the pope's information, moreover, he often voiced the information that he received from that environment. what circle of him was it necessary to say that the ukrainians for a longer time, for example, held their own to weaken the question, so now we already have uh, for a longer time there was a problem with communications at that time instead of russian the representation of the vatican vitaliy worked extremely powerfully and now it works probably more powerfully than in many countries of europe and the world, and in fact, first of all, it is propaganda, it is the imposition of the so-called dostoevshchyna, that is, such humane, good russians , which shows more that she simply did not read there at all. they have absolutely no idea about russians, and the more information the pope receives in recent months, the more we see how much he leans towards the ukrainian position, but what is interesting in fact, i have been in this field for more than 20 years, and i have never seen a pontiff speak on ukrainian

topics every day or several times a week, that is, this topic is constantly on his mind. he goes somewhere. he talks about ukraine. er, he meets some other graduates of some countries, he talks about ukraine, that is, how often does it actually sound like life? - and politicians and church figures who , until recently, voiced and probably will continue to voice certain such outspoken kremlin secretaries and about the necessary peace about the fact that there is no need to provide weapons to the ukrainians for protection that it is necessary to force them to peace and so on. and so on , that is, what was most beneficial to the kremlin at the moment, well , it is interesting that this operation of the nazis' rearguard had all the signs of ethnic genocide, that is, genocide based on the national identity of the jews, roma, first of all, this russian-ukrainian war. what do you think ? do you think

it will one day be evaluated by the world public or perhaps by the catholic church as an act of genocide against ukrainians already now? the pope is already talking about it. this is not the first time he compares what is happening in ukraine with genocide and in particular when it was on the eve of the commemoration of the holodomor, he also mentioned comparing the holodomor organized by stalin, not some kind of natural famine, that is, the holodomor, that is, the actions organized against ukrainians, he compared it with what russia is currently doing against ukrainians, and that it is important to say that this has always been the case with vatican diplomacy that you tried to be like that outside of the conflict, they tried to be the one who gives the last chance for understanding and they did not clearly call each time the aggressor, yes, and in the last month we see these comparisons, they clearly point out that russia is the aggressor and that russia is committing genocide against ukrainians. this is not the first time this has been

mentioned. well, i will add, according to the materials of the security service of ukraine, a priest of the ukrainian orthodox church of the russian orthodox church was sentenced to 12 years in prison . detained and now condemned surrendered the positions of the armed forces of ukraine, the number of placements , the number of placements, the number of placements, the number of placements, the number of placements, the number of placements, the number of placements, the number of placements, the number of placements, the number of placements, the number of placements, the number of soldiers of the ukrainian armed forces, the number of placements, the number of soldiers who were detained, they were detained and now they were detained and now they were sentenced. recent sbu searches in the churches of the moscow patriarchate, mr. taras, what is the information and what will the results be? well, let's remember his last name. there is a specific person . during the visit of the sbu to

various institutions of the moscow patriarchate, there is information that they find something there, well, first of all, it is easy to find ordinary, diverse literature that was purely published in russia or was published in ukraine, but it is all about the propaganda of the russian world, the propaganda of the trinity of holy russia, the so-called that we are all one people, we should be together, that is, what is included in the propaganda package of the russian world, what is included in the propaganda package it is a combination of ecclesiastical and political neo-imperial. that is , all this has always been and cannot be found in different churches, different monasteries and parties, well , just the patriarchate in ukraine and how they didn’t change their names there, how they didn’t call themselves there, but these dark people, this is propaganda, it is and will be. i really look at it, and it seems to me that they have already begun to understand that this is more serious, and if the services would surely record less of such direct

evidence, the only thing that can be hoped for is that it will be exposed somewhere er, what other information is there, because in fact it is enough to read and listen to what is being said on social networks. and now they are going crazy with the mobilization of forces , dark men are being sent. accounts, but they spread monotonous materials, uh, they tell fables. and at the same time, when in various regions, in particular, in central ukraine, that is, in places where the moscow patriarchate had the greatest influence, they record well, let's not covertly say that uh, pro-russian, pro-russian worldview seems in the cherkasy region to have seen information about the fact that communication with the priests of the ptu and the moscow patriarchate was mentioned by the moscow patriarchate, and you are not afraid that

the russians will come. so this means that they are expecting i.e. to intimidate representatives of the national security service with the fact that russians may enter the cherkasy region well, i don't know , it's completely losing orientation in what is happening around the highway. what do you think will end up? here is this company announced by the authorities regarding the ban of the russian church. there is already a ready bill, but it is from the opposition forces, so the authorities are in no hurry to adopt it, they are trying to write their own, but it will take time, how long will it take, and will the church be banned, and we have already said no i remember which one with whom from our experts that the ban can apply only to specific religious communities , you can't ban the entire rpc can it be taken away because it doesn't exist, it doesn't exist as a single legal entity, there are more than 13,000 different

religious organizations of the type e- religious communities, such as parishes, monasteries, administrations, etc., some brotherhoods, that is, there is a huge number of these legal entities, it will not work to ban them with one lock, plus the fact that well, in fact, accordingly , all legislation must be changed very significantly, because in general it is impossible to ban any religious organizations. it is impossible to ban. only the court can do that. you can imagine how long the court will consider the issue of all these already existing lawsuits or something else that may be. well, in fact, it will be very difficult, but how i have one more problem, which i constantly talk about, that we can ban in the style or something similar, as at one time in the soviet union, the nkvd, together with the same moscow patriarchate, fought against the greek catholics, that is, ban the existence of

legal entities, ban the existence of official existence, but at the same time we get a huge underground force, which in fact will not even be completely underground, it will be too large, too numerous. and the worst thing is that now you know too strongly mobilized, that is, in fact, even in this information that comes to the sbu, even about very, as it were, for them, this propaganda of the russian world is not a crime for them, they are all about it, yes , that is, for them it is normal, we can somehow say it is correct. yes, but even this information about various immoral things that are happening in this environment for some reason it doesn't change them, they say it's all untrue, that it's not you, that is, we understand that there is a huge number of people, it's probably millions of people who are under very strong propaganda and very strong informational influence and if we don't try to convince them if not to actually fight those means of influence and those who exert that influence, even after legally banning

this organization we will get an honest number of people from mobilized people in the underground. that is, it is not really a joke of taras, well, there is still a wave of decisions local councils to the extent that they can contribute to this process because the verkhovna rada has not yet passed a decision banning the moscow patriarchate, even though it has already been 10 months into the war. for example , the sumy council has passed a decision banning they can ban they appeal to the president there to the verkhovna rada to ban all structural subdivisions of the moscow patriarchate and related organizations, the decisions of local councils can be helpful here and what to do on the ground when the verkhovna rada well, passes the law, and there are churches in villages, cities, towns. well, of course, these are declarations, these are appeals, they have no direct effect, that is, you can’t take anything conditionally, for example. of the regional council and that someone

will go and close the churches on which the basis is in- they have a huge number of different lawyers, a huge influence and also attack the judicial system, as we can see, many hands are blocking the implementation of the law on renaming this church, by the way, this law it should have been operating since the end of the 18th year, but it was not, but i don’t know if one community was renamed, and this would be the biggest, probably one of the biggest blows to this structure, because it would be forced to deregister itself or to change to the russian orthodox church in ukraine, this is actually one of the best decisions that have been proposed in recent years and it is already a law , nothing new is needed. yes, but on the other hand, all these declarations that are on the ground, they only show the general opinion, the general opinion and they to a certain extent, they influence there. it is possible for the year of decision-making in the central bodies, but they do not have any under them. it is not possible in any way . in practice, these are just declarations. this is a desire

, and on the ground they could certainly do much more, in particular, without financing, for example, how is this in odesa, it is funded. i don't know how it is now at this moment, but until recently, the communal expenses of the moscow patriarchate were financed, break up, look for and there are grounds for breaking contracts for the lease of church or some other premises. well, even the lavra itself who are you, pochaivska, how much was built, how many journalists showed the facts, what was destroyed or built new, or something else was done that contradicts the treaties and what is superior to us is not even the requirements for unesco from unesco or at the end of others, that is, in fact, there is moments when on the ground it is possible to go from empty declarations to the fulfillment of er duties, that is, in particular, that these organizations are already

under some pressure not says that to force them conditionally to accept the new calendar, yes, the community has the right to force its er its church in the village to move correctly by the number of signatures on the stands and the father or there whom any coercion is not effective does not bring about the cases when i move there they do not move to the village, they are divided, we still need to look at this point of view, who will benefit if we have many internal conflicts, if we have a delay in certain processes, and so this constant internal struggle is surely an enemy, and that is why if to do everything must be done exclusively legally and correctly, calmly without, uh, excessive political pressure, we understand that politicians are not allowed to do something useful, let's spread the word and fight. yes, at the level of conflicts, that's why everything should be done so that there is a positive result, and not just such how shall we say populism, taras

, in general, what fate awaits the russian orthodox church, after all, it is, well, relatively , so to speak, legitimate in the entire world orthodoxy, it maintains some kind of relationship between the serbian orthodox church there and the bulgarian in greek, they have long-standing relations with the belarusian orthodox church. but in essence, they are such an orthodox taliban that it does not prevent them from being. well, maty still has a certain, although relatively, world legitimacy, er, sometimes we think that everyone sees what we see is actually, well , the belarusian church as such does not exist at all, it is even less of an independent structure than the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, in fact, the relations of the russian church in the world are quite powerful e-e as well let's say so they take

to play the role of bad and good there put a policeman that is for a certain part of the world there are conditionally good e-e russian orthodox e are e also e-e relationships long relationships duration relationships funny relationships for example there in the service church with other churches do not have such good relations everywhere, for example, the jerusalem church can even receive a lot of funding from russia for centuries with its own hands, so it is influenced by russian monks and agents of influence and so on and so on and that is why they will be in jerusalem powerful eh and will be eh never will let’s say so sow the seeds for the aggravation of relations, it is israel because it is interested in having its representations there instead, for example with the same greeks relations with the bulgarian church, which was always considered pro-russian due to the fact that the bulgarians

considered it so pro-russian. so now there are by far the best relations there, and at the level of government officials , the highest in the direction of patriarch kirill in previous years began to make very direct accusations that he is a kagabist and so on. there is a polish church that is under great influence , but in the midst of this church there is well, first of all, it is not made up of russians, it is made up of ukrainians and belarusians, and there may be some poles, but the leadership of this church is under the direct influence of moscow, there is a similar situation in the czech church, where the church of the orthodox church of the czech republic has also seen quite large influences and there are certain influences on the georgian church and, in fact, with many others. well, there is also the andruhit church in syria but with many other churches, in particular, with the alexandrian or kostopol church, they have very tense relations, uh, questions about which are also uh, difficult, because there are a large

number of their agents and businesses, and on the other hand, cypriot patriots are also greeks, so they are not everywhere they have such good relations, but their diplomacy works perfectly, that is, sometimes their propaganda, their diplomats work better than their army. thank you very much, mr. taras . to our guest about this very religious matter, well , it's really a very difficult question because, well, we've been hearing this for a long time that we need to be balanced calmly, but as a result, we have the same priests who direct enemy fire on the cities and then sing the e-e sacrifices of this aggression, that is, aggression is valued, yes, they are in this propaganda of asa, it is clear that lies in propaganda are therefore very difficult to distinguish, especially for people who are used to thinking that the church is something holy and there can be nothing bad in the church, and father it is there god is very

it is difficult to distinguish all of this serhii zgurits is already with us about the military moments, we will all try to talk and explain them in detail, we congratulate you, let's change the signature - this is serhii zgurits - this is a military expert, the head of defense with express , congratulations, mr. serhiy mykhailovych good morning, good health, what in our operational situation. please tell us. the institute for the study of war, we constantly read it and quote it, says that putin is most likely set on a protracted war in ukraine, and he himself says that there are already 150,000 mobilized in ukraine are no longer needed, in fact, the conclusions of the institute of war studies state that putin is determined for a long war, actually. there is nothing new, because we understand that the political goals of the aggressor, which he declares according to putin , have not changed. to achieve that ukraine ceases to exist as an independent

state, and the ukrainians were destroyed as a nation in fact. the enemy continues to pursue these two main goals, but we understand that now the enemy's real opportunities to achieve these goals are significantly less than that testifies to the action of the ukrainian army and now actually all these stories of putin about the war becoming long and so on. these are actually measures aimed at the formation of a new ideology within the russian federation itself in order to turn this campaign there from a short-term special company into such a sacred war for the great national now all these statements all these fathers eh what we talked about yesterday about the line of defense bigboards eh ideological changes in approaches to the formation of the russian national

to use the war as, on the one hand, a factor in the stabilization of the current government, and on the other hand, somehow, i have to take the risk and related to the collapse of this discreption, which did not happen, if i think that, in principle, all this fits into the classics, there is nothing critically new for us in addition to the fact that we really have to draw conclusions that it is important not to allow pressure on the reduction of pressure on the russian army during the winter period, where despite putin's talk about a prolonged war, they still want to achieve certain victories, it is important for us to use the winter period, so that there were no such victories at all, so that they could once again strike against any myths that the russian federation is now trying to form, and as for real strikes, they are organizing terrodefense on their border territories, for what purpose do they

really allow an invasion from ukraine? do they want to form there some patriotic sentiments and the sword is more likely the second because it is precisely now that we will see many such components of e in the pedagogical field of the russian federation in order to somehow try to unite e-e russian society around the idea of ​​such a holy war is this this thesis, now i think it is possible for the kremlin in order to somehow strengthen society and minimize risks for the authorities from the point of view that in the long term negative trends in russia will increase, such an ideological message must now be formed which minimizes all these risks and now all these stories with defense lines actually fit into this concept about sevastopol, the latest information this morning in the temporarily occupied sevastopol is loud and working

air defense reported local tv channels in sevastopol loud only that in the area of ​​5 km air defense was working sound as if shot down according to the information from the subscriber at 6:50 something glowing was flying and then caught up shots were falling sparks are obviously also taking place some kind of special operation over the temporarily occupied sevastop this morning p sergey, is there any systematicity in the ukrainian attacks or drones or something? well, yesterday we talked about missiles, unmanned aircraft, what was it called a swift, and you called another one, which mood is similar. the systematic nature of all attacks today sevastopol the day before kursk the day before engels er airfields and military facilities deep in the territory of russia, well, we won’t penetrate it, it’s just the prostatator region, please, really, we ’re talking about the systematic nature of such er attacks, we’re talking about what is currently under attack is

primarily lithuania, where russian bombers are located, which are actually used for e-e attacks on ukraine with the use of cruise missiles. there is the course of the english thrust and it is directly related to this russian military power which after strikes in drones or missile systems we do not know for sure, although theoretically we still lean towards the idea that it is about the use of precisely these deeply modernized jet drones of the flight and swift type, they are significantly influenced the e-e that russia has now lost a conditional, so to speak, significant optimism that these bombers and airfields are protected, these strikes showed the inability of the russian

native right to defend its critically important objects. and when we talk about the situation with crimea , sevastopol, there was information yesterday that there were some previous er attacks on these er objects, er there were messages to the russian public. now we see that this story continues. i think that we still get a positive result, which is aimed at reducing the power of the russians in crimea. how did this happen? by the way, the destruction of nine planes at the airfield in nova fedorivka was the first sign that ukraine can deliver strikes deep into the territory occupied by the enemy or in russian territory precisely at the objects of military infrastructure - infrastructure that threatens the interests of ukraine , but now the mood is not the same. quickly relocated to murmansk or to murmansk they

call the region of russia to the north in order to increase well, so to speak, the distance to them there is more than a thousand kilometers and the rest is true yes, i saw the information, too, but i think there are nuances here, in fact, only the airfield of wengelsia tyageleva is the most prepared for the maintenance of these strategic aircraft, these are the two main bases, they are tied to a significant amount of technical equipment, which is responsible for these complex aircraft and trained personnel which requires maintenance for these planes, and in fact, when such planes are quickly removed to some other site several hundreds of kilometers from the english airfields , this is actually a temporary measure and it is actually not a sign that russia is maintaining its efficiency in the use of its strike bombers, because it is very

difficult to service the planes in these areas where they took off, they will still return to the english digeleva, we just have to wait for a good moment when they will be a significant amount has been collected again. and why do we think the weather conditions are there? frost in the normandy region or what exactly is the complexity of it? it is impossible to service it. it is remote on remote bases and such because all the technical personnel who are trained personnel and all the equipment is located in diaheliovo and the agency, this means that it is necessary to spend a month in order to redeploy everything to another border. i think that russia will not do this, it will try to strengthen the beer around the thrust of hever and engels and return the plane, it is clear p serhii also read one interesting thing yesterday that this blow and the poet below and the babysitter could have been carried out in combination with these soviet systems e-e reys and strijh

and the newest, possibly artisanal, some kind of things reworked, but also the newest ukrainian drones, about the development of which up to 1,000 km were told by the heads of ukroboronprom throughout the summer, and finally we waited. was it such a test? is it already a combat test ? what can we see ukrainian own unmanned drone with a range of up to 1,000 km developed and manufactured now in the conditions of war in ukraine please uh-uh there is such a version but it has nothing to do with uh-uh project what uh-uh declares ukroboronprom, because in fact it is a drone that is not equipped with a jet engine, but a different type of

engine . additional tanks can have a range of a thousand kilometers or more, such a project is actually not critical to implement, it is not difficult to reassess in view of these developments on this rocket itself. so i rather believe updated options or flights and surveillance modernized or up to working hours because the bottomless in cooperonprom is too multifunctional, it is both shock and reconnaissance and so on. dyagelev, i just look at the map and estimate that we will be able to reach almost to moscow then, well, the distance is approximately the same, no,

but we are talking about the requirements of the rules of warfare and when we carry out strikes directly at the airfield where the military planes that threaten ukraine are located - this fits into the concept of launching a war. where it falls under the punishment of the international tribunal and we will not do so, we will destroy military objects on the territory of the enemy, increasing the efficiency and accuracy of the destruction of these or others airplanes and rocket launchers on the territory of ukraine, and we will understand that there are many military facilities around moscow, that's what i mean, that's how you take

the facilities that bother us the most when we destroy the bombers, reducing the potential of a missile attack on ukraine - it's cool, in fact, it's just spending strike complexes to destroy military targets indirectly, it makes no sense, but sergey danilov said that in the spring, it will all end in luhansk, donetsk and sevastopol, and of course with the liberation of these cities. what do you think? such forecasts well, of course, we want to have optimistic forecasts about what danilov is talking about. but i think that the hostilities will last much longer than danilov predicts, despite the fact that he expressed it in such a sufficiently figurative format without clear connections between the images and the components says that in the spring we expect victory, but i think that in the spring we will just begin the most active phase of hostilities, and now all efforts are concentrated

, concentrated on our side and preserved by the current momentum of offensive preparations of reserves and readiness already eh after the spring , more powerful companies will begin the liberation of our territory. he said that it will end with the ukrainian spring, he said that on december 6, 19, the winter campaign of the unr army began on december 6, 22, it continued and will end with the ukrainian spring in the liberated sevastopol to donetsk luhansk here is a commercial quote that will last much longer and how much longer. well, when president zelensky visited, he was released for 10 seconds, please. we want this to end as soon as possible . faster, but we will have to work hard for this, where serhiy zgurets, military expert 9:00 a.m. minute of silence for all ukrainians killed by russians