tv [untitled] December 8, 2022 12:30am-1:01am EET
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the opportunity to work in telegram, but on the other hand, of course, they should also work in telegram, creating channels like this and spreading it, again, this may be 80% of some interesting, even true information, but these 10-20% will be the correct manipulations of inciting protests to dissatisfaction with the authorities to dissatisfaction with some other social group, that's why you need to understand very well the risks you take by reading telegrams, that's why i keep telling my grandmother, don't believe what you get in telegram, and in viber, i still have them advanced, but they continue to trust these messengers who throw themselves in dangerously. especially for the elderly . well, at the beginning of the war, they tried to spread the thesis that russian troops are taking over ukraine, the influence does not work, there is no beer, there is no aviation, there are only a few days left and they tried to sow panic that now they they are trying to implement, well, frankly, turning off
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the light in ukraine in the conditions of uh, terrorist, absolutely our infrastructure, to build our infrastructure among ourselves and to quarrel with the authorities again because of power outages or we are cold and dark. and here they are trying to awaken this dissatisfaction in us. well, and turn those who have influence on one side of the barricade among themselves, these attacks on volunteers are the same, they use it as actively as possible, that volunteers steal the money that you give them ukrainian drones do not work for them, they steal money, there is no need to send anything anywhere, and in fact there is no normal reporting, well, that is, these same wastes, in fact, they supposedly do not even need any facts. just someone says well, there is no reporting, we are nothing. such a statement already is already such a statement that settles in the mind and starts really and why and where the money goes, i did not see and maybe
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this is not a real report, well, that is, it is about this doubt, but let's be honest, it works even in some european and american media there, well, how can it be said that focus uses these messages precisely with the theft of weapons, there is a program that comes out every week and the presenter for the whole of america talks about why we should not give us weapons, that is, these same messages are pro-russian used in america by a large-scale russian company that was launched a few months ago and a bunch of useful idiots played along with it, including victoria sparz, we don't know exactly how much she plays this role or something else deliberately why deliberately we can't know it like that now but in fact they are very dangerous theses because they are also all the doubts of our partners are not saying but really maybe we don't know something, but now this weapon will appear in some other country, well, it is obvious that there are fears, and there were fears from the very beginning in our partners give us weapons, because imagine the
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russians will come here and seize these weapons so absolutely, and now it is obvious that everyone understands what successes we have on the battlefield, so these fears are becoming less and less, about two or three months ago, there was a whole wave of their attempts to attack namely the transfer of weapons to ukraine due to the thesis that ukraine is losing these weapons, russia seized two cannons there, it happened later, ukraine sells javelins on the black market in the darknet and something else and it was also picked up by some european politicians. european mass media and i remember that a french political scientist and political technologist posted this information, we found out that he is completely pro-russian there, we support rillipen and there we have a meeting with putin, but this wave was and suddenly ended, that is, well they understood that the uterus is not working, the discrediting of this active phase
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has ended, there are definitely still players who will push the thesis but again, they need to focus their efforts on a certain topic if this topic does not work for a certain time, then it is necessary to switch and move on. i just see now the issue of negotiations and the issue of forcing ukraine to peace, these are new messages and a new level, but if it ended with weapons, this avalanche that poured messages in certain, then now this is the issue of peace - the company of peace everything is as usual with russians peace is war and the whole thing is upside down , everything is the other way around. they actually started it again and again there a couple of months ago. and i was at the general assembly in new york then, and i remember that everyone told us that some countries also said the lakes came up and said, look, we are frankly with you let's say we talk to russian diplomats and they tell us give us a way out give us the opportunity to save face we want peace
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talks for countries for society that are not deeply immersed in this conflict i.e. the leader is the ticket they think ukraine wants peace well russia is ready to stop and we are so bad and we don't want to go to peremovinit, that is, their goal was also written, it was for the euro, it was the countries of the global south , that is, with europeans, it's easier, they understand that everything has already been crossed and there are no red lines here the opportunity to talk with russia about peace and giving it the opportunity to seize and hold what they already occupied somewhere there, all the more so ukraine wins here if there are no doubts and the europeans understand our theses about values, so they are significant in the global world they are still people -e well, other, other interests, the geographical distance from the place of war still has an effect and people ask such questions, some diplomats told us, listen, this is your war, this is not ours, we need to get our grain
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on time. we do not want our people to starve ah-ah and we tell them that look well, it will be a huge precedent if we now let russia in and give them the opportunity to continue doing business as usual with other countries , civilized countries, then this will be a huge , serious, very dangerous signal for other authoritarian countries, so what? it turns out that it is possible and then the entire world order is what the representative of albania told us. he said that this war is absolutely uh, here it is clear who is who, who is the aggressor , who is the victim. you must win, otherwise the entire world order will change, which we are so difficult and carefully built up after the second world war, well, albania in general has a great position, they are such flagships representing the interests of ukraine yes but if we spoke now for the position of europe, they quite supported the opposition russian media, the same rain that has now been stripped of their licenses
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in lithuania and latvia, they need your position was to be trusted and was it fair to deprive them of their license absolutely fair you can’t trust i am against calling here and listening and listening in some way to good russians a-a i am surprised all all stories with good russians with the russian- russian opposition a few things first what fight did they choose instead of fighting against evil directly against the kremlin they are fighting for er admission of russians to the european union for renaming the conservatory in kyiv er that is against renaming well that is, their struggle is somehow completely strange because it absolutely does not overcome this evil, what is the source of the actual problem , that is, instead of waging a struggle on the territory of russia, they are fighting for some interests, but on
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the territories of europe come to europe and receive some kind of funding. they say that we are liberals, we are for the future of russia in a different format , and they are setting up such a warm place for themselves and working there little by little. i have been to many conferences where russians could be, and i always said that i will not speak on the same platform with the russians, but of course there are many such conferences where they still get their say and everywhere they repeat the same thesis as a mantra that no, no, not all of russia is like that, don't think, don't believe, it's only the top - it the kremlin and the government, all russians are afraid, they sacrificed, they sacrificed, as it were, war and this completely conflicts with this topic with the thesis that we promote that in fact it is the responsibility of all russians and they must answer when we already win, the russians must go through the eyes of the transformers
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through to atonement they have to go through certain programs a-a from reflection so that they made this question and this problem and this imperialism different. germany will always be in their heads. there are precedents and world experience, but if you recall the background immediately after krasovsky's words about the fact that the russian army is ours, he said that they were helping certain soldiers, the puzzle took shape when sobchak instantly reacted, she wrote me a wonderful bambitate story of her line from the rain of journalist alexey korostylov , i'm sorry, it's really hard to gather my thoughts, but i'll try, the tv channel fired one of the best journalists, and definitely the best presenter, well, the russians used this story with rain. look, you went to support the ukrainians and they deprived you of your license and did it and now in programs like ours they are discussing ah, what are you? ksenia sobchak - this is generally such a
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phenomenon, i don't know how it is possible to treat her as a liberal and even a journalist after she destroyed the russian opposition and it was absolutely technology and we know about these technologies, taking any zipso textbook, we know that it is necessary to destroy the opposition due to a change in the leader, it is necessary to remove one leader and introduce a fake leader, this is what happened and well i think that ksenia sobchak is just such an example of what a sovereign democracy looks like according to surkov and a good russian. well, i will just add very briefly that if we are still talking about the atonement of the russians and the responsibility of the russians for this war, then we must understand that
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europeans in the western world will not be able to understand all the nuances of russians in all these complexities, that is, if we are already promoting this thesis that it is not the kremlin and all of russia because they did not in any way fight against the kremlin, they only support this war well, it is not profitable for us as much as possible, and it is wrong from the point of view of ukraine to advocate for good russians , but here i would like to emphasize that not only advocate, but bring them here and give them the floor because when ukrainian state channels bring and include or simply include good russians this happens with taxpayers' money, but they say that when we take these good russians and join them, we can write fifty shades of russians, that is, we will analyze them. and they say that friends, well, we have to do russia as it would suit us in the future
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, we cannot leave them to our own devices, that's why we really take these good russians and make them into a future not a political force, but a future political letter of russia, which will treat the civilized world with understanding and will build such a russia which will not pose a threat to us and may be even more dangerous for us because, again, i keep repeating that the worst scenario for us is if now the russians quietly take putin away and put such a liberal type of medvedev of the late 2000s, because there is a great danger that the west will then open its arms. will continue to live there, but here i would say one more thing about the russians, what do you notice that they did not manage to form any movements, any
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opposition, they do not have a leader, who fought, who wrote something, there are individual journalists, there are shenderovets, what is it, but there is no movement and there is no vision of this russia of the future of the future that you are talking about, they are all sitting and waiting for something. someone is here, someone is in europe , they are holding their congresses there, they are collecting money, so white, white. the migration guard, first give us a picture of the russia of the future, and then we will say, do we want to be friends with you ? good russians or not because it is a cat in a bag we don't know, well now here we will include you on the air and give you access to all kinds of grants and then it turns out that the russia of the future is the same, only with a bow, you understand it was raining, yes the europeans have become enlightened and have begun to understand, listen and who are these and what are the europeans, the latvians have become enlightened, and
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germany, on the contrary, is protecting the boards so far and they say that maybe not everything is so clear-cut, that is, they cannot return to russia because they said such things that contradict they already talked about the article there, but you don’t allow them to work in europe, that is, how now, where will they emerge? now, what do you think? i think it will be all countries. this is how it turned out in germany, and i am not at all surprised by the position of a-a, in general, it is so interesting what now they have armed themselves, these russian liberals have armed themselves with the narrative promoted by russian propagandists even recently, do you remember when we had the medvedchuk channels here and they said that any attempt to suppress these channels is a fight against freedom of speech, so now that's exactly what the russians are saying led by the liberals, any attempt to limit their activities, even
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if they call on the air to support the russian army, this is all a struggle, they do not want to understand these nuances, that is, everyone must understand the nuances of the russians, and such fundamental things as such as information and here is everything they say and the values they promote here, they suggest us not to understand and how russian other liberal mass media reacted to the story as far as i know 60 e-e from the media e-e 60 representatives e-e russian media liberals signed an e-mail in support of the rain, among them novaya gazeta insider and many others who are very much loved by western countries who speak everywhere and repeat that we have created such a parallel reality for ourselves and settled not in of russia in europe, but uh, frankly, uh, waiting for
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something well, i watched the interview of the editor-in-chief of novaya gazeta muraevo, he frankly talks about e. muratov, i'm sorry, muraye, we remembered. that now zelenskyi has answered for this, this is the complete destruction of freedom of speech, and how did it end, yes, and muratov frankly says that i am forced to work in russia according to the rules dictated by the government, because it is important for me to preserve my editorial office and preserve the long-term the history of novaya gazeta and preserve the possibility to at least somehow convey the truth to the russians and but within the framework of the current restrictions, this is a compromise ukrainian can understand so why do you agree to this humiliating prescription that this material is written by a foreign agent they will force you to always add
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facebook is recognized terrorist or something, as they say there, and an organization on the territory of russia , at the same time, and you can always find such an excuse that you will already have a neck pain, but not a prolonged one, and you will say no anyway i still have the opportunity to speak and i still have my own audience, i can still reach it. you will be a hero , so among these liberal changes of good russians, you will be a hero who defends the interests of russia in the future, so what kind of vision do they have, but instead of using the opportunity to speak to a certain audience, to call on them to fight for the future of russia, they say that no, we are ready to endure, we are ready to attach some markers to ourselves, add prescriptions , then we will wear a mask, but for now we can breathe and saying this is still our opportunity to reach
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at least someone, but for the sake of justice , some ukrainian officials tuned in to the dozhd tv channel and gave comments, and because of this, such europeans got the impression that this is really a source of information, it can be trusted or not yes, absolutely, and there is another side here that if we communicate with them, we are included in their airwaves, and they are included in our airwaves, so in principle, well, there is this conflict, but it is not so deep at the time when we say no wait, we need to review everything, we need to review russification over the centuries, we need to review history, we need to review culture , well, that is, we need to have a very serious conversation before sitting down with them at the same table, in principle , that's why it is definitely there speaking in the european parliament or at some other conferences in the united states, yes, off-screen from ukrainian
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with international diplomats, they understand the complexity of building this system, yes, interaction , liberal snakes, good russians, bad russians, these comments about the search for peace, do they understand the complexity of the game? do they catch on? how did you say the thesis about peace with your ear and they say let's sit down and negotiate. because we need everything to be completed, it really depends on who you are talking to. if it is, for example, the baltic countries, then everyone understands who has ever encountered russia, who has had dealings with russia, they plus or minus understand the countries of the global cock, they don't understand central europe, they don't understand much easier if everyone has heard the word peace, there is a window for peace let's go on, we can really continue, let's go back to the way it was before, um, now, fortunately, the realization is coming that it will not be the way it was before. and now we hear more
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and more countries supporting a special international tribunal, this is extremely important because peace for us, three conditions are the return of all territories, er, it is er, the punishment of the guilty, including a special tribunal, it is compensation, that is, reparations for all these losses, and this fourth condition is the transformation of the russians themselves, they must understand that they were wrong, but in parallel, why another thesis on when they say that russia agrees to peace, but it demands a guarantee of its security. when i first heard this, i was shocked, i thought it was some kind of boulevard newspaper, but no, it is not at a high enough level, such thesis are heard and i i cannot understand how this thesis was formed at all some representatives of european diplomacy say that in these conditions, what kind of security guarantees does russia need, that is, we have putin - he is the main and
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main person in the world who is looking for peace, but he it is so scary that if he is not promised security, then he will fight. well, how it was formed, everyone uses the example of nazi germany, which was divided and controlled by different countries, and this is the analogy from there, although the situation with russia is completely different , you know, i know now too i was there again at a conference, and i realized that the biggest problem is that europeans have been consuming this expertise about russia for years from people who know nothing about russia and actually about ukraine, too. i have never been to ukraine, for example, but they they enter and tell how it should be, how it should be in ukraine, uh, and the same uh, they were, for example, in russia several times, they were circled there by the russian special services, they were good, they showed them yes, they showed them the best restaurants, they decided, that’s
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good, it’s russian. here and now they go around telling stories and this is a whole problem, we need to strengthen expertise in russia and export it otherwise, otherwise, all people will live in these illusions of theirs about the great russian culture and russian ballet, and this will close to them this real the reality that this is actually a country that has already turned into mold, i say we need to write a book on 50 shades of russians, i say who in the world is now becoming such an unspoken mouthpiece of this thesis that putin is actually a peacemaker, he is ready to end the war and what can we do to sit down at the negotiating table on the terms that we draw for ourselves, there is no such center yet, but this is what they are trying to push through the countries of the global level, there are a lot of nuances, this is africa and this is south america, well, that is, these are the countries where
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the russians actually have a lot of money, especially in africa, and where they have business relations and with whom it is difficult for us to talk because they know nothing about us, because we lost this region e for ukrainian diplomacy when we simply did not check at a high level levels, they pour money into the media, they translate the entire russian narrative into ukrainian. if you ask an average citizen, what do you know about the war? to discuss with you, in the early days we tried to reach the russians through social networks through instagram through facebook, but now if you write the word war in the bed, the russians will send you to the shadow bank, the coverage will automatically fall . the truth in the world, i filled out a video where krasovsky, a russian propagandist, says that ukrainian children
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should be burned and drowned in rivers, and i have zubanov on facebook for three weeks, and that's it in fact, now it's really a big problem to get a job after that. well, he was very sorry. he apologized a lot. it's one of the biggest problems right now, because it looks like the world. all these big-tac companies have surrendered all these monopolists. they're tired of the war. from this enmity from er and they consider it as er a certain fight against disinformation, well, that is, if we lower the coverage of those accounts that talk about the war, then we will fight allegedly with hates, well, that is, calls for hatred, and also with disinformation and it's that we really couldn't position her, actually, well, it feels like facebook wants us to
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really put down cats and food for ourselves in pieces in kherson, so, so that we, like, recently, i had a case when a european organization offered a ukrainian public organization to do research on gender inequality in the territories, that is, it is so far from reality and it turns out that these companies on social networks expect that we can somehow talk about something else besides what hurts us besides the war, and here we need to talk about the development of this dialogue at the level of the state and at the level of citizens, as you like , because it was easier 9 months ago, it was better, it was much easier, it was possible to write much more now, in the same way, i understand that will happen with twitter and twitter for us, this is an extremely important platform for communication with
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foreigners, first of all, especially with diplomats , journalists, leaders of public opinion, well , the majority of twitter here and now elon musk came and we do not know the end and brought a new team and we we don't know what will happen, we already see certain trends that may come back negatively for us, but europe will already think about blocking twitter on its territory, they will already think about it because of the rhetoric of the mask and it is not known how to control people's accounts and this is such a danger that the world will wake up and twitter already no, that is, if we can say that the informational and psychological special operations have reached a new level during these 10 months, on the 10th month of the war, yes, they have already moved beyond the borders of ukraine, they have partially moved to the territory russia and the eu are trying to implement themselves on global platforms to promote this thesis about peace, about feeding the hungry children of africa and
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about what is still necessary for ukraine, but i really liked your thesis that russia is already defending itself on its territory from propagandists who they are used to lying to an audience of millions, they are elected within their own country. that is, we are doing everything right, i think in a few weeks or months we will return to this topic once again, we will talk about how the concept has changed, but for now in part of the fact that we have switched to the counteroffensive and we are dictating to russia our related concept of psychological special operations, i like it, the propagandists' nerves got a little bit right disinformation, we should not quarrel with each other, it is very helpful if we do not quarrel and we have a focus and we know where our enemy is already in the 10th month of the war,
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we need to distinguish which channels to read and which not to although start with this night watch nataliya ostrovska evgeny plinsky love tsybulska was visiting with us see you on the air see you time of his ideas our story 300 years since the birthday of grigoriy skovoroda the war does not look at all like in the movies but a dirty, cold and terrible war smells like blood the war leaves its mark on everyone who has been there, remember it when you see a person in military uniform. this is what war looks like. her eyes are like that. remember the price. our
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heroes pay every day. we respect them. we thank them . we help them and we will definitely win. thanks to them, this is a story about his steel will and character hardened in the sacred fire. this is my story, cool sweat and hot tears, about a heart that remains alive, about a soul that was born, a free story of my earth, where a new destiny of an indomitable country is being forged. metal in my hands and in the bodies of my enemies in the voice that promises us victory together we make this world stronger ukrainians a nation of steel
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