the students were simply called and told to come, and they came to their universities there, and they were sent to the front, and there were more than three thousand of them. and now they were actually demobilized, so to speak, at the request of their mothers, and some of them were imposed on them right away without even explaining the contracts, i.e. people did not know what they were signing, and they are talking about it again in a matter-of- fact way, well, that is, part of these students were sent to the front again, but already as a contract. you such facts are known about those illegally mobilized in ukrainian temporarily occupied territories, well, are there such people captured by the armed forces of ukraine, well, there are a lot of such people, and our special services provide a lot of video footage of interrogations of such people, who say that they are simply used as meat, thrown to the front, and of course that those people,

trying to survive, simply surrender to the ukrainian troops. although it is very difficult, of course, because the russians are behind, or these chechens in general, yes. and it is better ahead, who do not always understand. a special operation, some kind of sabotage, and therefore well, the fate of these people is really not always, let's say so. thank you very much, mr. serhiy, for all the time serhiy garmash , journalists, the analyst just returned from donbas, they talked about what he saw there. well, in fact, apocalyptic terrible pictures of villages that simply do not exist anymore are not there no people, no houses, nothing, this is complete destruction. we go further and add tetyana ignatchenko, this is the spokeswoman of the donetsk regional military administration, ms. tetyana, we congratulate you good morning good morning glory to ukraine yaka

the situation in the regions of donetsk is generally operational , let's start with this, you know the situation in our country , unfortunately, traditionally dangerous, traditionally acute and tense, and for yesterday we have a very large number of dead and wounded nine people in donetsk, the russians killed 15 people yesterday were wounded the most powerful blow the occupiers inflicted on er kurakhov er they covered the front with artillery fire literally in the middle of the place there the market and the bus station were hit by wagons, so we immediately have six dead civilians only in in addition, the occupiers fired gunshots at civilians in a targeted manner, and in the lyman community there they hit the e-e point where humanitarian aid was given, they also literally hit the center of the village , and accordingly we understand that the danger remains

because the hostilities along this demarcation line did not stop during the night. and already in the morning we have a significant amount of shelling, in particular , the hottest now in avdiivka, in avdiivka, since 8:00 in the morning, there have already been reports of three artillery shells, but at nine o'clock in the morning, it had already arrived information about the fact that avdiyivka is being shelled and machines are being fired upon by tetiana. please tell me more details about the shelling of kurakhovo. there were eight dead, you said. yes, in the president's office, six dead civilians and eight wounded, eight wounded , six civilians - this is only in kurakhovo. about the destruction, we can say that wherever the projectiles hit, this is a complete destruction, we are talking primarily about the market, it is actually not left. so we are talking about the bus station, there is a small bus station

uh, and also terrible destruction of buildings, in addition, housing, the residential sector also suffered significant damage, more than a dozen residential buildings were damaged. and about the market, and they fired from it what kind of weapon it was, it is already known according to preliminary information that it could be artillery of 152 caliber, but this is not accurate information, we will wait for the conclusions of the experts, i will say that you know kurakhovo turned into such a hot spot and the occupiers have been shelling for more than a day, but mostly it was usually about rocket strikes, and we know that kurakhove is such a very important point in terms

of infrastructure and logistics for the donetsk region, so the occupiers know where they are shooting they purposefully harm civilians, mrs. tetyana, but they are shelling not only kurakhovo, but i will once again quote denys kazansky, maybe we will show my videos, the russians are also shelling donetsk on the sixth december, in particular, that is, the day before yesterday, there was a serious shelling of donetsk. it is already known, well, at least the day before, there were seven dead. the etasists are shelling the city from the side of the temporarily occupied makiivka, writes denys, but at the same time they continue to claim that it is the armed forces who are shelling uh, but no one believes them, because the local residents who themselves see such sides of residential buildings from the makiivka side, here are the results of this attack, what denys writes about the shelling of donetsk clearly and without options, a blow from the side makiivka, a direct hit to the eastern facade of the house on the

street of the 50s of the ussr is such an approach from the side of the ukrainian positions in avdiivka or in avdiivka or marinka is excluded and every resident of donetsk sees and understands this. russian propagandists, how did it happen in donetsk itself and about the victims of shelling in occupied donetsk. what do you know? do you know, in general, that people in the occupied territory are subjected to real terror and psychological and physical terror, because you know, even analyzing the situation here in the free part of ukrainian donetsk region, i can say that the situation has changed over the past 8 years of war. during the

shelling, you could hear the most common opinion from the locals that we don't know where we are shooting from. that is, it was difficult for people psychologically, let's say that russia, which they considered a friendly country can fire at them, but now this opinion has simply changed radically, people have really accepted the terrible truth that russia is at war and russia is aiming at the destruction of the civilian population, i assume knowing, again, analyzing the situation well, there in the occupied territories that people are not just tired of it you already know the extreme point of moral fatigue and, accordingly, the reaction to the occupying power to its actions, accordingly, the propagandists on the russian side from the so-called these quasi-formations of the generals they work everything in order to put as much pressure on the civilian population as possible, to mobilize them in some way. i do not

know the opposition of the language of ukraine or there is hatred for ukraine, because you know that they have extremely difficult things with mobilization. occupied territories is really difficult both morally, militarily and humanitarianly, well, one more lukashenko kirill of the season writes about the fact that in russia, in russia, he writes, the cold summer of 53 is coming , well, that was the famous soviet film about that how in the 53rd year, after stalin died , a very large number of prisoners were released from russian prisons, well, soviet prisons and camps, there was an amnesty, and then how these prisoners worsened the criminal situation, and he writes in view of the fact that he is fighting in the russian army there are a lot of convicts who were recruited through wagner's chvk wagner and here is the latest information that a whole unit of 20 people with weapons deserted from yasinuvati well, the day before in the rostov region of novoshikhtyn, one of these wagnerites was caught in former convicts, he was sitting somewhere far away

in ufa, on the territory of the russian federation, with some machine gun he ran away with love and already managed to get to novoshakhtyrsk, it's time to wound. well, don't kill , but it must be admitted that he shot badly. the shooter was bad. two policemen caught him. how common is it now, the desertion of ex -convicts? well, 20 people from yasinuvaya the front fled with weapons, well, it's almost half a year, relatively speaking, please. well, actually, it's hard for me to talk about what kind of criminal situation there is, which in the occupied territory i don't specialize in yes, but analyzing the situation here, again analyzing the message from the same general staff that, in particular, near bakhmut, units are really fighting, including the wagnerites, mainly the wagnerites and their losses speak for themselves, that is russia is really succeeding russia

is not dpr lpr not there quasi formations, these are already resorting to the last act, you know, which is called action, that is, they throw into battle those people who have absolutely nothing to lose, realizing that behind their shoulders are these blocking eyes eh squads and understanding that these people have absolutely no choice but to die in battle or be executed by their own demoralization is absolutely complete in russia and in the territories occupied by it mrs. tatiana here oleksiy danilov well, he congratulated the holiday, he said so figuratively, but all the same after all, he said that the armed forces of ukraine will be in sevastopol, donetsk and luhansk . how did the people of donetsk region perceive this information? well, of course, we always want to believe in the best and, as usual, we believe in our armed forces of ukraine, but

actually, in donetsk region, people are now concentrating as much as possible on surviving this winter in peace, children of truth, and since the situation of people, especially in the front-line zone, is extremely difficult, we are trying to evacuate as much as possible, and of course we believe in victory, we believe that everything will be fine ukraine will return all our territories tetyana noch what serhiy garmash showed on his page, there is this video, it's just completely destroyed villages there are no longer any houses or people, where are these people from, there is such a terrible statistic, how many settlements in principle, i will say that the russians destroy not only small villages, they destroy those cities, and the example of mariupol, the example of volnovakha, the example of avdiyivka, krasnohorivka has such, i will name only one

figure, a very approximate figure, this is what we managed to document, as of now, only houses in residential buildings only in donetsk region, in the territory that we can analyze, more than 84,000 were destroyed, but just think about what this figure is and what kind of reconstruction awaits us, in fact, wherever russian weapons reach, everything turns to ashes. to the normal understanding of this word, the content or settlements of those that i have already named from mariupol to avdiyivka, it actually no longer exists, now the city of bakhmut is turning into the same ruins, it has withstood an insane amount of shelling for a few months now, and you know , the rashists just don't seem to stop until not where they destroy everything to the bone or until the armed forces of

ukraine throw them back. on the air, tetyana ignatchenko, spokeswoman for the donetsk regional military administration, encouraging information from our native state special communications in the event of a blackout, the national telethon and five more radio companies that produce their own will have the opportunity to work for at least three more days , mobile operators must also ensure the ability to provide communication within three today, the head of the state special communications and information protection service, yuriy shchegoev, announced this on the telethon aired by five radio companies in ukraine today are reserved with a term of operation of up to three days, as well as television channels, the telethon is also reserved, the signal supply for three days further depends on the delivery of fuel, television and radio will work in us, they work in the medium wave, ukrainian radio works fm radio stations where in the range where you can hear i will finish the information. well, the only thing that i know for sure here in irpen

is that when the light goes out, the mobile connection also goes immediately, that is, without a complete blackout, they are looking for an opportunity to keep the mobile connection for three days operators must also ensure the possibility of providing communications for three days. well, we need to look for good old wired telephones, maybe some of you do not remember what this is, representatives of the younger generation, and we really wanted our children not to know who lenin was, to never see a memory you know, you need to know about the crimes of stalin and about this murderous ideology that they carried to the masses, you need to know the history and you need to respect the real heroes, and today we already talked about decommunization and mentioned the year 2014 this day in kyiv, during the euromaidan rally, a monument to lenin on bessarabia was toppled, and this was

the beginning of the so-called fall of deer already in this maidan period and the 13th year of the 114th . supported and in principle continued in all regions and cities, let 's remember it, see the plot and then discuss it with a historian. on december 8, 2013, one of the most massive rallies in the history of ukraine took place to protest against the beating of students and the regime yanukovych on the streets of kyiv. up to a million people came out in the evening. part of the protesters went to bessarabia square, where they toppled the main monument to lenin in ukraine. the monument, which stood in the center of

kyiv for almost 70 years, was toppled spontaneously. out of sense, self-made society after the victory of the euromaidan in february 2014, the lenin fall spread throughout the country, in the regions, monuments to lenin and other bolsheviks began to be spontaneously knocked down activists on april 9, 2015, the verkhovna rada adopted a package of decommunization measures, they banned soviet and nazi symbols and officially obliged to dismantle monuments and change numerous toponymic names related to the communist regime, the main engine of decommunization became the institute of national memory in two years almost two and a half thousand bolshevik monuments were removed, almost a thousand settlements and more than 50,000 streets were renamed, and the process of decommunization took on the features of decolonization when we talk about decolonization

we mean, first of all, getting rid of the imperial legacy that can be used to restore the empire. that is, we are clearly talking about the aggressor country, about russia, which uses its imperial past in order to restore its influence on ukraine after february 24. the decolonization of ukraine received a new impetus as a result after lenin, they began to dismantle monuments with numerous symbols of the empire to catherine suvorov pushkin and other figures, because these monuments are an obvious symbol of russian claims to ukrainian lands. oleksandr zinchenko, together with us, the historian was a forester. we congratulate you, oleksandr. it’s just a hypothetical question in view of the this story is ours and if it weren’t for the euromaidan and if it weren’t for the activists of the svoboda party, how long do you think lenin was still standing on basarabka in those 70 years? i

just stood there on the same day when he was buried , i remember. well, oleg tyagnibok said that it was a sad suicide. and vitaliy klitschko said, it seems , in an interview with a russian raincoat. well, he says that they accepted me as pioneers there. of our personal history, that is, the attitude was different towards this monument. i thought that it would have stood there for several decades. and you are asking, well, honestly, i would like to disagree with what was said in the introduction to the plot, well, decommunization did not start in 2013, but much later before, the first monument to lenin that was toppled was dismantled, after all, it was still 1990 that the soviet union did not disintegrate, this is lviv oblast, this is chervonograd, that is, and then it started again a year later, during the year before the collapse of the soviet union, monuments to lenin did not became in many many cities, including in regional centers, in lviv, for example, in

other words of the father, decommunization. this is the first wave of decommunization. it took away a huge number of these idols from the territory, first of all, in halychyna and volhynia, and if we looked for example , on the map where lenina streets are marked in 2009, dashed in 2012, we saw that there is a border between where there are many streets of members and where there are practically no lenina streets. this border runs along the old border along the old border between the ussr in staro border of the ussr, and in other words, this process was already taking place, and the discussion about what to do with all these monuments was again in kyiv, in the capital, the monument to lenin, which stood on the square on the then october square, was dismantled after the declaration of independence in the end august at the beginning of september 1991, that is, this process

was taking place. the only question is whether the monument to lenin on bessarabia would have stood there for another couple of years. well , it would have stood there for another couple of years. this, again, did not change anything at all, because the processes that took place in the form of decommunization, this spontaneous decommunization, they were a reflection of certain moods, that is, society, public moods changed, there was a need for decommunization . previously, a large part of society, i do not say that in the majority, but for a large part of society, it was mykola much earlier and, in fact, yanukovych’s government and the government let's say the post-communists, let's call them that, they tried to somehow turn the course of history in the opposite direction from where this wind of history was blowing in the end well, this is the result ended with what ended. i am here

to justify the processes that preceded the fall of this monument in the nebe arab square, but if we recall again the period when the president of ukraine was viktor yushchenko. implemented already after the declaration of dignity after the maidan after the euromaidan, these were the first measures they tried to implement back in 2007-2008-2009, then again we could see a certain sabotage, but again we see that even then, a large part of society wanted these changes, there was a serious discussion of this whole topic, which is now becoming mainstream , then it very often, very slowly, entered the public dis course, i.e. again the recognition of

the genocide of the holodomor. i want to remind you that in 2008, when this the initiative arose well, not so much, the majority of ukrainian society believed in it and considered it necessary, moreover, many shouted why are you dividing people, why are you dividing the people and so on and so on and so on the comparison between the soldiers of the ukrainian insurgent army and the red army of the soviet army was also controversial at the time. i want to remind you that even in 2015, for example, stepan bandera was positively evaluated by as many as 12, according to some studies, and as many as 15, according to other studies . i.e. brezhnev was more popular even in 2015, i think that it should be recalled in other words. i want to say that when yanukovych appeared on the political horizon

as such a big dark spot, he played a role catalyst for all these moods, that is, again, i am one of those who were the founders of the most popular portal site about the ukrainian past, historical truth. i just clearly remember why we organized it then. but it was er in 2010, the act informational resistance to what was done by yanukovych and his entourage in historical politics in the politics of memory and uh, it was a challenge for us, not only for us, obviously, i just wanted a little more about the inertia of the capital authorities, you know the year 91, you mentioned about that lenin who was announced independence, and i don’t even know if it was a decision. maybe even the local kyiv government was the kyiv city council. the kyiv city council immediately decided to demolish this deer with its

jackhammers . the authorities still have a monument to mykola everywhere in bessarabia, we still haven't installed it in nine years. well, what can't be done for 9-9 in the decade that has passed, we haven't installed any new monument here or there, or we haven't received any no no no they removed this pedestal on which lenin is still written. well, how much longer can it take to talk about the inertness of the authorities? back then, the city authorities were decisive. now, they are much less decisive. in some other units to measure the determination or lack of determination of some authority or local or central e-e in relation to everything, the situation is completely clear, that is, it is completely covered by the law on e-e decommunization and it is really unclear why there are so many delays with this particular monument, i will say because the shadow is beautiful, because the horse is beautiful, you understand. here is

the explanation, everything is simple, period, this is a beautiful horse, many beautiful monuments were made in the soviet union, it may sound controversial for some, but it was so, it was absolutely not prevented, again, these monuments were sent to museums and sent to some points stationary storage in order to build some kind of all-ukrainian leninland and what is the option of some kind of museum of reinterpretation of our totalitarian past, let's call it that, that's why about the apple of a specific city mayor, just put it against the wall and say, exaggeration, please explain why do you like this beautiful horse so much, they accepted it, for example, or in october, so about excuse me, about postuman and lenin, here, by the way , is an interesting moment there are mass-motivational practices that are considered to be role models for the european

cultural space, so that is, when it happened to me at six o'clock with pennies. on this day in the 13th year, this fall of lenin, it didn't terribly remind me of these shots stylistically they look like the fall of the berlin wall, and i must tell you that they have approximately the same meaning, that is, it is a symbolic act, it looked absolutely fantastic, i actually realized that a revolution had begun, that it was not just some riot, that it was not just some uprising that after that it will not dissipate, that after that there will be radical, big, very serious, very tragic changes in the history of ukraine, that is, the fall of this statue just pushed me to these thoughts and the fall of the berlin wall, which had a similar a symbolic expression, let's say it like this, and parts of this berlin wall, well, the main part of the berlin wall has been dismantled, but some sections

of this wall are left left on the ground as a reminder of this totalitarian period, so this stump that was left by volodymyr ilyich, this stump is needed, i think to preserve it in this form, and i really liked this initiative, which at some stage some activists took care of, at some stage, supposedly topin , er, a bunch of kopinchuk art center, er, to use this penyok as a temporary, so to speak places for various installations, in fact, it’s actually a very interesting experience, for example, on rafalgal square in london around nelson’s column, there are four pedestals on three of them are the starting horses of various dignitaries, and one is empty, at one time they simply did not think of who to put the fourth one there and they would from time to time they just fill this uh space, the place is never empty, as they say, with some kind of art

installations, this is usually done by the national gallery, which is also located on this square that is, in other words, maybe it’s about the last one, it’s not about permanence, to put someone conventionally speaking, in the end, to remind that there was a cemetery at first, to say yes, during the world war, there was a gallows, so that’s not a very good place. you said that yanukovych then became a catalyst, now that we already have there are 10 months of full-scale war, how will it change and accelerate colonization or not? it has given a certain behavioral stereotype to the people, that is, if in 2015 , in the 14th, 15th, the offensive of national memory took the lead in ordering these processes, especially when it was no longer about the dismantling of monuments to a greater extent. yes, about cleaning

. let's say from communist propaganda, e.e. ukrainian toponymy, the name of the streets of cities. now, in principle, you do n't even need to be particularly involved in these processes, they went spontaneously, roughly like in pope lenin on december 8, 2013, this is not a spontaneous initiative and, in principle, it follows the models of decommunization of 2014-15, 16 years, even without additional legislative support, simply using the law on proper names and the law on local self-government , the local authorities have the powers, and the people have the appropriate mood, the ukrainian historians and local historians have the appropriate competences, the whole process is spontaneous, not regulated, but in the right direction, but not as quickly as we would like, because the powers are but again, they must be forced to apply and implement them,

because there are many cities, in particular, today we talked about sums where the soviet symbolism in the center lives and heals, how to force the authorities to remove and cause the mayor's police or whatever, and who are still able to put pressure on the deputies of local councils through a personal meeting with local leaders and village mayors. that is, it is a process of internal social communication, first of all. thank you very much for participating in the broadcast , oleksandr, for an interesting story the historian oleksandr zinchenko was with us, and we will add ilya ne shkadovsky in the next hour, 10:00, news on time, anzhelika, the season is already with us, anzhelika , thank you for the words