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juniorurovision.tv and vote for ukraine. you can do this twice from december 9 and during the final on december 11. let's properly support our indomitable zlata. the marathon continues in the studio and works for you. good night to everyone who has not joined and joins our pleasant company with you is a guest. dmytro vasiliev, mr. vasiliev's political scientist. good night . the head of the office of the president of ukraine,

andriy yermak, appealed to ukraine. he addressed american politicians and lawyers during the discussion about criminal prosecution for russian crimes, and representatives of the us state department, senators and human rights defenders from international organizations took part in the discussion. yarmak believes that it is necessary to punish not only those who directly oppress on the hook, and those who give criminal orders, who even had the idea to unleash a cruel and unjustified war, a special tribunal will judge the highest political the leadership of russia must bring to justice all those who committed war crimes , but even this is not enough, those in whose heads the hell of aggression ripened, who gave the order to start this criminal war and who organized terror, must also be punished. this is what justice is. this is why ukraine appeals to you and the united states of america to support our efforts to create a special tribunal on the crime of russian aggression

for the aggressor , they do not know international conventions, nor even the customs of war they are good at fighting, they know how to sow bloody terror and it must be stopped once and for all in the name of all innocent ukrainians killed and in the name of global security in the world, all these crimes have several culprits on the one hand - it is directly the executor of the russian soldier who came to ukrainian land to kill, and on the other hand, those people who committed the key primary crime, the crime of aggression, as in russia, and the possibility of such a tribunal , because they are talking about it. so, how many months have passed since the crimes in buch were exposed 9 and while nothing is moving, you know before nurburg took place, events took place in the year 42, and in fact, in the year 42, they just began to create the prerequisites and legal possibilities for nurburg to take place after the end of the second world war

, so when we compare 42 - 45 years, yes. that is, it is three years or even more ago, er, 9 months is still not so, even less than 9 months is not so much, and in fact, now somewhere and about the fact that there really is no legal mechanism that would be based on that construction e-e world and order and world the right of international law is to punish the guilty precisely those who have in the heads, as mr. andriy yarmak says, the entire organization has matured in order to punish them in order to bring to justice the military and political leadership of the russian federation, that is why this terminal is needed that is why he deals with it so carefully, so that it is built on a fundamental basis and that, after all, after the end of the war, after the victory of ukraine , these criminals and war and international criminals

can be brought to justice and that these answers and this responsibility won specific sentences for these people. you said about the 42nd year, it is necessary to clarify what happened in the 42nd year, eh, from this we measure the time until nuremberg, well, in fact , eh, at that time, in fact, at that time ah, the international community ah began to prepare legal documents, which later became the basis for the creation of this great process. well, what happened at nuremberg, that is, it was the legal basis, and the international community worked on this, precisely on such an international eh the fundamental legal basis works today already the international community today because they understand that what is happening today what russia is doing is a huge international crime against humanity and against international law, including so that no hot heads of the future would want to do the same thing they

are doing now putin and the military-political leadership of russia, that is why it is necessary to create this special specialized international terminal in order to bring them to justice . international law considered this as the foundation of a safe future, assuming that everyone agrees to adhere to it. i think there is no need to tell anyone what happened, we can now perfectly see, in your opinion, what mistakes were made during these processes of forming these tribunals on the basis of a unified and not just a unified one, i understand discussions are currently underway to ensure that different countries have the same standards, which should not be allowed to be effective, because ot, for example, spoke with mark fagin in our country there is an interview with them on the youtube channel. and he said that he does not believe that this system can be effective. you know, i will agree more with mark here

. in our eyes, which we are talking about , this is the international tribunal, a special tribunal , and it will be effective. but it will be, well, roughly speaking, it will not be a one-time tribunal specifically for this case of a legal case, but it can be called that because it must be, well, certain fundamental things for international law that are constantly being understood, constantly being agreed upon, constantly being revised in view of the challenges that exist in the modern world, because, look , after the 14th year, if there was no permissiveness in the economy, because i remember you see, our german partners talked about the fact that we are building nord stream-2 outside of politics, because it is a purely economic project, angela merkel said so, there are many ministers who contributed to the construction of this nord stream, but today the current military more precisely, the political leadership of germany says that, after all, they made a huge

mistake, yes, and it was really a political project, and they are only now understanding it, but it is necessary to create the prerequisites, including international law, when there are potential challenges that are already visible. they are starting to say that they immediately found a certain value and the international community reacted to it instantly, but after the 14th year the international community did not particularly react and said well, forget about crimea, let's go to minsk, one minus two, the same steinmeier yes who today also revised his vision of what is happening and fundamentally condemns the actions of the russian federation of putin , in particular, that is why the international community needs to learn from this, but you know that man is not perfect, and since man creates society, many people create society that society is not ideal and we will constantly try to develop, but we will never reach the ideal, so i agree with mark that

no matter how much we create, we will not create an effective the international system of international law is still the same , it will be difficult with time. that is why this international tribunal, which we are talking about now , will be extremely effective precisely for our case, but it is not excluded that after certain times, after certain years, the international community of the world and our planet, our the descendants will also have to think about new challenges and what to do with him... viktor shenderovych was also on our broadcast. he said that in his opinion people in kremlips are very worried about these processes, they are crushing them. let's say this about the creation of these mechanisms that potentially make it possible to bring putin and the yev gang to justice is difficult to suspect of respect for international law, considering that in just nine months they actually broke the entire military order that existed in the world after the second world war. well, from this point of view point of view that on the one hand he clearly despises international law because he violated a lot of what he himself undertook to do , that is, from this point of view he should not worry about

the fact that some mechanism that was created through international law will make him answer for his crimes, but on the other hand, there is also the opinion that this annoys putin and his entourage. what do you think? well , you know, two, two components. i saw this answer to your questions. well, the first one is not 9 months, much more because russia had previously made a decision that russian laws stand in line with popular law, that is, they disdained international law by the decision of the state duma of russia, which was signed by putin as president, made a decision that was approved, or rather, the decision was made by the state well, because putin told the state to the state duma to comply. this is exactly why they have been disrespecting international law for much longer than nine months. this is the second time. well, listen, no matter what putin thinks, whether the city's political leadership of russia is there, but they would be, and now they are reminding those people who say that they have not read the criminal law, but if a person has not read

the criminal law and does not know the law, then ignorance of the law does not exempt from responsibility e.e. it is the same with the military and political leadership of russia that they despise international law and sometimes they don't even think about its implementation, so you don't know that they don't have to answer, they will answer to international law, to international laws and to the people of ukraine, including the international community, that's why it's a regularity the life that the german military and political leadership once got, the russian question will get it in the same way. to rest on an even larger scale in ukraine in the spring, yes, the american publication is fine, we object to the statement of russian politicians about the

negotiations , the secretary general of nato commented. therefore, the task of nato is to prevent the freezing of the war, the guarantee for that is the military support of kyiv to the countries of the alliance and their partners, what we see now is what russia is trying to freeze the war, so to speak, at least for a short period of time so that they can regroup and recover and then try to carry out an even bigger next spring, therefore, our obligation to support ukraine in its self-defense, nato allies and partners provide tangible support for this opinion on what factors today depends on whether russia will be able to implement this plan that he is talking about. well, first of all, the gesture of the international community and president biden is talking about that is nothing about ukraine without ukraine. that is, this is the principled position proposed by president

zelenskyi to our international partners, our international partners have finally heard this position. secondly, president zelenskyi proposed a ten-point peace formula where he very clearly said what needs to be done in order to enter into negotiations and this peace has come. but russia must withdraw completely to the border in 1991. abroad, more precisely, ukraine in 1991. russia must pay reparations. russia must put before by law, we just talked about it in front of the international tribunal and the court. no, and accordingly all the other points. and i also liked what arhamia suggested that victory will also be possible when russia from vinnytsia from nuclear weapons, and this is very correct because you remember the vindeans said that if it weren't for nuclear weapons, they would have pulled us to pieces. well, we mean russia, and he is absolutely right, because russia has a problem only because it has these nuclear weapons, but take them away , you know, everyone is talking about it, where is the nuclearization of russia

but how is the mechanism? i think that it will be. i see two dimensions. the first dimension is, after all, russia already has nine packages of sanctions. yes, i think that there will be even more in the future. i think that sanctions will also be against nuclear energy. of the atomic industry of the russian federation, the energy atom, and in the end there will be so many sanctions that we will have to somehow get rid of them and what will happen is this international tribunal and the guilty representatives before the law and will be tied and will serve punishments and will take place reparations in ukraine it is possible that russia will also face this when the sanctions will be lifted exclusively thanks to the denuclearization of russia, that is, roughly speaking, nuclear weapons in exchange for sanctions. and this is one of the mechanisms that is quite possible, and today there is a

lot of talk about the fact that the organization of poor nations does not fulfill its tasks and is not relevant at the time, just as after the second world war the league of nations lost its relevance and then the organization of the united nations, the united nations, was created in the same way, and now i am talking about the fact that he, well, we ourselves see it i worked at the un for 5 years and i understand that this is really an organization that is very archaic. it should either be fundamentally reformed. although i do not believe in it, or indeed, a new organization should be created on some of its foundations, and this new organization may just be key . organizations for the denuclearization of the whole world and this denuclearization should begin with the russian federation sanctions sanctions sanctions iran has been living under the us for more than 40 years. similarly, north korea iran is developing its nuclear program, including according to intelligence data and in exchange for missiles and shahids for russia, which it then launches over ukraine, the dprk er-er there very often tests a missile almost every day, they

fly into the sea, fly over japan very far, long-range they are also under sanctions and nothing prevents them and no one you can't take away nuclear weapons from them like that but i just wanted to say that the second option for how russia will get rid of nuclear weapons is china and why china because the whole world is afraid that russia will break up into different pieces well and actually huge eyes the pieces will have some kind of nuclear weapons, and nuclear weapons will get to the tarots, and in order for this process to be somehow coordinated and, er, bought. but i’m leaving out what, er, what president biden and the president of russia, the american and chinese leaders could talk about could talk, including, about china taking over the nuclear weapons of the russian federation in the event of some irreversible process of the disintegration of the russian federation, and we understand that china also has a certain influence on

north korea, and we understand what is the whole world in including the united states of america, have an influence on the processes taking place in iran, and no one is interested in the early appearance of nuclear weapons , including china. yes, the chinese are also interested. with the financial crisis that arose today is, and secondly , to develop further because, well, a huge number of people, more than a billion, need to be fed somehow. and this is the economy. yes, and i think that china and the united states of america will be interested in that and other nuclear states will be interested in getting rid of nuclear weapons because those types of conventional weapons, the latest weapons, including the space er military forces, they will allow to do the a-and perform the tasks performed by nuclear weapons and the whole world well, this is a nuclear bomb unity, yes, these are the five countries that have nuclear weapons, except for russia, unfortunately now, yes, they all proceed from the fact that no one can see a nuclear war, and i think that probably

at this stage, all these countries will be interested in nuclear war weapons did not exist in this country planet, since we have enough time later, i think we can philosophize a little and allow ourselves. i just think about it myself. how did it happen that in 2022, in fact, the main diplomatic argument remains nuclear weapons , but we talked about international law for a very long time, created organizations that were supposed to to prevent many things that eventually happened in 2022 , it is obvious that the main diplomatic argument in the world now is nuclear weapons, so you know, i don’t know us conclusion, what is modern russia? modern russia is a country that lives in the virtual world of the 19th and 20th centuries, that is, they all live in the past. that is, we talked about our grandfathers. we think that we are the winners .

the glory of russia, including those victories that they remember and talk about there. at the last meeting, putin told something about pe veliky , and about azov. that is, this society and the leaders of this country are stuck in the past. and you know this, like a clock . on time an arrow into the future, and when it goes back, it is a different process. so, when it goes to the future, it is evolution. and when it goes back, it is a devolution, and in this devolution , they reached well, indeed, such terrible ones, and, well , first of all, that war that is impossible in our century as we thought and it became possible with 100 intensity that it is now being conducted here on the territory of ukraine and the second well, indeed, nuclear blackmail has become the key stick with which russia terrorizes the whole world. therefore, in my opinion, this is exactly what those people who rule by russia, which is through propaganda

influenced the urban population, which also went down the path of devaluation in the previous century . they live by those concepts, concepts when nuclear weapons could be put on the negotiating table and they could be waved around. no one except russia is doing this. that iran, but iran also lives. well, they want to develop this program in order to do this. and by the way, north korea is also the same, but iran is an empire that wants to build the same thing that was once, and it does not look at future with some kind of future, well, modern ideas about life on the planet, for sure even korea lives with those ideas that were planted by the soviet union , because korea was partially created by the soviet union, well, exactly the same as the dpr of the lpr, yes. it was the same project, and then it became this north korea, which also gave nuclear, gave nuclear weapons

, so i answer this question of yours and mine in the same way, and here's another interesting thing. if we're already philosophizing, at the end of the year, various publications give out a lot of titles. american political publications called zelensky the most influential person of the year, and then the loser of the year, and even a nuclear missile helped him. in yesterday's speech, putin spoke about a nuclear razor . for some reason, i don't know why, it's probably this dangerous razor, it's some kind of criminal world, and the razor was brandishing it what's wrong with threatening someone because a razor can be hidden and this is a weapon, so listen, he thinks about me criminal thoughts criminal vocabulary, well , listen, he has an entrance, the best second friend now here it is from e the collector of lands, he wanted to be the new peter the first until the loser of the year, do you think he now has some painful feelings from this or does he not care, he sits

facing everyone. he already said yesterday that he will take revenge on ukraine or there, the ukrainians bombed the crimean bridge, and he is taking revenge on ukraine for the fact that ukraine does not obey him here, that he was called different names here, and so on. that is, this is what milka's revenge is, well, you know that, and that's why he's coming out again of these some concepts that do not correspond to the level of the leader of the state, the leader of the country, which claims some future greatness, and when i look at him and at russia in general, i remember the russian folk tale about the aging movement, do you remember where the old woman wanted something there, then with a broken trough, that's how it was, and it seems to me that today russia has come to the finalization of this very russian fairy tale.

to the perspective of freezing the conflict, what did staltenberg say that russia is achieving this? in your opinion, what should be done both to ukraine and to our western partners in order to prevent russia from freezing this conflict? well, first of all, both biden and emmanuel macron spoke about the fact that we should consult with ukraine, on what grounds will ukraine consider possible some negotiations, yes, some agreements , the position of president zelenskyi is very clear, the 10- point peace formula and it stipulates that russia must leave if russia does not want to fight. it has just leave our border and it will be accomplished by fulfilling the task of this formula of the peace formula of president zelenskyi, and russia obviously does not want to go . strike forces in order to train these strike forces in order to

try some other technique there, buy some missiles somewhere, build some there and so on. well, in order to continue, he and the whole world understand it exactly the same like ukraine now, that's why the whole world says that no , russia should not be given such an opportunity, because it will not fulfill the task of the world to be more secure and more regulated, so it is impossible to depart from this narrative of this position in order to prevent freezing. i understand correctly, the whole world understood that this work cannot be done because russia will use the time to prepare for an even more terrible war . bringing them to their territory according to the maps of the 91st year and see as an interpretation the 14th year 91st year 14th 91st crimea the 91st year and the 91st year with the crimea e see e i think it is necessary to always refer to the formula there are 10 points in president zelenskyi's peace plan, these 10 points include the borders of 1991, russia is

out, and they provide for reparations, they provide for the prosecution of all criminals and from the military-political leadership and soldiers and all propagandists and those engineers who pointed these missiles at the territory of ukraine, our infrastructure, and the other points are 10 points, so, that's why , listen, if russia wants to fulfill these 10 points, then go ahead, and i think that the whole world now understands that these 10 points and it is necessary to implement it, it is not necessary to focus on some kind of steinmar formula, which did not lead to anything. more precisely, it led to the steinmeier formula in 2014 , which led to the fact that in the 22nd year, the most terrible war broke out on our continent , in general, in the world, which, well, put the world in general. -and on the brink of the possibility of using nuclear weapons at all, that's why everyone now understands that in

order to prevent such a thing from happening in the future, it is necessary to take the formula of president zelensky as a model for steinmeier's formula, so i think that everyone will start to repulse and understand this that it is in this way that we will be able to have a long and lasting peace. well, russia is calling a meeting without the un for tomorrow because of western arms supplies to ukraine . are hoping well, i think that they are hoping to give at least something to the russian propaganda, so that the russian propaganda will persuade at least something sensible, because the russian propaganda is already lying on two legs, and they already have various limbs broken there, and they they are somehow discriminated against and they have very few arguments to tell something to their population, which cannot be called a people, and

to show that they are worried, they just think about peace so that there is no escalation, and weapons are escalation. well, that's exactly what they want to show that it is in the council, we in the un security council will take care of this very issue, but then i think that the un security council will tell them what he thinks about it, and then they will blame the entire international community, starting from of the united states of america that they are not going to accept russia's proposal for peace, but russia's proposal for peace well, we know what kind of measure it is at the time and they want it in russian, yes, as they say to the russians, and russian peace is definitely not possible for us here, and they specifically the proposition cannot even be formed well, that is, this is also done with the assumption that he will offer us and then we will talk about something. that is, i did not hear that they came out with a clear, verifiable position, they have rules that vary a lot depending on the speaker to the speaker, by the way, too i

think there is a reason to consider this as an element of attempts to freeze this war, well, that is, pressing in on international sites, this is part of their ideas that the west supplies weapons, throws firewood there and so on, you know on the one hand, yes and on the other hand, you and i talked about the fact that the toolkit of the organization for the execution of the modern organization is not perfect and it is not so, you know, a little out of date, because the un security council would not accept it, well, in fact it will not be of a recommendatory nature, that is, it will not be of the nature of having a specific, as it were, law that must be obeyed by everyone, so russia cannot even count on that, so i think that what it is now is being organized exclusively for propaganda purposes in order to tell the population of russia well, who else can they somehow convince in different parts of the world, where they try to talk about it, these are the arab countries, this is the

country that it considers its partners. well, there really are a lot of people living there, but those countries do not affect the world position on the world order daytime and what other elements can be included in this plan , perhaps already obviously included from ironing out the need to freeze the conflict in ukraine. i mean from the russian side, that is, what else do we see or can see in the future? well, i think that they will somehow try to damage the grain corridor that was proposed by president zelenskyi and which is my action and the united nations and er turkey led by president cardigan, and i think that here they can somehow get on everyone's nerves , they can try to escalate even more a- and the conflict, they can try to throw another bomb there on the territory of nato, for example, or poland or lithuania, and in order to invite nato to enter this war and then immediately offer peace talks, what is my guess that these

the missiles were launched on the territory of poland precisely so that poland would first use the fourth article of the nato charter, then russia responded with the fifth article, and then russia said we surrender, let's negotiate and she would present these negotiations as her measure peace initiatives to by the way, it could freeze the conflict because ukraine would be forced in this situation to have a more scaled-up conflict and you are already at the decision of the world community , that's why i think that russia will try to do exactly that, but this story, for example, from by a special operation of the german police that detained a network of people who were planning a coup d'état in germany, and according to the german police, this was their plan, that is, they planned to physically displace the government and take its place; they even had, according to the german police, some images of the german state that they wanted to build instead