fact that they are poorly trained, bad bastards are given weapons or bad epaulettes like ours and everything. why do the citizens need this war? putin recently started talking about peter's azov campaign. now let's look at the organizer of mass war crimes against the ukrainian people, and after that, mr.

mykhailova, i would like to ask you to analyze this great imperial narrative or will they succeed in formulating such a goal of the war, which directly captured the entire russian society, let's look together at the inland sea of ​​the russian federation, these are serious things the second peter - the first still fought for the uh new you to the sea of ​​azov but hmm yes, the most important thing is still the people who live in all these territories, the results of the referendum showed that people want to be in russia and consider themselves part of this world честью еготог простанов well , he is lying, in short, he is lying, but here the key question is why putin is lying in such formulas , that is, does he hope, maybe he has one

or another analytics, he hopes that the russians have to hide this whole thing or it is simply already open genre crisis and geopolitical dementia about diagnose p. mykhailo well, i wouldn't say that it's uh dementia, he still plays the imperial game, russians still believe that those countries that were part of the former soviet union were created only for russians, so the baltic countries so that they they traveled, rested there, shopped, and they see ukraine only as uh, such replenishments are on the fund, no more, no less, that it was 300 years ago that ukrainians by origin established uh, i would say to establish the backbone of the russian empire there this one was put off by any russian. well, i mean, in the european part, you can

find ukrainian roots, that's why they still play on this, they say that there are still russian-speaking people who are waiting for russia and who will help russia rise and er, it still works. it’s absolutely true, it’s enough. well, on the other hand, we’re taking some kind of conditional ulan-ude, i don’t know . and without need. so, that's it here or here such a choice, you know, or the implementation of putin’s imperial complexes or all the prospects and chances to return home to a solemn black mourning ball and accordingly, here are two mutually contradictory processes, how will they work quickly and approximately when, in your opinion, it is

deep for a year, they have no other choice, they can to make a career either in the army or nowhere because a huge huge problem of the russian hinterland is a castle where there are no prospects for young people and either sooner or later he is drunk to prison or he will go now to fight army and there is a great chance, well, a chance. well, how do they think that they will be able to climb the social social ladder and spread out on, well, further than what their relatives than their parents and this is uh with the fact that in school in kindergarten elementary children are constantly discussed about children who we can repeat that it was the russians who won the second world war, this is such and such an

ideological porridge in the head, which, unfortunately, is still working and for this it is necessary. well, i think at least another six months in order for such a quantity of zinc coffins to be somehow changed but somehow i don't think that the russians are capable of some kind of revolution and that they are capable of introducing this power - a power that is not. well, on the other hand, russians have always been capable of quite productive riots, as if you can take the 18th century, there was a riot of the same pugachev. well and in the end, 1917, one revolution of february and then the bolshevik coup showed that in the presence of certain counter-elite, there are different possible scenarios, so to

speak. to develop an offensive there from the other side, we also see extremely successful actions of our military on the right bank, and there are certain prospects, so to speak, to split the russian groups in the south, namely , the zaporizhia direction is very interesting , promising for our offensive, and uh, i think that uh the general staff has such plans, first of all, the decision is about melitopol, which is now important for maintaining the entire right bank of the dnieper, but the russians are betting on svakovo, they are betting right there, and they see you in the offensive on the kharkiv region. in fact, it will be possible if they can still persuade

the potato bullführer lukashenka to join the war in any form in order to divert the time of forces and means from this direction, from of the kharkiv or kyiv direction, so conditionally. well, i think that lukashenko does not have special illusions either, in fact he understands that no one will ask him because, in the event of something, he will be replaced within a couple of hours by volfovich, the secretary of the belarusian soviet security service. in the official obituary, they will write that he died of a heart attack , or something else will be said, but we must also be aware that the belarusian army is not super-friendly, that is, there is a mobilization resource of the belarusian people, the russians would like to use it, but directly there are 15,000. well, i don’t know, maybe they will scrape up to 20,000

combat units. this is also not a solution. your vision and forecasts regarding the deployment of the so-called northern or belarusian front are obvious that the belarusian army will not be able to advance independently a we can attack only with the second spire and the russians must a-a make such a strike group which er-e could advance well purely theoretically advance in two directions chernihiv and conditional a-a equal rivne direction right there but er-e so far there are no such markers of that that the situation in the north can change, and there is not , but they may appear because the russians have already worked out the transfer of a large number of forces and means of military transport aviation and they are deploying infrastructure, that is, they are

currently deploying training grounds, deploying bases, bases have already been opened the storage of belarusian weapons, therefore, the situation there cannot change right now, but it is constantly necessary to understand why our border region is not constantly kept under tension, constantly shelling, it is the chernihiv region, constant shelling yesterday in the zhytomyr region, for example, they knocked down pickets, which obviously seem to have flown only from the territory of belarus, that is there are processes that are taking place, but they do not currently have this form of threats, although our command is preparing and there are certain unpleasant moments for the belarusians that have already been worked out and i think they will be like that for them a huge surprise well, let's hope that their instinct for self-preservation will correspond

to certain steps that our general staff can take in the event of an open belarusian intervention, but if we take, for example, in terms of time, approximately in order to mold the so- called belarusian groups in addition, how much time would the russians need, i.e. it is not about the withdrawal, so to speak, of the bayonets or under the kalash , so to speak, the existing belarusian army formations, it is about the creation of a fundamentally new group, which should consist of i do not know there are 50,000 thousand additional 60, mr. mykhailo, please count, so to speak, time lags and, accordingly, the number of russian interventionists in belarus that would be needed for aggression, if we take into account that the belarusians can deploy 17-20 thousand troops, well, i mean airborne troops troops, i mean special forces motorized riflemen

. well, it’s about 17-20 thousand, and for a full-fledged offensive, the russians need about 70,000. to clean erotically, now the russians have, again, according to various data, from 20 to 25,000 mobilized people who are being trained at various six training grounds in belarus, and now they do not represent such a force, they are simply coordinating, that is, if we take into account that they it takes about 50,000 with equipment and everything, that’s about 3 weeks, a month, in order to assemble this group, and for a while there, well, at least a week, they will need to assemble it all together, but now some control bodies are being deployed

integration is possible, then it can be estimated that it will be about 4-5 weeks before they start transferring troops to belarus imperceptibly, they will not be able to do this, we hope, yes, relatively speaking, they will start to charge, charge , charge slowly there fresh from the mobilized , transport them there or by cattle trucks is there any other way to try to legislate such things, yes, we would like to be ready, so to speak, in this aspect, in this aspect, belarus is an object for study, let's say in in the quotation marks of western intelligence because it is located on the border with nato and er white er such kind of security of poland it is in the first place besides our general staff our intelligence agencies they

also have certain agent networks in belarus and i think that the situation who was there in the fall of the 21st year will no longer be there. well, let's really hope for that in the end. i think that we know much more about belarus, or at least not less than the belarusians themselves know. what do you think due to our extraordinary successes, in particular, we are talking about the anti-air defense system, so to speak, the last massive russian missile attack was, well , 70 guided missiles there, plus or minus, so about 60, our fighters shot down. well, first of all , starting from february 24, the air defense units that were before the war, they had tremendous combat experience, the russians did not succeed in destroying them, and these people who

went through it in the spring of 22, summer of 22, they have extremely combat experience, in addition to the supply of western air defense models, they turned out to be quite effective because it was carried out independently , again this word will be used to integrate those systems into the general management system against the ukrainian anti-missile defense system, because it was built according to soviet models, and now it was very quickly possible to integrate western models that now cooperate with domestically produced radar stations, but not western-made stations and soviet -made stations, and this is very important because the samples of certain missiles themselves are so powerful and they

shoot down some targets, but it is also very important that the topic of alerting the topic of alerting and the system of interaction of these anti-aircraft missile systems, we will say directly that they were supplied to us from various sources from well, not only they are there, and i have their hokas, which are already from the 90s, they are more modern, they are less modern , such soviet missiles and now and so long ago , there was information that the poles put 125 on our mobile, mykhailo, unfortunately , the editors are telling me that i should pass the word on to my colleagues. once again, thank you for this extremely interesting conversation, mykhailo shirokhov. the military expert was currently working on the program's verdict of ion dollars, ukraine will additionally receive from the united states next